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Do you think the war on terror is a war on Islam as a whole, similar to the crusades?

No, the crusades were about religion, the War on Terror is about several things. Chiefly overcompensating for a small penis on the part of our dear leader.

No, but than neither were the crusades, they were also declared against christian heretics, people who pissed of the pope, or when the papacy wanted to make a quick buck.;)

Do you think the war on terror is a war on Islam as a whole, similar to the crusades?

No, but than neither were the crusades, they were also declared against christian heretics, people who pissed of the pope, or when the papacy wanted to make a quick buck.;)

Right, and the crusaders had actual armor, which from what I hear, not all our guys do.

And not everything is a nefarious plot against Islam, O newly-converted one.

No. The war on terror is one that is waged by the US and the US alone, not all of Christendom(hell the pope is against Iraq, IIRC). Even in America, land of the paranoid muslims are not being severely persecuted on a large scale.

If anyone is interested, there is a related thread on Islam and the like.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12014273&posted=1#post12014273

Yeah, I'm gonna go shoot all my Muslim friends and acquaintances because all though they're all really nice guys, chances are they are definatly trying to kill me and all my non-Muslim friends. :rolleyes:

It's not. But it should be. :mp5:

I do believe it is. If it was a war on terror then why aren't we fighting terrorist of in other regions, of other religions, cultures and backgrounds?

I do believe it is. If it was a war on terror then why aren't we fighting terrorist of in other regions, of other religions, cultures and backgrounds?

Maybe it's just a war on Islamic terrorists. Not on Islam, not on terrorism in general, but on those who combine the two.

I do believe it is. If it was a war on terror then why aren't we fighting terrorist of in other regions, of other religions, cultures and backgrounds?

No offence, no offence at all. But that is a pretty lame argument.

it's more like a war on tourism.

Maybe it's just a war on Islamic terrorists. Not on Islam, not on terrorism in general, but on those who combine the two.

ok say we had a war on Israelis that were violent, would it then not be a war on Israelis?

ok say we had a war on Israelis that were violent, would it then not be a war on Israelis?

No, it would be a war on violent Israelis. Non-violent ones would not be the enemy. Of course we won't have a war on any Israelis. They're a good ally and trading partner.

It's not. But it should be. :mp5:

The gun smiley really adds to the strength of your argument, pom-pom boy.

To various parties who prefer to engage in superficial bigotries rather than actually try to understand complex issues, yes, it is.

To people who know what terrorism is and how it works, no, it is not.

Unfortunately, the first group are in charge at the moment.

The American government and military use the term 'War on Terror' because it is a good blanket term to cover their true intentions. They want the public to believe that they are out fighting the bad guy, but really, it's all about profit. War for the person who isn't being attacked is profitable as long as they can manufacture and distribute weapons, ammunition and other goods.

There is more to the war than meets the eye...

No.

War on terror = PNAC.

The American government and military use the term 'War on Terror' because it is a good blanket term to cover their true intentions. They want the public to believe that they are out fighting the bad guy, but really, it's all about profit. War for the person who isn't being attacked is profitable as long as they can manufacture and distribute weapons, ammunition and other goods.

There is more to the war than meets the eye...

Or maybe, just maybe, Bush is into this whole 'War on Terror' thing because, rightly or wrongly, he believes it's the right thing to do?

By all means, argue the morality of the WOT, argue the wisdom of the WOT, you can even argue about the colour of the soldiers boots, if you like. But, FFS, give up with this evil facist/capitalist/zionist/space alien conspiracy BS. I am so bored of it. :headbang:

It's a War on this "Islamo-fascism" nonsense. Which loosely translates to "War on Middle Eastern people who won't fellate Dear Leader and hand over their oil"

The War on Terror is against those Muslim people who have perverted Islam to justify their own agendas just as we have sometimes perverted the pursuit(and sometimes imposition) of freedom to justify our own.

I do believe it is. If it was a war on terror then why aren't we fighting terrorist of in other regions, of other religions, cultures and backgrounds?

Might be because muslims make up the large majority of terrorists.

Might be because muslims make up the large majority of terrorists.

So it's OK to ignore all the other terrorists, because they're in the minority?

War on Terror is just a War for Oil im(nsm)ho.
Too bad for muslims, they happen to live mostly on big oilfields. It's like sitting on a bullseye mark for US cruise missiles.

And to anyone who's bragging on the lines of "smite the muslims, God told Our President to wage War in His Name" and similar, I'll respect you a lot more if you are actually doing the dirty job in Iraq or Afghanistan as a brave soldier, instead of writing thread posts from the comfortable security of your own room.;)

So it's OK to ignore all the other terrorists, because they're in the minority?

It's a tiny minority. Very tiny.

It's a tiny minority. Very tiny.

Since when is the IRA, the Tamil Tigers and the hundreds of other terrorist groups around the world count as a 'Tiny minority'? It would be more apt to say that the Islamic terrorists groups are just a very noisy minority.

It's a tiny minority. Very tiny.

Even if that was true, which I doubt it is, then my question still stands, why ignore them?

Since when is the IRA, the Tamil Tigers and the hundreds of other terrorist groups around the world count as a 'Tiny minority'? It would be more apt to say that the Islamic terrorists groups are just a very noisy minority.

IRA: Disarmed
Tamil Tigers: Arguably legitimate. I'm not entirely against them.

I still say that there are more muslim terrorist groups that non-muslim.

IRA: Disarmed
Tamil Tigers: Arguably legitimate. I'm not entirely against them.

I still say that there are more muslim terrorist groups that non-muslim.

You still haven't explained why it's only the muslim terrorist groups that are the target of the WOT, other than "there's more of them"

You still haven't explained why it's only the muslim terrorist groups that are the target of the WOT, other than "there's more of them"

Because they're the only ones who attack the West for being the West.

IRA: Disarmed
Tamil Tigers: Arguably legitimate. I'm not entirely against them.

I still say that there are more muslim terrorist groups that non-muslim.

If you believe that I've got a bridge to sell to you in New York...

And whether you think the Tigers are justified or not, they are still a major terrorist group.

If you believe that I've got a bridge to sell to you in New York...

Why shouldn't I? Everyone else does. Except you.

Because they're the only ones who attack the West for being the West.

So its not a War on Terror, but a War on whoever attacks us the most noisily?

I dunno about you guys, but I'm about to declare a War on HIGH PRICES...

Do you think the war on terror is a war on Islam as a whole, similar to the crusades?

the crusades were religious conflicts. the war on terror is a fight against an idea... strange as it sounds.

by the way, when bush said "we're going to go after these people and conduct a crusade...", 5 out of 4 muslims yelled "Theyre coming back!"

in arabic or sanscrit or whatever the hell they talk in.

I would have said that teh war on terror is direted against terror, is not directed against any one religious group. But unfortunately, most terrorists that we hear about nowdays are muslims. So the war on terror is a war against those who are mostly muslims.
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but that's the way I see the situation.

Since when is the IRA, the Tamil Tigers and the hundreds of other terrorist groups around the world count as a 'Tiny minority'? It would be more apt to say that the Islamic terrorists groups are just a very noisy minority.

Well consdiering that the IRA is currently in the process of dismantling itself and peace is being achieved in NI finally I don't think declaring war on them now would be a good idea.

Religious terrorism is a form of religious violence. As with other forms of terrorism, there is no real consensus as to its definition. Groups are frequently classified as practitioners of religious terrorism for any one of the following reasons:

* The group itself is defined by religion rather than by other factors (such as ideology or ethnicity).
* Religion plays some part in defining or determining the objectives or methods of the group.
* The ultimate objective of the group is religiously defined.

Controversy concerning classification is often found because:

* Religion and ethnicity frequently coincide. Ethnic conflict may thus appear as religious, or religious conflict may appear as ethnic.
* Religious groups, like other groups, frequently pursue political goals. In such cases it is often not clear which is uppermost, the political goal or the religious motivation.

Groups which have used principal religious motives for their terrorist acts and were deemed as such by supranational organizations and governments are listed here in alphabetical order by religion.

[edit] Christian

* Army of God
* Christian Gallery[2]
* Freedomites (1902-present) Active in Canada, notable for their longevity
* God's Army A terrorist group in Myanmar.
* Lord's Resistance Army Christian/Pagan/Muslim terrorist group that operates in northern Uganda, it seeks to overthrow the Ugandan government and create a country based on the ten commandments.
* Nagaland Rebels (1947-present) Active in predominantly Christian state in Hindu majority India. Involved in several bombings in 2004. Goal: Independence from India after annexing parts of neighboring Indian states and Burma if it has Christian majority.
* National Liberation Front of Tripura (1989-present) A group that seeks the independence of Tripura from India to create a Christian Tripura.
* KKK is a fraternal organizations in the United States that have advocated white supremacy, anti-Semitism, racism, anti-Catholicism, homophobia, and nativism.

[edit] Islamist

* Abu Sayyaf (1991-present; Islamist separatists; the Philippines)
o Based in the southern islands of Jolo, Basilan, and Mindanao.
o Branched off of the Moro National Liberation Front.
o Allegedly partnered with Jemaah Islamiyah and Al-Qaeda.
* Aden-Abyan Islamic Army (Yemen)
* Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Late 1970s-present; Islamists; Egypt)
o Seeks to establish Islamist state in Egypt. Usually targets secular establishments, government buildings, police, the military, minorities, tourists, and “morally offensive” buildings.
* Armed Islamic Group (1992-present; Islamists; Algeria)
o Seeks to establish Islamist state in Algeria. Began operations in 1992 after the Algerian government ignored election results that gave victory to Islamist political parties.
* Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
* Ansar al-Islam (December 2001-present; Islamists; Iraq)
o In Arabic, "Supporters of Islam."
o Also known as "Partisans of Islam or Helpers of Islam."
* Al-Qaeda (1988-present; Islamists; Afghanistan, Pakistan, and worldwide)
o In Arabic, "the foundation" or "the base."
o Also known as Qa‘idat al-Jihad, Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places, World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, Islamic Salvation Foundation, and the Osama bin Laden Network.
o Related: Alneda (former web site), As-Sahab (affiliated public relations organization),
o Cells: Buffalo six, Hamburg cell,
* Asbat al-Ansar (early 1990s-present; Lebanese Sunni Islamists; southern Lebanon)
o In Arabic, "the League of the Followers."
o Acronym for "Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya," or Islamic Resistance Movement.
* Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad/Al-Qaeda in Iraq - Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's Sunni network, operating in Iraq
o on U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations
* Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement - al-Qaeda linked separatist group in China's Xinjiang Autonomous Region aiming to establish an Islamic state. Banned by China, along with related groups Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organisation, World Uighur Youth Congress and East Turkistan Information Center[3]
* Egyptian Islamic Jihad - Egypt (active since the late 1970s)
* Hamas - West Bank, Gaza Strip. Listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the European Union, Israel, and the United States
* Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM) - Pakistan and Kashmir
* Hezbollah - Lebanon; Listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the Netherlands, Israel, and the United States
* Hizbul Mujahideen - Pakistan and Kashmir
* Hofstad Network - Netherlands
* Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain - Defunct
* Islamic Movement of Central Asia - Central Asia
* Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan - Uzbekistan
* Jaish-e-Mohammed - Pakistan
* Jaish Ansar al-Sunna - Iraq
* Jemaah Islamiyah - Southeast Asia
* Jihad Rite - Australia (linked with Al Qaeda. Founded in 2001)
* Lashkar-e-Jhangvi - Pakistan
* Lashkar-e-Toiba - Pakistan
* Maktab al-Khadamat - Afghanistan - Defunct
* Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group - Morocco and Spain
* Moro Islamic Liberation Front - (Islamic separatists; the Philippines)
* Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip
* People Against Gangsterism and Drugs - South Africa
* Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat - Algeria
* Serkan and Mustafa - Turkey
* Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan - Pakistan
* Takfir wal-Hijra - Egypt/Sudan/Algeria
* Kurdish-Hizbullah - Turkey

[edit] Islamist Fronts

* Al-Barakaat (Al-Qaida front)
* Al-Wafa Humanitarian Organization (Al-Qaida front)
* Benevolence International Foundation (Al-Qaida front)
* Global Relief Foundation (Al-Qaida front)
* Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (Hamas)
* Konsojaya Trading Company (Jemaah Islamiyah front)

[edit] Sikh

* Babbar Khalsa
* Bhinderanwala Tiger Force of Khalistan
* International Sikh Youth Federation [9]
* Dashmesh Regiment
* Khalistan Commando Force
* Khalistan Liberation Force
* Khalistan Liberation Front
* Khalistan National Army
* Khalistan Zindabad Force [10]
* Saheed Khalsa Force

All of these groups demand a Khalistan (Land of the Pure) in the Indian state of Punjab and adjoining areas for Sikhs. Most have a variable amount of support from Sikhs abroad and have been in existence since the 1980s. Many have been weakened and have cut down on activities, yet they continue. The militancy in Punjab has claimed approximately 100,000 lives, according to estimates put forward by Amnesty International: this figure involves killings by both Sikh militants and the Indian forces. With the exception of the first two, the other groups have only been proscribed in India.

[edit] Other religious terrorists

* Aum Supreme Truth (Aum Shinrikyo) - Japan (homicidal religious cult)
* Lord's Resistance Army Christian/Pagan/Muslim terrorist group that operates in northern Uganda, it seeks to overthrow the Ugandan government and create a country based on the ten commandments.[11]

Irish Nationalists (Northern Ireland)

* Irish National Liberation Army (1974-1998)
o Splinter group:
+ Irish People's Liberation Organisation (1986-1992, defunct)
* Irish Republican Army (1922-1969)split into- 'Official IRA' and 'Provisional IRA'.
* Official IRA (defunct)
* Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) (1969–2002)[4]
o Supporters of the PIRA split from 'Official' Sinn Féin to form Provisional Sinn Féin. Provisional Sinn Féin was later known simply as Sinn Féin (while 'Official' Sinn Féin eventually became the Workers' Party).
o Under ceasefire since the Good Friday Agreement of 1998
o Ended armed campaign in September 2005.
o Splinter groups:
+ Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA) (1986-present)
# Also known as the "Continuity Army Council" and "Óglaigh na hÉireann" (Gaelic for 'Volunteers of Ireland')
+ Real Irish Republican Army (RIRA) (1997-present)*
# Also known as the True IRA and Óglaigh na hÉireann (Gaelic for Volunteers of Ireland).
# Does not recognize Good Friday Agreement.

[edit] Ulster Loyalists (Northern Ireland)

* Ulster Volunteer Force (original UVF 1912-1921, current UVF has existed since 1966)
o Very closely linked with the Red Hand Commandos (1972-present).
o Splinter group: Loyalist Volunteer Force
* Ulster Defence Association (1971-present)
o Also called the "Ulster Freedom Fighters," or UFF.
o On February 22, 2003, announced a "complete and utter cessation" of all acts of violence for one year. It said it will review its ceasefire every three months, although in February 2006, the Independent Monitoring Commission reported that the UDA continued its paramilitary activities, as well as involvement in organized crime, drug trafficking, counterfeiting, extortion, money laundering and robbery
o Splinter group: Red Hand Defenders
* Red Hand Commandos {created in 1972) allied with the UVF
* Red Hand Defenders (1998-present) an affiliate organization with both the UDA and LVF who are allies. Opposes ceasefire.
* Loyalist Volunteer Force (1996-2005)
* Ulster Freedom Fighters (created in 1972) an affiliate of the UDA
* Ulster Resistance 1986-1990 Created by the Democratic Unionist Party, now defunct
* Red Branch Knights (1992)
* Orange Volunteers (1998-present)


[edit] India

* Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (Amanullah Khan) — (Note: The JKLF faction headed by Yasin Malik has renounced all violence since 1995)[citation needed]
* (SIMI) — Banned by Indian Government in 2002. Recently, it has been accused of helping Pakistani based terrorists organization organize bomb blasts in Mumbai, India.[citation needed]
* ULFA[United Liberation Front of Asom] has been active in separitist movement in Assam since the last part of the 70's of the last century. They want an independent Assam as they feel the state has been 'neglected' in all fronts by the Indian government.

[edit] Israeli

[edit] Arab

Main article: Palestinian political violence
Main article: :Category:Palestinian militant groups

* Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
* Baloch Mujahideen [citation needed]
* Black Hand (Palestine)
* Black September (group)
* Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
* Fatah Hawks
* Force 17
* Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
* Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)
* Popular Resistance Committees
* Palestinian Islamic Jihad Movement
* Palestine Liberation Front
* Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) (1964-present) - On December 14, 1988, the PLO officially renounced the use of terrorist tactics to convince Israel to cede territory. In 1993 it became the PA (Palestinian Authority). Although it claims it does not support terrorism, documents show that the PA/PLO has actively supported and sponsored various terrorist groups in Israel.[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25] According to the NCIS, the PLO is "the richest of all terrorist organizations." (1993)[26]
* The Holy Jihad Brigade
* Tanzim

[edit] Somalia

* Oromo Liberation Front A nationalistic, terrorist organization founded in 1973. It operated from Somalia and northern Kenya for decades before adding Eritrea as its new base to attacking innocent civilians in Ethiopia.

[edit] Tamil Nationalist

* Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE, aka Tamil Tigers)- Sri Lanka. One of the largest groups with an estimated 24,000 Tamil cadres who fight for separation from Sri Lanka. The group has carried out 240+ suicide bombings since the early 80s in the process which they describe as their freedom struggle. Members of the group were convicted for the suicide bomber assassinations of Sri Lankan President Ranasinghe Premadasa (1988-1993) and former Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi [12]. UNHCR has reported that this organisation recruits children by force.[13]
* PLOTE

[edit] Other nationalist terrorists

* an gof - Cornwall - (inactive)
* Abkhaz Separatists - Georgia
* Anuak Terrorist Militants Western Ethiopia and Eastern Sudan.
* East Turkestan Islamic Movement - Central Asia and China
* East Turkistan Liberation Organization (China)
* ETA (Basque Fatherland and Liberty) - Spain and southern France (founded 1959)
* Scottish National Liberation Army (SNLA) - Scotland (defunct)
* Croatian Revolutionary Brotherhood - Yugoslavia (disbanded)
* Front de Libération du Quebec - Canada (founded 1963)
o Cells: Chenier Cell, Liberation Cell,
* Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK/KADEK/KONGRA-GEL) - Turkey
* Los Macheteros - Puerto Rico (founded 1976)
* National Front for the Liberation of Corsica (FLNC) - France
* People's Mujahedin of Iran (MEK/MKO) - Iran
* African National Congress (historical) - South Africa
* Armed Islamic Group (GIA) - France, Algeria
* Algerian National Movement (MNA) - France, Algeria (disbanded)
* National Liberation Front (FLN) - France, Algeria
* Ogaden National Liberation Front
* Oromo Liberation Front - 1973
* Organisation armée secrète (OAS) - France, Algeria (disbanded)
* Olmecs Terrorist Army - Mexico
* VMO (1950-1970 and 1971-1983) - Flanders

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Your c&p skills are leet, to say the least. :rolleyes:

as you can see islamic organisations make up the largest single group of terrorists. Problem with this is that even many arab national groups use the term islamic even though they may not be religious but national terrorists

Your c&p skills are leet, to say the least. :rolleyes:

why thank you.:rolleyes:

I would have supplied a link instead but we all know how well people read those.

P.S. what the hell is leet??

why thank you.:rolleyes:

I would have supplied a link instead but we all know how well people read those.

P.S. what the hell is leet??

wow... you have a lot of acrospeek to catch up on.

oh, and its either QUOTE: Snip or QUOTE: www.Snip.com/wtf? so you make a valid point there because i hardly read links anyway.

why thank you.:rolleyes:

I would have supplied a link instead but we all know how well people read those.

P.S. what the hell is leet??

Eh, no. People do tend to read links. Most people anyway. They're far more likely to read links than two ridiculously long posts with pretty much no content.

Leet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet)

Besides, Crusades shmusades. It's not like muslims didn't attack Europe first, so consider us even.

Eh, no. People do tend to read links. Most people anyway. They're far more likely to read links than two ridiculously long posts with pretty much no content.

Leet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet)

(thanks for the link;) )

tough about the long post. But it is relevant to the conversation. You don't think in a conversation about war on terrorism and whether its aimed at islam, that the current terrorist groups should be listed?

and no people don't read links well. They'll read a topic until they find a point that reflects their view and post that extract, without reading the entire text.

for people that find the posts too long here is a link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_groups

enjoy.

wow... you have a lot of acrospeek to catch up on.

oh, and its either QUOTE: Snip or QUOTE: www.Snip.com/wtf? so you make a valid point there because i hardly read links anyway.

damn you read the LINKS!!!!!

Another reason is because islamic terrorists are the most influential. You have members of terrorist groups in the governments of Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq, formerly in Afghanistan, and Iran probably supports many of these groups. Other terrorist groups are mainly within moderate nations.

(thanks for the link;) )

tough about the long post. But it is relevant to the conversation. You don't think in a conversation about war on terrorism and whether its aimed at islam, that the current terrorist groups should be listed?
Not if you need two very long posts to do it when you could just link to a much more readable version.

and no people don't read links well. They'll read a topic until they find a point that reflects their view and post that extract, without reading the entire text.
Speak for yourself.

for people that find the posts too long here is a link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_groups

enjoy.

Now, how hard was that?

Not if you need two very long posts to do it when you could just link to a much more readable version.

So you read a long link but not a long post? your choice i guess.


Speak for yourself.

well you appear to speak for the entire NS communittee so why not someone else? but i personally read links supplied, that's how i know they are using only small sections of said link to push their point, even when the article/link disagrees with them


Now, how hard was that?
suprisingly easy. Thank you so much for the time an effort you've put into correcting my posting method. your very leet (yay first time i used the pseudospeek)

So it's OK to ignore all the other terrorists, because they're in the minority?

No.

I am guessing....emmmm...maybe....could it be....because they don't attack the US ?

:headbang:

No.

I am guessing....emmmm...maybe....could it be....because they don't attack the US ?

:headbang:

Or major Western interests. Muslims were attacking in other places long before the "War on Terror".

Take India, for example...

Or major Western interests. Muslims were attacking in other places long before the "War on Terror".

Take India, for example...

i think you mean american interests

The War on Terror is against those Muslim people who have perverted Islam to justify their own agendas just as we have sometimes perverted the pursuit(and sometimes imposition) of freedom to justify our own.

The terrorists have not perverted Islam. Mohammed commanded Muslims to kill or convert (or enslavement for Christians and Jews) all non-Muslims.

Do you think the war on terror is a war on Islam as a whole, similar to the crusades?

This is not helping.

Right, and the crusaders had actual armor, which from what I hear, not all our guys do.

And not everything is a nefarious plot against Islam, O newly-converted one.

You sir, win the thread.

And what's with the 'newly-converted one' thing? Is soviestan a recent convert to Islam or something?

And what's with the 'newly-converted one' thing? Is soviestan a recent convert to Islam or something?

Yup.

Look at all the regions in the world dominated by Islam including the Middle East, Indonesia, Albania, North Africa and Chechnya, and note the violence and backwardness that plagues these areas because of the Muslims. Quit blaming America. Americans can help it if the majority of terrorist acts are committed by Muslims. That's not our fault, and we shouldn't excuse that simply because they are Muslims and we don't want to appear to be picking on Muslims. Kill the terrorists no matter who they are.

Do you think the war on terror is a war on Islam as a whole, similar to the crusades?

The Crusades were not wars against Islam in the way many uneducated people aasume. When Islam was founded by Mohammed, he commanded his followers to make war on those who were non-Muslims until the world was conquered for Islam. The Byzantine Empire had once spanned across much of the Middle East, Southern Italy, and Noth Africa, but thanks to the attacking Muslims in their jihads, the mighty Byzantine Empire was reduced down to little old Greece. The emperor Alexius I Comnenus had no choice but to request the help of Pope Urban II. Urban II in his reasons for starting the First Crusade said that if the Byzantine Empire fell, then all of Europe was vulnerable. The lands the Crusaders reclaimed were supposed to be returned to the Byzantines, but the Byzantines failed to come through on their promised military obligations so they forfeited their land. I told you why the Crusades were declared, now you tell me what justification the Muslims had for invading all that land.

The War on Terror is against terrorism, Islamic terrorists, but that doesnt make it a war on all Islamic people, that is just ignorant.

The War on Terror is against terrorism, Islamic terrorists, but that doesnt make it a war on all Islamic people, that is just ignorant.

Hence the name....

Hence the name....

Well, yeah, I was just stating the obvious to any of the idiots that think the rest of the world, or at least the nations involved in it are racist against Muslims.

Yup.

Which is why I have no respect for him or his beliefs. I don't see a true convert, I see "HAY GUYZ IM A MUZLIM!1! STP DISSIN OUR STAIL!!!1!"

It's not. But it should be. :mp5:

Ugh.

Which is why I have no respect for him or his beliefs. I don't see a true convert, I see "HAY GUYZ IM A MUZLIM!1! STP DISSIN OUR STAIL!!!1!"

I've wondered whether or not hes a troll.