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There is no way around it. All organized religions have violent pasts. Everyone is equally to blame.

There is no way around it. All organized religions have violent pasts. Everyone is equally to blame.

Why limit to religion. All organized anything has had a violent past.

It's true. My book club went straight to hell as soon as I tried to organise it.

There is no way around it. All organized religions have violent pasts. Everyone is equally to blame.Can you find me some incidents involving Baha'i?

I was about to mention Buddhism but then realised some monks set themselves on fire and such

life is misleading indeed :(

I tried to organise a charity event once, I don't even want to tell you want happened there.

And why might that be?

Well, quite obviously, it's because:

humans = violent past

Glad that's settled.

Really, everyone tries to blame violence and hate on religion (or organized religion) but there's just as much (if not more) without it and the hate in the religions nearly always have nothing to do with the religions themselves.

Can you find me some incidents involving Baha'i?

June 7, 1983 Famous Baha'i jazzman Dizzy Gilespie greedily devours an Iranian infant on stage in Chicago. It's true. Honest.

Can you find me some incidents involving Baha'i?

I believe the founder of the baha'i religion was involved in some sort of shooting, wich he survived untouched, and contributed it to a miracle.

I was about to mention Buddhism but then realised some monks set themselves on fire and such



Is setting oneself on fire "violence"? So, Jan Palach was being violent? I don't agree.

There is no way around it. All organized religions have violent pasts. Everyone is equally to blame.

Yes, but I'm more worried about religions that are violent NOW.

This is why discordianism=win. It's not organised.

I kicked a baby for Buddha once. It was so-so.

Can you find me some incidents involving Baha'i?

and Jains?

We probably need to distinguish between violence commited by people who happen to be religious and that commited by people INSPIRED by their religion.

I was about to mention Buddhism but then realised some monks set themselves on fire and such

life is misleading indeed :(

that shouldn't count as violence - it was an anti-imperialism protest.

and Jains?

they're sexist, somewhat, (which makes me sad) but other than that they're pretty much perfect.

Candomblé? Santeria? I'm not sure if they'd qualify as "organised", as they're more like families of parallel traditions than religions...but they aren't remotely violent. never heard of a candomble crusade - though the haitian revolution was rather deeply tied up in voodoo, it's a slave revolt, which seems rather less evil than crusades, or witch-burnings...though I suppose I disagree with it as it's violence in general...eh

Humans are by nature violent, and by that its generally the men. Peace has never existed in the whole of human history.

that shouldn't count as violence - it was an anti-imperialism protest.

And why does that mean it doesn't count as violence?

And why might that be?

Well, quite obviously, it's because:

humans = violent past

Glad that's settled.

Really, everyone tries to blame violence and hate on religion (or organized religion) but there's just as much (if not more) without it and the hate in the religions nearly always have nothing to do with the religions themselves.

Rubbish
Glad that is settled

It isn't truth for all religions, budhism or shintoism for example don't have any violent past, if I'm not wrong, and are organised religions.

All organizations have violent pasts. Religion only has a very violent one because it's been around for a long time, and there have been plenty of assholes throughout history who used it to do evil.

If you got rid of organized religion, those people would just latch on to something else and the killing and oppression would continue.

There is no way around it. All organized religions have violent pasts. Everyone is equally to blame.

Nope. That's a problem of abrahamic monotheistic faiths.

Non-Abrahamic polytheistic faiths, though not blameless, certainly don't have the sort of violent past that Abrahamic faiths have.

Fundamentalist extremist Jains do Sallekhana and kill themselves, not others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sallekhana

There is no way around it. All organized religions have violent pasts. Everyone is equally to blame.

A lot of new political philosophies have violent pasts.

Maybe it's the people thing. You know, humans are violent.