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After viewing Time's horrible list, I thought that I could come up with a better one. But rather than create my own filled with mostly Pink Floyd and Green Day and Metallica and so on, I decided to have all of us create one. Everybody suggest one album from the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's (2000's aren't done yet, so let's ignore them for a bit.) Any album is allowed unless it is universally hated.

60's- The Beatles- The Beatles (White Album)
70's- Pink Floyd- Darkside of the Moon
80's- Metallica- Master of Puppets
90's- Alice in Chains- Dirt

Once we get 100 albums, we will almost be guranteed to have a better list then Time's.

Now Post! Albums So Far- 10

The List So Far

60's
The Beatles- The Beatles (White Album)
The Doors- The Doors

70's
Pink Floyd- Darkside of the Moon
Black Sabbath- Paranoid
Led Zeppelin- Led Zeppelin IV
Pink Floyd- Wish You Were Here

80's
Metallica- Master of Puppets
Iron Maiden- The Number of the Beast

90's
Alice in Chains- Dirt
Dream Theater- Scenes From a Memory

I don't think blur are mentioned as often as they should be. But then why should they?

70s- Paranoid, by Black Sabbath
Led Zeppelin IV, by Led Zeppelin

80s-The Number of the Beast, by Iron Maiden

60s
The Doors - The Doors
70s
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
80s
U2 - The Joshua Tree
90s
Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory

90s

Tool - Aenima
Grandaddy - Under the Western Freeway

60s: The Kinks - The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society
70s: Stiff Little Fingers - Inflammable Material
80s: Joy Division - Closer
90s: Radiohead - OK Computer

These "greatest" threads are always pointless.

You wont get the GREATEST...

You'll get "my personal favorites" from each poster.

70s
Rainbow - Rainbow

80s
Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast

90s
Nightwish - Oceanborn

These "greatest" threads are always pointless.

You wont get the GREATEST...

You'll get "my personal favorites" from each poster.

You mean I don't have the best taste in music ever and everything I like is obviously the best whatever-it-is?

60's: The Sonics - Here are the Sonics
70's: The Stooges - Raw Power
80's: Sonic Youth - Sister
90's: Kyuss - Welcome to Sky Valley

You wont get the GREATEST...

You'll get "my personal favorites" from each poster.

Yep. But who cares? :p

50s- "Kind of Blue" Miles Davis
60s- "Are You Experienced?" -The Jimi Hendrix Experience
70s- "Who's Next?" -The Who
80s- "Thriller" -Michael Jackson (Yeah, I said it!)
90s- "Get A Grip" -Aerosmith
00s- ...uh... let me get back to you in 4 years. :p

This list will be just as bad, if not worse, than Time's, quite simply because there's a few too many people here who think metal is anything but shit.

Yep. But who cares? :p

Well...I guess I do.

If it were called "Your Favorite Albums of each Decade", then I wouldnt gripe.
But its not.

Its asking for "The Greatest".

So far the only person who mentioned an album or two that would really qualify would be the clown underneath you who picked 2.

"Michael Jackson's Thriller"..."Great" for its rediculous album sales, and becuase of the ratings the video got......two years after the albums release.

"Are You Experienced?".....Hendrix...nuff said....everybody knows why Hendrix ruled.

You yourself chose one I would call "important", but not quite on any "Greatest" list.

Raw Power = Proto-Punk.
Thus very important and influential to many, many bands that came after it.

Mindset! I think you are trolling here. metal is not my favorite music, but you need to accept that musical tastes differ greatly! The different between the time list is broader approach to it!

I would like to nominate anything by the Comedian Harmonists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedian_Harmonists), but I do not think they made albums... Can they be mentioned in the 20s category despite that? :>

1990s: MC Sar & the Real McCoy - Space invaders
Die Prinzen - Das Leben ist grausam
2000s: Metisse - Jeunesse

Mindset! I think you are trolling here. metal is not my favorite music, but you need to accept that musical tastes differ greatly! The different between the time list is broader approach to it!

I would like to nominate anything by the Comedian Harmonists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedian_Harmonists), but I do not think they made albums... Can they be mentioned in the 20s category despite that? :>

1990s: MC Sar & the Real McCoy - Space invaders
Die Prinzen - Das Leben ist grausam
2000s: Metisse - Jeunesse

Trolling? Hardly. This thread is not about personal musical tastes, it's to find the "greatest" albums ever which implies a certain amount of objectivity. If looked at from a purely objective stance, metal still sucks.

You mean I don't have the best taste in music ever and everything I like is obviously the best whatever-it-is?

Sadly, no.

Now...if you were ME...

Everything you like would be awesome, and obviously the very best whateveritis....

:)

60s - In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (Iron Butterfly)
70s - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Zoso.svg/75px-Zoso.svg.png (Led Zeppelin)
80s - Computer World (Kraftwerk)
90 - The Marshall Mathers LP (Eminem)

Trolling? Hardly. This thread is not about personal musical tastes, it's to find the "greatest" albums ever which implies a certain amount of objectivity. If looked at from a purely objective stance, metal still sucks.

Hardly.

Already you display the fact that you are not objective by labeling all metal "suck".

Like them or not, Metallica's album "Master of Puppets" is one of the most influencial albums of the 80's.

It doesnt matter if you like them or not, that album had a huge impact on the music scene, and may even be the "Greatest Heavy Metal Album Ever".

O-Town's self-titled debut album definitely should be in the top 20.

O-Town's self-titled debut album definitely should be in the top 20.

Heh.

Maybe if it were "Top Twenty Albums that inspire Buggery."

60s - 13th Floor Elevators The Psychedelic Sounds of
70s - Ramones Ramones
80s - Slayer Reign In Blood
90s - Nirvana Nevermind

60s: haven't heard enough :(
70s: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
80s: Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
90s: Godspeed You! Black Emperor - F♯ A♯ ∞

Trolling? Hardly. This thread is not about personal musical tastes, it's to find the "greatest" albums ever which implies a certain amount of objectivity. If looked at from a purely objective stance, metal still sucks.
Eh, what metal have you actually heard which gave you such a prejudice against it all? Metal is a very vast genre, and while some people may simply not like any of it due to personal tastes, there's enough variety in it for there to be something for everyone to at least appreciate as not "sucking". Personally, I hate most "power"/"prog metal"* bands like Iron Maiden, DragonForce and Dream Theater, and "extreme metal"* bands like Cannibal Corpse, Trivium, and Dimmu Borgir - although I still am able listen to a lot of other types of metal.

What do you think of music that verges on metal, but isn't quite metal; or music influenced by metal; or music which has influenced metal? Do they all fit under the "suck" that is metal?

Just don't let prejudices and generalisations get in the way of things. ;)

Look (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heavy_metal_genres)... Heh, it has "troll metal". :p

* Yes, I do realise I am generalising here, and I do actually listen to music that some people would categorise as "prog metal" or "extreme metal", but I mean bands that are similar-ish to those I listed.

What do you think of music that verges on metal, but isn't quite metal; or music influenced by metal; or music which has influenced metal? Do they all fit under the "suck" that is metal?


Don't waste your time. He litterally does not care about facts on this subject. He's said as much in the past. He just irrationally hates metal and nothing you say will ever convince him that he really doesn't have the faintest clue what constitutes metal.

Coincidently... I despise thrash and it's wonderful counterparts. Basically, outside of Power Metal and Prog Metal (and Melodeath and other Power Metal crossovers), I find that either the vocalist doesn't impress me (See: "Metal"ica, Black Metal, Lamb of God), or the guitars make me want to throw up (See: All Thrash).
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60's: Phil Ochs: I Ain't Marching Anymore
70's: The Sex Pistols: Nevermind the Bollocks
80's: Embrace (not the shitty UK band... The One from DC): Embrace
90's: Sucked
00's: Suck even worse

1960's - Bob Dylan - Highway 61 revisited or The Beatles - Revolver
1970's - Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
1980's - U2 - The Joshua Tree
1990's - Radiohead - OK Computer
2000's - Radiohead - Kid A

Don't waste your time. He litterally does not care about facts on this subject. He's said as much in the past. He just irrationally hates metal and nothing you say will ever convince him that he really doesn't have the faintest clue what constitutes metal.

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60's: Phil Ochs: I Ain't Marching Anymore
70's: The Sex Pistols: Nevermind the Bollocks
80's: Embrace (not the shitty UK band... The One from DC): Embrace
90's: Sucked
00's: Suck even worse

says he who irrationally hates all music since the end of the 1980's

Trolling? Hardly. This thread is not about personal musical tastes, it's to find the "greatest" albums ever which implies a certain amount of objectivity. If looked at from a purely objective stance, metal still sucks.


There is no purely objective stance for art... everyone has different taste in music... I hate Mozart and most other classic while I listen to 8-bit-music... does that make me wrong and classic-fans right?

There is no purely objective stance for art... everyone has different taste in music... I hate Mozart and most other classic while I listen to 8-bit-music... does that make me wrong and classic-fans right?

You can only be objective if you are stating the influence of certain artists and albums of a particular genre. No matter how much you hate Metal or Classical, you should still be able to objectively state the key pieces of ar from those genres.

says he who irrationally hates all music since the end of the 1980's

Meh. :rolleyes:

Is there a rational way to hate music? You're gonna have a hard time showing me music that I enjoy enough from the 90's and 00's that I would be willing to call it great. Most of it just seems like pre-manufactured pop-musak. Once the major labels get to start selling "Alternative" music as a new packaging for the same old nonsense, I start getting bored with what get's produced.

There is some metal I love listening to from the 90's and 00's, but nothing that I would rate as art with a purpose. Just entertainment, and I haven't got a lot of time for artists who are just entertaining.

Edit: And what you don't understand is that Mindset has had these fights before, been totally disprooven and still came back with "But metal just sucks", even whilst acknowledging that every argument he has made is totally debunked.

Meh. :rolleyes:

Is there a rational way to hate music? You're gonna have a hard time showing me music that I enjoy enough from the 90's and 00's that I would be willing to call it great. Most of it just seems like pre-manufactured pop-musak. Once the major labels get to start selling "Alternative" music as a new packaging for the same old nonsense, I start getting bored with what get's produced.

There is some metal I love listening to from the 90's and 00's, but nothing that I would rate as art with a purpose. Just entertainment, and I haven't got a lot of time for artists who are just entertaining.
What about Tool?

*loves Tool*

There is some metal I love listening to from the 90's and 00's, but nothing that I would rate as art with a purpose. Just entertainment, and I haven't got a lot of time for artists who are just entertaining.What do you consider art with a purpose to be? For instance, if it makes a political point, is that purpose enough for you?

What about Tool?

*loves Tool*

I despise them. ;)

Actually, that word is too weak.

I hate them with an unbridled passion. Don't worry, though, I feel that way about a lot of music.

What do you consider art with a purpose to be? For instance, if it makes a political point, is that purpose enough for you?

Something with a real message, that isn't just pre-packaged MTV whining bullshit or faux-agressive posturing attempts to sell violence. Something where there is something actually new about the music, and it isn't just the same old shit repackaged for a new generation (See: Greed Day).

Well...I guess I do.

If it were called "Your Favorite Albums of each Decade", then I wouldnt gripe.
But its not.

Its asking for "The Greatest".

So far the only person who mentioned an album or two that would really qualify would be the clown underneath you who picked 2.

"Michael Jackson's Thriller"..."Great" for its rediculous album sales, and becuase of the ratings the video got......two years after the albums release.

"Are You Experienced?".....Hendrix...nuff said....everybody knows why Hendrix ruled.

You yourself chose one I would call "important", but not quite on any "Greatest" list.

Raw Power = Proto-Punk.
Thus very important and influential to many, many bands that came after it.

The way I see it, we would spend all day arguing over what objectively defines the "greatest", anyway, so hell, I figured i'd throw in a couple that I thought were important to their respective genres/scenes. How else can I define which is the greatest? A look at the top selling albums in the US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_in_the_United_States) and worldwide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide#Album_alleged_to_have_sold_at_least_100_million_copies) doesn't really convince me that any of those albums are truly great.

So if sales figures alone aren't proof of greatness (in my opinion, others may disagree), we're stuck looking at influence, which is so nebulous a term that it's nearly a subjective concept. How on earth do you figure which album is more influential? I believe it was Bodies Without Organs that cited in the thread about Time Magazine's list a quote about the Velvet Underground's first album, Velvet Underground & Nico, where while it may not have sold many copies upon release, everyone who bought it was compelled to start a band. Is it more or less objectively "great" than Michael Jackon's Thriller, then? And there's plenty of other albums that weren't mainstream commercial hits or especially well known even today, but were stylistically groundbreaking (hence why I put down the debut of the Sonics...). Or what of Metallica, then? The Black Album sold more copies and the songs on it are much better known by the general public than Master of Puppets, but Master of Puppets is viewed as their classic by most metal fans.

It's really too difficult a question to answer unless a set of criteria that defines a great album are clearly laid out, and even then its a monumental task. Everyone is going to have a different opinion on the topic.

You can only be objective if you are stating the influence of certain artists and albums of a particular genre. No matter how much you hate Metal or Classical, you should still be able to objectively state the key pieces of ar from those genres.

Hmmm, I like a Ukrainian band, which unfortunately was not known outside of Ukraine to make itself known to influence others (according to them due to bad management)... but in its own nation is extremely influential. How would them (Greenjolly) be rated on that scale? Or the CC-movement

Something with a real message, that isn't just pre-packaged MTV whining bullshit or faux-agressive posturing attempts to sell violence. Something where there is something actually new about the music, and it isn't just the same old shit repackaged for a new generation (See: Greed Day).Hm. I'd say the popular alternative bands of the early '90s fit this bill, like Nirvana, Soundgarden, or the Smashing Pumpkins.

Hm. I'd say the popular alternative bands of the early '90s fit this bill, like Nirvana, Soundgarden, or the Smashing Pumpkins.

Hardly.

But they tried very hard to sell the concept that they did. I am hard-pressed to find a message in any of the bands of which you speak, and their musical creativity should not be over-rated.

Hardly.

But they tried very hard to sell the concept that they did. I am hard-pressed to find a message in any of the bands of which you speak, and their musical creativity should not be over-rated.Well, the last point I can agree with, they weren't original except in the way they took influences from other bands.
As far as their message goes, I wouldn't say there's less of a message in their music in than in your average Minor Threat song.

Well, the last point I can agree with, they weren't original except in the way they took influences from other bands.
As far as their message goes, I wouldn't say there's less of a message in their music in than in your average Minor Threat song.

Really? I wouldn't think I could find anything in Nirvana's repertoire that equalled up to the focussed message of, say, In My Eyes, Straight Edge, Out of Step, or Bottled Violence.

I mean... What are you gonna say? And, at the very least, Minor Threat didn't play at being underground, they were underground. With Nirvana, they tried to become society, while trying to play at not being it. I see that as the ultimate dishonesty.

Really? I wouldn't think I could find anything in Nirvana's repertoire that equalled up to the focussed message of, say, In My Eyes, Straight Edge, Out of Step, or Bottled Violence.Why does the message have to be focused in order for there to be a message? Is there no room for interpretation?

I mean... What are you gonna say? And, at the very least, Minor Threat didn't play at being underground, they were underground. With Nirvana, they tried to become society, while trying to play at not being it. I see that as the ultimate dishonesty.I disagree, I think Nirvana tried to reform society in their image.

Why does the message have to be focused in order for there to be a message? Is there no room for interpretation?

What should I interpret from "Smells Like Teen Spirit"? What should I interpret from "You Know You're Right"? What should I interpret from "Floyd the Barber"?

So far as I can tell, they have no point at all.

I disagree, I think Nirvana tried to reform society in their image.

Not so hard, when the only one of them who had a history of being so different from the world around him was Grohl, who came from a real Punk scene (his work in DC is infinitely better than Nirvana, in my opinion).

What should I interpret from "Smells Like Teen Spirit"? What should I interpret from "You Know You're Right"? What should I interpret from "Floyd the Barber"?

So far as I can tell, they have no point at all."Floyd the Barber" is about the seedy underbelly that exists behind the goody-goody veneers of small towns.
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "You Know You're Right" deal with various issues, depending upon the line of the song.

Not so hard, when the only one of them who had a history of being so different from the world around him was Grohl, who came from a real Punk scene (his work in DC is infinitely better than Nirvana, in my opinion).Are you even familiar with the life stories of Cobain and Novoselic?

"Floyd the Barber" is about the seedy underbelly that exists behind the goody-goody veneers of small towns.
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "You Know You're Right" deal with various issues, depending upon the line of the song.

Teen Spirit is just another vapid song about party life during the first verse (second could be about Punk, but I think he just means other "misfits" like himself). You Know You're Right is just another silly relationship song.


Are you even familiar with the life stories of Cobain and Novoselic?

Fairly, given that I've read into the subject fairly thoroughly. No offense, but most of the Cobain mythos strikes me as being fairly contrived and invented to romanticise a particularly uninteresting character.

Teen Spirit is just another vapid song about party life during the first verse (second could be about Punk, but I think he just means other "misfits" like himself). You Know You're Right is just another silly relationship song.I think "Teen Spirit" is probably about all three of the things you mentioned; the initial verses were written about his relationship with Tobi Vail, some of which were changed for the final song.
As far as "You Know You're Right", it is a relationship song. I don't know about silly, but I suppose one could take the viewpoint that all songs about relationships are silly.

Fairly, given that I've read into the subject fairly thoroughly. No offense, but most of the Cobain mythos strikes me as being fairly contrived and invented to romanticise a particularly uninteresting character.There was a certain amount of contriving in the mythos, but a lot of it seems to be genuine, also. For instance, the parts about not fitting into the mold of what a "real man" is supposed to be is referenced in "Mr. Moustache", "Territorial Pissings", and "Very Ape".

I think "Teen Spirit" is probably about all three of the things you mentioned; the initial verses were written about his relationship with Tobi Vail, some of which were changed for the final song.
As far as "You Know You're Right", it is a relationship song. I don't know about silly, but I suppose one could take the viewpoint that all songs about relationships are silly.

I do. ;)

There was a certain amount of contriving in the mythos, but a lot of it seems to be genuine, also. For instance, the parts about not fitting into the mold of what a "real man" is supposed to be is referenced
in "Mr. Moustache", "Territorial Pissings", and "Very Ape".

Well, I would point out that relying on Cobain's self mythology makes as much sense as depending on, say, John Lydon's self mythology. We always try to find a way to make ourselves into what we want to be. I don't dissagree that Cobain probably felt inadequate, merely that the scope of that innadequacy was smaller than his art makes it seem.

Edit: I'm also of the opinion that the very fact that it bothered him was a bit silly. Everyone should want to not be a real man. Real men are a waste of oxygen.

I do. ;) I figured as much. Personally, I don't see a relationship song to be any different from any other type of social commentary song, just that the relationship song has a much narrower focus.

Well, I would point out that relying on Cobain's self mythology makes as much sense as depending on, say, John Lydon's self mythology. We always try to find a way to make ourselves into what we want to be. I don't dissagree that Cobain probably felt inadequate, merely that the scope of that innadequacy was smaller than his art makes it seem.There are other sources who can, and have, verified at least some of what he said.

Edit: I'm also of the opinion that the very fact that it bothered him was a bit silly. Everyone should want to not be a real man. Real men are a waste of oxygen.Perhaps, perhaps not. I didn't grow up in small town Washington, or a small town anywhere, but from what I know about small towns, they tend to have very rigidly defined ideas of gender roles. It seems to me that getting shit for not fitting the role for a long period of time would be rather bothersome.

60's - The Songs of Leonard Cohen - Leonard Cohen
70's - London Calling - The Clash
80's - The Joshua Tree - U2
90's - OK Computer - Radiohead


60's - Sgt. Pepper's - Beatles
70's - Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd
80's - So - Peter Gabriel
90's - Play - Moby


2 lists for the price of one.

Actually, I just reminded myself of a band from the '90s who is musically unique and carries a message: Bikini Kill.

90's TOOL -Aemnia
50's Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
60's Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
90's WEEN - Chocolate and Cheese
70's Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge over troubled waters

and for dear Fass:
70's ABBA - whatever crappy record they put out that made them famous.

Meh. :rolleyes:

Is there a rational way to hate music? You're gonna have a hard time showing me music that I enjoy enough from the 90's and 00's that I would be willing to call it great. Most of it just seems like pre-manufactured pop-musak. Once the major labels get to start selling "Alternative" music as a new packaging for the same old nonsense, I start getting bored with what get's produced.

There is some metal I love listening to from the 90's and 00's, but nothing that I would rate as art with a purpose. Just entertainment, and I haven't got a lot of time for artists who are just entertaining.

Edit: And what you don't understand is that Mindset has had these fights before, been totally disprooven and still came back with "But metal just sucks", even whilst acknowledging that every argument he has made is totally debunked.

Probably, but then again what decades you think are good in music depends upon the genres of music that you like.

Also, how can somebody acknowledge they have lost an arguement but still believe in their intitial arguement :confused:

50's Miles Davis - Kind of Blue


Damn I left that off my list. I'll second that nomination :D

90s : R.E.M. - Automatic for the People.

90's: Angel Dust - Faith No More
It's smart, it's violent, it's perverted, and it's "music with a purpose", as KSP might say while donning a monocle and top hat on the balcony.

60's- If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears-The Mamas & the Papas

70's- Led Zeppelin IV

80's- .... no comment.

90's- Flood- They Might Be Giants

Damn I left that off my list. I'll second that nomination :D

You're thirding it. I already said it. :)

art with a purpose. Just entertainment, and I haven't got a lot of time for artists who are just entertaining.


How about Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited

Musically brilliant, lyrically one of the best albums of lyrics ever made and came at the height of Bob Dylan's musical creativity in the mid-sixties.

Is that what you mean by "art with purpose"?

You're thirding it. I already said it. :)

Damn beaten to it :p

I'll third it then

Put "The Queen is Dead" on the 80's list. Not my favourite Smiths album, but by far the most influential.

Hardly.

Already you display the fact that you are not objective by labeling all metal "suck".

Like them or not, Metallica's album "Master of Puppets" is one of the most influencial albums of the 80's.

It doesnt matter if you like them or not, that album had a huge impact on the music scene, and may even be the "Greatest Heavy Metal Album Ever".

I couldn't agree more!!!

60's: Are You Experienced? & Electric Ladyland by Jimi Hendrix / Led Zeppelin by Led Zeppelin / The Doors by The Doors

70's: What's Going On by Marvin Gaye / Pearl by Janis Joplin / Hotel California by Eagles

80's: Master of Puppets by Metallica / Texas Flood by Stevie Ray Vaughan / Thriller by Michael Jackson

90's: Nevermind by Nirvana / Ten by Pearl Jam / No Fences by Garth Brooks

Probably, but then again what decades you think are good in music depends upon the genres of music that you like.

Meh. It all depends on what I want from music, but not so much on the genre. The 90's and 00's lacked creative bands with strong messages and an attempt to really undermine the corruption of the music and art world.

Also, how can somebody acknowledge they have lost an arguement but still believe in their intitial arguement :confused:

I don't know, but he did.

Back In Black by AC/DC, came out in 1980.

The Beatles - Rubber Soul, in 1965.

The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, in 1963.


Please add those.
Any decent list has them in there.
Thanks.

90's- Flood- They Might Be Giants

I'm not sure I would have considered it for "Greatest" but I really like that choice.

I'll be working on updating the list. Also, Thriller is not going on the list. That's one of those universally hated albums.

I'll be working on updating the list. Also, Thriller is not going on the list. That's one of those universally hated albums.

Then this list is even more of a farce.

I don't like the album either, but it's been nominated too many times to ignore it.

60's - Jefferson Airplane's "Surrealistic Pillow"
70's - Led Zeppelin II
80's - The Beastie Boys' "Paul's Boutique"
90's - The Stone Roses

60's- Van Morrison- Astral Weeks
2000's- Mars Volta- De-loused in the Comatorium

Astral Weeks has to be added. It was ranked as the ninth best record of all time in several polls. Deloused is more a matter of opinion.

Meh. :rolleyes:

Is there a rational way to hate music? You're gonna have a hard time showing me music that I enjoy enough from the 90's and 00's that I would be willing to call it great. Most of it just seems like pre-manufactured pop-musak. Once the major labels get to start selling "Alternative" music as a new packaging for the same old nonsense, I start getting bored with what get's produced.

There is some metal I love listening to from the 90's and 00's, but nothing that I would rate as art with a purpose. Just entertainment, and I haven't got a lot of time for artists who are just entertaining.

Edit: And what you don't understand is that Mindset has had these fights before, been totally disprooven and still came back with "But metal just sucks", even whilst acknowledging that every argument he has made is totally debunked.

Huh? I've never made any attempt at justifying my loathing of metal. Metal sucks. I do not know loads about the genre because every time I'm subjected to listening to it, my ears bleed, my heart palpitates and I scratch out my eyeballs. I never pretended that I was an expert at metal because I have absolutely no desire to be one. My entire "argument" is: metal sucks. You can't disprove that, so I don't have a clue what you're blabbertooting on about.

Huh? I've never made any attempt at justifying my loathing of metal. Metal sucks. I do not know loads about the genre because every time I'm subjected to listening to it, my ears bleed, my heart palpitates and I scratch out my eyeballs. I never pretended that I was an expert at metal because I have absolutely no desire to be one. My entire "argument" is: metal sucks. You can't disprove that, so I don't have a clue what you're blabbertooting on about.

I beleive in the past you've complained about lack of complexity and lack of subtlety. You were disprooved on both counts and then retreated to "but metal still sucks!" (You see, it landed you on my ignore list, so I know it was you)

I expect that the only metal you've ever heard is thrash or death. Metal is so very varied that it is almost impossible to hate all of it.

What music do you listen to?

I'll be working on updating the list. Also, Thriller is not going on the list. That's one of those universally hated albums.

It's the greatest selling album ever. Love it or hate it, it needs to be on the list. *nod*

It's the greatest selling album ever. Love it or hate it, it needs to be on the list. *nod*

I disagree. Greatest selling by no means equals musical worthiness. I vote to leave it off.

These "greatest" threads are always pointless.

You wont get the GREATEST...

You'll get "my personal favorites" from each poster.
That is partially true, if you agree with me, then you are right.:p

60's: ...
70's Dark Side of the Moon: Pink Floyd
80's Thriller: Micheal Jackson
90's: Blood Sugar Sex Magik: Red Hot Chili Peppers

I disagree. Greatest selling by no means equals musical worthiness. I vote to leave it off.

How about 80 weeks in the Billboard Top 10?

How about 37 weeks at #1(the most of any album)?

How about being in a three-way tie for the most top ten singles on one album(and the first of them to do so)?

Ranked #20 on Rolling Stone's Greatest Albums of All Time list?

Seven Grammy Awards?

I think people are letting their hatred of Michael Jackson affect their judgement of his music.

How about 80 weeks in the Billboard Top 10?

How about 37 weeks at #1(the most of any album)?

How about being in a three-way tie for the most top ten singles on one album(and the first of them to do so)?

These are just reflections of how popluar it was, doesn't mean it was quality music. Britney Spears was popular not that long ago.

Ranked #20 on Rolling Stone's Greatest Albums of All Time list?.

This is the only one that carries any weight with me.

Seven Grammy Awards?.

The Grammies are a complete joke. They're the shittiest awards in the history of awards.

I think people are letting their hatred of Michael Jackson affect their judgement of his music.

I don't hate Michael Jackson at all, I've just always thought he was completely overrated.

The Grammies are a complete joke. They're the shittiest awards in the history of awards.

"Hey! An academy award! .....awwwww, it's a Grammy...."

These are just reflections of how popluar it was, doesn't mean it was quality music. Britney Spears was popular not that long ago.

Still is. He has (according to confirmations in 2001 and 2006) sold more copies of Thriller since 2001 than the second-greatest selling album of all time(Back in Black-ACDC) has sold period.

That's about 20 years after it's release. I'd like to see Britney do that!

Still is. He has (according to confirmations in 2001 and 2006) sold more copies of Thriller since 2001 than the second-greatest selling album of all time(Back in Black-ACDC) has sold period.

That's about 20 years after it's release. I'd like to see Britney do that!

Well I certainly wouldn't! :p

Well I certainly wouldn't! :p

Touche' :p