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Islam is a religion of violence!

Kohlstein
29-11-2006, 22:27
I am tired of liars claiming that Islam is peaceful. I want to get a discussion going to explore the different doctrines of Islam and Islamic history to prove my point.
Trotskylvania
29-11-2006, 22:29
I am tired of liars claiming that Islam is peaceful. I want to get a discussion going to explore the different doctrines of Islam and Islamic history to prove my point.

Oh shit, here we go again. *grabs popcorn*
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 22:29
I suggest you think of a little more to say if you want to start a proper debate, otherwise it will just turn into a flamefest. Meh, it probably will whatever information you provide.
Utracia
29-11-2006, 22:30
I suppose we should start a response thread on all the violent acts that Christianity has done. Only fair.
Morvonia
29-11-2006, 22:30
Oh shit, here we go again. *grabs popcorn*


pass it down....you want some cola?
Lunatic Goofballs
29-11-2006, 22:31
I am tired of liars claiming that Islam is peaceful. I want to get a discussion going to explore the different doctrines of Islam and Islamic history to prove my point.

Bad Idea. Let's discuss sock puppets instead. :)
Ultraviolent Radiation
29-11-2006, 22:31
And what is trolling the religion of?
Laerod
29-11-2006, 22:31
I am tired of liars claiming that Islam is peaceful. I want to get a discussion going to explore the different doctrines of Islam and Islamic history to prove my point.I dunno, none of the muslims I meet ever threaten me or try to do me harm.
LiberationFrequency
29-11-2006, 22:31
You might want to start off by showing a few quotes from various Islamic religious texts
Morvonia
29-11-2006, 22:31
please states a point off the bat, commin like this will get you ignored.
Laerod
29-11-2006, 22:32
Bad Idea. Let's discuss sock puppets instead. :)Ooh! Nylon, wool, or cotton?
Trotskylvania
29-11-2006, 22:32
pass it down....you want some cola?

*passes popcorn* Yes, please.
Bookislvakia
29-11-2006, 22:33
Let's face it buddy, every religion is a religion of violence.

Welcome to centuries behind.
Fleckenstein
29-11-2006, 22:34
Bad Idea. Let's discuss sock puppets instead. :)

How come finger puppets is okay as a noun, but not as a verb?
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 22:34
pass it down....you want some cola?

I'll take one...Twizzler?
Call to power
29-11-2006, 22:34
I have to ask have you ever read the Koran?

Bad Idea. Let's discuss sock puppets instead. :)

I agree sock puppets make the best teachers…..ewwwwww
Utracia
29-11-2006, 22:34
please states a point off the bat, commin like this will get you ignored.

Nah, he's a baby troll. Everyone will want to get a post in before a mod shuts it down.
Morvonia
29-11-2006, 22:37
*passes popcorn* Yes, please.

*passes cola* they you go.


I'll take one...Twizzler?


*throws bag*
Kyronea
29-11-2006, 22:38
I am tired of liars claiming that Islam is peaceful. I want to get a discussion going to explore the different doctrines of Islam and Islamic history to prove my point.

YOU'RE a religion of violence!

Seriously, though, all religions are crappy violent easily-used-for-power pieces of pure junk. Christianity being one of THE worst, along WITH Islam.

But that's just my silly athiest opinion.
German Nightmare
29-11-2006, 22:38
Bad Idea. Let's discuss sock puppets instead. :)
Are the eyes made out of buttons or beads?
Lunatic Goofballs
29-11-2006, 22:41
Ooh! Nylon, wool, or cotton?

Exactly. :) I'm thinking cotton because the marker doesn't rub off.

You own sock, or somebody else's? I like using somebody else's because of the wonderful look on his face when you tell him you drew all over his nice clean sock in permanent marker. :)
Lunatic Goofballs
29-11-2006, 22:42
How come finger puppets is okay as a noun, but not as a verb?

Beats me. :confused:
Illuve
29-11-2006, 22:42
*starts to pass out Milk Duds*

Is this the theater that's showing the Rocky Horror Picture Show?
Lunatic Goofballs
29-11-2006, 22:43
Are the eyes made out of buttons or beads?

I typically draw them on with a marker, because it's usually spontaneous, and not my sock. :)
Phyrexia Novem Orbis
29-11-2006, 22:43
Certain sects/persons in Islam are violent, just as certain persons/sects in Christianity, Hinuism, and other religious are violent.
Its called 'being people'.
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 22:44
I am tired of liars claiming that Islam is peaceful. I want to get a discussion going to explore the different doctrines of Islam and Islamic history to prove my point.

Genesis

# Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8

# God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17

# God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4

# God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23

# God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10

# Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6

# Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8

# God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24

# Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26

# God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe's lie. 20:3-7

# Sarai tells Abraham to "cast out this bondwoman and her son." God commands him to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14

# God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13

# Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10

# Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31

# The sons of Jacob trick Shechem into getting circumcised. Then they murder him, his sons, and all the males of the city, while taking their wives captive. 34:24-29

# "The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." 35:5

# "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7

# After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10

# After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24

# Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19
Exodus

# Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12

# God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23

# God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26

# God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4

# "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17

# God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24

# The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:2-6

# The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12

# "For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth." Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14

# God kills all Egyptian cattle with hail. 9:19-20

# The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25

# These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. 11:4-6 (see 12:29-30)

# God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

# God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12

# After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29

# To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15

# After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea 14:4-28

# Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19

# "The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3

# God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6

# If you do what God says, he won't send his diseases on you (like he did to the Egyptians). But otherwise.... 15:26

# Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13

# "The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14-16

# Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." 19:12-13

# Like the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, nobody can see God and live. 19:21

# God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24

# A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17

# An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25

# If an ox gores someone, "then the ox shall surely be stoned." 21:28

# If an ox gores someone due to the negligence of its owner, then "the ox shall be stoned, and his owner shall be put to death.". 21:29

# If an ox gores a slave, the owner of the ox must pay the owner of the slave 30 shekels of silver, and "the ox shall be stoned." 21:32

# "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18

# "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19

# "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20

# If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24

# "The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29

# God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27

# Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8

# Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37

# Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39

# Wash up or die. 30:20-21

# Moses burned the golden calf, ground it into powder, and then forced it down the throats of all the people. 32:20

# Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33

# Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14

# God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot" and he can "consume them. 32:10

# God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28

# But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35

# If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20

# Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3
Leviticus

# God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9

# "Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces." 1:6

# Burn the head, fat, and entrails for "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:8-9

# "Kill it and sprinkle blood round about." 1:11, 3:2, 3:8, 3:13

# "Cut it into pieces and burn it for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:12-13

# "Wring off its head and burn it." 1:15

# "For a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:17

# "Part it in pieces... it is a meat offering." 2:6

# "It is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire." 2:10

# What to do with the fat, kidneys, and liver of your burnt offerings. 3:3-4, 3:9-10, 3:14-16

# "Kill the bullock before the Lord and take of the bullock's blood." 4:4

# "The priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:6, 4:17

# "Pour all the blood at the bottom of the altar." 4:7

# What to do with the fat, kidneys, liver, skin, head, entrails, and dung from your burnt offerings. 4:8-11

# "The bullock shall be killed before the Lord." 4:14

# "Kill it and pour out the blood." 4:24-25

# "Slay it for a sin offering, pour out the blood, and burn the fat for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 4:29-31

# Slay it for a sin offering, put the blood on your finger, and pour out the blood at the bottom of the altar. 4:33-34

# Wringing off the heads of pigeons for God. 5:8-9

# Kill the sin offering before the Lord. "It is most holy." 6:25

# The holy law of trespass offering: Find an animal; kill it; sprinkle the blood around; offer God the fat, rump, kidneys, and caul; burn and eat it in the holy place, for "it is most holy." 7:1-6

# The priest must sprinkle the blood of the peace offerings. 7:14

# Be careful what you eat during these animal sacrifices. Don't eat fat or blood -- these are for God. (And he doesn't like to share!) 7:18-27

# God gives instructions for "wave offerings" and "heave offerings." He says these offerings are to be made perpetually "by a statute for ever." Have you made your heave offering today? 7:30-36

# Moses does it all for God. First he kills an animal; wipes the blood on Aaron's ears, thumbs, and big toes. Then he sprinkles blood round about and waves the guts before the Lord. Finally he burns the whole mess for "a sweet savour before the Lord." 8:14-32

# More killing, sprinkling of blood, waiving animal parts, and burning carcasses "before the Lord." 9:2-21

# Kill the calf, dip your finger in the blood, sprinkle the blood round about, burn the fat and entrails, and wave the breast for a wave offering before the Lord. 9:8-21

# Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-3

# If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by uncovering their heads, tearing their clothes, leaving with holy oil on them, or by drinking "wine or strong drink", then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." 10:6-9

# After a woman gives birth, a priest must kill a lamb, pigeon, or dove as a sin offering. This is because having children is sinful and God likes it when things are killed for him. 12:6-8

# God's law for lepers: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 14:2-32

# God "put the plague of leprosy" into the houses of the Canaanites. 14:34

# God explains the use of scapegoats. It goes like this: Get two goats. Kill one. Wipe, smear, and sprinkle the blood around seven times. Then take the other goat, give it the sins of all the people, and send it off into the wilderness. 16:6-28

# Sprinkle the blood and burn the fat for a sweet savour unto the Lord. 17:6

# If you upset God, he'll cause the land to vomit you out. 18:25

# "Whosoever shall commit any of these abominations ... shall be cut off from among their people." 18:29, 19:8

# Don't eat sacrifices on the third day or God will cut you off from among your people. 19:6-8

# Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off. 20:2-5

# "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." Couldn't we try spanking first? 20:9

# Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:10

# If a man has sex with his father's wife, kill them both. 20:11

# If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12

# If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

# If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of you must be burned to death. 20:14

# If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16

# People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

# A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9

# God gives us more instructions on killing and burning animals. I guess the first nine chapters of Leviticus wasn't enough. He says we must do this because he really likes the smell -- it is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 23:12-14, 18

# Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 23:29-30

# A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23

# Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16

# God tells the Israelites to "chase" their enemies and make them "fall before you by the sword." He figures five of the Israelites will be able to "chase" a hundred of their enemies, and a hundred will be able to "put ten thousand to flight." 26:7-8

# God describes the torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says "ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it," "I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children," and "ye shall eat the flesh of your sons and daughters." 26:16-39

# All "devoted" things (both man and beast) "shall surely be put to death." 27:28-29
Numbers

# God shows his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51, 3:10, 3:38

# Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4

# Don't touch or "go in to see when the holy things are covered." God kills people who touch or look at covered holy things. 4:15, 20

# God tells the people to expel from camp "every leper, every one that hath an issue, and whoever is defiled by the dead." So by God's instructions, the sick are abandoned and left to suffer and die alone. 5:1-4

# "And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it." (He had his hearing aid on.) He then burned the complainers alive. That'll teach them. 11:1

# "And wile the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33

# Miriam and Aaron (Moses' brother and sister) criticize Moses for marrying an Ethiopian woman and thus breaking the law of God. But God makes it clear that his rules don't apply to his favorites, and he strikes Miriam with leprosy. Notice that only Miriam is punished, though both she and Aaron complained. 12:1, 9-10

# More plagues and pestilence sent by God. God repeats one of his favorite promises: "your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness." 14:12, 29, 14:32-37

# God punishes the children for the failings of their great-great grandfathers. 14:18

# God gives more instructions for the ritualistic killing of animals. The smell of burning flesh is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 15:3, 13-14, 24

# The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him. 15:32-36

# Because of a dispute between Korah and Moses, God has the ground open up and swallow Korah, Dathan, and Abiram "and their wives, and their sons, and their little children." Then, just for the hell of it, God has a fire burn to death 250 "men that offered incense." 16:20-35

# After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50

# God threatens to kill those who murmur. To which the people reply, "Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish .... Shall we be consumed with dying?" 17:12-13

# Stay away from holy things and places -- like churches. God might have to kill you if you get too close.18:3, 22, 32

# God shows us how to make new friends by saying : "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 18:7

# God describes once again the procedure for ritualistic animal sacrifices. such rituals must be extremely important to God, since he makes their performance a "statute" and "covenant" forever. 18:17-19

# The purification of the unclean. These absurd rituals, cruel sacrifices, and unjust punishments are vitally important to God. They are to be "a perpetual statute" for all humankind. 19:1-22

# "And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3

# God sends "fiery serpents" to bite his chosen people, and many of them die. 21:6

# God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35

# God's people will kill like a lion and then "drink the blood of the slain." 23:24

# God, who is as strong as a unicorn, will eat up the nations, break their bones, and then pierce them through with his arrows. What a guy! 24:8

# After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5

# When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9

# For impaling the interracial couple, God rewards Phinehas and his sons with the everlasting priesthood. 25:10-13

# God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17

# The ground swallow Korah and his companions and a fire consumes 250 men. 26:10

# "And Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord." When you go camping avoid making any unusual fires. 26:61

# In these chapters, God provides ridiculously detailed instructions for the ritualistic sacrifice of animals. The burning of their dead bodies smells great to God. Eleven times in these two chapters God says that they are to him a "sweet savour." 28 - 29

# Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! (Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins.) 31:1-54

# God killed all the Egyptian firstborn. 33:4

# God tells Moses to exterminate the residents of Canaan and destroy all of their religious symbols and possessions. 33:50-52

# But if the Israelites don't kill them all, then God will make them pricks in their eyes and thorns in their sides. And he will do unto the Israelites as he planned to do to the inhabitants of Canaan. 33:55-56

# "The revenger of blood" must murder the murderer just as soon as he sees him. 35:19, 21

# When a murder is committed the blood pollutes the land. The only way to cleanse it is to spill more blood by killing the killer. 35:30, 33
Deuteronomy

# "The Lord destroyed them before them" -- the general treatment of the people who were supposedly displaced by the Israelites. 2:21-22

# All nations shall be terrorized by the followers of Yahweh. 2:25

# God hardened the heart of the king of Heshbon and so that he could have him and all of his people killed. 2:30

# At God's instructions, the Israelites "utterly destroyed the men, women, and the little ones" leaving "none to remain." 2:33-36

# The Israelites, with God's help, kill all the men, women, and children of every city. 3:3-6

# When going to war, don't be afraid. God is on your side; "he shall fight for you." 3:22

# God destroyed the followers of Baalpeor. 4:3

# God brought the Israelites out of Egypt "by war ... and by great terrors." 4:34

# If someone makes an image of anything (like a bird or flower) then God will destroy the entire nation. 4:25-26

# If you worship the wrong god, God will get jealous and kill you. 6:15

# God instructs the Israelites to kill, without mercy, all the inhabitants (strangers) of the land that they conquer. 7:2

# If you do show any mercy to such strangers, "give your daughters to any of them, or "take" any of their daughters, then you'll get God so angry that he'll "destroy thee suddenly." 7:4

# God will kill those who hate him. 7:10

# God commands his people to "consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity on them." 7:16

# God will send hornets to kill your enemies, "for the Lord thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible." 7:20-23

# "If thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods ... ye shall surely perish." 8:19-20

# God is "a consuming fire" that destroys people. 9:3

# "The blood of sacrifices shall be poured out ... and thou shalt eat the flesh." Isn't this the sort of thing that Satanists are accused of doing? 12:27

# Kill those of other faiths. 12:30

# Prophets and dreamers are to be executed if they say or dream the wrong things. 13:1-5

# If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, "thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death." 13:6-10

# If you hear of a city where another god is worshiped, then destroy everyone in the city (even the cattle) and burn it down. (Watch out Salt Lake!) 13:12-16

# Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own. 17:2-7

# Anyone who will not listen to a priest or a judge must be executed. 17:12-13

# False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20

# Murderers and perjurers are to be executed -- "and thine eye shall not pity" them. 19:11-13, 18-21

# "And thine eye shall not pity. Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." 19:21

# God travels with people and fights in their wars. 20:4

# In the cities that god "delivers into thine hands" you must kill all the males (including old men, boys, and babies) with "the edge of the sword .... But the women ... shalt thou take unto yourself." 20:13

# "But of the cities ... which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth." Kill the old men and women, the sick and the dying, the blind and the lame, pregnant mothers, nursing mothers, infants, toddlers, and babies. 20:16

# If you find a dead body and don't know the cause of death, then get all the elders together, cut off the head of a heifer, wash your hands over its body, and say our hands have not shed this blood. (That'll do it!) 21:1-8

# If you have a "stubborn and rebellious son," then you and the other men in your neighborhood "shall stone him with stones that he die." 21:18-21

# Hang on trees the bodies of those who are "accursed of God." They make nice decorations. 21:22

# If a man marries, then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the "tokens of her virginity" (bloody sheets), then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. 22:13-21

# "If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die." 22:22

# If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death." 22:23-24

# Legal disputes are settled by a judge who determines guilt or innocence. No lawyers or jury are needed. Those found guilty will be beaten with 40 stripes. 25:1-3

# If two men fight and the wife of one grabs the "secrets" of the other, "then thou shalt cut off her hand" and "thine eye shall not pity her." 25:11-12

# God commands the Israelites to "blot out the rembrance of Amalek from under heaven." A few hundred years later God orders Saul to kill of the Amalekites "both man and woman, infant and suckling." (1 Sam.15:2-3) 25:19

# If you don't obey all of the laws that are given in the Old Testament, God shower you with the curses that are given in the next 52 verses. 28:16-68

# "Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body." 28:18

# God will send you "cursing, vexing, the pestilence, consumption, fever, inflammation, extreme burning, the sword, blasting, and mildew." 28:20-22

# "And thy carcass shall be meat to all the fowls of the air." 28:25-26

# "The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and the emerods [hemorrhoids], and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst be healed. The Lord will smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart." 28:27-28

# "Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes." 28:31

# Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people." 28:32

# You will be enslaved and driven mad in another country. 28:33-34

# "The Lord will smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head." 28:35

# You will be ruled by other nations, forced to serve other gods, become a laughingstock among your neighbors, have your crops destroyed by locusts, your vines eaten by worms, and have fruitless olive trees. 28:36-40

# "Thou shalt begat sons and daughters, but thou shall not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity." 28:41

# "All these curses shall come upon thee ... and upon thy seed for ever." 28:48-49

# God will enslave you and destroy you with hunger, thirst, hardship, and all kinds of deprivation. 28:48-52

# "And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." 28:53-55

# "The tender and delicate woman" will be forced to eat her own children "that cometh out from between her feet." 28:56-57

# If you don't do as God says he'll send plagues to torment and destroy you. 28:58-64

# "The LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind." 28:65-67

# God will have you sold to your enemies -- but even they won't buy you. 28:68

# If you serve the gods of other nations, "all the curses that are in this book" will fall upon you. 29:18-20

# "And the Lord will put all these curses upon thine enemies." See Dt.28:16-64 for some of the curses God has in mind. 30:7

# Moses tells the people that God will destroy all the inhabitants of the lands that they pass through. 31:3

# When God gets mad -- watch out! He'll starve you to death, burn you with fire, and send vicious beasts to devour you. He'll "destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs." Not even the helpless and innocent are spared by this psychotic God. 32:21-26

# God says, "To me belongeth vengeance, and recompense ... for the day of their destruction is at hand." 32:35

# God says, "I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh." Someone should take his sword and arrows away, at least until he's feeling better. 32:39-43
Joshua

# "And the city shall be accursed ... and all that therein, to the Lord: only Rahab the harlot shall live." God explains that Rahab is to be spared since she hid Joshua's spies and lied to those who were searching for them (2:4-5). But why was everyone else killed? Some of them were probably liars too. 6:17

# "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." 6:21

# After killing everyone, "they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein." Only the valuables (silver, gold, brass, and iron) did they keep to "put into the treasury of the house of the Lord." 6:24

# Joshua says that those who try to rebuild Jericho will be accursed by God, and will have to sacrifice both their oldest and their youngest sons in its construction. Well, Jericho still exists today, and is often considered to be the world's oldest, continuously occupied city. 6:26

# God tells Joshua to kill whoever tood "the accursed thing." 7:10-12

# If you happen to see "the accursed thing," don't touch it. If you do, you, your family, and all of your animals must be burned. 7:15

# "And Joshua ... took Achan ... and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his sheep... And all of Israel stoned them with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." This is because Achan "took of the accursed thing" -- whatever that means. But why would God require that Achan's sons and daughters (and even his animals) be stoned to death along with him? The Bible doesn't say. But it does tell us that "the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger" when Achan, his children, and his animals were stoned to death and their dead bodies burned. 7:24-26

# "When ye have taken the city [Ai] ... ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD. 8:8

# Joshua and his army, per God's instructions, slaughter "all the inhabitants of Ai." 8:22-26

# Joshua hangs the king of Ai on a tree until evening. 8:29

# After Joshua kills all the inhabitants of Ai, burns their city, and hangs their king on a tree, he kills some animals and burns them as a "peace offering" to his warlike God. 8:31

# God curses the Gibeonites to be slaves of the Jews forever. 9:21-27

# God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape. Then he sends down huge hailstones and kills even more of them. 10:10-11

# In a divine type of daylight savings time, God makes the sun stand still so that Joshua can get all his killing done before dark. 10:12-13

# God tells Joshua to "pursue after your enemies and smite the hindmost of them." (Kick their butts.) Don't let any of them escape "for the Lord your God hath delivered them into your hand." 10:19

# Joshua tells his captains to "put your feet upon the necks of these kings." He says, "thus shall the Lord do to all of your enemies." Then Joshua kills the kings and hangs them on trees. 10:24-26

# Joshua, at God's command, kills everyone and everything that he can find (including babies and little children)-- or, as the Bible puts it, he "utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord commanded." 10:28-32

# God delivers the Hazorites into Joshua's hand, and he knows just what to do with them: he smites them all with (you guessed it) the edge of the sword until "there was not any left to breathe." 11:6-17

# "And Joshua did unto them as the LORD bade him: he houghed their horses." 11:9

# "For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly." Notice that God hardens their hearts so that he can have an excuse to kill them. 11:20

# Caleb offers to give his daughter to whoever conquers the city of Debir. Caleb's nephew wins the contest and is given his cousin for a prize. 15:16-17

# "Did not Achan son of Zerah commit a trespass in the accursed thing, and wrath fell on all the congregation of Israel?" To find out see Joshua 7:1-26. 22:20

# God is jealous and will never forgive you for your sins. "He will turn and do you hurt, and consume you." 24:19-20
Judges

# God appoints Judah to succeed Joshua. The Lord delivers his foes into his hands and another 10,000 are slain. In the process, they capture Adonibezek and "cut off his thumbs and great toes." Nice guys. 1:2-6

# "They slew the Canaanites that inhabited Zephath, and utterly destroyed it ... And the Lord was with Judah." (You can tell by the number of innocent people he killed.) 1:17, 19

# The Israelite spies killed everyone in Bethel, except for the man (and his family) who showed them how to enter the city. 1:25

# Ehud delivers a "message from God" to the king of Moab. God's message consists of a knife thrust so deeply into the king's belly that it could not be extracted, "and the dirt came out." Just another lovely Bible story. 3:15-22

# God "delivers" more folks into the hands of his chosen people. "And they slew of Moab ... about 10,000 men ... and their escaped not a man." 3:28-29

# Shamgar kills 600 Philistines with an ox goad. Praise God. 3:31

# "The Lord discomfited Sisera ... with the edge of the sword ... and there was not a man left." 4:15-16

# Jael (our heroine) offers food and shelter to a traveler (Sisera, Jabin's captain), saying "turn in my Lord ... fear not." Then after giving him a glass of milk and tucking him in, she drives a tent stake through his head. "So God subdued on that day Jabin." 4:17-23

# For murdering her guest while he slept, Jael is "blessed above women." (Hail Jael, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women....?) 5:24-26

# "So let all thine enemies perish, O Lord." (Let them all have their temples pierced by blessed women.) 5:31

# When Gideon and his water-lapping companions blow their trumpets, God forces all the enemy soldiers to kill each other, killing 120,000. 7:22, 8:10

# Two princes are killed and their heads are brought to Gideon. 7:25

# For refusing to feed him and his army, Gideon tears the flesh off the elders of Succoth and kills the men of the city. 8:7, 16

# Gideon orders his son to kill two kings, but he refuses. So Gideon has to do it himself since his son isn't "man" enough to do it. 8:20

# Abimelech kills 69 brothers "upon one stone." (He was trying to get in the Guinness Book of World Records.) 9:5

# God sends evil spirits that cause humans to deal treacherously with each other. 9:23-24

# God smites Sihon and all his people and gives their land to Israel. 11:21

# "Whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we [the Israelites] possess." 11:24

# When "the spirit of the Lord" comes upon Jephthah, he makes a deal with God: If God will help him kill the Ammonites, then he (Jephthah) will offer to God as a burnt offering whatever comes out of his house to greet him. God keeps his end of the deal by providing Jephthah with "a very great slaughter." But when Jephthah returns, his nameless daughter comes out to greet him (who'd he expect, his wife?). Well, a deal's a deal, so he delivers her to God as a burnt offering -- after letting her spend a couple of months going up and down on the mountains bewailing her virginity. 11:29-39

# 42,000 men are killed because someone mispronounces "shibboleth." 12:6

# Samson rips up a young lion when "the spirit of the Lord came mightily upon him." Later, when going to "take" his Philistine wife he notices a swarm of bees and honey in the lion's carcass (a Divine miracle -- or just rotting flesh and maggots?). 14:5-8

# "And the spirit of the Lord came upon him [Samson], and he ... slew thirty men." (Samson might have been a decent person if he could have kept the spirit of the Lord off him.) 14:19

# Samson catches 300 foxes, ties their tails together, and sets them on fire; the Philistines burn Samson's ex-wife and father-in-law; and Samson smites them "hip and thigh with a great slaughter." 15:4-8

# "The spirit of the Lord came mightily upon" Samson and "he found a new jawbone of an ass ... and took it, and slew 1000 men therewith." 15:14-15

# Samson, with God's help, kills himself and 3000 Philistine men and women by causing a roof to collapse, setting an example for Bible-based terrorism. 16:27-30

# The Danites massacre the "quiet and secure" people of Laish. 18:27

# After taking in a traveling Levite, the host offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine to a mob of perverts (who want to have sex with his guest). The mob refuses the daughter, but accepts the concubine and they "abuse her all night." The next morning she crawls back to the doorstep and dies. The Levite puts her dead body on an ass and takes her home. Then he chops her body up into twelve pieces and sends them to each of the twelve tribes of Israel 19:22-30

# God tells the Israelites to send the tribe of Judah into battle and 22,000 men were killed by the Benjamites. 20:18, 21

# God tells Phinehas to fight against the Benjamites, saying he will deliver them into his hand. So the Israelites kill some more people for God. 20:38-41

# God tells them to go to battle again and another 18,000 are killed. 20:23, 25

# God helps the Israelites kill 25,100 Benjamites. 20:35

# The Israelites killed everyone in the city with the edge of the sword. 20:37

# Another 25,000 Benjamites are killed by the God-assisted Israelites. 20:44, 46

# The Israelites finish their massacre of the Benjamites by killing all the men, animals, and everything they could find in every Benjamite city. Then they burned the cities to the ground. (In this way God helped the Israelites make everything better after the rape and dismemberment of the concubine.) 20:48

# To find wives for the Benjamites (they were unwilling to use their own daughters), the other tribes attacked and killed all occupants of a city except for the young virgins. These virgins were then given to the Benjamites for wives. 21:7-23
1 Samuel

# "The Lord killeth ..." -- every chance he gets. 2:6, 2:25

# "The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them." If God doesn't like you, he'll send a thunderstorm your way to break your body into little pieces. 2:10

# God will kill those who sin against him. 2:25

# If you piss him off, God will cut off your arm, consume your eyes, grieve your heart, and kill your sons and grandfathers. 2:31-34

# God will punish Eli's descendants forever for the sins of Eli's sons. 3:12-13

# God smites the people of Ashdod with hemorrhoids "in their secret parts." 5:6-12

# God kills 50,070 men for looking into the ark. "And the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." 6:19

# "I make a covenant with your, that I may thrust out all your right eyes." Deals like this can only be found in the Bible. 11:2

# "And the spirit of God came upon Saul ... and he took a yoke of oxen, and hewed them in pieces, and sent them throughout all the coast of Israel." People do the darnedest things when the spirit of God comes upon them! 11:6-7

# "Saul ... slew the Ammorites unto the heat of the day." Then he took a little break. After all, killing is hard work. 11:11

# God delivers the Philistines into Jonathan's hand. And his very "first slaughter ... was about twenty men." Not bad for a first slaughter. 14:12

# Under God's influence, the Philistines killed each other. 14:20

# But later, Saul and his army kill all of those who had not already been killed. 14:36

# God orders Saul to kill all of the Amalekites: men, women, infants, sucklings, ox, sheep, camels, and asses. Why? Because God remembers what Amalek did hundreds of years ago. 15:2-3

# Saul killed everyone but Agag (the king) and the best of the animals. But still God was furious with Saul for not killing everything as he had been told to do. He said, "it repenteth me that I have set Saul up to be king." 15:7-26

# Saul is rebuked by Samuel for "doing evil in the sight of the Lord" by failing to kill all of the Amalekites. 15:18-19

# Because Saul didn't kill everyone as God commanded, God changes his mind about him being king. 15:23-26

# To please God, Samuel hacks Agag in pieces "before the Lord" [I bet God enjoyed that!] -- after Agag pleads with him saying, "surely the bitterness of death has past." 15:32-34

# After God rejects Saul for refusing to kill indiscriminately, he sends Samuel to find another king. David is chosen and anointed by Samuel, and "the spirit of the Lord came upon him from that day forward." 16:13

# The evil spirit from the Lord
"But the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul [since he was not murderous enough for God], and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him." But if God is good, then how could he have an evil spirit? 16:14-16, 23

# David kills Goliath with his sling, beheads him, and carries the head back to Jerusalem. 17:51-57

# David and Saul have a contest to see who can kill the most people for God, and the women act as cheerleaders saying, "Saul has killed his thousands, and David his tens of thousands." 18:6-7, 21:11, 29:5

# David kills 200 Philistines and brings their foreskins to Saul to buy his first wife (Saul's daughter Michal). Saul had only asked for 100 foreskins, but David was feeling generous. 18:25-27

# "David went out, and fought with the Philistines, and slew them with a great slaughter." 19:8
Pyotr
29-11-2006, 22:44
O ye that reject Faith!

109:2
I worship not that which ye worship,

109:3
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

109:4
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

109:5
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

109:6
To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 22:45
# Saul kills 85 priests of Nob and all men, women, children, and animals in the city of Nob. 22:18-19

# "David inquired of the Lord, saying, Shall I go and smite these Philistines? And the Lord said unto David, Go, and smite the Philistines ... So David smote them with a great slaughter." 23:2-5

# David vows to kill "any that pisseth against the wall." 25:22, 34

# "And it came to pass about ten days after, that the Lord smote Nabal, that he died." This was convenient for David who then took his property and his wife, Abigail. 25:38

# "And David smote the land and left neither man nor woman alive." (No wonder God liked David so much!) 27:8-11

# Saul visits a woman with a "familiar spirit" and she brings Samuel back from the dead. Samuel once again explains that God is angry at Saul for not killing all of the Amalekites. He says God is going to deliver all of Israel into the hands of the Philistines. (Since Saul refused to slaughter innocent people, God will slaughter the Israelites. Fair is fair.) 28:8-19

# David spends the day killing more of those pesky Amalekites. They are completely wiped out again. (See 1 Sam.15:7-8, 20 and 27:8-9 for the last two times that they were exterminated.) 30:17
2 Samuel

# David tells one of his "young men" to kill the Amalekite messenger who claimed to have mercifully killed Saul at Saul's own request. 1:15

# Joab and Abner watch as the young men "play" a cruel game. "And they caught every one his fellow by the head, and thrust his sword in his fellow side, so they fell down together." 2:14

# Abner smites Asahel "under the fifth rib." 2:23
(It seems that in 2 Samuel this is the preferred place to get smitten. 3:27, 4:6, 20:10)

# When Joab (David's captain) kills Abner (by smiting him under the fifth rib of course), David says that he and his kingdom are not responsible. The blame, he says, lays with Joab. So David curses Joab, his family, and their descendants forever. Let them all be plagued with venereal diseases and leprosy, starve to death, commit suicide, or lean on staves. (The Revised Standard Version translates "leaneth on a staff" as "holds a spindle," apparently meaning effeminate -- real men don't spin or weave.) 3:27-29

# Some of David's men kill Saul's son (by smiting him under the fifth rib, of course) and bring his head to David, thinking that he'll be pleased. But he wasn't. David has the assassins killed, their hands and feet chopped off, and their bodies hung up (for decorations?) over the pool in Hebron. 4:6-7

# Whoever kills the lame and the blind will be David's "chief and captain." 5:8

# "David ... grew great, and the LORD God of hosts was with him." 5:10

# David asks God if he should kill some more Philistines. God says yes, and he'll even help. So David and God "smote the Philistines" again. 5:19, 25

# Uzzah tries to keep the ark from falling off the cart, and God kills him for it. I guess it was God's way of saying Thanks. 6:6-7

# David kills two thirds of the Moabites and makes the rest slaves. He also cripples the captured horses. 8:2-4

# "David slew of the Syrians two and twenty thousand men ... and the Lord preserved David withersoever he went." 8:5-6, 14

# David tells Joab (his captain) to send Bathsheba's husband (Uriah) to "the forefront of the hottest battle ... that he may be smitten and die." In this way, David gets another wife. 11:15, 11:17, 11:27

# To punish David for having Uriah killed, God kills Bathsheba's baby boy. 12:14-18

# David saws, hacks, and burns to death all the inhabitants of several cities. Maybe this is what is meant by "the tender mercies of David" (Acts 13:34). 12:31

# Absalom has his servants kill his brother for raping his sister. (This chapter, which includes incest, rape, murder, should be rated NC-17.) 13:28-29

# Poor Absalom gets his head caught in an oak tree, and before he can get free, Joab thrusts three darts through his heart. 18:14

# Amasa is viciously slaughtered by Joab, who "shed out his bowels to the ground ... And Amasa wallowed in blood in the midst of the highway." 20:10, 12

# "And they cut off the head of Sheba ... and cast it out to Joab." 20:21-22

# A famine is sent on David's kingdom for three years. When David asks God why, God answers: "It is for Saul, and his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. "So God sent a famine to punish a kingdom for something that a former king had done. 21:1

# To appease God and end the famine that was caused by his predecessor (Saul), David agrees to have seven of Saul's sons killed and hung up "unto the Lord." 21:6-9

# "He teacheth my hands to war." Might as well learn from an expert. 22:35

# "Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies." 22:41

# The chief of David's captains killed with his own spear 800 guys at one time. 23:8

# God offers David a choice of punishments for having conducted the census: 1) seven years of famine ( 1 Chr.21:1 says three years), 2) three months fleeing from enemies, or 3) three days of pestilence. David can't decide, so God chooses for him and sends a pestilence, killing 70,000 men (and probably around 200,000 women and children). 24:13
1 Kings

# In David's last words, he commands his son Solomon to murder Joab. 2:1-9

# Solomon has his brother (Adonijah) murdered. 2:24-25

# Solomon carries out the deathbed instructions of his father David by having Joab murdered. 2:29-34

# Solomon justifies the murder of Joab by saying that Joab also was a murderer, and that the blood of Joab's victims "shall therefore return upon the head of Joab, and upon the head of his seed for ever." 2:33

# But Solomon is not done murdering yet. He has Shimei murdered -- or as Solomon put it, "The Lord shall return thy wickedness upon thine own head." 2:44, 46

# When the ark of the covenant was brought into the temple, Solomon killed more animals than could be numbered. 8:5

# When dedicating the temple, Solomon kills 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. All this blood and gore must have made God very happy. 8:63

# Joab (David's captain) spent six months killing every male in Edom. 11:16

# King Josiah is prophesied to sacrifice the priests of the "high places" on their altars. And he does so in 2 Kg.23:20. Note that this is a guy who "did what was right in the eyes of the Lord" (2 Kg.22:2). 13:2

# Ever the playful spirit, God withers, and then restores, the hand of king Jeroboam. 13:4

# There were these two prophets. The first prophet lied to the second. To the punish the second for believing the first's lie, God sends a lion to kill him. Get it? 13:11-24

# God promises to "bring evil upon the house of Jerobaom," saying he will "cut off" anyone "that pisseth against the wall." Then, after he is done with them, their dead bodies will be eaten by dogs (if they are city dwellers) or fowls (if they are country folk). 14:10-12

# Baasha kills "all of the house of Jeroboam" leaving none "to breath." This slaughter was done "according to the word of the Lord." 15:29

# God says that "him that dieth of Baasha in the city shall the dogs eat; and him that dieth of his in the fields shall the fowls of the air eat." 16:4

# Zimri kills everyone "that pisseth against a wall ... according to the word of the Lord." 16:11-12

# When Hiel rebuilds Jericho, he lays the foundation with the body of his oldest son and sets up the gates with his youngest son's body "according to the word of the Lord." 16:34

# Elijah kills 450 prophets of Baal. 18:22, 40

# God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites hands, and 100,000 were killed in one day. Of those that escaped, 27,000 were crushed by a falling wall. 20:28-30

# There was this son of a prophet that said to his neighbor, "kill me." But the neighbor refused. So God sent a lion to devour him. 20:35

# The prophet tells king Ahab that he, and his people, shall be punished for releasing Ben-hadad: "Your life shall go for his life, and your people for his people." 20:42

# Although Naboth was set up here by Jezebel to steal his land, the text assumes that the proper punishment for "blaspheming God and the king" is death by stoning. 21:10-13

# "Thus saith the Lord, in the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood, even thine." 21:19

# God will "bring evil upon" Ahab and "cut off" all those "that pisseth against the wall." 21:21

# Jezebel (Ahab's "strange" wife) "stirred up" Ahab to "work wickedness in the sight of the Lord." To punish her, God will feed her dead body to the dogs. (He also plans to feed the city folk to the dogs and country folks to the birds.) 21:23-25

# Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
2 Kings

# Ahaziah was sick and sent messengers to Baalzebub to ask if he would recover. God was jealous of the attention given to his competitor and tells Ahaziah that he will die for asking the wrong god. 1:4, 17

# Elijah shows that he is "a man of God" by burning 102 men to death. 1:9-12

# God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head. 2:23-24

# God instructs the Israelites, through the prophet Elisha, to implement a scorched earth policy on the Moabites. "Strike every fortified city and every choice city, and fell every good tree and stop all springs of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones." 3:19-25

# In a desperate attempt to halt the slaughter of his people by the Israelites, the king of Moab sacrifices his oldest son as a burnt offering. And it seems to have worked! 3:27

# Elisha not only can cure leprosy, he can also dish it out. Here he makes his servant (Gehazi) and all his descendants lepers forever. 5:27

# "So we boiled my son, and did eat him." Women killed, boiled and ate their own children because of a plague that God sent, or as the Bible puts it: "Behold, this evil is of the Lord." 6:28-29, 33

# A man is trampled to death for disbelieving Elisha. 7:17-20

# God sends a famine on the people that lasts for seven years. 8:1

# God says that the "whole house of Ahab shall perish," and that he "will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall." 9:8

# "And the dogs shall eat Jezebel ... and there shall be none to bury her." 9:10

# Jehu shoots an arrow right through poor old Jehoram's heart. 9:24

# God has Jezebel thrown off a wall. Her blood is sprinkled on the wall and on the horses, by which she is trampled. Her body is eaten by dogs and all that remains of it is her hands, feet, and skull. God says that she "shall be as dung upon the face of the field." 9:33-37

# All seventy of king Ahab's sons are killed, their heads put in baskets, and sent to Jezreel. He says, "Lay ye them in two heaps ..." 10:7-8

# Jehu kills all that remained of king Ahab's family. 10:11

# Jehu captures and then murders 42 men. 10:14

# Jehu shows off his zeal for the Lord by murdering "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria, till he had destroyed him according to the word of the Lord." 10:16-17

# Jehu lied to the followers of Baal so that he could trap and kill them. 10:19

# Jehu warns his guards saying, "If any of the men escape, he that letteth him go, his life shall be for the life of him." 10:24

# Jehu, when he finishes his animal sacrifices, orders his men to "Go in, and slay them, let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword." 10:25

# God is greatly pleased with all of Jehu's killings, saying "because thou hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart [Jehu murdered them all], thy children of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." 10:30

# Jehu captures and then murders 42 men. 10:42

# When Athaliah "saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all of the seed royal." 11:1

# The priest has Athaliah and her followers killed. 11:15-16

# The "Lord's people" destroyed the "house of Baal" and killed "the priest of Baal before the altars." 11:17-18

# Amaziah "did that which was right in the sight of the Lord" and killed ten thousand Edomites. 14:3, 7

# God strikes king Azariah with leprosy "unto the day of his death" for not removing the high places. 15:5

# King Menahem rips up all the pregnant women in Tizzah "because they opened not to him." Does God approve of such acts? It's impossible to tell from this passage; the mass murder is simply reported without editorial comment. 15:16

# God sent lions to devour the foreigners in Samaria because "they feared not the Lord," and even worse "they knew not the manner of the God of the land." Well that'll teach them about God's manners. 17:25-26

# An "angel of the Lord" kills 185,000 men while they sleep. "And when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses." I guess they all woke up and said, "Shucks, I'm dead." 19:35

# Josiah, apparently with God's approval, kills "all the priests of the high places" and sacrifices them to God on their altars. Note that this is a guy who "did what was right in the eyes of the Lord" (2 Kg.22:2). 23:20

# Even though Josiah did all that God asked of him, God still punished him and all Jerusalem for the acts of his grandfather. 23:26
1 Chronicles

# God killed Er for being "evil in the sight of the Lord." 2:3

# The sons of Reuben made war with the Hagarites and "there fell down many slain, because the war was from God." They did pretty well for themselves, too, in God's war, taking 250,000 sheep and 100,000 slaves. 5:18-22

# But the Israelites "transgressed against the God of their fathers, and went a whoring after the gods of the people of the land, whom God destroyed before them." So God inspired the Assyrians to go to war with the Israelites. 5:25-26

# Saul died for refusing God's order to kill all of the Amalekites (15:2-3, 18-19) and for consulting a witch (1 Sam.28:8-19). 10:13-14

# The chief of David's captains killed with his own spear 300 guys at one time. 11:11

# God kills Uzza for trying to keep the ark from falling. 13:9-10

# David kills 7000 men in chariots and 40,000 footmen. 19:18

# David's army "wastes the children of Ammon ... besieged Rabbah ... and destroyed it." 20:1

# David tortures all the inhabitants of several cities "with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes." 20:3

# God kills 70,000 men because David had a census. 21:7
2 Chronicles

# Solomon, when dedicating the temple, killed 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. All the blood, guts, pain, and suffering must have made God very happy. 7:5

# God kills the king of Israel and helps Abijah kill 500,000 Israelites. "The children of Judah prevailed, because they relied upon the Lord God of their fathers." (That is, they had God on their side.) 13:15-20

# In the largest single God-assisted massacre in the bible, Asa, with God's help, kills one million Ethiopians. 14:8-14

# "Nation was destroyed of nation, and city of city: for God did vex them with all adversity." 15:6

# Whoever that does not seek the God of Israel should be executed. 15:13

# God inspired Jehoram's enemies to steal his wives and children. Then he made Jehoram so sick that his bowels fell out. 21:14-19

# Only Levites can enter "the house of the Lord". "Whosoever else cometh into the house, he shall be put to death." 23:6-7

# God told Jehu to kill everyone in the house of Ahab (and then later condemned him for it (Hosea 1:4)). 22:7-9

# The priest (Jehoiada) tells the people to kill Athaliah and her followers. So they find her and kill her. "And all the people of the land rejoiced: and the city was quiet, after that they had slain Athaliah with the sword." (Don't you just love happy endings?) 23:14-15, 21

# "Then all the people went to the house of Baal" and broke its altar into pieces and killed Mattan the priest of Baal. 23:17

# Amaziah (who "did that which was right in the sight of the Lord") killed 10,000 people; another 10,000 he left alive to throw off a cliff "that they all were broken in pieces." 25:1-2, 11-12

# God makes Uzziah a leper for burning incense without a license. 26:19-21

# Pekah killed 120,000 people in one day and enslaves 200,000 women and children "because they had forsaken the Lord God of their fathers." 28:6, 8

# The priests kill bullocks, rams, and lambs. The blood of the dead animals is then sprinkled on the altars. 29:22, 24

# God sent an angel to kill the Assyrian army. (According to 2 Kg.19:35 the angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers who woke the next morning to discover that they were dead.) 32:21

# God vows to "bring evil upon this place ... even all the curses that are written in the book." He says his "wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched." 34:24-25, 28

# God gets angry with his people, so he sends the king of the Chaldees to kill all the "young men with the sword." He has compassion for no one, not even old men that are "stooped for age." In his tender mercy and loving kindness he has them all slaughtered. 36:16-17
Esther

# Esther has two men "hanged on a tree." 2:22-23

# Esther has another man (Haman) hung. 7:6, 10

# Esther suggests that the ten sons of Haman should also be hanged. So "they hanged Haman's ten sons. 9:13-14

# The Jews kill 75,000. 9:16
Job

# To start off God and Satan's gruesome game, Job's slaves and animals are killed. 1:14-17

# God (or Satan -- it's hard to tell them apart) sends a wind that kills Job's sons and daughters. 1:18-19

# "So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown." 2:7

# Because of God's cruel wager with Satan, Job curses the day he was born. 3:1-3, 11

# God terrorizes people with arrows and poison. 6:4

# God terrifies people by sending them nightmares while they sleep. 7:14

# Speaking of God, Job says: "He teareth me in his wrath, who hateth me: he gnasheth upon me with his teeth." 16:9
Psalms

# If you ask God, he'll force heathens to be your slaves and help you "dash them in pieces." 2:8-9

# God has smitten his "enemies upon the cheek bone" and has "broken the teeth of the ungodly." 3:7

# Kiss the Son or God will get angry and might have to kill you. 2:12

# Christians often say that one should love the sinner but hate the sin. Perhaps, but God hates sinners and plans to destroy them. 5:5-6

# God has prepared deadly weapons (swords, bows, etc.) and plans to use them. 7:11-13

# If you pray to God, he will kill your enemies for you. 9:3-6

# God will rain fire and brimstone on "wicked" folks. 11:6

# The God of peace teaches us how to kill our neighbors in war. 18:34

# If you make God angry, he'll burn you and your children to death. 21:9-10

# God will shoot his adversaries in the back with his arrows. 21:12

# A sweet prayer for the destruction of one's enemies: Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.... Let destruction come upon him at unawares." 35:6,8

# God laughs at those that he will later torment. 37:13

# If you forget God, God will tear you into pieces. 50:22

# If you don't trust in God, he'll kill you and while you're dying the "righteous" will laugh at you. 52:5-7

# Referring to his enemies, the psalmist says: "Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell." 55:15

# The psalmist devoutly prays: "Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth ... let them be cut in pieces." 58:6-7

# The psalmist asks God to kill all "the heathen" and not show them any mercy. 59:5

# God will laugh at the heathen as he kills them. 59:8

# "The righteous" will rejoice when he sees "the wicked" being dismembered by God. He'll even get a chance to wash his feet in their blood. Now that's entertainment! 58:10

# "The God of mercy" will let the psalmist see his enemies tormented. 59:10

# "Consume them in thy wrath, consume them." -- more sweet prayers to a savage god. 59:13

# God will "wound the head of his enemies" so that the righteous can wash their feet "in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." 68:21, 23

# The psalmist prays that his enemies be tormented and blinded by God. He asks God to "make their loins continually to shake." 69:23-28

# "The LORD heard this" (he had his hearing aid on) and became angry, and burned people "because they believed not in God." 78:21-22

# "The wrath of God came upon them" and God killed many of the Israelites for not believing in "his wondrous works." 78:31-34

# The psalmist asks God to " do unto them as unto the Midianites ... which became as dung for the earth." 83:9-18

# If you don't follow God's commandments, he will beat you with a rod. 89:31-32

# "I will ... destroy all the wicked of the land." 101:8

# God gives the lions their meat. The cruelty and brutality of nature are all part of God's plan. 104:21

# The psalmist recounts God's treatment of the Egyptians: "He smote the firstborn in their land." See Ex.12:29-30 for the gory details. 105:29-36

# God is praised for the creative ways that he kills people: drowning, earth-swallowing, burning, etc. 106:11-19

# God sent a plague on the Israelites for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab." But "then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment [by throwing a spear through a newly married couple]: and so the plague was stayed." But not before 24,000 (1 Cor.10:8 says 23,000) had died. (See Num.25:6-9 for all the gory details.) 106:29-30

# The psalmist asks God to do all sorts of unpleasant things to his enemies. "Set thou a wicked man over him; and let Satan stand at his right hand .... Let his prayer become sin." He asks God to take away his possessions, kill him, and have his children suffer for the sins of their fathers. 109:6-14

# God will "fill the places with dead bodies" of heathens. 110:6

# God is praised for slaughtering kings, nations, and little babies. 135:8, 10

# "To him that smote Egypt in their first born: for his mercy endures forever." 136:10

# God "overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever." 136:15

# God "smote great kings: for his mercy endureth for ever." 136:17-18

# "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." 137:9

# The psalmist excels at hating. He hates people with a "perfect hatred" and asks God to kill them. 139:19-22

# A prayer that God will burn people to death. 140:10

# The God of Peace teaches us to kill each other in war. 144:1

# he saints praise God while they kill and enslave "the heathen." 149:5-8
Proverbs

# Beating your children with a rod is a sure sign of parental love. 13:24

# God made bad people for the pleasure of punishing them. 16:4

# Fools are meant to be beaten. 18:6

# Beat your children and don't stop just because they cry. 19:18

# Scorners (skeptics?) should be condemned; fools should be beaten. 19:29

# "The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly." 20:30

# "The wicked shall be a ransom for the righteous." 21:18

# Beating your children will make them less foolish. Have you beaten your child today? 22:15

# Beat your children hard and often. Don't worry about hurting them. You may break a few bones and cause some brain damage, but it isn't going to kill them. And even if they do die, they'll be better off. They'll thank you in heaven for beating the hell out of them. 23:13-14

# Whip horses and strike the backs of foolish people with rods. 26:3

# Beating your children will make them wise. 29:15

# Beat your servants (slaves), as though they were your children. 29:19

# If you mock your father or disobey your mother, the ravens will pick out your eyeballs and the eagles will eat them. 30:17

# "The wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood." 30:33
Isaiah

# "And ... instead of a sweet smell there shall be stink," with people suffering from baldness and burnings, and the men killed with swords. 3:24-25

# After God "washed away the filth" from the women and killed the men, he set up "a cloud and smoke by day" and a "flaming fire by night." 4:4-5

# God will kill those who despise his word and fail to follow his laws. Their carcasses will be "torn in the midst of the streets." 5:24-25

# If you associate or gird yourself, God will break you in pieces. 8:9

# God will have no mercy on the widows and children of hypocrites. 9:17

# God will make every man kill his brother and then force him to eat "the flesh of his own arm." 9:19-20

# God will "smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked." 11:4

# "I have commanded my sanctified ones ... to destroy the whole land." God has his holy ones do his dirty work for him. 13:3-5

# On God's day he will kill sinners with great anger, wrath, and cruelty. Those who die will have their faces consumed by flames. 13:6-9

# If God can find you, he will "thrust you through," smash your children "to pieces" before your eyes, and rape your wife. He will have no mercy, but will even kill your little children. 13:15-18

# God will slaughter children "for the iniquity of their fathers." 14:21

# After God destroys Moab, the rivers will be red with blood. He will send lions to eat any survivors. 15:9

# The God of Peace will set brother against brother and kingdom against kingdom. Then he'll make the survivors seed the counsel of "wizards," and subject them to a "cruel lord." 19:2-4

# The Apocalypse of Isaiah: God will destroy the earth, burning everyone and every living thing alive (except maybe a few men). 24:1-6

# "And the people shall ... be burned in the fire." 33:12

# God is furious at everyone and is ready to kill them all. Or as Isaiah so delicately puts it: "Their stink shall come up out of their carcasses, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood." 34:2-3

# God's sword "will be bathed in heaven." Sounds like a place to stay away from. 34:5

# God's sword is "filled with blood," and he fully intends to use it. He'll kill so many people with it that the "land shall be soaked with blood." 34:6-8

# An angel of God kills 185,000 men. "And when they [those killed by the angel?] arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead men." 37:36

# God will "go forth as a mighty man" who cries and roars, and "will cry like a travailing woman." After he tires of roaring and crying he'll "destroy and devour." What a guy. 42:13

# God makes Egypt, Ethiopia, and Seba pay for Israel's sins. He says that he likes Israel better than any other country so he's willing to sacrifice other countries for the Israel's sake. 43:3-4

# No astrologer, stargazer, or prognosticator will be able to save those that God plans to burn to death. 47:13-14

# God "will do his pleasure on Babylon." (He will mercilessly slaughter the Babylonians.) 48:14

# "I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine." 49:26

# "The heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner." (God plans to destroy the universe.) 51:6

# "I will ... trample them in my fury; and their blood ... will stain all my raiment." (God's clothes will get stained with the blood of humans.) 63:2-6

# "God's servants" will eat, drink, and be merry; everyone else will be hungry, thirsty, and ashamed -- until God kills them, that is. 65:13-16

# God will "plead with all flesh" with fire and sword, "and the slain of the Lord shall be many." 66:16

# The carcasses of those killed by God will be piled high. They will rot and burn forever. And although their stench will be revolting to humans, it will be a sweet savour unto the Lord. 66:24
Jeremiah

# God tries to "correct" people by killing their children. 2:30

# Circumcise the foreskin of your heart or God will burn you to death. 4:4

# God will bring evil to entire cities, destroying them and wipe out all of their inhabitants. 4:6-7

# What was once fruitful is now barren. Birds have fled, people are gone, towns are in ruins. All "by his (God's) fierce anger." 4:25-26

# God sends plagues and violence to correct people. 5:3

# God will send lions and leopards to tear people into little bitty pieces. 5:6

# God will kill those who believe and preach the wrong doctrines. 5:12-13

# God again talks of bringing a foreign nation to destroy his chosen ones and their lands. 5:15-17

# "I am full of the fury of the Lord; I am weary of holding it in." He's anxious to "pour it out" on children, young men, husbands, wives, and old people. 6:11-12

# God threatens to punish the men by taking away all of their property, including their wives, and giving them to others. 6:12

# God plans to kill pretty much everyone: fathers and sons, family, friends, and neighbors. God plans to kill them all after laying a stumbling block before them. 6:21

# God will send soldiers from the north that will kill everyone and have no mercy. 6:22-23

# God will pour out his anger on both man and beast. Not even the trees will be spared from his wrath. And the ground itself will burn forever. 7:20

# God will feed the people to the birds and the beasts, "and none shall fray them away." 7:33

# God will cover the earth with dead bodies that will not be buried. "They shall be for dung upon the face of the earth." 8:2

# People will choose to kill themselves, rather than be killed by their vicious God. 8:3

# God will give the people bad food and water, and then kill them with a sword. 9:15-16

# God will kill children and young men, and the dead bodies "shall fall as dung .... and none shall gather them." 9:21-22

# "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised." I guess that'd include just about everyone -- well, all the men anyway. 9:25-26

# Jeremiah prays for the destruction of people and families that don't call on God's name. 10:25

# God "will bring evil upon" people from which they will not be able to escape. And if they cry out to him for help, he will not help them. 11:11

# God forbids others from praying for his victims. Such prayers would go unanswered anyway, he says, because he "will not hear them in their time of trouble." 11:14

# God will punish the people by killing their young men in war and starving their children to death. 11:22

# Jeremiah asks God to drag away his enemies like "sheep for the slaughter." 12:3

# God delivered his people "into the hand of her enemies." He "hates" his "dearly beloved" people and plans to feed them to the birds. 12:7-9

# God's sword will "devour" everyone until "no flesh shall have peace." 12:12

# If any nation does not listen to God, he "will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation." 12:17

# God plans to make everyone in the kingdom drunk and then "dash the fathers and the sons together." The merciful God of Peace vows to "not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them." 13:13-14

# God tells Jeremiah not to pray for the people. God has decided to kill them all and he doesn't want to be talked out of it. 14:11

# God will ignore the peoples' prayers, and kill them all with war, starvation, and disease. 14:12

# God will destroy by famine and sword those who are misled by the prophets, as well as the prophets themselves. 14:15-16

# God tells Jeremiah not to bother praying for the people. Even if Moses and Samuel (and Jesus?) were to ask him to reconsider, he wouldn't. He's going to kill everybody and nobody can stop him! 15:1

# God plans to do four things to his people: 1) kill them with swords, 2) tear their flesh with dogs, 3) have the birds, and 4) the beasts eat their bodies. Why will he do these terrible things? Because of something some former king did. 15:2-4

# God again threatens Jerusalem with mass destruction. Here are some of the highlights: He will kill children, make more widows than there are grains of sand, terrorize cities, and then kill the survivors. 15:7-9

# God will have you enslaved and, if you make him mad enough, he will burn you to death. 15:14

# God tells Jeremiah not to get married or have children, because he's going to kill everyone (mothers and daughters, fathers and sons). They all "shall die of grievous deaths," and that shall neither "be lamented" nor buried, but "shall be as dung upon the face of the earth." For he has removed peace, "lovingkindness," and mercy from the people. 16:1-7
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29-11-2006, 22:45
I wish there actually was a religion that had the balls to just say "Fuck it, Kill all unbleivers and rape their women". That would make things so much simpler. People could post about it and it wouldn't turn into such a flaming mess.
Fleckenstein
29-11-2006, 22:45
Beats me. :confused:

Think about what happens when 'finger' changes meaning . . . ;)
New Maastricht
29-11-2006, 22:46
Congratulations are in order to everyone, award yourselves 10 points each. Not only did you destroy this thread before it began, but you succeeded in starting a thread concerning which kinds of sock puppets are best, and which refreshments are best when viewing stupid threads such as this. :p
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 22:46
# God will kill children if their parents worship other gods. 16:10-11

# If you don't honor the Sabbath, God will burn you to death unquenchable fire. 17:27

# God admits that he does evil things to people. 18:11

# Jeremiah asks God to kill the young men in war and the children by starvation. 18:21

# God will do so much evil to the people that whoever hears of it will have their ears tingle. 19:3

# God will make parents eat their own children, "and they shall eat everyone the flesh of his friend." 19:7-9

# God will break those who worship other gods as though they were made of clay, killing so many that there will not be enough room to bury them all. 19:11-13

# "For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will make thee a terror to thyself, and to all thy friends: and they shall fall by the sword of their enemies, and thine eyes shall behold it." 20:4

# God himself will fight and kill everyone in fury "with an outstretched hand and with a strong arm." 21:5

# "I will smite the inhabitants of this city, both man and beast: they shall die of a great pestilence." 21:6

# God will deliver Zedekiah and those that survive the famine, disease, and war into Nebuchadrezzar's hand, and "he shall smite them with the edge of the sword; he shall not spare them, neither have pity, nor have mercy. 21:7

# God tells the Judeans to either surrender to the Babylonians and become their slaves or die. "Behold, I am against thee." No kidding. 21:9-13

# God will have Jeconiah's enemies kill him and his mother and then ensure that he die without leaving any sons. 22:25-30

# God promises to kill everyone by war, starvation, and disease. 24:10

# God will force "all the kingdoms of the world" to drink "and be drunken". Then he'll kill "all the inhabitants of the earth" with a sword. 25:26-29

# God will kill so many people that the entire earth will be covered with their dead bodies. No one is to mourn them or even bury them; "they shall be dung upon the ground." 25:31-33

# God will destroy "the peaceable habitations" and make the land desolate "because of his fierce anger." 25:37-38

# Anyone who disobeys King Nebuchadnezzar will be punished "with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand." 27:8

# God kills Hananiah for prophesying falsely. 28:15-17

# God will send his usual blessings upon his people: "the sword, the famine, and the pestilence." He "will make them like vile figs, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil." 29:17-18

# God will kill those who refuse listen to his prophets. 29:19

# God will deliver Ahab and Zedekiah into the hands of Nebuchadrezzar "and he shall slay them before your eyes" and Ahab will be "roasted in the fire." 29:21-22

# God will punish the children of Shemaiah for their father's false prophecy. 29:32

# God litters the ground "with the dead bodies of men" that he has killed in his anger and fury. 33:5

# God threatens again to send his people the sword, pestilence, and famine, saying he'll feed their dead bodies to the fowls and beasts of the earth. 34:17-20

# All those who move to Egypt will die by the sword, famine, or pestilence. None "shall escape from the evil" that comes directly from God. 42:15-18, 22

# When God pours forth his fury and his anger, entire cities are destroyed. 44:6

# God's not finished with Judah. He will bring more evil upon them. Even those Jews that flee to Egypt will not be spared. God will hunt them down and kill them all with war, famine, and disease. 44:11-13

# "I will watch over them for evil, and not for good." 44:27

# God says he will bring evil upon all flesh. 45:5

# The day of the Lord will be "a day of vengeance." On that day God's sword will become drunk with blood. 46:10

# God plans to drown the Philistines in a flood, and "all the men shall cry, and all the inhabitants of the land shall howl." 47:2

# God plans to kill just about everybody. "No city shall escape." 48:8

# "Cursed by he that keepeth back his sword from blood." 48:10

# God will destroy everyone in Moab. Fire will burn their heads, and their sons and daughters will be taken captive. 48:42-47

# God will cause the daughters of Rabbah to be burned with fire. 49:2

# God will send such marvelous plagues on Edom that everyone will hiss in astonishment. 49:17

# God plans to "bring evil upon" the people of Elam. He says he'll kill them all with a sword. 49:37

# God says to do the usual thing to the inhabitants of "the land of Merathaim": kill them all. 50:21

# God commands that all Babylonian bullocks be slaughtered, that archers shoot all Babylonians, and that all their men be killed in war. 50:27-30

# God, the pyromaniac, will personally set the fires that will burn to death the inhabitants of entire cities. 50:32

# God plans to kill all the Babylonian horses, and to make the Babylonian men "become like women." (A fate worse than death to a misogynous god.). 50:37

# God wants us to be his "battle axe and weapons of war" to "break in pieces the nations" and "destroy kingdoms." 51:20

# God will "break in pieces" nations and kingdoms, horse and rider, man and woman, old and young, young man and maid, the shepherd and his flock, husbandman and his yoke of oxen, captain and kings. It seems that God intends to break us all into pieces. 51:21-23

# God will get the Babylonians drunk and then kill them all, leading them "like lambs to the slaughter." 51:39-40
Lamentations

# God tramples "as in a winepress" mighty men, young men, and virgins. 1:15-16

# "The Lord Was an enemy." 2:4-8

# God mercilessly kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children. 2:20-22

# God is like a bear or a lion who secretly pursues you and then tears you apart. 3:10-11

# "Give them sorrow of heart, thy curse unto them. Persecute and destroy them in anger." 3:63-64

# God punishes the Israelites by starving their children to death. 4:4-9

# God "accomplishes his fury" by making women eat their children. 4:10-11
Ezekiel

# If a good person does something wrong after God "lays a stumbling block before him," then God will kill him. "He shall die in his sin" and whatever good he has done will be forgotten. 3:20

# God will cause the fathers to eat their sons and the sons to eat their fathers. 5:10

# God will slaughter everyone by killing one third with plagues, one third with famines, and one third with wars. If any somehow survive, he'll send "evil beasts" to devour them. Finally, after he's done killing, he "will be comforted." 5:11-17

# God will decorate the land with the bones and dead bodies of those who worship a different god. 6:4-5

# God makes his presence known by killing people with famine, disease, and war. 6:7-14

# God will pour out his fury on everyone, with pity toward none. By so doing he says that "ye shall know that I am the Lord that smiteth." Indeed, who would else would behave so viciously? 7:3-9

# God's is mad at everyone and no one will escape his wrath. He'll kill them all with war, disease, and starvation. "Horror shall cover them" and "they shall know that I am the Lord." 7:14-28

# God promises again to slaughter everyone. He says that he will ignore them when they plead with him for mercy. 8:18

# God sends a "man clothed with linen" to mark the foreheads of the men who will be saved. Apparently only men are considered good enough to keep, the others (unmarked men, "maids", little children, and women) are to be slaughtered. God says he'll "fill the courts with the slain" and will have pity on no one. 9:4-10

# When you fall by the sword, you'll know that he is the Lord. 11:8-12

# When God kills everyone in the city, then you'll know that he is the Lord. (Who else would be so cruel?) 12:15-16, 20

# God gets mad at a wall and destroys it, along with those who worked on it. 13:14-15

# God again vows to destroy those that dare worship something or someone other than him. 14:6-8

# God deceives some of his prophets and then kills them for believing his lies. 14:9

# When really bad things happen (like you get eaten by wild beasts, get killed in war, get sick and die, etc.), then you'll know that it was God that did it to you. 14:13, 15, 19, 21

# God will burn the inhabitants of Jerusalem to show everyone that he is the Lord. 15:6-7

# For being such a whore, God punished Jerusalem by starving the Israelites and handing them over to the Philistines. 16:17

# After exposing her nakedness, God will give her "blood in fury and jealousy" and strip her naked once more. 16:38-41

# God gave the Israelites "statutes that were not good and judgments whereby they should not live." He "polluted" them so that he "might make them desolate" and force them to kill and sacrifice their children "that they might know" that he is the Lord. 20:25-26

# God will set a fire in the southern kingdom that will devour everything and burn everyone. "And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it." 20:47-48

# God will kill everyone -- good and bad, just and unjust. 21:3-4

# God describes the various ways that he will kill people. 21:8-32

# "Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land ... for I the LORD have spoken it." 21:32

# God will gather all of Israel and consume them in the fires of his anger. 22:20-22

# God couldn't find anyone to stand up to him, so he's going to destroy everyone. 22:30-31

# Two sisters were guilty of "committing whoredoms" by pressing their breasts and bruising "the teats of their virginity." As a punishment, one sister's nakedness was discovered, her children were taken from her, and she was killed by the sword. And the fate of the surviving sister was even worse: Her nose and ears were cut off, she was made to "pluck off" her own breasts, and then after being raped and mutilated, she is stoned to death. 23:1-49

# God gets all excited about cooking with "scum" and human flesh, saying "kindle the fire, consume the flesh, and spice it well, and let the bones be burned." 24:3-14

# God kills Ezekiel's wife and then tells him not to mourn her. 24:15-18

# God will kill everyone that claps his hands or stamps his feet "against the land of Israel." When he's done with the killing everyone will know that he is the Lord. 25:6-17

# God says he will destroy Tyrus. He plans to kill everyone, but he is especially looking forward to killing all of the women. "And her daughters which are in the field shall be slain by the sword; and they shall know that I am the LORD." 26:1-21

# Now God has singled out the king of Tyre for his tirades. 28:7-10, 18-19

# Watch out or God will make you "die the deaths of the uncircumcised," which is, no doubt, a most unpleasant death. 28:10

# God says that Zidon will know that he is the Lord when he sends "pestilence and blood into her streets." 28:22-23

# God tells Ezekiel to prophesy against the pharaoh and against all Egypt. God says he will feed the Egyptians to the birds and beasts. 29:2-5

# God makes "all their loins to be at a stand." When this is achieved, God will get out his sword and "cut off man and beast out of thee." Ouch! 29:7-9

# God will punish Egypt and her allies by sending Nebuchadrezzar to "fill the land with the slain." Then he will make "the rivers dry," sell the land to "the wicked," make "the land waste," light fires, and kill all their young men with the sword. 30:4-26

# "And they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have set a fire in Egypt." (The Divine Pyromaniac) 30:8, 30:14, 30:16

# God will treat Pharaoh like a whale fished out of the sea. Every bird and beast in the world will feed upon him. 32:3-6

# God will vex the hearts of many people, destroy entire nations, brandish his sword, kill animals, and cause floods. In this way people will come to know him (just before he kills them?). 32:9-15

# God takes a break from killing people while he kills all the animals in Egypt. 32:13

# Pharaoh and all his multitude, along with the uncircumcised, will be killed with the sword. 32:20-32

# If a "righteous" person does something wrong, God will forget every good thing that that person has ever done. Then God will kill him for the single mistake. 33:13

# God plans some more killing by the sword, beasts, and the pestilence. 33:27-29

# God will kill everyone in the cities, "and thou shalt know that I am the LORD." 35:3-4

# "And I will fill his mountains with his slain men, and ye shalt know that I am the LORD." 35:6-9

# God will return their own anger and hatred upon them, "and they shall know that I am the LORD." 35:11-15

# Someday the God of Peace will start a war between Gog and Israel. 38:16

# God will cause each man's sword to be against his brother; he will send disease and make it rain fire and brimstone. He says that by doing this he'll magnify and sanctify himself and let everyone know that he is the Lord. 38:21-23

# God will have birds and beasts eat human flesh and drink human blood until they are full and drunken. 39:4, 17-20, 28

# God "will send a fire on Magog ... and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord." 39:6-7

# God hid his face from the Israelites, refusing to hear their prayers, while giving "them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword." 39:23-24
Daniel

# Nebuchadnezzar, after first trying to burn to death the three Hebrews, now decrees that everyone who says anything against the Hebrew god "shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill." 3:29

# King Darius, after trying to feed Daniel to the lions, orders those who accused Daniel (and their wives and children) to be cast into the lion den. "And the lions ... brake all their bones in pieces." 6:24
Hosea

# God (or Hosea?) tells his children that their mother is a whore who is not his wife. He asks them to tell their mother to "put away her whoredoms" and "her adulteries from between her breasts" or he'll "strip her naked ... and slay her with thirst." 2:2-3

# God will tear up Ephraim like a lion so that "in their affliction they will seek me." 5:14

# "Woe unto them! for they have fled from me: destruction unto them!" 7:13

# For ignoring God "their princes shall fall by the sword." 7:16

# "I will send a fire upon his cities." 8:14

# God will induce miscarriages and kill the children of Ephraim. 9:11-12

# "O Lord: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts." 9:14

# "I will slay even the beloved fruit of their womb." 9:16

# God will punish Israel by "dashing" together mothers and their children. 10:14

# The blame for Ephraim's bloody destruction falls on Ephraim, not on God. Even though God is the one who brings it about. 12:14

# God will rip humans apart and then eat them like a lion.13:7-8

# Because the Samaritans chose to worship another deity, God will dash their infants to pieces and their "women with child shall be ripped up." 13:16
Joel

# "Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears." 3:10
Amos

# The divine pyromaniac threatens to "send fire unto" Hazael, Gaza, Tyrus, Teman, Rabbah, Moab, and Judah. 1:4, 7, 10, 12, 14; 2:2, 5

# God will "slay all the princes" of Moab.2:3

# God destroyed the Amorites who were a race of giants as tall as cedars and as strong as oaks. 2:9

# God afflicts the Israelites with "cleanness of teeth" (famine) and drought. And then he wonders why they don't turn to him. 4:6-9

# God sends the pestilence, kills young men with the sword, and makes t1e "stink of your camps to come up unto your nostrils." And yet God still wonders why the Israelites don't turn to him. 4:10

# God tells the Israelites to seek him or he'll kill 90% of them. 5:3-4

# Seek God or he'll burn you to death. 5:6

# When there is wailing and mourning, you'll know God's been there. 5:16-17

# In the first of Amos' visions, God makes some grasshoppers and sends them to devour the peoples' crops. 7:1-2

# Next God sends a fire that consumes both land and sea. 7:4

# God will kill the house of Jeroboam with the sword, and force the Israelites into captivity. 7:9-11

# Amos tells Amaziah that his wife will become a whore, his children will be killed, and he'll die in a pagan country. 7:17

# God tells Amos that the end has come for the people of Israel. He won't wait any longer to kill them all. 8:2

# God will kill so many people that dead bodies will lay everywhere. 8:3-14

# God will "slay the last of them with the sword." Any that try to escape by diving to the bottom of the sea will be bitten, at God's command, by a serpent. God will set his "eyes upon them for evil, not for good." 9:1-4

# God will destroy the "the sinful kingdom" and "all the sinners" among his people. 9:8-10
Obadiah

# The Israelites hear "a rumor from the Lord" telling them to start a war with the Edomites. 1, 8

# God tells Israelites to "destroy the wise men out of Edom" and to slaughter "everyone of the mount of Esau." 8-9

# God will burn all the heathen to death, "for the LORD hath spoken it." 16-18
Micah

# God will destroy Samaria with stones. 1:6

# Plucking off skin, flesh from bones, eating human flesh, flaying off skin, breaking bones, chopping bodies in pieces, making human stew. All this and more will happen to God's favorite people. But when they "cry unto the Lord, he will not hear them." 3:2-4

# God will strengthen the Israelites so they can "beat in pieces many peoples" and give the booty to God. 4:13

# "They shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword." 5:6

# Like a young lion "the remnant of Jacob" will tear the Gentiles to pieces. 5:8

# "Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off." 5:9

# God will "cut off" the witches and soothsayers. 5:11-12

# God will destroy entire cities, and "execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen such as they have not heard." 5:14-15

# God will make his people sick, hungry, and desolate. Those who survive he will "give up to the sword." 6:13-16

# The Gentiles will be made deaf, shall lick dust and be forced to crawl like worms from fear of God and his people. 7:16-17
Nahum

# God doesn't just get even. He drowns his enemies. 1:8

# "Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will burn her chariots." 2:13

# "There is a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcasses; and there is none end of their corpses; they stumble upon their corpses." Now that's a lot of dead people. 3:3

# God punished Nineveh by enslaving the people and smashing the little children in the streets. 3:10

# God says that "the fire shall devour thee, the sword shall cut thee off, it shall eat thee up like the cankerworm." 3:15

Habakkuk

# "Before him [God] went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet." 3:3-5

# Habakkuk praises God for slaughtering "the heathen." 3:12
Zephaniah

# God plans to kill every living thing. 1:2-3

# God will "cut off" all those who "have not sought the Lord" or who worship another god. 1:4-6

# God will "bring distress upon men" so that they "walk like blind men." He will pour out their blood like dust and "their flesh as dung." 1:17

# God will kill all the inhabitants of the sea coast. 2:5

# God will destroy Moab and Ammon just like he did to Sodom and Gomorrah. 2:9

# God will be "terrible" to humans and will "famish all the gods." 2:11

# God will kill the Ethiopians with his own sword. 2:12

# God destroyed entire cities, killing all the inhabitants. 3:6

# "All of the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy." 3:8
Haggai

# God will make the horses and their riders be killed by "the sword of his brother." 2:22
Zechariah

# "For I set all men every one against his neighbor." 8:10

# God will cast out Tyrus and devour it with fire. 9:4

# God will mercilessly "feed the flock of slaughter" by making every one kill his neighbor. 11:6

# "Let the rest eat every one the flesh of another." 11:9

# "Woe to the idle shepherd." He will be mutilated and blinded. 11:17

# God will open his eyes and smite "every rider with madness ... and every horse ... with blindness." 12:4

# A prophet must be killed by his own parents by "thrusting him through when he prophesieth." 13:3

# God will make "all nations" fight against Jerusalem. The women will be "ravished" and half its people enslaved. 14:1-2

# God will smite the people with plagues that will cause their flesh, eyes, and tongues to rot away. 14:12

# God will make everyone fight and kill his neighbor. 14:13

# God sends his plagues on animals too. 14:15

# Whoever survives all these plagues and slaughters must worship God. 14:16

# God will "smite the heathen" with a plague. 14:18
Malachi

# God continues to demand animal sacrifices. And not just any animals will do. He is insulted when blind, lame, or sick animals are killed for him. 1:8, 13-14

# God will burn "the wicked" and the "righteous" will walk around on their ashes. 4:1-3

# The Old Testament ends fittingly with these words: "lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." 4:6

# God will burn "the wicked" and the "righteous" will walk around on their ashes. 25:1-3
Matthew

# Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

# Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

# Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

# Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

# Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19

# "The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

# Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21

# Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

# Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

# Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

# Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28

# Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

# Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

# Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

# Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

# Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9

# "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34

# In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13

# Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

# God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51

# The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30

# Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41

# Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
Mark

# Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12

# Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13

# Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11

# Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10

# Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49

# Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16
Luke

# God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel's words. 1:20

# Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9

# John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17

# Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37

# Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15

# Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5

# Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47

# According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30

# In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man goes to hell, because as Abraham explains, he had a good life on earth and so now he will be tormented. Whereas Lazarus, who was miserable on earth, is now in heaven. This seems fair to Jesus. 16:19-31

# Jesus believed the story of Noah's ark. He thought it really happened and had no problem with the idea of God drowning everything and everybody. 17:26-27

# Jesus also believes the story about Noah's flood and Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32

# In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words of Jesus: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
John

# As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16

# People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36

# The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36

# Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14

# Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6

# Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66
Acts

# Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23

# Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10

# Peter has a dream in which God show him "wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls." The voice (God's?) says, "Rise, Peter: kill and eat." 10:10-13

# Peter describes the vision that he had in the last chapter (10:10-13). All kinds of beasts, creeping things, and fowls drop down from the sky in a big sheet, and a voice (God's, Satan's?) tells him to "Arise, Peter; slay and eat." 11:5-6

# The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23

# David was "a man after [God's] own heart." 13:22

# The author of Acts talks about the "sure mercies of David." But David was anything but merciful. For an example of his behavior see 2 Sam.12:31 and 1 Chr.20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of several cities. 13:34

# Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
Romans

# Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32

# The guilty are "justified" and "saved from wrath" by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9

# God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12
>1 Corinthians

# If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you. 3:17

# Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8

# If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake bites. 10:9

# If you murmur, you'll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10
Ephesians

# We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11

# God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn't do. 1:7

# The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2

# Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6
Colossians

# God bought us with someone else's blood. 1:14

# God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20
1 Thessalonians

# God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
2 Thessalonians

# Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9

# Jesus will "consume" the wicked "with the spirit of his mouth." 2:8

# God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
Hebrews

# God will not forgive us unless we shed the blood of some innocent creature. 9:13-14, 22

# Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29

# God ordered animals to be "stoned, or thrust through with a dart" if they "so much as ... touch the mountain." 12:20
James

# If you are merciless to others, God will be merciless to you. (Two wrongs make a right.) 2:13

# James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God); Paul (Rom.4:2-3) says he was justified by faith (for believing that God would order him to do such an evil act). 2:21
1 Peter

# We are all, according to Peter, predestined to be saved or damned. We have no say in the matter. It was all determined by "the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ."1:2

# "The precious blood of Christ ... was foreordained before the foundation of the world."
God planned to kill Jesus from the get-go. 1:19-20

# God drowned drowned everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. 3:20
2 Peter

# God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6

# God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7

# When Jesus returns, he'll burn up the whole earth and everything on it. 3:10
1 John

# Jesus' blood washes away human sin. 1:7
Jude

# "The Lord destroyed them that believed not. 5
Revelation

# Jesus "washed us ... with his own blood." 1:5

# Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7

# Jesus has "the keys of hell and death." 1:18

# Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth. (Like the limbless knight in Monty Python's "Holy Grail.") 2:16

# "I [Jesus] will kill her children with death." 2:23

# "Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God created predators, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11

# God gives someone on a white horse a bow and sends him out to conquer people. 6:2

# God gave power to someone on a red horse "to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another." 6:4

# God tells Death and Hell to kill one quarter of the earth's population with the sword, starvation, and "with the beasts of the earth." 6:8

# The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11

# God tells his murderous angels to "hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of your God on their foreheads." This verse is one that Christians like to use to show God's loving concern for the environment. But the previous verse (7:2) makes it clear that it was their God-given job to "hurt the earth and the sea" just as soon as they finished their forehead marking job. 7:3

# 144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4

# Those that survive the great tribulation will get to wash their clothes in the blood of the lamb. 7:14

# God sends his angels to destroy a third part of all the trees, grass, sea creature, mountains, sun, moon, starts, and water. 8:7-13

# "Many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." 8:11

# The angels are instructed not to "hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads." God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won't let them. 9:4-6

# God makes some horse-like locusts with human heads, women's hair, lion's teeth, and scorpion's tails. They sting people and hurt them for five months. 9:7-10

# Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19

# Anyone that messes with God's two olive trees and two candlesticks (God's witnesses) will be burned to death by fire that comes out of their mouths. 11:3-5

# God's witnesses have special powers. They can shut up heaven so that it cannot rain, turn rivers into blood, and smite the earth with plagues "as often as they will." 11:6

# After God's witnesses "have finished their testimony," they are killed in a war with a beast from a bottomless pit. 11:7

# Their dead bodies lie unburied for three and a half days. People will "rejoice over them and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another." After another three and half days God brings his witnesses back to life and they ascend into heaven. 11:8-12

# When the witnesses ascend into heaven, an earthquake kills 7000 men. This was the second woe. "The third woe cometh quickly." 11:13-14

# "The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
God planned to kill Jesus before he created the world. 13:8

# Those who receive the mark of the beast will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever." 14:10-11

# "The great winepress of the wrath of God ... was trodden ... and the blood cam out of the winepress, even unto the horses bridles." 14:19-20

# Seven angels with seven plagues are filled with the wrath of God. 15:1, 15:7

# The seven vials of wrath: 1) sores, 2) sea turned to blood, 3) rivers turned to blood, 4) people scorched with fire, 5) people gnaw their tongues in pain, 6) Euphrates dries up, 7) thunder, lightning, earthquake, and hail. 16:1-21

# God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6

# "They shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Are they going to eat her first and then burn her?) 17:16-17

# To punish her God will send plagues and famine, and "she will be utterly burned with fire." 18:8

# God will send plagues, death, and famine on Babylon, and the kings "who have committed fornication with her" will be sad to see her burn. 18:8-9

# Jesus makes war. 19:11

# With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful into holy war. 19:12-15

# "Come ... unto the supper of the great God." An angel calls all the fowls to feast upon the flesh of dead horses and human bodies, "both free and bond, both small and great." 19:17-18

# The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. "And all the fowls were filled with their flesh." 19:20-21

# God will send fire from heaven to devour people. And the devil will be tormented "day and night for ever and ever." 20:9-10

# Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15

# All liars, as well as those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8
King Bodacious
29-11-2006, 22:46
It all depends on whose preaching the word.....If you say Osama bin Laden, then Absolutely. He preaches hate and murder of civilians.

As for Islam and Christianity, neither advocate the killings (mass murders) of innocent civilians.
Lunatic Goofballs
29-11-2006, 22:47
Think about what happens when 'finger' changes meaning . . . ;)

Yes, I did. :)
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 22:48
I don't remember him once mentioning christianity. But poor old predictible NSG, jumping on the 'BUT ZOMG TEH CWISTIANITY HAS BAD FINGS IN IT 'SWELL' train.
Farnhamia
29-11-2006, 22:50
Boring.

Hey, it's almost Christmas, how about a little "peace on earth" and "goodwill toward men"? You can go back to hating the Muslims in January.
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 22:50
I don't remember him once mentioning christianity. But poor old NSG, jumping on the 'BUT ZOMG TEH CWISTIANITY HAS BAD FINGS IN IT 'SWELL' train.

I can give a list of horrifying things in the Torah and Koran as well.

Thank you jeebus for the Skeptics Annotated Bible.
Pyotr
29-11-2006, 22:50
It all depends on whose preaching the word.....If you say Osama bin Laden, then Absolutely. He preaches hate and murder of civilians.

That's about it, if you do enough cherry-picking you can find hate and evil in just about anything.
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 22:50
*starts to pass out Milk Duds*

Is this the theater that's showing the Rocky Horror Picture Show?

What gave it away? All the kooks in drag?
Pyotr
29-11-2006, 22:50
I can give a list of horrifying things in the Torah and Koran as well.

Thank you jeebus for the Skeptics Annotated Bible.

could you not post it 3 times in a row?
Greater Trostia
29-11-2006, 22:52
I don't remember him once mentioning christianity. But poor old predictible NSG, jumping on the 'BUT ZOMG TEH CWISTIANITY HAS BAD FINGS IN IT 'SWELL' train.

The point is that taking quotes that "contain violence" from a holy book and using it to declare that an entire world religion "is violent" is erroneous.

Most people who are Christian would object to it when it is done to Christianity, hence the Christian example is used to show the absurdity of such declarations - there are far more Christians on this forum than Muslims, so it is easier to get people to see it from their own point of view. Compared to getting good Christians like yourself from seeing anything from an Islamic view.
Lunatic Goofballs
29-11-2006, 22:53
What gave it away? All the kooks in drag?

Hey! I paid a lot of money for this dress! :mad:
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 22:54
could you not post it 3 times in a row?

I had to break the list into three parts, it's over Jolt's 50,000 character limit for posts. It's that freakin long, almost 900 horrors.
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 22:54
Hey! I paid a lot of money for this dress! :mad:

And it looks lovely on you. It totaly goes with the mud in your hair.
Lunatic Goofballs
29-11-2006, 22:55
And it looks lovely on you. It totaly goes with the mud in your hair.

Flatterer. :)
Minaris
29-11-2006, 22:57
Oh shit, here we go again. *grabs popcorn*

*Has Cheetos and black-market Surge*
Pyotr
29-11-2006, 22:57
I had to break the list into three parts, it's over Jolt's 50,000 character limit for posts. It's that freakin long, almost 900 horrors.

Wouldn't that be copy&paste spam? 150,000 characters taken directly from a website?
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 22:57
I had to break the list into three parts, it's over Jolt's 50,000 character limit for posts. It's that freakin long, almost 900 horrors.

It's also the most unreliable and manipulative taken out of context trickery I have ever seen.
Lunatic Goofballs
29-11-2006, 22:59
It's also the most unreliable and manipulative taken out of context trickery I have ever seen.

Karl Rove has done better. ;)
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 22:59
Hey if it gets this idiotic thread locked feel free to report it. I just felt the need to point out that Christians can hardly bitch about Islam being violent. Actually the Christian bible has almost twice as many references to violence as the Koran.
Morvonia
29-11-2006, 22:59
It's also the most unreliable and manipulative taken out of context trickery I have ever seen.


how is that? I hardly think there is any before or after text that can justify that shit.
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 23:00
It's also the most unreliable and manipulative taken out of context trickery I have ever seen.

Feel free to look up the bible chapter and verses, they're accurate. The bible is really really violent.
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 23:00
Flatterer. :)

It's not flattery when its true:fluffle: ;)
Pyotr
29-11-2006, 23:01
25:63:

The worshippers of the All-Merciful are they who tread gently upon the earth, and when the ignorant address them, they reply, "Peace!"

28:55, And when they hear vain talk, they turn away from it and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we do not seek out the ignorant."


Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): "Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness--their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow."


5:82. " . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: 'We are Christians.' That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud."


[4:90] Exempt those who join a people with whom you have concluded a peace treaty, and those who come to you with hearts unwilling to fight you, nor to fight their relatives. Had God willed, he could have placed them in power over you and they would have made war on you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then God gives you no way to go against them.


. . . Do not say to one who offers you peace, "You are not a believer," seeking the spoils of this life. For God has abundant treasure. You used to be like them, after all, and then God blessed you.
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 23:04
how is that?

Most of the quotes are taken completely out of context, just look up any of those at random and you will see.

Infact, I will do one for you:

And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.17:16-17

Now, if you look at the verses before that you will see that it is symbolic representation of political ideas and not litteral or advocating violence at all.

For example:

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
New Xero Seven
29-11-2006, 23:04
Its the uber-krazy, uber-insane religious fundamentalists that you should be worrying/complaining about, not Islam, or any other religion for that matter.
Jambomon
29-11-2006, 23:04
Certain sects/persons in Islam are violent, just as certain persons/sects in Christianity, Hinuism, and other religious are violent.
Its called 'being people'.

... mummblewummmble... zen buddhism is not violent... mummmblewummmble :fluffle:
Farnhamia
29-11-2006, 23:06
... mummblewummmble... zen buddhism is not violent... mummmblewummmble :fluffle:

No, it's passive/aggressive. :p
Jambomon
29-11-2006, 23:09
No, it's passive/aggressive. :p

ooooh... be careful.... i might MEDITATE YOU- oh wait was that a twizzler?
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 23:11
Most of the quotes are taken completely out of context, just look up any of those at random and you will see.

Infact, I will do one for you:

And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.17:16-17

Now, if you look at the verses before that you will see that it is symbolic representation of political ideas and not litteral or advocating violence at all.

For example:

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Well on your advice I picked one at random. Exodus 12:29-30:

12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
12:30 And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.

I'm sure I'm missing the symbolism in genocide.
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 23:13
Well on your advice I picked one at random. Exodus 12:29-30:




I'm sure I'm missing the symbolism in genocide.

What God does is different from what he advocates.
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 23:15
What God does is different from what he advocates.

Do as I say not as I do? God's a dick.
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 23:16
What God does is different from what he advocates.

"Do as I say, not as I do." moto of parents though out history;)
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 23:17
Here's something god advocates:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/8.html#14

Animal sacrifice!
The Freest people
29-11-2006, 23:18
Oh, please.

Yes, I am aware that the christian old testament is a primitive and cruel book. But guess what - Christianity has evolved! All since the beginning of renaissance it has evolved, criticized, interpreted in more liberal ways. The muslem world hasn't had any renaissance. It doesn't have much Islam-criticism, as those criticizing it are being killed or threatened with their life.

Also, the Christian bible says that you shall give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God.. In other words, separation of church and state. Compare this to Islam, or "submission". Islam is an all-encompassing system, which allows no deviancy and no "wrong" opinion.

But to be fair, I was like you once. Then I went to www.islamicboard.com, and found out that all of the muslems there, none whom can pledge lack of education or poverty a cause for their extremist views (as they all obviously owned a computer and knew english), supported the execution of apostates, with the exception of one who said grudgingly that the religious law could be a "son of a *****" but recognized that he should be killed.

They were all rabid gay-haters and antisemites. There were conspiracy theories and pseudo-science spammed all over the place. It was really a wake-up call for me.

Before you rant "ZOMG CHRISTIANITY IS TEH EVIL !!111!!1eleven!!!" in response to this post, please... You know, browse around in that forum, read a bit here and there and then rant.
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 23:19
Do as I say not as I do? God's a dick.

Lets assume that the old testement is real, and so is that verse.

You are saying Gods a dick because he freed the isralites from slavery by taking life away from every first born son of those who wern't in slavery? But you do not know what happened to the babies, they may have gone to heaven.
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 23:20
Here's something god advocates:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/8.html#14

Animal sacrifice!

So?

He doesn't say the animals deserve it, he says because you are sacrificing the innocent they are paying for your sins. It's a legal thing.
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 23:24
Lets assume that the old testement is real, and so is that verse.

You are saying Gods a dick because he freed the isralites from slavery by taking life away from every first born son of those who wern't in slavery? But you do not know what happened to the babies, they may have gone to heaven.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. An omnipotent god could of instantly transported his chosen people to their new home, instead he opted for slaughter. Instead of appearing before Pharoah and gaining a new follower he opted to kill the man's child, and all the first born of Egypt.

Your god is an asshole.
Celtlund
29-11-2006, 23:26
pass it down....you want some cola?

Here is a beer and some nachoes.
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 23:27
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. An omnipotent god could of instantly transported his chosen people to their new home, instead he opted for slaughter. Instead of appearing before Pharoah and gaining a new follower he opted to kill the man's child, and all the first born of Egypt.

Your god is an asshole.

Why assume it's my God, I am not a christian.

Where is the slaughter? How do you know the deaths were bad? How do you know the Babies did not go into heaven? Why should God be concerned with subjective ideas of suffering, suffering means just a bunch of particles floating around in certain ways to God?
Celtlund
29-11-2006, 23:28
I dunno, none of the muslims I meet ever threaten me or try to do me harm.

He/she doesn't know any. :eek: Did anyone notice...post #9?
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 23:28
Lets assume that the old testement is real, and so is that verse.

You are saying Gods a dick because he freed the isralites from slavery by taking life away from every first born son of those who wern't in slavery? But you do not know what happened to the babies, they may have gone to heaven.

You know I saw a show on the History channel reccently that attempted to explain all ten of the plagues with a sysesmic(sp) event. It was pretty interesting, the explination for that one was a gas leak that killed the first born, because they would sleep on low beds, while the other familly members would sleep on the roof and in similar higher positions, so the gas only suficated the first born. The even had a documented example of this happening in another area more recently to show how it was possible.
Celtlund
29-11-2006, 23:29
Ooh! Nylon, wool, or cotton?

Argyle.
Celtlund
29-11-2006, 23:30
*passes popcorn* Yes, please.

Anyone have any sour cream and chive chips?
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 23:30
You know I saw a show on the History channel reccently that attempted to explain all ten of the plagues with a sysesmic(sp) event. It was pretty interesting, the explination for that one was a gas leak that killed the first born, because they would sleep on low beds, while the other familly members would sleep on the roof and in similar higher positions, so the gas only suficated the first born. The even had a documented example of this happening in another area more recently to show how it was possible.

The thing with these sorts of things is that I am not sure if it is evidence that supports it, or contradicts the Bible. Maybe God caused those gas leaks?
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 23:36
Why assume it's my God, I am not a christian.

Where is the slaughter? How do you know the deaths were bad? How do you know the Babies did not go into heaven? Why should God be concerned with subjective ideas of suffering, suffering means just a bunch of particles floating around in certain ways to God?

slaugh‧ter  /ˈslɔtər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[slaw-ter] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the killing or butchering of cattle, sheep, etc., esp. for food.
2. the brutal or violent killing of a person.
3. the killing of great numbers of people or animals indiscriminately; carnage: the slaughter of war.

The killing of children is always cruel, I don't care if they just vanish in a puff of flowers and unicorns. No just and benevolent god would do that to their families, families who had nothing to do with the supposed treatment of the israelites.

Why should god be concerned? Why would you worship a god who was not?
Riknaht
29-11-2006, 23:36
I can give a list of horrifying things in the Torah and Koran as well.

Then do.
Celtlund
29-11-2006, 23:38
*starts to pass out Milk Duds*

Is this the theater that's showing the Rocky Horror Picture Show?

No. The Pit and the Pendulum followed by the Raven. Vincent Price stars in both.
Khadgar
29-11-2006, 23:38
Then do.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

Torah is basically the old testament.
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 23:39
The thing with these sorts of things is that I am not sure if it is evidence that supports it, or contradicts the Bible. Maybe God caused those gas leaks? Funnily enough that is the distinction they used to wiggle out of any controvery on the religous nature of the topic:p
Celtlund
29-11-2006, 23:41
Genesis...A HELL OF A BIG SNIP

Wow! You must keep that in a file just for posts like this. :eek:
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 23:42
Funnily enough that is the distinction they used to wiggle out of any controvery on the religous nature of the topic:p

It's strange though how it's almost like a double bluff.

These things proved that the events happened supporting the Bible, but at the same time suggest an alternative cause not supporting the Bible.
Congo--Kinshasa
29-11-2006, 23:43
I like bagels. Anyone want a bagel?
Celtlund
29-11-2006, 23:43
# Saul kills ... BIGAGER SNIP...

Are you planning on posting the entire Bible next? :eek:
Riknaht
29-11-2006, 23:44
You're missing why this crap happens in the old testament. It's under the old covenant God made with Abraham. In other words, just for the jews because jesus had yet to come and die for sins.

Another thing is this: just because eternal redemption is achieved doesn't mean that people aren't still accountable for their actions. That's why King David got so screwed over in the quotes you put up, or rather, biased summaries without proper context and understanding.
Twafflonia
29-11-2006, 23:47
Khadgar, if you're going to argue that Christian scriptures are currently used to promote violence, you'll need to use only Christian Bible verses that actually advise Christians to use violence, not all the verses that simply have some sort of "violence" in them. You may have a valid point, but you'll need a valid presentation to get that across. No Christian in his/her right mind would use the flood myth to justify intentionally flooding the earth to kill people--the story nowhere says: "go do this." Similarly, alot of your references to violence involve "bad guys" executing the violence, and therefore cannot be considered as condoning such acts (like the Cain and Abel story).

What it comes down to is how the scriptures are interpreted. The Christian Old Testament is essentially the Jewish scriptures, but you'd be hard pressed to prove that Judaism is a religion of violence by examining modern Jewish religious practices. On the other hand, many Middle-Eastern Muslim clerics do outwardly promote violence. Whether this means that all of Islam is violent is doubtful--not all Christians should be labeled violent because the Crusades and Inquisition were carried out in the name of Christianity.

But if the religious authorities of an organized religion promote or defend violence toward people of other spiritual persuasions, then you can assume that their interpretation of the religion is indeed that it is a religion of violence.
Hydesland
29-11-2006, 23:50
Khadgar, if you're going to argue that Christian scriptures are currently used to promote violence, you'll need to use only Christian Bible verses that actually advise Christians to use violence, not all the verses that simply have some sort of "violence" in them. You may have a valid point, but you'll need a valid presentation to get that across. No Christian in his/her right mind would use the flood myth to justify intentionally flooding the earth to kill people--the story nowhere says: "go do this." Similarly, alot of your references to violence involve "bad guys" executing the violence, and therefore cannot be considered as condoning such acts (like the Cain and Abel story).

What it comes down to is how the scriptures are interpreted. The Christian Old Testament is essentially the Jewish scriptures, but you'd be hard pressed to prove that Judaism is a religion of violence by examining modern Jewish religious practices. On the other hand, many Middle-Eastern Muslim clerics do outwardly promote violence. Whether this means that all of Islam is violent is doubtful--not all Christians should be labeled violent because the Crusades and Inquisition were carried out in the name of Christianity.

But if the religious authorities of an organized religion promote or defend violence toward people of other spiritual persuasions, then you can assume that their interpretation of the religion is indeed that it is a religion of violence.

QFT
Nationalist Sozy
29-11-2006, 23:51
The muslims are not occupying al-Quds and imposing an apartheid system on the original inhabitants.

Then again... Muslims have done and are doing this at other places. But so are Christians. The entire abrahamic religion group is a bit self-hating I say.
Riknaht
29-11-2006, 23:54
Someone starts a thread on Islam and the discussion is immediately diverted to Christianity. It seems that a grand many people who have come before you were unable to disprove anything and I'd hardly say that you have any chance of proving or disproving anything here.
Sheni
29-11-2006, 23:55
Khadgar, if you're going to argue that Christian scriptures are currently used to promote violence, you'll need to use only Christian Bible verses that actually advise Christians to use violence, not all the verses that simply have some sort of "violence" in them. You may have a valid point, but you'll need a valid presentation to get that across. No Christian in his/her right mind would use the flood myth to justify intentionally flooding the earth to kill people--the story nowhere says: "go do this." Similarly, alot of your references to violence involve "bad guys" executing the violence, and therefore cannot be considered as condoning such acts (like the Cain and Abel story).

What it comes down to is how the scriptures are interpreted. The Christian Old Testament is essentially the Jewish scriptures, but you'd be hard pressed to prove that Judaism is a religion of violence by examining modern Jewish religious practices. On the other hand, many Middle-Eastern Muslim clerics do outwardly promote violence. Whether this means that all of Islam is violent is doubtful--not all Christians should be labeled violent because the Crusades and Inquisition were carried out in the name of Christianity.

But if the religious authorities of an organized religion promote or defend violence toward people of other spiritual persuasions, then you can assume that their interpretation of the religion is indeed that it is a religion of violence.


Here you go for the Bible. (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_the_law_of_moses/mt05_17.html)
Will edit when I find stuff for the Koran.
Hydesland
30-11-2006, 00:00
Here you go for the Bible. (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_the_law_of_moses/mt05_17.html)
Will edit when I find stuff for the Koran.

Thats getting old. Very old.
Riknaht
30-11-2006, 00:02
Here you go for the Bible. (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_the_law_of_moses/mt05_17.html)
Will edit when I find stuff for the Koran.

Yeah, It's a shame that all of those laws are from the old covenant and old testament. Funny how your argument kinda falls through the floor then.

That's too much credit. It's not your argument.
Forsakia
30-11-2006, 00:08
Here is a beer and some nachoes.

Should it be nachos or nachoes?
New Stalinberg
30-11-2006, 00:10
How has this thread made it to page seven, and why is the reply button on the left!? I liked it on the right!!
Riknaht
30-11-2006, 00:10
Should it be nachos or nachoes?

Nah, the plural is "nachi." If you want to get real technical.:D
The Psyker
30-11-2006, 00:13
How has this thread made it to page seven, and why is the reply button on the left!? I liked it on the right!!

Its only right for the reply to be on the right.
Riknaht
30-11-2006, 00:13
How has this thread made it to page seven, and why is the reply button on the left!? I liked it on the right!!

That threw me off for a little bit. The whole left side reply button is irritating. I don't know quite why, but it just bothers me.
Hanon
30-11-2006, 00:14
Oh THAT'S where the reply button went to!
Sheni
30-11-2006, 00:39
Yeah, It's a shame that all of those laws are from the old covenant and old testament. Funny how your argument kinda falls through the floor then.

That's too much credit. It's not your argument.

First of all, didn't you read the first part? Jesus specifically states that he has "not come to abolish [the old testament]" before it goes into all that.
But in case you want stuff not from the OT:
Here you go. (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_peace/mt10_34a.html)
And the stuff from the Koran to the guy who asked:

Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6

Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90

"Whosoever hath done evil and his sin surroundeth him; such are rightful owners of the Fire." 2:81

If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85

Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104

For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114

"And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119

Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126

The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162

Allah is severe punishment! 2:165-6

They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167

Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174

How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175

"Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244

Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

"Guard us from the doom of Fire." 2:201

Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206

War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217

Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221

Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257

"Those who swallow usury ... are rightful owners of the Fire." 2:275

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4

Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10

Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12

"Guard us from the punishment of Fire." 3:16

Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21

"They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24

Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77

All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85

Disbelievers will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:87-88

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91

"Ye were upon the brink of an abyss of fire, and He did save you from it." 3:103

Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6

Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116

The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151

"Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?"
Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162

Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176

Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177

Disbelievers will have a shameful doom. 3:178

Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant." (The rest will burn forever in the Fire.) 3:185

Those who brag about doing good will go to hell. 3:188

"Preserve us from the doom of Fire." 3:191

"Our Lord! Whom Thou causest to enter the Fire: him indeed Thou hast confounded. For evil-doers there will be no helpers." 3:192

Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196

Don't steal from orphans (or Allah will burn you forever in hell). 4:10

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14

For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18

"We shall cast him into Fire, and that is ever easy for Allah." 4:30

For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37

Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74

Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91

Believers who kill believers will face the awful doom of hell. 4:93

"Their habitation will be hell, an evil journey's end." 4:97

Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115

Allah will lead them astray and they will go to hell. 4:119-121

Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137

For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138

Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140

The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145

You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151

For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1

God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169

If you don't do good works, Allah will punish you with a painful doom. 4:173

Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10

"The owners of the fire. That is the reward of evil-doers." 5:29

Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36

Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37

Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38

Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41

Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86

Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94

Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6:6

Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28

Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49

Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70

When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93

Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113

Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 6:125

Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 6:128

Let the idolaters kill their children. It is Allah's will. 6:137

The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157

How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 7:4-5

Allah banishes Iblis and promises to fill hell with those who are mislead by him. 7:18

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36

Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 7:38

"Taste the doom for what ye used to earn." 7:39

Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41

Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. "So how's it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?" 7:44

Those in the Garden will plead with Allah not to be cast into the Fire. 7:47

Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50

"Why preach ye to a folk whom Allah is about to destroy or punish with an awful doom?" 7:164

Allah has already sent many people and jinn to hell. They were worse than cows: they couldn't see or hear and were neglectful. 7:179

Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12

Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14

When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16

Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17

"Rain down stones on us or bring on us some painful doom!" 8:32

Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35

Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36

"The wicked will He place piece upon piece, and heap them all together, and consign them unto hell." 8:37

The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 8:50

The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55

Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60

Had it not been for an ordinance of Allah which had gone before, an awful doom had come upon you." 8:68

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5

Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34

Those who are tormented in the Fire will have their foreheads and backs branded. 9:35

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39

Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49

"Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands." 9:52

Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60

Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63

Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68

Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73

Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74

"Theirs will be a painful doom." 9:79

Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83

For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90

Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell. 9:95

The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98

"We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom." 9:101

Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell. 9:109

Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111

Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113

Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123

Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4

Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 10:7-8

Allah has destroyed entire generations. 10:13

"Such are rightful owners of the Fire." 10:27

On the last day Allah will kill all the disbelievers (and then he will torture them forever in hell). 10:45

"His doom cometh unto you as a raid by night." 10:50

The damned will feel remorse for what they have done, but it will not save them from the doom that Allah has prepared. 10:54

Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70

Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73

Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88

If you deny the revelations of Allah, you will be among the losers and will "see the painful doom." 10:95-97

"The doom cannot be averted from them, and that which they derided will surround them." 11:8

Allah sent a lasting doom on those who mocked Noah. 11:39

Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48

"Lo! there cometh unto them a doom which cannot be repelled." 11:76

Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah by dropping burning stones on them. 11:82-83

Lo! Is fear for you the doom of a besetting Day." 11:84

"Ye will soon know on whom there cometh a doom that will abase him." 11:93

"He ... will lead them to the Fire for watering-place." 11:98

"The doom of the Hereafter" 11:103

Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 11:106-7

"Incline not toward those who do wrong lest the Fire touch you." 11:113

Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 11:119

"What shall be his reward, who wisheth evil to thy folk, save prison or a painful doom?" 12:25

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5

Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18

Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 13:33-34

The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35

"When Allah doometh there is none that can postpone His doom." 13:41

Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2

Those who are in hell will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 14:16-17

There is no escape from Allah's doom. 14:21

"Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22

Allah leads wrong-doers astray and then sends them to hell. 14:27-29

"They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30

"Warn mankind of a day when the doom will come upon them." 14:44

Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 14:49-50

Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43

Allah's doom is a dolorous doom. 15:50

Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26

Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29

Allah "will cause the earth to swallow" those who plan ill-deeds. the doom will come on them when they least expect it. 16:45

Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62

"Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63

"The Hour of Doom is but a twinkling of the eye." 16:77

"When those who did wrong behold the doom, it will not be made light for them." 16:85

Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88

Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 16:104

Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106

Those who invent lies against Allah will have a painful doom. 16:116-7

Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8

Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10

Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16

How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17

Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18

"Set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell." 17:39

"Lo! the doom of thy Lord is to be shunned." 17:57

Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 17:58

Whoever follows Iblis will be cast into hell. 17:63

Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98

Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29

Christians will cry out to Allah's "partners", but they won't hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52

Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 18:53

Nothing prevents non-muslims from believing in Islam. So it's their own fault when they are sent to their doom. 18:55

There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 18:58

Allah has destroyed many towns. 18:59

On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100

Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102

The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105

Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 18:106

Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70

"How many a generation have We destroyed before them?"
Allah brags about destroying entire generations. 19:74

Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75

Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79

Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83

Allah will "drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd." 19:86

Allah has destroyed many generations. 19:98

Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 20:6

The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. 20:15

Lo! it hath been revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away." 20:48

"There [in hell] he will neither die nor live." 20:74

Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127

Allah has destroyed many generations. 20:128

Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6

"And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell." 21:29

Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40

"Fear the Lord ... and dread the Hour of doom." 21:49

Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. 21:77

The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99

When the doom of Allah comes, pregnant women will suffer miscarriages, and men will act like they are drunk. 22:1-2

The devil will guide some to the punishment of the Flame. 22:3-4

Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 22:9

Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15

"There are many unto whom the doom is justly due. Allah doeth what he will." 22:18

Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22

Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25

How many towns Allah has destroyed! 22:45

"They will bid thee hasten on the Doom." 22:47

Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51

"Those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt thereof until the Hour come upon them unawares, or there come unto them the doom of a disastrous day." 22:55

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72

Allah told Noah not to bother pleading for the people he was about to drown. 23:27

Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77

"Those whose scales are light are those who lose their souls, in hell abiding." 23:103

When fire burns their faces, they will be glum. 23:104

Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 24:2

Those who spread slander will face an awful doom. 24:11

Those who murmur will face an awful doom. 24:14

Those who traduce virtuous, believing women ... cursed are they in the world and the Hereafter. Theirs will be an awful doom." 24:23

Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57

Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13

Allah will force the evil-doers to taste great torment. 25:19

It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27

"Those who will be gathered on their faces unto hell" 25:34

Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36

Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37

"They [the non-muslims] will know, when they behold the doom, who is more astray as to the road." 25:42

"The doom of hell; lo! the doom thereof is anguish." 25:65

Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69

"Hell will appear plainly to the erring." 26:91

Allah killed those that ignored Hud's warnings. 26:124-139

Allah destroyed the people in Lot's town with a dreadful rain. 26:172-3

Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201

Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213

Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5

"Allah destroyed them and their people, every one." 27:51

Allah sent a dreadful rain on "those who stayed behind." 27:58

Whoever does something wrong will be thrown into the Fire. 27:90

"We made them (evil-doers) patterns that invite unto the Fire, and on the Day of Resurrection they will not be helped." 28:40-42

Allah has completely destroyed many communities. 28:58

Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64

Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah. 28:79-81

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23

"Ye have chosen only idols instead of Allah ... on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers." 29:25

"Bring Allah's doom upon us." 29:29

The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68

Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59

Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7

Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24

Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13

Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14

Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20

The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22

He hath prepared a painful doom for the unfaithful." 33:8

Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26

Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61

Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65

The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 33:66-68

Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5

Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8

But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 34:12

"They are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans on the necks of those who disbelieved." 34:33

Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38

Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 34:41

Those who ignore Allah's messenger (Muhammed) will face a terrific doom. 34:46

Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52

The devil is real. He and his followers will burn forever in the Fire. 35:6

Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7

"Those who plot iniquities ... will have an awful doom." 35:10

Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7

Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 36:31

If Allah feels like it, he will drown everyone. 36:43

Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4

Those who "did wrong" will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23

Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38

"Then looketh he and seeth him in the depth of hell." 37:55

If you're not favored by Allah, you're doomed. 37:57

Those in hell must eat from a tree with the heads of devils, and then drink boiling water. After that they return to hell. 37:62-68

Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82

Allah tells Abraham in a dream to sacrifice his son. (But is the son Ishmael or Isaac?) 37:102

Only the "single-minded slaves of Allah" will be saved from the doom. 37:127-8

Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136

No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3

Just wait a while and watch. The unbelievers will soon be destroyed in the doom. 37:176-9

Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3

Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8

Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14

Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26

Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27

David slashed their legs and necks (with Allah's approval). 38:33

The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 38:55-9

"Whoever did prepare this for us, oh, give him double portion of the Fire!" 38:61

Iblis asks Allah to let him hang around and mislead humans. Allah allows him to do so, and Iblis leads all humans to hell except for the single-minded slaves. Allah agrees, and plans to fill hell with Iblis and his followers. 38:79-85

Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8

Those who disobey Allah should fear his doom. 39:13

The losers will be those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection. They will be surrounded by fire. 39:15-16

No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 39:19

"Wrong-doers" will be taunted while suffering in an "awful doom." 39:24

The doom will come upon those who deny what Allah has revealed. 39:25

Allah will make non-believers "taste humiliation in the life of the world" and " the doom of the Hereafter" which will be even worse. 39:26

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32

"On whom there falleth everlasting doom." 39:40

"They ... will seek to ransom themselves ... from the awful doom." 39:47

Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 39:54-55

Disbelievers had their chance to believe. They will all suffer in an endless doom. 39:56-59

Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60

Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72

Allah sent an awful punishment at the time of Noah. 40:5

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6

When the doom comes, the hearts of the doomed will choke in their throats, and no one will help them. 40:18

Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 40:22

Disbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 41:41-42

The prodigals will be owners of the Fire. 40:43

"A dreadful doom encompassed Pharaoh's folk." 40:45

The doomed will be exposed to the Fire morning and evening. 40:46

While burning in the Fire, they argue about who is to blame. 40:47

Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50

Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56

Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60

Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63

Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72

Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73

Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74

Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76

When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85

Allah will make life miserable for those who deny his revelations and then he will torment them forever in the Hereafter. And they will not be helped. 41:15-16

"The doom of humiliation overtook them because of what they used to earn." 41:17

The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20

Non-muslims will be tormented forever in the Fire. Allah will not have any mercy on them. 41:24

Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 41:27-28

"Lo! those who distort Our revelations are not hid from Us. Is he who is hurled into the Fire better?" 41:40

Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50

While some lounge in the Garden, others will roast in the Flame. 42:7

Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16

For wrong-doers there is a painful doom. 42:21

"And as for disbelievers, theirs will be an awful doom." 42:26

Allah sometimes kills people for misbehaving. 42:34

"For such there is a painful doom." 42:42

Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 42:44-46

"And thou wilt see them exposed to (the Fire), made humble by disgrace." 42:45

Those who turn people away from Islam will "be sharers in the doom." 43:37-39

When the Egyptians angered Allah, he drowned them all. 43:55

Those who argue and do wrong will have a painful doom that will come upon them suddenly. 43:65-66

The guilty are tormented forever in hell. Allah will not relax their punishment. 43:74-75

"But they will come to know."
Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89

Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16

Those in hell must eat from a tree like molten brass that burns their bellies. Then boiling water will be poured on their heads. 44:43-48

"He hath saved them [Muslims] from the doom of hell."
(Everyone else is going to hell.) 44:56

Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8

Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be a shameful doom. 45:9-10

Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have an awful doom of wrath. 45:11

"Your habitation is the Fire, and there is none to help you." 45:34

Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20

Serve only Allah or face the doom of a tremendous day. 46:21

The guilty will face a wind with a painful torment. 46:25

Allah has destroyed entire towns. 46:27

If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31

Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 46:34

Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4

Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9

Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12

Those in the Garden will drink delicious wine, while those in the Fire will drink boiling water that will tear apart their intestines. 47:15

Allah curses people by making them deaf and blind. 47:23

Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27

Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6

Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13

If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16

"Whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." 48:17

But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 48:19-20

Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25

Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29

Allah will hurl those who believe in another god into a dreadful doom. 50:26

"We say unto hell: Art thou filled? and it saith: Can there be more to come?"
Allah talks to hell about it's occupancy level. 50:30

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 50:36

Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14

"We left behind therein a portent for those who fear a painful doom." 51:37

Lo! the doom of thy Lord will surely come to pass." 52:7

Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16

"Their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire."
(Everyone else is going to hell -- and the believers are all okay with that.) 52:18

"Allah hath been gracious unto us and hath preserved us from the torment of the breath of Fire." 52:27

Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot's family. 54:34

The suffering in hell will be more wretched and bitter than anything experienced on earth. 54:46-48

Allah destroyed many people, but does anyone remember anymore? 54:51

"There will be sent, against you both, heat of fire and flash of brass, and ye will not escape." 55:35

The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44

But those on his left hand will face scorching wind, scalding water, and black smoke. 56:42-43

Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54

Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94

Those who disbelieve or doubt the revelations of Allah will be face the doom. 57:13-14

The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 57:15

Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4

For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5

Those who disobey Muhammed will go to hell. 58:8

Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15

Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17

Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3

The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13

The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17

Allah loves those who fight for him. 61:4

"O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?" 61:10

Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10

The fuel of the Fire is men and stones. 66:6

Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9

Allah has prepared for the devils a doom of flame. 67:5

Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7

Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28

Those who consider the Quran to be "mere fables" will be branded on the nose.68:15-16

Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35

"Lo! it is the fire of hell Eager to roast." 70:15

Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30

"Lo! the doom of their Lord is that before which none can feel secure" (except for maybe those who are fearful of it). 70:27-28

Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44

Allah sent Noah to warn people about the painful doom he was planning to send. (It didn't work out well; Allah sent it anyway.) 71:1

Those that Allah drowned in Noah's flood were then tortured forever in the Fire. 71:25

Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26

The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23

The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23

Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13

The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10

Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17

The fire of hell shrivels humans and spares nothing. 74:27-29

Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31

Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29

The doom is coming soon. 75:35

Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4

Allah has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 76:31

Allah destroyed "the former folk." 77:16

Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49

Depart unto that doom which ye used to deny." 77:29

Those who deny the revelations given to Muhammed will burn forever in hell. 78:21-30

"Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: 'Would that I were dust!'" 78:40

Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39

The wicked will burn in hell forever. 82:14-16

Those who reject Allah's revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17

The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36

Some folks will be thrown into a scorching fire. 84:11-12

Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24

"(Self-)destroyed were the owners of the ditch Of the fuel-fed fire." 85:4-5

Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10

Those who are flung into the great Fire will neither live nor die. 87:12-13

On that day many will be sad and weary. Scorched by the fire, drinking boiling water, with only bitter thorn-fruit to eat. 88:2-7

Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24

Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20

"Allah doomed them for their sin" and burned their houses. 91:14

Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16

Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18

Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6

What is the Calamity? It is a day when dead people's bodies will be scattered like moths, consumed in a raging fire. 101:1-11

Allah will show humans hellfire and then he will ask them about pleasure. 102:5-7

Some rich folks will be flung into the Consuming One, the fire of Allah. 104:4-6

Abu Lahab will die and be plunged in flaming Fire. His wife will have on her neck a halter of palm fiber. 111:1-5
Aleshia
30-11-2006, 02:03
Any god worth his salt would be one with less :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: and more :fluffle: till then I'll go with the socks
Pyotr
30-11-2006, 03:51
The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162

This is about "Gross offences" not disbelievers.


"Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244
Nit-Picked
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not be aggressive. GOD does not love the aggressors.


Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
No.
[2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.



War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
War may be Imposed on you whether you like it or not.
[2:216] Fighting may be imposed on you, even though you dislike it. But you may dislike something which is good for you, and you may like something which is bad for you. GOD knows while you do not know.

The Sheer volume prevents me from verifying them all, but I already have spotted some discrepancies.

http://www.submission.org/suras/sura2.htm
Zilam
30-11-2006, 06:09
I suppose we should start a response thread on all the violent acts that Christianity has done. Only fair.


1) He never mentioned anything about christianity, so no need to bring it up.

2) To the OP, as a person that once converted to Islam(for 3 days), I never once though of it as a violent religion. Only a religion that has violent people using it as an excuse to carry out their political goals.
Ohshucksiforgotourname
30-11-2006, 06:24
I am tired of liars claiming that Islam is peaceful. I want to get a discussion going to explore the different doctrines of Islam and Islamic history to prove my point.

You're right; Islam IS a religion of violence. In fact I have a book called Islam Unveiled by Abdullah al-Araby, a former Moslem, that shows how the Koran has been deliberately mistranslated to make it LOOK like a peaceful religion, when in fact it is NOT.

O ye that reject Faith!

109:2
I worship not that which ye worship,

109:3
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

109:4
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

109:5
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

109:6
To you be your Way, and to me mine.

You're d*** RIGHT i don't worship that which you worship.

I worship a living, omnipotent God :
1. Who has a name (Jehovah)
2. Who BEGAT A SON (Jesus Christ, which means "the Anointed Savior"; His name in Hebrew (Yeshua) literally means "Jehovah Saves")
3. Who became a flesh-and-blood human being, died as such, and ROSE FROM THE DEAD
4. Who made and fulfilled many prophecies, and even knew how, when, and where He would die before it happened
5. Who prayed for His enemies and forgave them, and even DIED for them (Romans 5:8)
6. Who has a sense of humor (Exodus 32:23,24; Joshua 13:1; 2 Kings 19:35; John 10:32; Psalm 2:1-4; Proverbs 1:24:26)

YOU worship a god :
1. That does not have a proper name (Allah, in Arabic, literally means "the god"; it is, technically, NOT a proper name)
2. Who NEVER begat a son. In fact the Koran forbids Moslems from saying otherwise ("Say not that the god begat a son")
3. Who never was a human being, and consequently knows nothing about human life and human frailties
4. Whose "holy prophet" was incapable of prophesying, and admitted it; he also knew nothing about how, when, or where, he would die
5. Who never would even THINK of praying for his enemies or, "the god" forbid, FORGIVING them, or DYING for them. Ditto his "prophet" Mohammed, who said "Kill the infidels! Fight them until they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but the god.'"
6. Whose followers kill people for making a cartoon picture or caricature of their "prophet"
Zilam
30-11-2006, 06:29
You're right; Islam IS a religion of violence. In fact I have a book called Islam Unveiled by Abdullah al-Araby, a former Moslem, that shows how the Koran has been deliberately mistranslated to make it LOOK like a peaceful religion, when in fact it is NOT.



You're d*** RIGHT i don't worship that which you worship.

I worship a living, omnipotent God, who has a name (Jehovah, also known as Jah) who BEGAT A SON.

YOU worship a god :
1. That does not have a proper name

You know NOTHING about Islam, right?

Moslems worship Allah, which is arabic for our word God, G-d, YWVH(???), or what ever the Jews and Christians want to call him. By calling him Allah, its like saying God, and not god. You get it? Even arab christians and jews call Him Allah. So unless you know anything about this, i suggest you back off.
New Stalinberg
30-11-2006, 06:32
You're right; Islam IS a religion of violence. In fact I have a book called Islam Unveiled by Abdullah al-Araby, a former Moslem, that shows how the Koran has been deliberately mistranslated to make it LOOK like a peaceful religion, when in fact it is NOT.



You're d*** RIGHT i don't worship that which you worship.

I worship a living, omnipotent God, who has a name (Jehovah, also known as Jah) who BEGAT A SON.

YOU worship a god :
1. That does not have a proper name

Fail.
Valupa
30-11-2006, 06:41
3. Who never was a human being, and consequently knows nothing about human life and human frailties


uhhh, wouldn't an omniscient god (as I believe Allah is alleged to be) not need to be human to know anything about human life and frailty? cause when I think about an "all-knowing God," I usually think that he, you know, knows all. So, either you're saying that they worship a non-omniscient Allah, or that knowledge of human life and frailty is not included in "knowing all." for our benefits, which is it?
Ohshucksiforgotourname
30-11-2006, 06:46
You know NOTHING about Islam, right?

Moslems worship Allah, which is arabic for our word God, G-d, YWVH(???), or what ever the Jews and Christians want to call him. By calling him Allah, its like saying God, and not god. You get it? Even arab christians and jews call Him Allah. So unless you know anything about this, i suggest you back off.

Fail.

I wasn't through with my post
Zilam
30-11-2006, 06:54
You're right; Islam IS a religion of violence. In fact I have a book called Islam Unveiled by Abdullah al-Araby, a former Moslem, that shows how the Koran has been deliberately mistranslated to make it LOOK like a peaceful religion, when in fact it is NOT.



You're d*** RIGHT i don't worship that which you worship.

I worship a living, omnipotent God :
1. Who has a name (Jehovah)
2. Who BEGAT A SON (Jesus Christ, which means "the Anointed Savior"; His name in Hebrew (Yeshua) literally means "Jehovah Saves")
3. Who became a flesh-and-blood human being, died as such, and ROSE FROM THE DEAD
4. Who made and fulfilled many prophecies, and even knew how, when, and where He would die before it happened
5. Who prayed for His enemies and forgave them, and even DIED for them (Romans 5:8)
6. Who has a sense of humor (Exodus 32:23,24; Joshua 13:1; 2 Kings 19:35; John 10:32; Psalm 2:1-4; Proverbs 1:24:26)

YOU worship a god :
1. That does not have a proper name (Allah, in Arabic, literally means "the god"; it is, technically, NOT a proper name)
2. Who NEVER begat a son. In fact the Koran forbids Moslems from saying otherwise ("Say not that the god begat a son")
3. Who never was a human being, and consequently knows nothing about human life and human frailties
4. Whose "holy prophet" was incapable of prophesying, and admitted it; he also knew nothing about how, when, or where, he would die
5. Who never would even THINK of praying for his enemies or, "the god" forbid, FORGIVING them, or DYING for them. Ditto his "prophet" Mohammed, who said "Kill the infidels! Fight them until they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but the god.'"
6. Whose followers kill people for making a cartoon picture or caricature of their "prophet"

Remarks for the bolding in their order:

1) What does a sense of humour have to do with being peace ful or not? The God of the OT was pretty blood thirsty IIRC.Telling the Israelites to kill women and children. Yeah, at least Islam says that innocents should be spared.
2) it means the God, or more properly The ONE God. Meaning that their are gods that people worship, but he is the ONE TRUE GOD.
3) Why would and all knowing God need to be in flesh to know fraility?(sp)
4) Many prophets of the Bible never prophesized their deaths, are they not holy? Are you saying that because Paul never said he wasn't going to die by being beheaded by Nero, that he isn't a holy man?
5) once again, check out your beloved Jehova and his blood thirstyness in the OT
6)Tech. Christians should have similiar anger. IIRC there is a commandment that goes "Thou shalt not make graven images of me" But yet i see pics and movies of Jesus all the time. ;)
Catch-All Explanations
30-11-2006, 07:01
I am tired of liars claiming that Islam is peaceful. I want to get a discussion going to explore the different doctrines of Islam and Islamic history to prove my point.
You are an idiot. Simple as that
Yes, you have the occasional Muslim idiot who decides that the West is evil and blows up some monument.
And you have the occasional Christian idiot who decides that abortion is evil and blows up an abortion clinic.
And you have the occasional Jewish idiot who decides that Palastine is evil and blows up Lebanon.
And you have the occasional Buddhist idiot who drinks rice wine laced with hallucinogenic toads and runs through the town naked.
Don't be afraid of the faithful. Be afraid of the idiots. People Kohlstein are the problem, not Islam.
Zilam
30-11-2006, 07:10
And you have the occasional Jewish idiot who decides that Palastine is evil and blows up Lebanon.


I just laughed really annoyingly loud over that one :D
Sorvadia
30-11-2006, 07:10
You people are wierd.

You're darn RIGHT i don't worship that which you worship: all your silly, vain, anthopotic, living, omnipotent, one true Gods named with Proper nowns who write books about themselves and concern themselves with picking sides in petty human conflicts.

I worship the God who doesn't need a name, who BEGAT sockpuppets.

I love sockpuppets.
Lunatic Goofballs
30-11-2006, 13:00
You people are wierd.

You're darn RIGHT i don't worship that which you worship: all your silly, vain, anthopotic, living, omnipotent, one true Gods named with Proper nowns who write books about themselves and concern themselves with picking sides in petty human conflicts.

I worship the God who doesn't need a name, who BEGAT sockpuppets.

I love sockpuppets.

YAY! :D
Ifreann
30-11-2006, 13:10
You people are wierd.

You're darn RIGHT i don't worship that which you worship: all your silly, vain, anthopotic, living, omnipotent, one true Gods named with Proper nowns who write books about themselves and concern themselves with picking sides in petty human conflicts.

I worship the God who doesn't need a name, who BEGAT sockpuppets.

I love sockpuppets.

I endorse this post, what with the =POPE=iness and all.
Kohlstein
30-11-2006, 22:57
O ye that reject Faith!

109:2
I worship not that which ye worship,

109:3
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

109:4
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

109:5
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

109:6
To you be your Way, and to me mine.

Muslims are commanded by Mohammed to either kill or convert all infidels, but Christians in Jews are allowed to continue practicing their religion, just under Islamic enslavement.

Prophet! Rouse the believers to wage war. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will subdue two hundred: if a hundred, they will subdue a thousand of the disbelievers: for these are a people without understanding. (8:65)

That verse was dealing with Islamic conquest of the Arabian peninsula, but there are others that deal with Islamic warfare against all non-Muslims.

Those who believe, fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight you against the friends of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan. (4:76)


Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and are subdued. (9:29)

And a declaration should be made from Allah and His Messenger to these people on the day of the great Hajj that Allah is free from [all] obligations to these Idolaters and so is His Messenger. So if you [O Idolaters!] repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape from the grasp of Allah. And give tidings [O Muhammad (sws)] of a painful torment to these disbelievers. Except those of these Idolaters with whom you have a treaty, and who have not shown treachery in it nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to the end of their term. Indeed, Allah loves those who abide by the limits. Then when the sacred months [after the Hajj] have passed, kill these Idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and establish the prayer, and give Zakah, then leave them alone. Indeed, Allah is Ever Forgiving, Most Merciful. (9:3-5)