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Well, MTAE never seems to reply to my Farmy Dome idea, so I'll lay it out in an actual thread for his approval. I think we could really do America some good with this idea.

Firstly, the American government should manufacture an incredibly physically and psychologically addictive drug and introduce it on the streets. Hopefully, we could make one advanced enough that it could be an agent added to all street drugs.

Once the drug population is informed they're hooked and they'll die without the additive, the government can ship them out to the Drug Farms.

The Drug Farms are plantations where we can raise and breed our little drug addicts. The food will have fertility hormones added in so we can rapidly increase the controllable population. They will be cheap labor, which saves America the cost of importing cheap labor, an idea from MTAE's latest thread. They can be used to feed America while we're breeding them. This creates jobs for honest Americans because we will need a security force capable of watching so many people.

This has the added benefit of completely preventing abortion. If the addict wants the drug that keeps them alive, they'd better carry the baby to term. We might discuss putting this drug into the water supply, with a similar ultimatum for the public. That's an idea for later though. It would help us keep up in the population race, though.

Next, when the population on the Farms is roughly 3 times higher than the Muslim population, we start training the children of the addicts from birth in Domes, called Farmy Domes. These Domes will be intensive training and rehabilitation centers. They will teach the children to be efficient killing machines: a whole wave of shock troops ready to defend America.

They will be psychologically compelled through hypnosis, aversion training, and brainwashing. They will also be physiologically compelled because the government will have hooked them onto a concentrated dose of the drug they originally used to hook all the addicts in America. This will make them fanatically loyal, as they know their very survival depends on pleasing their non-addicted commanders.

After this, we can use our huge, loyal army to conquer foreign countries. We would need to start in the Middle East, the world's only training ground for radicals and terrorists.

Once complete domination has been achieved, what should we do with our fanatic, dangerous, and crazed soldiers? We've reached

PHASE 2

The drug-addicted shock troops are replaced slowly by regular American volunteers (Incidentally, these people would be the only legal citizens. We should make people serve to obtain citizenship, nice, eh?). Let's face it, these drug addicts would start to hinder society if they were allowed to return to the regular population.

Instead, we convert the already constructed Farmy Domes into gladiatorial arenas, where they compete for that precious dose of "medicine." These bouts will be aired only on pay-per-view television, helping to stimulate the economy.

This plan is nearly flawless because we'll just simply abolish Art and History from schools all across America. Art, because without it the public will be dependent on government-sponsored entertainment. History, to prevent them from understanding how the whole process works. In the future, we can do it again too.

The Farmy Domes also will allow for a merchandising bonanza. Famous fighters who rise to the top of the rankings would have t-shirts, video games, and other paraphernalia to be sold for a profit (these items being produced by the people still on the farms. Let's face it, we need cheap labor). This money could be used to help arm the American populace. Hand-guns are difficult to use without a little training, while just about anyone could hit a target with a shotgun. Thusly, with the Farmy Dome money, we'll arm all Americans with a good USA made Smith & Wesson firearm, with about 50 shells in a pack.

Summed up, the many benefits of this system include:

1. A drastic reduction in the drug population in our cities and towns.
2. Cheap labor totally regulated by the government.
3. Shock troops to rid the world of the terrorists menace known as Other Countries.
4. An economic boost to the American economy, as merchandise, conquered lands, and pay-per-view extravaganzas create jobs for millions of Americans.
5. It creates enough revenue to properly arm the American public.
6. Abortion is totally obliterated.
7. We would be able to create an under-class to do the many jobs we Americans are above.
8. It would make it possible to equip every city with enough anti-crime cameras to prevent crime altogether.

So, as you can see, this is probably the best idea ever. MTAE, sadly, seems to ignore this idea when I mention it in posts, so here it is for him to see. Your other solutions are not extreme enough in this world friend, here is an answer we could really get behind.

So, as you can see, this is probably the best idea ever.
Brilliant. :D

You should write a book. What an amusing story.

You should write a book. What an amusing story.

Hmm, I hadn't thought of novelizing this idea. I may do that...

(Jolt, the reply button is on the right hand side of every other miserably god damned piece of shit forum...)

In many ways, the idea is quite interesting, if only for its lunacy.

However, I would never get behind such a plan. Surely, of course, you know this, as you merely suggested it as a way to show that even MTAE wasn't as extreme as extreme can be.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/ninebucks/satirelol.jpg

(Jolt, the reply button is on the right hand side of every other miserably god damned piece of shit forum...)

I'm glad it hasn't just swapped round for me... *alleviates paranoia*

It's a stupid place to put it, I keep instinctively click in the bottom left, only to find I am clicking blank screen.

I'm glad it hasn't just swapped round for me... *alleviates paranoia*

It's a stupid place to put it, I keep instinctively click in the bottom left, only to find I am clicking blank screen.

I found myself thinking the same thing.

As for novelizing it... it would make an amusing story. Though, if you get rid of history and art, and have government sponsored entertainment, you begin to show undertones of Fahrenheit 451 in your writing.

I found myself thinking the same thing.

As for novelizing it... it would make an amusing story. Though, if you get rid of history and art, and have government sponsored entertainment, you begin to show undertones of Fahrenheit 451 in your writing.

You also start showing undertones of Brave New World and 1984 Fact is, no matter what you write these days you'll show undertones of one of those novels or another, because they kinda altogether covered the full range of dystopian possibilities.

I think it would work as a novel, barring creative lax on my end of the deal. I already know how I'd write it: from the point of view of a child of one of the Farms, growing up and becoming one of the first shock-troops and later on rising to the top of the gladiator circuit.

Could be pretty cool!

Brilliant. :D

Reminds me very much of A Modest Proposal.

Reminds me very much of A Modest Proposal.

Yeah, nothing like complete and utter lunacy to solve problems. :D

Yeah, nothing like complete and utter lunacy to solve problems. :D

I think your post is part of the great tradition of progressive satire. I salute you. :D

I think your post is part of the great tradition of progressive satire. I salute you. :D

I appreciate your salute! Look for the novelization of this coming soon (and by soon I mean probably years)

Farmy Dome

by

Norse Anderson

(my pen name!)

bump for justice! waiting on word from MTAE.

If the mods don't mind me bumping this again, I believe I shall before bed.

Come on MTAE! We're waiting with great anticipation!

This was amusing. Even if MTAE doesn't read it, other NS'ers should. It mkes for an interesting story if nothing else.

+1

*spends time looking for reply button*

Should be right up MTAE's alley.
Now you need to come up with something for Edwardis.

Well, MTAE never seems to reply to my Farmy Dome idea, so I'll lay it out in an actual thread for his approval. I think we could really do America some good with this idea.

Firstly, the American government should manufacture an incredibly physically and psychologically addictive drug and introduce it on the streets. Hopefully, we could make one advanced enough that it could be an agent added to all street drugs.

Once the drug population is informed they're hooked and they'll die without the additive, the government can ship them out to the Drug Farms.

The Drug Farms are plantations where we can raise and breed our little drug addicts. The food will have fertility hormones added in so we can rapidly increase the controllable population. They will be cheap labor, which saves America the cost of importing cheap labor, an idea from MTAE's latest thread. They can be used to feed America while we're breeding them. This creates jobs for honest Americans because we will need a security force capable of watching so many people.

This has the added benefit of completely preventing abortion. If the addict wants the drug that keeps them alive, they'd better carry the baby to term. We might discuss putting this drug into the water supply, with a similar ultimatum for the public. That's an idea for later though. It would help us keep up in the population race, though.

Next, when the population on the Farms is roughly 3 times higher than the Muslim population, we start training the children of the addicts from birth in Domes, called Farmy Domes. These Domes will be intensive training and rehabilitation centers. They will teach the children to be efficient killing machines: a whole wave of shock troops ready to defend America.

They will be psychologically compelled through hypnosis, aversion training, and brainwashing. They will also be physiologically compelled because the government will have hooked them onto a concentrated dose of the drug they originally used to hook all the addicts in America. This will make them fanatically loyal, as they know their very survival depends on pleasing their non-addicted commanders.

After this, we can use our huge, loyal army to conquer foreign countries. We would need to start in the Middle East, the world's only training ground for radicals and terrorists.

Once complete domination has been achieved, what should we do with our fanatic, dangerous, and crazed soldiers? We've reached

PHASE 2

The drug-addicted shock troops are replaced slowly by regular American volunteers (Incidentally, these people would be the only legal citizens. We should make people serve to obtain citizenship, nice, eh?). Let's face it, these drug addicts would start to hinder society if they were allowed to return to the regular population.

Instead, we convert the already constructed Farmy Domes into gladiatorial arenas, where they compete for that precious dose of "medicine." These bouts will be aired only on pay-per-view television, helping to stimulate the economy.

This plan is nearly flawless because we'll just simply abolish Art and History from schools all across America. Art, because without it the public will be dependent on government-sponsored entertainment. History, to prevent them from understanding how the whole process works. In the future, we can do it again too.

The Farmy Domes also will allow for a merchandising bonanza. Famous fighters who rise to the top of the rankings would have t-shirts, video games, and other paraphernalia to be sold for a profit (these items being produced by the people still on the farms. Let's face it, we need cheap labor). This money could be used to help arm the American populace. Hand-guns are difficult to use without a little training, while just about anyone could hit a target with a shotgun. Thusly, with the Farmy Dome money, we'll arm all Americans with a good USA made Smith & Wesson firearm, with about 50 shells in a pack.

Summed up, the many benefits of this system include:

1. A drastic reduction in the drug population in our cities and towns.
2. Cheap labor totally regulated by the government.
3. Shock troops to rid the world of the terrorists menace known as Other Countries.
4. An economic boost to the American economy, as merchandise, conquered lands, and pay-per-view extravaganzas create jobs for millions of Americans.
5. It creates enough revenue to properly arm the American public.
6. Abortion is totally obliterated.
7. We would be able to create an under-class to do the many jobs we Americans are above.
8. It would make it possible to equip every city with enough anti-crime cameras to prevent crime altogether.

So, as you can see, this is probably the best idea ever. MTAE, sadly, seems to ignore this idea when I mention it in posts, so here it is for him to see. Your other solutions are not extreme enough in this world friend, here is an answer we could really get behind.

The Russians started that program five years ago :D

That idea is so much better than my idea for a book...incidentally, the book idea I had would be right up MTAE's alley as well.

The working title is Uncle Sam's Business and the idea takes a different twist on Jennifer Government. The idea is that the U.S. remains a superpower but runs more like a business than anything else. Domestic costs of necessities become prohibitively high, so the rich just import everything. In addition, the government collects far more money than it would through taxes, as the structure of the government is more like that of a Fortune 500 business. Only shareholders have the right to vote, but everyone is bound by the laws because America makes a killing in the arms market and has the best-trained police force in the world. Police tend to shake down criminals in exchange for not ruining them; even murderers are often given a shakedown instead of jail. Basically, the police is extremely corrupt and the rule of law is pretty much gone.

The biggest business in the world for the U.S., aside from robbing its own citizens, is starting wars. For as long as anyone can remember, the Middle East has been in an all-out hot war, with the U.S. supplying both sides, albeit under subsidiary names. Defense systems are sold to these nations to protect against death and destruction, but they are all deliberately designed with a fatal flaw because the U.S. wants them to fail and the war to continue. Diplomats are sent from U.S. subsidiaries to negotiate peace accords, but they inevitably make the warring factions angrier with each other.

Some American cities are very opulent and the people generally rich or giving the appearance of being rich; these areas are played up for foreign tourists, while other, poorer areas full of workers and factories are ignored and even blocked off to foreigners. One thing that visitors do see, however, is the American burgeoning human trafficking industry. Men tend to be sold off to corporations as slave labor and become property of American corporations; women are either forced to produce children or used as sex industry playthings. Casinos are staffed entirely by machines, except for the corrupt owners and board members as well as the human, umm, entertainment; in nearly every room, women are kept in cages waiting to be bought. Even foreigners say nothing about this, as the Americans are considered favored and feared by all.

As for a protagonist to this...I'd probably pick a foreigner traveling over from Japan or somewhere who has enjoyed doing business with America in the past but turns sour to them after a bad business deal; naturally, the storyline will have to turn more and more personal.

Bookislvakia and I need to get to work as soon as possible.

That idea is so much better than my idea for a book...incidentally, the book idea I had would be right up MTAE's alley as well.

The working title is Uncle Sam's Business and the idea takes a different twist on Jennifer Government. The idea is that the U.S. remains a superpower but runs more like a business than anything else. Domestic costs of necessities become prohibitively high, so the rich just import everything. In addition, the government collects far more money than it would through taxes, as the structure of the government is more like that of a Fortune 500 business. Only shareholders have the right to vote, but everyone is bound by the laws because America makes a killing in the arms market and has the best-trained police force in the world. Police tend to shake down criminals in exchange for not ruining them; even murderers are often given a shakedown instead of jail. Basically, the police is extremely corrupt and the rule of law is pretty much gone.

The biggest business in the world for the U.S., aside from robbing its own citizens, is starting wars. For as long as anyone can remember, the Middle East has been in an all-out hot war, with the U.S. supplying both sides, albeit under subsidiary names. Defense systems are sold to these nations to protect against death and destruction, but they are all deliberately designed with a fatal flaw because the U.S. wants them to fail and the war to continue. Diplomats are sent from U.S. subsidiaries to negotiate peace accords, but they inevitably make the warring factions angrier with each other.

Some American cities are very opulent and the people generally rich or giving the appearance of being rich; these areas are played up for foreign tourists, while other, poorer areas full of workers and factories are ignored and even blocked off to foreigners. One thing that visitors do see, however, is the American burgeoning human trafficking industry. Men tend to be sold off to corporations as slave labor and become property of American corporations; women are either forced to produce children or used as sex industry playthings. Casinos are staffed entirely by machines, except for the corrupt owners and board members as well as the human, umm, entertainment; in nearly every room, women are kept in cages waiting to be bought. Even foreigners say nothing about this, as the Americans are considered favored and feared by all.

As for a protagonist to this...I'd probably pick a foreigner traveling over from Japan or somewhere who has enjoyed doing business with America in the past but turns sour to them after a bad business deal; naturally, the storyline will have to turn more and more personal.

Bookislvakia and I need to get to work as soon as possible.

Definitely :D I like your ideas!

Welp! I saw MTAE online today so here's my proposal buddy, what do you think? It solves many major problems in the US.

Reminds me a bit of the anecdote from Umberto Eco's "Baudolino" involving a medieval Middle-Eastern prince with an army of drug-addicted assassins.. it involved a drug that had them believe they were in a paradise until disturbed and given a target. Kinda funny. :)

Reminds me a bit of the anecdote from Umberto Eco's "Baudolino" involving a medieval Middle-Eastern prince with an army of drug-addicted assassins.. it involved a drug that had them believe they were in a paradise until disturbed and given a target. Kinda funny. :)

Sounds like the Hashishin.

Sounds like the Hashishin.

I've heard of them, supposedly they're the origin of the word assassin.

Sounds like the Hashishin.

Yeah, the book itself basically involved a group of characters living out mythical events from medieval history, so that was probably the inspiration.

I've heard of them, supposedly they're the origin of the word assassin.

Yes.

Sorry to bump this again, but I was thinking about working on this idea as a novel tomorrow and was wondering what kind of laws would protect my work if I should post it here for suggestions?

Well, MTAE never seems to reply to my Farmy Dome idea, so I'll lay it out in an actual thread for his approval. I think we could really do America some good with this idea.

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So, as you can see, this is probably the best idea ever. MTAE, sadly, seems to ignore this idea when I mention it in posts, so here it is for him to see. Your other solutions are not extreme enough in this world friend, here is an answer we could really get behind.
first of all, Mtae is banned, so expecting him to answer is rather... well, don't hold your breath.

second, this can be viewed as trolling.

third go watch Interstate 60: Episodes of the Road (http://imdb.com/title/tt0165832/) to see your plan in action.

first of all, Mtae is banned, so expecting him to answer is rather... well, don't hold your breath.

second, this can be viewed as trolling.

third go watch Interstate 60: Episodes of the Road (http://imdb.com/title/tt0165832/) to see your plan in action.

This thread pre-dates his ban, and yeah I figured it could be considered trolling but the mods allowed it thus far so I figure I'm in the clear for now.

EDIT: I'll have to rent it, the synopsis doesn't seem to follow.

This thread pre-dates his ban, and yeah I figured it could be considered trolling but the mods allowed it thus far so I figure I'm in the clear for now.

EDIT: I'll have to rent it, the synopsis doesn't seem to follow.

it's a small part of the movie. centered around one town and a mother looking for her 16 yr old son.

it's a small part of the movie. centered around one town and a mother looking for her 16 yr old son.

Oh ok. I'm thinking about getting Netflix when I've got a bit of cash so I'll add that to the queue....when I've got netflix.

Oh ok. I'm thinking about getting Netflix when I've got a bit of cash so I'll add that to the queue....when I've got netflix.

Kewl... Let me know when you watch it. people I know that watched it found it a very deep movie.

Kewl... Let me know when you watch it. people I know that watched it found it a very deep movie.

Will do!

Sorry to bump this again, but I was thinking about working on this idea as a novel tomorrow and was wondering what kind of laws would protect my work if I should post it here for suggestions?
You can not copyright ideas. The hadisveja example: My idea for the story (12 year old 'adult' gets sucked into a criminal organization in a post-scarcity society) can not be protected by copyright. However you would not be able to use a fragment like:

Laisa was rather surprised that there were
nearly no cars in this city and wondered whether the government outlawed them. I explained her that cars are a horrible waste of perfectly good space and explained that in the few times one needs a car, there are rental agencies. "AIs make it far easier anyways: You order the car via a simple interaction, wait until it arrives, drive, or have the AI drive you and with a second interaction at your destination, send it back."

"So... cars are a commodity?" she asked.

I nodded: "What else should they be?"

without stating the copyright.

I might just play it on the safe side and find a website to host it on and link it here. I'd rather not take chances if I actually manage to write a book and it be any good.

I might just play it on the safe side and find a website to host it on and link it here. I'd rather not take chances if I actually manage to write a book and it be any good.

careful, then you run into the problem with those that believe anything posted on the web is public property.

careful, then you run into the problem with those that believe anything posted on the web is public property.

Dear God!

I'll just post updates. Such as

Chapter 1 complete, main character is at x location doing x things.
Chapter 2 complete,

and so on. Just a synopsis. Maybe not. I'll mention everyone in the dedication though!

As a suggestion for the Farmy Dome story, to make it more compelling and more of a depiction of the society as a whole, you could tell the story from multiple characters' points of view. Like the super soldier from your original idea, maybe a govt. fatcat getting rich off the system only to have it come back and bite him in the end, a teenager who joins the resistance that is trying to subvert and end the whole system. There are endless possibilities, and I think that the story could really benifit from a second angle.

Dear God!

I'll just post updates. Such as

Chapter 1 complete, main character is at x location doing x things.
Chapter 2 complete,

and so on. Just a synopsis. Maybe not. I'll mention everyone in the dedication though!

Just write it out, mail a copy to yourself using certified mail, (keep it sealed tho) then post it online (if you don't want to find a publisher.)

careful, then you run into the problem with those that believe anything posted on the web is public property. Use a Creative Commons License?

As a suggestion for the Farmy Dome story, to make it more compelling and more of a depiction of the society as a whole, you could tell the story from multiple characters' points of view. Like the super soldier from your original idea, maybe a govt. fatcat getting rich off the system only to have it come back and bite him in the end, a teenager who joins the resistance that is trying to subvert and end the whole system. There are endless possibilities, and I think that the story could really benifit from a second angle.

I hadn't quite thought of telling it from three angles, that would certainly help extend the story quite a bit and add depth, as you mentioned. Hmmmmm.

This drug wouldn't be called Ketracel White, would it?