NationStates Jolt Archive

So an empire is a country with separate nations contained within it and now that Quebec is a separate nation within Canada, does that make us an empire?

I mean, wouldn't that be freaking sweet?

Empires must be formed by force, IIRC.

Indeed, particularly the dark side of it.

Empires must be formed by force, IIRC.
Says who?

Empires must be formed by force, IIRC.Negative!

That makes the Queen an Empress again.

from dictionary.com

em‧pire

1. a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire.
2. a government under an emperor or empress.
3. (often initial capital letter) the historical period during which a nation is under such a government: a history of the second French empire.
4. supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty: Austria's failure of empire in central Europe.
5. supreme control; absolute sway: passion's empire over the mind.
6. a powerful and important enterprise or holding of large scope that is controlled by a single person, family, or group of associates: The family's shipping empire was founded 50 years ago.

So techincally Canada falls into the first definition, if only just barely.

Says who?

Negative!

Hush up! I have the almighty Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire) on my side...

"Generally, they [scholars] may define an empire as a state that extends dominion over areas and populations distinct culturally and ethnically from the culture/ethnicity at the center of power. Like other states, an empire maintains its political structure at least partly by coercion."

So Canada has the multiple ethnic component part, but not the coercion part.

Empires must be formed by force, IIRC.

Actually, they just need a ruling Monarch/Emperor. The Habsburgs of Austria-Hungary at one point pretty much ruled Europe my marriage. By the same token, the Kingdom of Spain formed via marriage.

from dictionary.com

em‧pire

1. a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire.
2. a government under an emperor or empress.
3. (often initial capital letter) the historical period during which a nation is under such a government: a history of the second French empire.
4. supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty: Austria's failure of empire in central Europe.
5. supreme control; absolute sway: passion's empire over the mind.
6. a powerful and important enterprise or holding of large scope that is controlled by a single person, family, or group of associates: The family's shipping empire was founded 50 years ago.

So techincally Canada falls into the first definition, if only just barely.
Yep, which is why we should start referring to our country as the Canadian Empire.

I mean, doesn't that sound sweet?

Actually, they just need a ruling Monarch/Emperor. The Habsburgs of Austria-Hungary at one point pretty much ruled Europe my marriage. By the same token, the Kingdom of Spain formed via marriage.

They don't even need to be headed by an Emperor/Empress. All that needs to be in place for an empire to exist by definition is one country ruling largely over the other.

As for Canada, some would say Quebec is the one ruling over the rest of Canada.

Yep, which is why we should start referring to our country as the Canadian Empire.

I mean, doesn't that sound sweet?

One of the original proposed names for Canda was the Kingdom of Canada. It was shot down though, they thought it would have provoked the United States. But the Canadian Empire does have a certain flare to it.

One of the original proposed names for Canda was the Kingdom of Canda. It was shot down though, they thought it would have provoked the United States. But the Canadian Empire does have a certain flare to it.
It does, maybe people will take us more seriously if we start calling ourselves that.

It does, maybe people will take us more seriously if we start calling ourselves that.

I think I may just change my Location....

What are the odds of our empire being started by the Conservatives. i guess we know who the blood thirsty ones are.

Many countries in America are multinational and geographically large, but I wouldn't say they are Empires because they lack a strong leader for the role of an emperor and at least aspire to some degree of democracy.

Elect me the second emperor of the United States of Canada and the U.S.

Elect me the second emperor of the United States of Canada and the U.S.

You don't get ellected Emperor of the U.S. you move to California and start wearing an old nineteenth century style military uniform and handing out your own money. It also helps to pose with the tourists and to catch the interest of the Sandman;)

YOu don't get ellected Emperor of the U.S. you move to California and start wearing an old ninteenth century style military uniform and handing out your own money. It also helps to pose with the tourists and to catch the interest of the Sandman;)How dare you mock the departed honourable Emperor Norton the 1st.:D

Down with democracy!!! Install an autocratic,absolute Monarchy!!

The Canadian Empire...the red-leafed menace which will enslave us all...sounds like something Patrick Buchannan would say.

It would be very entertaining to see that Canada becomes an Empire, annexing Usa :D People would be like: 'Wtf??!?'* How did that happen?'

would you mind taking Ireland off our hands?

would you mind taking Ireland off our hands?

You haven't had anything but Northern Ireland for years.

You haven't had anything but Northern Ireland for years.

it still counts! (well we like to pretend it does :()

it still counts! (well we like to pretend it does :()

Don't go and make have another revolution.