NationStates Jolt Archive


Favorite State

Jambomon
29-11-2006, 00:14
What is your most favorite state in the US?... And why, of course.


I'm partial to New Jersey. It has a sparkle :D
Morganatron
29-11-2006, 00:23
Washington! It has mountains, desert, forests, lakes, ocean, coffee, hippies, polar fleece, Frasier, grunge, and geoducks! What more could one want?
Vacuumhead
29-11-2006, 00:25
I don't know, can you name some? :confused:
Red_Letter
29-11-2006, 00:26
I'm partial to New Jersey.
...
I have not the comedic talent to pursue this one, I will leave it to funnier men than myself.
New Stalinberg
29-11-2006, 00:29
New Jersey is awesome because Frank Sinatra was born there and it has the most dangerous city in the US 3 years running.

I like Minnesota. It's nice and green.
Drunk commies deleted
29-11-2006, 00:31
I love the Great Garden State of New Jersey. Living here makes me feel just a little bit superior to anyone who lives anywhere else.
Curious Inquiry
29-11-2006, 00:33
Altered ;)
Laerod
29-11-2006, 00:34
Altered ;)Denial.

Nah, West Virginia. It's the closest thing I have to a home state in the US.
Fleckenstein
29-11-2006, 00:36
New Jersey is awesome because Frank Sinatra was born there and it has the most dangerous city in the US 3 years running.

I like Minnesota. It's nice and green.

Nope, Camden is number five now. I would know, I live next door. :)

St. Louis is #1.

And my favorite state is New Jersey because you arent allowed to pump your own gas!
Greater Trostia
29-11-2006, 00:41
California!

It's big!

It's beautiful!

It's blonde!

Economically (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California) speaking, California just kicks all those other, minor, states' asses. $1.55 trillion GDP, 13% of the US's GDP. Highest population of any US state, with 12% of all US citizens being Californians. According to some sources, if California were an independent nation its economy would rank from 10th to the 5th largest in the entire world.

So really, when jealous non-Californians make not-that-funny jibes about California "falling into the sea" they are actually expressing a desire for the US economy and nation to plummet into the depths as well.

So too are complaints about California "welfare bums" inaccurate when the state gives more to the Federal government than it receives in benefits.

As for "fruits and nuts," well, California is the 5th largest supplier of food and agriculture commodities. (What are YOU growing, "Garden State" New Jersey? Petunias?)

Sure we're kinda crazy, but don't act like the Midwest or East Coast is in any way sane. And yeah, we have the earthquakes occasionally, but what area doesn't have natural disasters? What doesn't kill you just makes you stronger.

And we have the Governator. Again!

Kalifornia Uber Alles! :D
Laerod
29-11-2006, 00:43
Kalifornia Uber Alles! :DWhat's "Kalifornia"?
Drunk commies deleted
29-11-2006, 00:43
California!

It's big!

It's beautiful!

It's blonde!

Economically (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California) speaking, California just kicks all those other, minor, states' asses. $1.55 trillion GDP, 13% of the US's GDP. Highest population of any US state, with 12% of all US citizens being Californians. According to some sources, if California were an independent nation its economy would rank from 10th to the 5th largest in the entire world.



So really, when jealous non-Californians make not-that-funny jibes about California "falling into the sea" they are actually expressing a desire for the US economy and nation to plummet into the depths as well.

So too are complaints about California "welfare bums" inaccurate when the state gives more to the Federal government than it receives in benefits.

As for "fruits and nuts," well, California is the 5th largest supplier of food and agriculture commodities. (What are YOU growing, "Garden State" New Jersey? Petunias?)

Sure we're kinda crazy, but don't act like the Midwest or East Coast is in any way sane. And yeah, we have the earthquakes occasionally, but what area doesn't have natural disasters? What doesn't kill you just makes you stronger.

And we have the Governator. Again!

Kalifornia Uber Alles! :D
What do we grow? Pharmaceuticals, Biotech, and whoop ass. We export cans of it all over the world.

Seriously though, we grow cranberries, corn, soybeans, tomatos, and many other crops. We've got dairy cows as well, but nowadays we mainly focus on pharmaceutical and biotech industry I think.

http://www.locationnj.com/BioTechCompanies.asp

http://www.thelabrat.com/jobs/companies/BiotechNewJersey.shtml

http://www.agclassroom.org/kids/stats/newjersey.pdf

We're the most densely populated state. We do more with less land and resources.
Bitchkitten
29-11-2006, 00:44
Texas.
Most contrary place in the universe.

It also has Austin City Limits, Threadgill's, the bats under Congrees Street bridge, lakes, mountains, swamps, deserts and Austin's 6th Street.
It's also full of rednecks, fundies and assorted lunatics.
We had a former hit-man run for mayor of Austin, and Kinky Friedman run for Governor.
Curious Inquiry
29-11-2006, 00:45
Denial.

Nah, West Virginia. It's the closest thing I have to a home state in the US.

West Virginia is pretty close to Denial, isn't it?
Farnhamia
29-11-2006, 00:45
What is your most favorite state in the US?... And why, of course.


I'm partial to New Jersey. It has a sparkle :D

...
I have not the comedic talent to pursue this one, I will leave it to funnier men than myself.

I love the Great Garden State of New Jersey. Living here makes me feel just a little bit superior to anyone who lives anywhere else.

Of course New Jersey! I was born there, grew up there! And watch it, Red_Letter, only us that are from there or live there get to make fun of new Jersey. (Why does Jersey have more toxic waste sites and California more lawyers? New Jersey got to choose first.)
Greater Trostia
29-11-2006, 00:47
What do we grow? Pharmaceuticals, Biotech, and whoop ass. We export cans of it all over the world.

Seriously though, we grow cranberries, corn, soybeans, tomatos, and many other crops. We've got dairy cows as well, but nowadays we mainly focus on pharmaceutical and biotech industry I think.

Are you seriously classifying cranberries as a crop? It's more like some sour-ass red glop.

What's "Kalifornia"?

It's like California, but with a more germanicized first letter?
Swilatia
29-11-2006, 00:48
Poland. yes it is a state. it's an independent state.
Kryozerkia
29-11-2006, 00:49
My favourite state? Stoned. :D
Red_Letter
29-11-2006, 00:49
Of course New Jersey! I was born there, grew up there! And watch it, Red_Letter, only us that are from there or live there get to make fun of new Jersey. (Why does Jersey have more toxic waste sites and California more lawyers? New Jersey got to choose first.)

Fine, give me one opening to make a mullet joke and I'll be on my way.
Swilatia
29-11-2006, 00:53
My favourite state? Stoned. :D

you win this thread. and another one.
NERVUN
29-11-2006, 00:56
So really, when jealous non-Californians make not-that-funny jibes about California "falling into the sea" they are actually expressing a desire for the US economy and nation to plummet into the depths as well.
Actually I'm expressing the wish to get some ocean front land for cheap, but I'm a Nevadan and making fun of California is what we do for entertainment. ;)

I'll take my home state. Yeah, I know, most people think Nevada either is a barren desert or starts and ends at the Las Vegas Strip, but I challenge you to come to Nevada and stand on the playa of the Black Rock Desert under that intense Nevada blue sky, with the whistling wind being the only sound you can hear. I challenge you to stand on the top of Mt Rose and see all the majestic glory of Lake Tahoe, surely the fairest sight the whole earth can afford, as Mark Twain said. I challenge you to walk in the Valley of Fire amoung the red rocks on a summer's day, feeling that intense heat. I challenge you to look upon the Ruby Mountains from Elko, and to climb up and visit the bristle cone pine, the oldest living creature on this planet. I challenge you to go into the interior along the loneliest road in America, knowing that you are the only human for miles, and then tell me that Nevada is not beautiful.

THEN we can go to the Stip and hit the casinos. :D
Greater Trostia
29-11-2006, 01:01
W
http://www.locationnj.com/BioTechCompanies.asp

http://www.thelabrat.com/jobs/companies/BiotechNewJersey.shtml


Yeah, but we have more (http://www.thelabrat.com/jobs/companies/BiotechCalifornia.shtml).

We're the most densely populated state. We do more with less land and resources.

To me that just says California still has room for more growth while NJ does not.

Actually I'm expressing the wish to get some ocean front land for cheap, but I'm a Nevadan and making fun of California is what we do for entertainment.

Pfft. I thought paying money to mobbed-up casinos and hookers was what you did for entertainment. :p
Drunk commies deleted
29-11-2006, 01:04
Yeah, but we have more (http://www.thelabrat.com/jobs/companies/BiotechCalifornia.shtml).



To me that just says California still has room for more growth while NJ does not.



Pfft. I thought paying money to mobbed-up casinos and hookers was what you did for entertainment. :p

Well, my state can still kick your state's ass, steal it's car, and fuck it's girlfriend and dare your state to do something about it.
Chandelier
29-11-2006, 01:05
I like Florida.:)
NERVUN
29-11-2006, 01:07
Pfft. I thought paying money to mobbed-up casinos and hookers was what you did for entertainment. :p
Naw, naw man. You got it all wrong. CALIFORNIANS and others come to pay money to the nice hookers and the casinos. You forget, Nevada's economy is set up so that people come to my state and give us their money, usually for nothing in return. And for some reason, this works!
Farnhamia
29-11-2006, 01:12
Well, my state can still kick your state's ass, steal it's car, and fuck it's girlfriend and dare your state to do something about it.

Well said. :D
Lacadaemon
29-11-2006, 01:12
Where's the love for delaware.
Ashmoria
29-11-2006, 01:18
maine

the way life should be
Zilam
29-11-2006, 01:20
Illinois

Illinois has to be one of the better states in the union. Now, I know most people think of Chicago when they hear Illinois, but there is far more to this great state.


And I am too lazy to go into detail. But it rocks, well as long as you are south of I-70, then you get some good culture and scenery.
Curious Inquiry
29-11-2006, 01:24
you win this thread. and another one.

Hey! I was first! :mad:
Kryozerkia
29-11-2006, 01:27
you win this thread. and another one.

I win... uh... STDs as Punishment!
Cannot think of a name
29-11-2006, 01:29
California, it has everything.
Vetalia
29-11-2006, 01:29
Ohio, because I live here.
Zilam
29-11-2006, 01:29
I win... uh... STDs as Punishment!


I don't think i'd brag about winning STDs ;)
Greyenivol Colony
29-11-2006, 01:30
Probably Louisiana, because I like Cajun food.

Or maybe Illinois, 'cos my home town (Birmingham, UK) is twinned with Chicago, IL, and they sent us loads of pretty pictures of themselves last year.

But definately nothing in the North-East or the West Coast... those are the snobby states.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
29-11-2006, 01:30
Where's the love for delaware.
Delaware . . . Delaware . . . I'm sure I've heard of that before. Wait, that's a suburb of Philadelphia, right?
:p
Antikythera
29-11-2006, 01:31
colorado:cool:
Liberated New Ireland
29-11-2006, 01:31
Of course New Jersey! I was born there, grew up there! And watch it, Red_Letter, only us that are from there or live there get to make fun of new Jersey. (Why does Jersey have more toxic waste sites and California more lawyers? New Jersey got to choose first.)

Hell yeah! New Jersey > All.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/New_Jersey_Devils.gif
Cannot think of a name
29-11-2006, 01:31
Naw, naw man. You got it all wrong. CALIFORNIANS and others come to pay money to the nice hookers and the casinos. You forget, Nevada's economy is set up so that people come to my state and give us their money, usually for nothing in return. And for some reason, this works!
You gotta admire something that works. No if you'd just unclench with you marijuana laws...
My favourite state? Stoned. :D

I like that one lots, too
Kryozerkia
29-11-2006, 01:32
I don't think i'd brag about winning STDs ;)
Sensually transitive databases!
Kiryu-shi
29-11-2006, 01:33
In order, Maine, New York, Washington. I really haven't been to many states though.
Zilam
29-11-2006, 01:34
California, it has everything.

It doesn't have me;)


Ohio, because I live here.

ugh, I hate Ohio. Everytime I drive to PA, i dread the portion of ohio, especially from the indiana border until around zanesfield or cambridge.
Maroze
29-11-2006, 01:35
West Virginia. I like Wyoming, Texas, and North Carolina too though.
I've been to California, couldn't wait to get back home. So ya'll have Hollywood, some big cities and some huge trees. So what? I don't like Virginia, or most of the states northeast of WV. and if anybody says Kansas, you're crazy.
Zilam
29-11-2006, 01:39
West Virginia. I like Wyoming, Texas, and North Carolina too though.
I've been to California, couldn't wait to get back home. So ya'll have Hollywood, some big cities and some huge trees. So what? I don't like Virginia, or most of the states northeast of WV. and if anybody says Kansas, you're crazy.

I LOVE North Carolina. Its in my top 5 of places to visit on vacation.
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 01:42
Nebraska, because I'm here;)
Seriously though I like the unicameral nonpartisan legislature here and at least where I live there is enough to do to keep me occupied. Only thing that could really improve it would be for the people in general to shift to the left a bit more. That and better weather.

New Yorks fun too and I have family on Long Island so I don't have to pay for a hotel when I go there:)
Zilam
29-11-2006, 01:57
Nebraska, because I'm here;)
Seriously though I like the unicameral nonpartisan legislature here and at least where I live there is enough to do to keep me occupied. Only thing that could really improve it would be for the people in general to shift to the left a bit more. That and better weather.

New Yorks fun too and I have family on Long Island so I don't have to pay for a hotel when I go there:)

What exactly IS in Nebraska?
Sarkhaan
29-11-2006, 02:00
What is your most favorite state in the US?... And why, of course.


I'm partial to New Jersey. It has a sparkle :D
That "sparkle" is called "radioactivity" ;)
Sorry DCD...I'm from CT. We have to rip on you guys, no matter how much it irritates you ;)

Well, my state can still kick your state's ass, steal it's car, and fuck it's girlfriend and dare your state to do something about it.
And, if you actually decide to do something about it, they know a guy who can "take care" of your "little problem".


For me, it is New England (yes. I know. Not a state. If you really want, it would break down into CT, MA, RI, ME, VT, NH, in that order). I liked Hawai'i, but I can see how it would get boring to live there.

I do admit to a certain soft spot for NJ, too. I blame my dad and my friends.
Infinite Revolution
29-11-2006, 02:04
i've been to los angeles, including disneyland and some of the city, and newark airport. i prefered newark airport international terminal to disneyland.
Carnivorous Lickers
29-11-2006, 02:10
New Jersey is awesome because Frank Sinatra was born there and it has the most dangerous city in the US 3 years running.

I like Minnesota. It's nice and green.

I loved New Jersey when I lived there-and I lived in the 2nd safest city in the country for 5 years in a row. Now its #1 in the country. It had the best of everythin gas far as I was concerned. I was right by one of the best beaches you could ask for, there had to be a dozen or more great restaurants minutes from my house. Beautiful sunrises and sunsets, seagulls and salt air.
I still miss New Jersey, but now I'm starting to love the mountains of PA I live in.

I've also spent a lot of time out west and really love Arizona and Utah.

Its very hard to pin down a favorite single state if you've spent any time in more than that one.
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 02:11
What exactly IS in Nebraska?

Omaha, has pretty much what you would expect to find in a city with a higher population then Miami, so there are theaters both movie and performance, a few art galleries, bookstores, all the basic things ou would expect to find in a city. As for tourist stuff there are a few things ranging from serious, the Omaha Henry Doorly Zoo is comparable to the San Fran. Zoo though a good deal cheaper, to odd, Carhedge a replica of Stonehedge made out of old cars, to the fairly typical things you can find in most places like town museums, fossil digs, historical reconsturction villiages, state parks, ect. Really depends on what you want, in Omaha and Lincoln you can find most of the things you would expect in cities of their size. Personaly though I was going more by state goverment structure when I picked here, I like the way we have things set up, we even distribute electoral votes in a quasi-proportional manner, with one vote going to the winner in each ot the congressional districts, and the remaining to the over all winner of the state. So honestly it was that stuff that motivated me, that and its home kinda like how the New Jerseyites were able to stomach voteing for NJ;)
MeansToAnEnd
29-11-2006, 02:13
Kansas is a beautiful state for those who appreciate its splendor.
Sel Appa
29-11-2006, 02:15
What is your most favorite state in the US?... And why, of course.


I'm partial to New Jersey. It has a sparkle :D

YAY!

In some order I like New Jersey, Vermont, and Rhode Island...or maybe all are equal.
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 02:15
Kansas is a beautiful state for those who appreciate its splendor.

Pff, even we think Kansas is a hick state;)
Ralina
29-11-2006, 02:15
Illinois, because I have lived here my entire life, and it has Chicago, my favorite city.

Second runner up would be Utah. If only they had a massive city.
Carnivorous Lickers
29-11-2006, 02:15
New Yorks fun too and I have family on Long Island so I don't have to pay for a hotel when I go there:)

New York is great too-I've lived in Brooklyn and upstate. I used to have a place in Orient out on Long Island- there are vinyards there with excellent wine. Most people dont know how beautiful and peaceful the beaches of the Hamptons and Montauk are.
I've camped in the Adirondaks and white water rafted, fished for salmon and watched bear.

I find the best things anywhere I go.
MeansToAnEnd
29-11-2006, 02:17
Pff, even we think Kansas is a hick state;)

Alas, many people seem to share that sentiment. :( I appreciate Kansas for what it is, though.
MrWho
29-11-2006, 02:18
By default its California because I've lived there all my life. I've been to Montana but it was mostly farms and seemed so boring and empty. I travelled to New York and its a nice and thriving place but after awhile I would probably get tired of it. Although I wouldn't mind living in Hawaii. Its a nice place and the beaches were great. Although I would rather prefer oahu over the mainland because thats where most of the people live.
Bitchkitten
29-11-2006, 02:18
Kansas is a beautiful state for those who appreciate its splendor.Ah, the splendor that is creationism in public schools and the Rev. Fred Phelps. I'm not surprised you like it. But ya'll scare even the Okies.
Liberated New Ireland
29-11-2006, 02:20
Its very hard to pin down a favorite single state if you've spent any time in more than that one.

*shrug* Not necessarily.

I've lived in Maryland for ten years, I've lived in Florida and Virginia... and New Jersey is easily my favorite state.
Carnivorous Lickers
29-11-2006, 02:20
SO honnestly it was that stuff that motivated me, that and its home kinda like how the New Jerseyites were able to stomach voteing for NJ;)

I rarely had a bad time in NJ- I even spent a night in Camden,NJ which is one of the most dangerous places on earth.
My son and I slept over on the USS New Jersey Battleship in Camden Harbor, so we were safe.

New Jersey gets a bad rap, but its mostly bullshit. There is far more good than bad in NJ.
Sheadin
29-11-2006, 02:21
Where's the love for Wisconsin....

we make cheese, and drink lots of beer! Yeah Miller!
also, this state is pretty stable...besides the recent poll results in the gay marriage amendment...we are doing alright.
Lakes, green green grass and hills...abundance of forests, lets not forget..the seasons!!! yay for winter summer spring and fall :)
Edwardis
29-11-2006, 02:22
Pennsylvania

Close second is West Virginia
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 02:23
I rarely had a bad time in NJ- I even spent a night in Camden,NJ which is one of the most dangerous places on earth.
My son and I slept over on the USS New Jersey Battleship in Camden Harbor, so we were safe.

New Jersey gets a bad rap, but its mostly bullshit. There is far more good than bad in NJ.

I can't help making fun of NJ my dad's from Manhattan originaly and his attitude has kind of rubbed off, although it is just in good fun I've been there and it isn't too bad;)
CthulhuFhtagn
29-11-2006, 02:24
Roe Dyelin.
German Nightmare
29-11-2006, 02:25
Altered ;)
Denial.

Good job, you two. ;) (Well, you know, I was waaay too slow! :D)
Granate
29-11-2006, 02:25
Indiana.
We got.... ummm.... uhhh..... some.... uhhh.... you know ..... uhhhh corn and uhhhh Soy Beans?

And the Colts.

Also Micheal Jackson was born in Gary, Indiana. If that means anything.
Carnivorous Lickers
29-11-2006, 02:29
By default its California because I've lived there all my life. I've been to Montana but it was mostly farms and seemed so boring and empty. I travelled to New York and its a nice and thriving place but after awhile I would probably get tired of it. Although I wouldn't mind living in Hawaii. Its a nice place and the beaches were great. Although I would rather prefer oahu over the mainland because thats where most of the people live.

Hawaii is beautiful, but I spent 6 mos in Maui and found the locals dont really care much for haolies.
MrWho
29-11-2006, 02:32
Hawaii is beautiful, but I spent 6 mos in Maui and found the locals dont really care much for haolies.

What are haolies?
Secret aj man
29-11-2006, 02:41
What is your most favorite state in the US?... And why, of course.


I'm partial to New Jersey. It has a sparkle :D

i have dual residence,in n.j. and in pa.

i love the people in south jersey,i love the beach i live at,i love the pine barrens.

i cant stand north jersey...and i despise the state government,and their fucked up laws and presumption to know whats best for me.

i love pennsylvania....period

got a place up north i like to go to.

quick story that relates to both.

myself and friends,at our 25 acre spot up the mountains(right across the river from jersey)were shooting 1 sunday morning.
we have a backstop that is up against the forest.
we shoot sundays around noon cause my buddies grandpa has bad memories from ww2,so out of respect we wait till he goes to church.
he doesnt really care,but we try to be considerate of his feelings.
he gave all his guns to my friend cause he dont like guns,but the fact that he gave thenm to my friend is basically his way of saying he is not anti gun..just dont want to be around them

keep in mind everyones houses are about 3-5 miles apart.

anyway,we were shooting...ak's,scoping in the bolt rifles and shotguns(sabot rounds)and here the gravel crunching in the drive.
a pa. statey pulls up,asks whats up...we tell him we are justing sighting in some guns for the hunting season,and blasting junk with the ak's.

he says..hate to bother you but i got to respond to all calls,some rich yuppies up the road heard gunfire and freaked out.
they just moved in(the new york rich yuppies are moving down and buying up all the land to build mcmansions on)more bang for their real estate buck i suppose.
then he says...well they better get use to it...and laughs.
then he asks to try out 1 of the ak's,of coarse we let him..he thanks us and tells us to enjoy the beautiful day!
then leaves.

if that was n.j.(5 miles away)
they would have a swat team there,dudes jumping out of choppers,probably a 4 hour ordeal while they inspected every gun for any kind of "illegal modification"
ran everyone for warrents,parking tickets,etc.

all the while being rude and little hitlers,to people not doing anything wrong on their own property!

thats why i have 2 homes...n.j. is beautiful....mountains,pines,beaches,casinos..everything...but common sense+they want to reach into everyones wallet over any infraction of any inane law they can come up with..you know..."for public safety"
fucking leeches and vultures.
the people are nice..the gov is like the gestapo.

pa..

dont bother or hurt anyone..we dont bother or hurt you.

pretty easy going way to live.

if you do screw up in pa.,they dont screw around..at all,life is life(no parole..only a govenors pardon)

n.j.
murder gets you(life?) 7 years...then your out..and gee..why do they have high crime here?
it's the guns of coarse,not our misguided policies.

so all in all,i love the beach..but i'll take pa.

plus i love to ski!

i hear montana is pretty cool,as is maine and vermont.
although i hear the latter is getting screwed up by again,rich liberals from nyc moving with their money and trying to tell everyone how to live..

stay the hell home yuppie if you dont like the way it is done in the country.

pretty unfair to exspect everyone to change cause you want the norman rockwell painting for your front yard...and ignore what made it that way
Maineiacs
29-11-2006, 02:43
Altered ;)

Denial.

Nah, West Virginia. It's the closest thing I have to a home state in the US.

My favourite state? Stoned. :D

Arousal. :D
Maineiacs
29-11-2006, 02:44
In order, Maine, New York, Washington. I really haven't been to many states though.

Never been here in January, eh?
The Goa uld
29-11-2006, 02:45
Arizona, because of the state's natural setting (Grand Canyon, Sedona, etc). Sure, Phoenix may be a sprawling dump, but Tucson and Flagstaff balances that out quite nicely.
Texoma Land
29-11-2006, 02:56
Minnesota without a doubt, followed by Wisconsin. Even in the winter. I also really like Vermont and Maine. And while it is not among my top picks, Kansas does have some pretty landscape. The range lands between Wichita and Emporia are quite striking. But you couldn't pay me enough to live among the nut jobs who call it home.
NERVUN
29-11-2006, 03:01
Kansas does have some pretty landscape.
Kansas has landscape?! :eek:

I remember reading a study that proved that the state IS actually flatter than a pancake. :D
Liberated New Ireland
29-11-2006, 03:16
Kansas has landscape?! :eek:

I remember reading a study that proved that the state IS actually flatter than a pancake. :D

I think Darknovae would object to this comparison.
Texoma Land
29-11-2006, 03:16
Kansas has landscape?! :eek:

I remember reading a study that proved that the state IS actually flatter than a pancake. :D

No doubt. :p But it's all a matter of scale. After all, if the earth were the size of a billiard ball, it would be far smoother than a billiard ball.

But the range lands I spoke of are really rather hilly and rugged. Not at all what I expected from Kansas.
NERVUN
29-11-2006, 03:18
I think Darknovae would object to this comparison.
Dare I ask why?
New Xero Seven
29-11-2006, 03:23
New South Wales.
[NS]Liberty EKB
29-11-2006, 03:24
New Hampshire

no sales tax
no capital gains tax
no income tax
Liberated New Ireland
29-11-2006, 03:40
Dare I ask why?

Threatening teh Pancake's supremacy. *shakes head*
NERVUN
29-11-2006, 03:45
Threatening teh Pancake's supremacy. *shakes head*
The wisdom of 28 years as well as being a married man informs me that one should NEVER attempt to imply in any way shape or form that a lady may be flat.

I'd like to survive, thank you. ;)
Antrium
29-11-2006, 03:53
I'll be the first to say Iowa. (I'll admit, I skipped a few pages, so if someone beat me to it...then I'm just another person...but I seriously doubt that knowing that most people don't even know where it is. :rolleyes:) Where I live is, and this may surprise you, actually a town, with no corn or pigs!! :eek:

It's only because it's my home and I feel somewhat patriotic about it for some reason. But I don't mind it as much as my friends do, I could see myself living here for a while.

Although I do love Colorado too.
Freedomstaki
29-11-2006, 04:02
Massachusetts.

Two reasons.

1. My home state.
2. If it wasn't for my state the rest of you bastards would still be drinking tea and waving the Union Jack on Empire Day.
Free Soviets
29-11-2006, 04:03
Where's the love for Wisconsin....

yeah, north downstate illinois is a pretty nice place. nicer than most of south downstate illinois. but clearly the best is illinois proper. by which i mean chicago.
New Stalinberg
29-11-2006, 04:54
Texas.
Most contrary place in the universe.

It also has Austin City Limits, Threadgill's, the bats under Congrees Street bridge, lakes, mountains, swamps, deserts and Austin's 6th Street.
It's also full of rednecks, fundies and assorted lunatics.
We had a former hit-man run for mayor of Austin, and Kinky Friedman run for Governor.

1. Do you live in Austin? It seems like you do.
2. Austin and Ozoana are the only nice places in Texas. If you say you like Texas, it means you like Austin or you're a redneck.
3. I met Kinky Friendman, it was pretty cool. :D

Oh, and Congress Street bridge had it's name changed FYI.
Sheadin
29-11-2006, 05:29
Wisconsin cont.

allllllsooooo.......state street [if anyone has been there] andMadisoningeneralis AMAZIIIING. but University of Wisconsin-Madison hell yes.
Dosuun
29-11-2006, 05:34
Minnesota. Though South Dakota is not far behind on my list.
Novus-America
29-11-2006, 06:17
You Jersey Jerks stay the Hell outta New York; I nearly got into three accidents because of you people. Learn how to yield, bastards. . .

Obviously, I was born and raised in New York, but I'm from Upstate, so don't include me with those crazies from NYC. I will not be staying in NY, though; taxes are too high. I want to move to New Hampshire for reasons already posted. The Midwest is appealing, though. . .
Wallonochia
29-11-2006, 07:13
Kansas is a beautiful state for those who appreciate its splendor.

You guys need to do something to make I-70 more interesting. I was driving from Missourri to Colorado once and was contemplating suicide about the time I got to Manhattan. Also, I'm convinced that tumbleweeds in Kansas home in on cars on the freeway.
Poliwanacraca
29-11-2006, 07:22
Massachusetts. I've travelled around most of the country, and I don't believe I've seen any place more beautiful than the Berkshire mountains. I'd happily live there for the rest of my life.

I also have a certain fondness for my home state, Missouri, which I don't believe anyone's mentioned yet. It's a rather excellent microcosm of the country at large, which makes it an interesting place to live.

As for my least favorite state, New Jersey wins that hands-down. While the state itself may not be all bad, the year I spent living there certainly was, along with the vast majority of the people I knew there. (And, really, is there anywhere in the world uglier than Newark?)
Poliwanacraca
29-11-2006, 07:26
You guys need to do something to make I-70 more interesting. I was driving from Missourri to Colorado once and was contemplating suicide about the time I got to Manhattan. Also, I'm convinced that tumbleweeds in Kansas home in on cars on the freeway.

Oh, ye gods. I've done that drive, too, and it really is awful. I-70 in Kansas may be the most utterly boring stretch of highway in the world.
Maraque
29-11-2006, 07:47
New York of course. Home to the best city in the world. :p
Hallucinogenic Tonic
29-11-2006, 08:19
Maine! Never been...Dying to go; it just really appeals to me for some reason!
Meridiani Planum
29-11-2006, 08:41
What is your most favorite state in the US?... And why, of course.

Hawaii!
Hanon
29-11-2006, 08:46
Texas, of course. What else? We're just plain awesome that way.
Xill
29-11-2006, 10:58
I like California because it's the only one I've ever been to. I went there in Winter and it was Summer there and all nice and warm, but cooler than a Summr here, which is nice because it gets REALLY hot where I am.
Branin
29-11-2006, 11:01
Texas.
Most contrary place in the universe.

It also has Austin City Limits, Threadgill's, the bats under Congrees Street bridge, lakes, mountains, swamps, deserts and Austin's 6th Street.
It's also full of rednecks, fundies and assorted lunatics.
We had a former hit-man run for mayor of Austin, and Kinky Friedman run for Governor.

*is hoping to be Austin City Limits within the next few months*

I'll keep you posted.
Risottia
29-11-2006, 12:51
Never been in the US, but West Coast, NY and Massachusetts look fine. Also Alaska 'cause I like cold climates.
Florida looks like a huge overheated swamp to me. Midwest's got too many tornadoes, Texas's got too many Bush, the Bible belt's got too many MTAEs. Utah and Nevada are too radioactive. Hawaii are in the middle of nothing.
Branin
29-11-2006, 12:55
Oh, ye gods. I've done that drive, too, and it really is awful. I-70 in Kansas may be the most utterly boring stretch of highway in the world.

The very begining (or ending, depending on how you look at it) of I-70 is about an hour north of me. And even that part is boring. I think I live in a beautiful state. And I think they found the most boring possible stretch of it to put I-70 in. That road is evil. (although it actually pretty through parts of colorado)
Drunk commies deleted
29-11-2006, 17:11
You Jersey Jerks stay the Hell outta New York; I nearly got into three accidents because of you people. Learn how to yield, bastards. . .

Obviously, I was born and raised in New York, but I'm from Upstate, so don't include me with those crazies from NYC. I will not be staying in NY, though; taxes are too high. I want to move to New Hampshire for reasons already posted. The Midwest is appealing, though. . .

Yield? What the fuck is that? Hey, why can't New Yorkers learn how to use a traffic circle, or keep right except to pass?
Lacadaemon
29-11-2006, 17:14
Yield? What the fuck is that? Hey, why can't New Yorkers learn how to use a traffic circle, or keep right except to pass?

This is why jersey is so conformist and suburban.
Peepelonia
29-11-2006, 17:18
Drunk and comatose!


Ohhh you mean State! can't say I've ever thought about it much, ummm where does Jack Daniles come from?
Kyronea
29-11-2006, 17:18
What is your most favorite state in the US?... And why, of course.


I'm partial to New Jersey. It has a sparkle :D

Colorado!

Beautiful mountains, forests abundant with wildlife...the ability to actually GET AWAY from people...it's a wonderful place. I'd never give it up unless there was no other choice.
Aronnax
29-11-2006, 17:21
New York New York, how i hate New York

Its polluted, expensive dangerous and smelly
Drunk commies deleted
29-11-2006, 17:24
This is why jersey is so conformist and suburban.

Because we drive like we actually want to get someplace?
Wallonochia
29-11-2006, 17:32
Never been in the US, but West Coast, NY and Massachusetts look fine. Also Alaska 'cause I like cold climates.
Florida looks like a huge overheated swamp to me. Midwest's got too many tornadoes, Texas's got too many Bush, the Bible belt's got too many MTAEs. Utah and Nevada are too radioactive. Hawaii are in the middle of nothing.

I think you're confusing these terms. "Tornado alley" is generally thought of as this area.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Significant_tornado_alley.gif

And the Bible Belt is this.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/BibleBelt.png

So as you can see, they share a large area. Most of what's thought of as the Midwest isn't in "tornado alley".

Here's a picture of what's thought of as the Midwest. Of course, there are differences of opinion, but this is what I've always thought of the Midwest. The half-shaded states are states that are only sometimes thought of as being in the Midwest.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/US_map-Midwest.PNG
Liuzzo
29-11-2006, 17:36
What is your most favorite state in the US?... And why, of course.


I'm partial to New Jersey. It has a sparkle :D

I prefer NJ as well since I live there. NJ is close to everything you could possibly want temperate climate, plenty of rain, beaches, lakes, rivers, mountains, wildlife, amsuement parks, close to NYC and Philly, The pocono mountains are close, deleware white water rafting, fishing salt and fresh, hunting, great parks, highest rate of students moving on to college, one of the highest SAT scores in the nation, tops in national test scores for students grades 4, 8, 11., second wealthiest state next to Conn as we battle for the top spot each year. Contary to popular belief we're not all highways and dumps. Most people who use stereotypical crap to bash NJ have never spent much time here. Not much to be left wanting for except lower property taxes.
Eve Online
29-11-2006, 17:41
Virginia.
Liuzzo
29-11-2006, 17:44
I loved New Jersey when I lived there-and I lived in the 2nd safest city in the country for 5 years in a row. Now its #1 in the country. It had the best of everythin gas far as I was concerned. I was right by one of the best beaches you could ask for, there had to be a dozen or more great restaurants minutes from my house. Beautiful sunrises and sunsets, seagulls and salt air.
I still miss New Jersey, but now I'm starting to love the mountains of PA I live in.

I've also spent a lot of time out west and really love Arizona and Utah.

Its very hard to pin down a favorite single state if you've spent any time in more than that one.

Carn, Brick NJ is the #1 safest city. As a matter of fact NJ contains 4 of the top 25 safest. Funny, our "towns" are bigger than most cities in the rest of the podunk country.
New Burmesia
29-11-2006, 17:59
The UK.
Free Soviets
29-11-2006, 18:02
Here's a picture of what's thought of as the Midwest. Of course, there are differences of opinion, but this is what I've always thought of the Midwest. The half-shaded states are states that are only sometimes thought of as being in the Midwest.

and when i want to exclude those half-shaded ones, iowa, downstate illinois, and all of indiana except for the bit that is part of chicago, i just say i'm from the great lakes region
Carnivorous Lickers
29-11-2006, 18:13
i have dual residence,in n.j. and in pa.

i love the people in south jersey,i love the beach i live at,i love the pine barrens.

i cant stand north jersey...and i despise the state government,and their fucked up laws and presumption to know whats best for me.

i love pennsylvania....period

got a place up north i like to go to.

quick story that relates to both.

myself and friends,at our 25 acre spot up the mountains(right across the river from jersey)were shooting 1 sunday morning.
we have a backstop that is up against the forest.
we shoot sundays around noon cause my buddies grandpa has bad memories from ww2,so out of respect we wait till he goes to church.
he doesnt really care,but we try to be considerate of his feelings.
he gave all his guns to my friend cause he dont like guns,but the fact that he gave thenm to my friend is basically his way of saying he is not anti gun..just dont want to be around them

keep in mind everyones houses are about 3-5 miles apart.

anyway,we were shooting...ak's,scoping in the bolt rifles and shotguns(sabot rounds)and here the gravel crunching in the drive.
a pa. statey pulls up,asks whats up...we tell him we are justing sighting in some guns for the hunting season,and blasting junk with the ak's.

he says..hate to bother you but i got to respond to all calls,some rich yuppies up the road heard gunfire and freaked out.
they just moved in(the new york rich yuppies are moving down and buying up all the land to build mcmansions on)more bang for their real estate buck i suppose.
then he says...well they better get use to it...and laughs.
then he asks to try out 1 of the ak's,of coarse we let him..he thanks us and tells us to enjoy the beautiful day!
then leaves.

if that was n.j.(5 miles away)
they would have a swat team there,dudes jumping out of choppers,probably a 4 hour ordeal while they inspected every gun for any kind of "illegal modification"
ran everyone for warrents,parking tickets,etc.

all the while being rude and little hitlers,to people not doing anything wrong on their own property!

thats why i have 2 homes...n.j. is beautiful....mountains,pines,beaches,casinos..everything...but common sense+they want to reach into everyones wallet over any infraction of any inane law they can come up with..you know..."for public safety"
fucking leeches and vultures.
the people are nice..the gov is like the gestapo.

pa..

dont bother or hurt anyone..we dont bother or hurt you.

pretty easy going way to live.

if you do screw up in pa.,they dont screw around..at all,life is life(no parole..only a govenors pardon)

n.j.
murder gets you(life?) 7 years...then your out..and gee..why do they have high crime here?
it's the guns of coarse,not our misguided policies.

so all in all,i love the beach..but i'll take pa.

plus i love to ski!

i hear montana is pretty cool,as is maine and vermont.
although i hear the latter is getting screwed up by again,rich liberals from nyc moving with their money and trying to tell everyone how to live..

stay the hell home yuppie if you dont like the way it is done in the country.

pretty unfair to exspect everyone to change cause you want the norman rockwell painting for your front yard...and ignore what made it that way

You wouldnt happen to be in Pike County,PA, would you?
Carnivorous Lickers
29-11-2006, 18:18
Carn, Brick NJ is the #1 safest city. As a matter of fact NJ contains 4 of the top 25 safest. Funny, our "towns" are bigger than most cities in the rest of the podunk country.

Yep-I know. It moved to the #1 spot right after I moved out.

Probably not any coincidence. *L*

I'm well aware, after living and spending time all over the state, people that bitch about NJ have only experienced the bad spots.

NJ has way more good than bad.

Taxes are high,yes-but-we got a lot for our taxes there.

People think they know all about NJ because they've driven on the turnpike or been to Newark airport.
That would be like me categorizing all of Ca after only being to South Central LA.
Wallonochia
29-11-2006, 18:25
and when i want to exclude those half-shaded ones, iowa, downstate illinois, and all of indiana except for the bit that is part of chicago, i just say i'm from the great lakes region

That's what I generally say. I've never liked the term "Midwest"
Neo Bretonnia
29-11-2006, 18:28
Despite having lived in Maryland my whole life, and despite the raw coolness of living in a state whose official sport is jousting (seriously!) my favorite state is Colorado. Gonna move out there in a few years.
Ice Hockey Players
29-11-2006, 18:30
Allow me to bash every one of your states one by one. I will bash the ones people listed as their favorites.

Alaska - Nice place, really, if you don't mind that most of your state is completely inaccessible and it's cool with you that it's dark at noon this time of year. Maybe that's why everyone up there grows pot.
California - The land of fruits, nuts, angry liberals, and ordinary people forced to buy $500,000 houses. And Arnold Schwarzenegger? Get real. Electing Reagan as Governor was bad enough. Who's next? Pauly Fucking Shore?
Colorado - The state whose only claims to fame are thin air, trying to fuck its vote for President up, and inspiring South Park. You guys have South Park. Rhode Island has Family Guy. Rhode Island wins. You lost to Rhode Island. Ha ha. P.S. The Avalanche sucks.
Connecticut - If Joe Lieberman didn't exist, you guys would be nonexistent. And how much does your state suck if great minds come there, grow up there, go to Yale, and then still claim they're from Texas?
Delaware - The First State. Yeah, is that the best you can do? Well, considering the entire state is the size of an office building, I guess all the great minds squeezed themselves out of there like Easy Cheese. Seriously. Who the hell wants to be from Delaware? No one, that's who.
Florida - Hey, did you ever finish counting those votes? If it weren't warm there in December, we'd tell you guys you're on your own.
Hawaii - The only state made entirely from volcanoes. Seriously. This state exists because the Earth had diarrhea.
Illinois - Home of Chicago, "vote early, vote often," and not much else. Oh yeah, and the three-story building with a view of the entire state.
Indiana - Otherwise known as that pesky state you have to drive through to get from Detroit to Chicago.
Iowa - Come to Des Moines, which is French for "five years behind the rest of the country in everything." Or "The Moines," whichever.
Kansas - Your most famous resident is the nation's most famous asshole. You guys couldn't be more backward if you changed you name to "sasnaK".
Louisiana - I got nothing for you guys. Oh yeah, except that some of you guys speak really...umm, unintelligibly. Yeah, that's it.
Maine - You guys exist just so Washington could placate the South. Seriously. What the hell is there in Maine? What is there? I just plain don't know.
Maryland - You guys have really good seafood...for a state that looks like a Super Soaker from a map.
Massachusetts - And to think, some people have actually driven through Boston and lived to tell about it.
Minnesota - Why don't you guys just secede and join Canada and be done with it already?
Missouri - Congratulations. Your gift to the world is watered-down grain sewage. Way to make the rest of the states look bad with your crappy beer.
Nebraska - Your football team is called the "Cornhuskers." I have to ask: is there ANYTHING in that state besides corn? I think Stewie Griffin pegged you guys.
Nevada - I shouldn't judge just on Las Vegas, perhaps the only economy in the world that is funded entirely by piracy and the $4 buffet. What else is in Nevada? Oh yeah. The part you have to drive through to reach Las Vegas.
New Hampshire - State motto: "Just do whatever the hell you want; we're taking lunch."
New Jersey - Hmmm...we have Atlantic City, New York City's backyard, and the Turnpike. Oh yeah, and the big toxic waste field. Yeah, that about makes a state. The Founders' work is done.
New York - It's not just a city on the Atlantic. No, really! There's lots more than Times Square and Manhattan. There's...umm, Staten Island! Yeah! And Brooklyn! And that part that gets lots of snow!
North Carolina - Tobacco and basketball. And Mayberry. So you've gotten the rest of us hooked on cigarettes, stolen all our really tall people, and all the while we still think of you as a nice, quaint Southern state. Well done.
Ohio - Home of Cowtown, the Mistake on the Lake, and Jerry Springer. And a convicted felon for governor. Come on. If that's the best you can do, pack it up and sell off to the highest bidder. Just keep the Buckeyes.
Pennsylvania - What do you get when you combine a city full of cheesesteaks and assholes, a city full of steel and...well, more steel, and the worst of the Bible Belt? At least they only let that doofus Santorum have one term in the Senate.
Rhode Island - If it's possible to be harder to find than Delaware, you guys did it. Your most famous resident is a fat, dim-witted brewery worker with a chin that looks like a nutsack.
South Dakota - Wow. You guys must have gotten the short end. You got Mount Rushmore. North Dakota got the nukes. Watch your back, or they might take Mount Rushmore, too.
Texas - The good news is that Texas is known for its great food. The bad news is that, by the time I figure out who's running Texas and who's come out of Texas to go on to bigger and better things, I'm too sick to eat.
Utah - At least you're conveniently located, so those drunks from Vegas don't have far to drive after getting married 17 times there.
Washington - Starbucks. Microsoft. Bad weather. I'm absolutely convinced the Borg is alive and well in Washington state.
West Virginia - Almost heaven? West Virginia? Come on now.
Wisconsin - Cheese, beer, and way too much snow. Ah, fuck it; I'm getting burnt out with this list.
Wyoming - I got nothing. Frankly, neither does this state, besides a geyser that seems to go off in regular intervals...and harbors a massive volcano that's going to KILL US ALL...OK, I'm losing it...come on now...pull it together...
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 20:57
Nebraska - Your football team is called the "Cornhuskers." I have to ask: is there ANYTHING in that state besides corn? I think Stewie Griffin pegged you guys.


Actually, Iowa has more corn production than us, as far as I'm aware the biggest agricultural product here is cattle. As for what we have, we have Carhedge and the zoo here in Omaha is one of the best in the nation as two features of note. There are other things also depending on where your at, Omaha, as I've mentioned earlier has pretty much all the features one would expect of a city its size. We also have the only nonpartisan unicameral legislature in the country and are one of only two states to have a system that distributes votes in the electoral college in a semi-proportional manner instead of winner takes all.
Korarchaeota
29-11-2006, 21:31
New York New York, how i hate New York

Its polluted, expensive dangerous and smelly

yah, it's awful here...poor me for living in such a dump...

http://waterontheweb.org/data/otisco/images/Otisco2.jpg
Maraque
29-11-2006, 21:49
yah, it's awful here...poor me for living in such a dump...

http://waterontheweb.org/data/otisco/images/Otisco2.jpgWord!
Ice Hockey Players
29-11-2006, 21:55
Actually, Iowa has more corn production than us, as far as I'm aware the biggest agricultural product here is cattle. As for what we have, we have Carhedge and the zoo here in Omaha is one of the best in the nation as two features of note. There are other things also depending on where your at, Omaha, as I've mentioned earlier has pretty much all the features one would expect of a city its size. We also have the only nonpartisan unicameral legislature in the country and are one of only two states to have a system that distributes votes in the electoral college in a semi-proportional manner instead of winner takes all.

And when Nebraska's football team plays its home games, the stadium becomes the third-largest city in the state. Seriously. I HAD to bash it, and frankly, the first thing I thought of was corn. I thought of corn with Iowa, too, but I didn't want to bash two states the same way.

As for the legislature, other states should adopt the same system. But I didn't want to call Nebraska a bunch of weirdos for it.

Nebraska is all right by me, and the biggest reason why is simple: It isn't Kansas.
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 22:03
And when Nebraska's football team plays its home games, the stadium becomes the third-largest city in the state. Seriously. I HAD to bash it, and frankly, the first thing I thought of was corn. I thought of corn with Iowa, too, but I didn't want to bash two states the same way.

As for the legislature, other states should adopt the same system. But I didn't want to call Nebraska a bunch of weirdos for it.

Nebraska is all right by me, and the biggest reason why is simple: It isn't Kansas.
Personally I just think thats funny, but then I live in the biggest city in the state so it just gives me something about which to laugh at all the other people in the state who don't live here;)
Oh, and you probably should have hit us with the city one in your bash list, than you could have attacked Iowa on corn, although I supose that wouldn't have allowed the FG reference.
Ice Hockey Players
29-11-2006, 22:49
Personally I just think thats funny, but then I live in the biggest city in the state so it just gives me something about which to laugh at all the other people in the state who don't live here;)
Oh, and you probably should have hit us with the city one in your bash list, than you could have attacked Iowa on corn, although I supose that wouldn't have allowed the FG reference.

The city was actually a South Park reference, though in South Park, Des Moines is three years behind, not five years.

And I couldn't not include the Family Guy reference.

"Watch any good movies?"
"No." "No." "Uh-uh."
"Read any good books?"
"No." "Hmm-mm." "Nope."
"Anything new with corn?"
**insert lots of chatter here**
The Psyker
29-11-2006, 22:53
The city was actually a South Park reference, though in South Park, Des Moines is three years behind, not five years.
And I couldn't not include the Family Guy reference.

"Watch any good movies?"
"No." "No." "Uh-uh."
"Read any good books?"
"No." "Hmm-mm." "Nope."
"Anything new with corn?"
**insert lots of chatter here**

Yeah, I realized that right after posting that.
Free Soviets
30-11-2006, 04:55
That's what I generally say. I've never liked the term "Midwest"

i like it well enough. i just don't like iowa - it smells funny.
United Chicken Kleptos
30-11-2006, 05:31
Ohio. The women go down easy.
New Stalinberg
30-11-2006, 05:39
*is hoping to be Austin City Limits within the next few months*

I'll keep you posted.

It's in August.
Lectro-Cool
30-11-2006, 05:44
hawaii
The Eastern Hemisphere
30-11-2006, 07:19
Clearly the great state of Alabama is superior to all others listed here......nah seriously, I would have to say California, not just because I live here too. The state contains everything you could ever asked for, both in terms of cities and natural scenery.
Free Soviets
30-11-2006, 07:59
hawaii

hawai'i loses points for not letting me live there and stealing all of my money in the process.
Big Jim P
30-11-2006, 09:55
None really. I have had the good fortune to have been all over the USA, and have found that the people a largely the same (for good or ill) no matter what state I was in.
Hustlertwo
30-11-2006, 10:16
Georgia, since I'm pretty sure it's the state with the most Waffle House restaurants. The food's tasty, cheap, and occasionaly even served to you by a person with some of their original teeth.

Also, we aren't Alabama. That has to count for something.