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A lingerie shop was ordered shut down by Greenwood Indiana's city government because it supposedly violated a ban on stores selling sex toys within 1,000 feet of a church, residence, park or school. All of this was due to rumors spread at local churches that the owner was planning to start selling his dildos in the lingerie shop. So basically a man's business can be shut down because of some nosey, gossipy church ladies. I don't know, seems a little unamerican to me.

I won't link to the article because it's on an adult industry website, but I'll cut and paste it below.

Lingerie Store Harassed Under New City Ordinance
By John Stuart
Sunday, November 26, 2006







GREENWOOD, Ind. — A new city ordinance that redefines an adult entertainment business and prohibits new stores from selling sex toys has been used against the owner of a new lingerie store, according to The Indianapolis Star.
The ordinance was approved by Greenwood’s City Council four hours after the store, XO Paradise, opened. The amended ordinance regulates businesses that sell items and products for use in specified sexual activities.

“The store’s owner thought it was very unfair of the city to take such an action based on rumors,” reporter Paul Bird of The Indianapolis Star said. “She was displeased with the way the city went about it. Nobody bothered to contact her.”

Bird said the store’s owner, Michelle Kuntz, owns another business that sells marital aids. Rumors from two local churches had circulated that Kuntz planned to sell sex toys at the new store on Main St., which was within a prohibited zone.

“The new ordinance forbids the sale of sex toys within 1,000 feet of a church, a school, a residence or a park,” Bird said. “She is not selling sex toys in the new store. She is in compliance [with the new ordinance] and she said she never intended not to be.”

In spite of this, Greenwood’s Mayor Charles Henderson berated Kuntz at a City Council meeting the night she opened the store.

“It is not the kind of business we want,” Henderson said at the well-attended meeting, “and I hope you are offended enough not to open. I don’t think the intention is to sell lingerie.”

Council member Keith Hardin said the new ordinance was not aimed at Kuntz.

XO Paradise is not listed in Greenwood’s phone directory, however.

How typically small-town. All it takes is a little rumour and someone takes a fall because someone else was too stupid top understand a sarcastic remark.

Hehehe, her name is funny.

Anyway, this is dumb. Really, really dumb.

Much like my opening line.

So basically a man's business can be shut down because of some nosy, gossipy church ladies. I don't know, seems a little unamerican to me.We'll never know, since the owner of the store was a woman.

No need for a town order to shut a business down. People just need to stop buying its products. Oh, wait. If the store was there in the first place, there must be a demand for its products in this wonderful, holier-than-thou community... :rolleyes:

I wasn't aware they had porn-news websites... :p

[QUOTE=Drunk commies deleted;12007623]A lingerie shop was ordered shut down by Greenwood Indiana's city government because it supposedly violated a ban on stores selling sex toys within 1,000 feet of a church, residence, park or school. All of this was due to rumors spread at local churches that the owner was planning to start selling his dildos in the lingerie shop. So basically a man's business can be shut down because of some nosy, gossipy church ladies. I don't know, seems a little unamerican to me.
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Seems typical of the America that I've heard of that is full of hard core Christians who attempt to ban things that seem offensive. I would be suprised if you had said it was from the New York or L.A. and it had been closed down (people seem a bit more liberal there) but in the more central religious states a store like that had no chance of surviving.

I wasn't aware they had porn-news websites... :p

Oh, they do.

And why the hell aren't you on gabbly?!? :p

We'll never know, since the owner of the store was a woman.

Well, she was promoted to man.

Only in America..:headbang:

Lingerie = sex toys ? NO !

You can´t wear sex toys :)

I'm just glad I don't live anywhere near that town.


Amusing thought:Shop owner should publicly post details of her customers. That'll show em.

Or just make me laugh slightly, whatever.

Only in America..:headbang:

Lingerie = sex toys ? NO !

You can´t wear sex toys :)

Strap ons :rolleyes:

You can´t wear sex toys :)

Want a bet?

*beaten to it*

Strap ons :rolleyes:

You been doing your homework, haven´t you...:p

Anyways is the prude bible-belt attitude that I hate ..:mp5:

Only in America..:headbang:

Lingerie = sex toys ? NO !

You can´t wear sex toys :)

Strap on dildos!

Strap ons :rolleyes:

Damn, beat me to it! :fluffle:

Damn, beat me to it! :fluffle:

I like how this thread has lots of people thinking about strap-ons. It amuses me.

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I like how this thread has lots of people thinking about strap-ons. It amuses me.

I was thinking about handcuffs, bondage gear and whipped cream but anyway...

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Greenwood is not a small town, it's a suburb of Indianapolis.

Greenwood is not a small town, it's a suburb of Indianapolis.

Ugh, Indianapolis is teh lose for containing such a place.

On the apparently quite popular subject of dildoes, strap-on or otherwise, I offer this:

Robin Williams, in his Inside the Actors Studio interview, said that some of Mrs. Doubtfire was shot in a part of San Francisco that could be described as "seedy." So he would go into the shops selling sex toys, in full Mrs. Doubtfire regalia, and start asking about the merchandise. You have to hear him do the voice, but imagine Mrs. Doubtfire asking, "The double-headed one, how much is that?"

I like how this thread has lots of people thinking about strap-ons. It amuses me.

two, three or more hot babes having ago at it yer sounds fun to watch

OT, but here's a nice Dorothy Parker quote:
"Brevity is the soul of lingerie."

Seems typical of the America that I've heard of that is full of hard core Christians who attempt to ban things that seem offensive. I would be suprised if you had said it was from the New York or L.A. and it had been closed down (people seem a bit more liberal there) but in the more central religious states a store like that had no chance of surviving.

Seems typical of foreigners whose only experience with "America" is through backpage news stories and sensational rumors, all combined into a sweeping, unsubstantiated generalization which is then regurgitated onto an Internet forum.

"Religious states" Don't make me laugh.

two, three or more hot babes having ago at it yer sounds fun to watch
Who said you get to watch? And trust me, they can be used effectively on men, too.

Seems typical of foreigners whose only experience with "America" is through backpage news stories and sensational rumors, all combined into a sweeping, unsubstantiated generalization which is then regurgitated onto an Internet forum.

"Religious states" Don't make me laugh.
"Combine. Generalize. Regurgitate." Sounds like a slogan, I like it.

Well said.

Who said you get to watch? And trust me, they can be used effectively on men, too.


"Combine. Generalize. Regurgitate." Sounds like a slogan, I like it.

Well said.

i did and i have be told that before

a ban on stores selling sex toys within 1,000 feet of a church, residence, park...

Tipical bigotry :rolleyes: And the actual enforcement of such a stupid ban on a lingerie store is even more saddening...

Tipical bigotry :rolleyes: And the actual enforcement of such a stupid ban on a lingerie store is even more saddening...

You can always order them online...

My comment was about the fanatic attitude...fortunately people can have clothing stores wherever they want where I live...

Seems typical of the America that I've heard of that is full of hard core Christians who attempt to ban things that seem offensive. I would be suprised if you had said it was from the New York or L.A. and it had been closed down (people seem a bit more liberal there) but in the more central religious states a store like that had no chance of surviving.

Luckily, the America that you have heard of is somewhat different from the America that actually exists. The "more central religious states" certainly contain lingerie stores - heck, I don't think I've ever seen a mall without a Victoria's Secret. They also contain numerous porn shops, sex toy stores, strip clubs, and so forth, much like New York and LA (although, admittedly, I've never seen another place in the world with quite as many porn shops as Manhattan). As a Midwesterner, I have to say that I am getting rather sick of people who've never visited my area telling me all about how everyone who lives here is an illiterate, repressed fundamentalist pig-farmer or some such nonsense.

Luckily, the America that you have heard of is somewhat different from the America that actually exists. The "more central religious states" certainly contain lingerie stores - heck, I don't think I've ever seen a mall without a Victoria's Secret. They also contain numerous porn shops, sex toy stores, strip clubs, and so forth, much like New York and LA (although, admittedly, I've never seen another place in the world with quite as many porn shops as Manhattan). As a Midwesterner, I have to say that I am getting rather sick of people who've never visited my area telling me all about how everyone who lives here is an illiterate, repressed fundamentalist pig-farmer or some such nonsense.

Let's not forget the 40 billion dollar a year porn industry in the US - that's the US market alone.

Some of our greatest porn stars came from the Midwest.

IIRC, Celeste was from the Midwest. And after she got rich, she returned there for an anonymous life.

As a Midwesterner, I have to say that I am getting rather sick of people who've never visited my area telling me all about how everyone who lives here is an illiterate, repressed fundamentalist pig-farmer or some such nonsense.

Welcome to a society where the loudest and most obnoxious label us all. As a Northeasterner, I have to say that I am getting rather sick of people who've never visited my area telling me all about how everyone who lives here is a godless, snobbish liberal elitist or some such nonsense. Get used to it.

Luckily, the America that you have heard of is somewhat different from the America that actually exists. The "more central religious states" certainly contain lingerie stores - heck, I don't think I've ever seen a mall without a Victoria's Secret. They also contain numerous porn shops, sex toy stores, strip clubs, and so forth, much like New York and LA (although, admittedly, I've never seen another place in the world with quite as many porn shops as Manhattan). As a Midwesterner, I have to say that I am getting rather sick of people who've never visited my area telling me all about how everyone who lives here is an illiterate, repressed fundamentalist pig-farmer or some such nonsense.

So, you're from like, Illinois or something then? Cuz, he did say more central states, I don't think Wisconsin, or Michigan, or Ohio (though Ohio sucks anyways) was included, although you're talking about the midwest...

You can always order them online...

Yes, but isn't it more fun to say, "I think I'll just wear it home"?

Welcome to a society where the loudest and most obnoxious label us all. As a Northeasterner, I have to say that I am getting rather sick of people who've never visited my area telling me all about how everyone who lives here is a godless, snobbish liberal elitist or some such nonsense. Get used to it.

I lived in Massachusetts for a couple of years, so I'm quite familiar with the "snobbish liberal elitist" label as well, and I agree that it's just as silly. I'm "used to" dumb labels, but that doesn't mean I have to like them or fail to correct people when they use them. :)

So, you're from like, Illinois or something then? Cuz, he did say more central states, I don't think Wisconsin, or Michigan, or Ohio (though Ohio sucks anyways) was included, although you're talking about the midwest...

*is slightly puzzled*

I'm from Missouri, which is about as central as one can get, and which is unquestionably considered to be part of the Midwest.

Luckily, the America that you have heard of is somewhat different from the America that actually exists. The "more central religious states" certainly contain lingerie stores - heck, I don't think I've ever seen a mall without a Victoria's Secret. They also contain numerous porn shops, sex toy stores, strip clubs, and so forth, much like New York and LA (although, admittedly, I've never seen another place in the world with quite as many porn shops as Manhattan). As a Midwesterner, I have to say that I am getting rather sick of people who've never visited my area telling me all about how everyone who lives here is an illiterate, repressed fundamentalist pig-farmer or some such nonsense.

I've never met a fundamentalist pig farmer. I've known many a pig farmer, and more fundies than I'd ever wish on anyone, but no one who was both. Farmers tend to be fairly liberal, fundies tend to not like getting their precious hands dirty.

*is slightly puzzled*

I'm from Missouri, which is about as central as one can get, and which is unquestionably considered to be part of the Midwest.

According to good old Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_centers_of_the_United_States), "the geographical center of the entire U.S. is west of Castle Rock in Butte County, South Dakota, while that of the lower 48 is near Lebanon in Smith County, Kansas." The mean center of US population is in Phelps County, Missouri, according to the last census. According to the first census (1790), it was in Kent County, Maryland.

I've never met a fundamentalist pig farmer. I've known many a pig farmer, and more fundies than I'd ever wish on anyone, but no one who was both. Farmers tend to be fairly liberal, fundies tend to not like getting their precious hands dirty.

And didn't the Plains States, with all their farmers, give us the Progressive movement 100 years ago? You know, the great-grandfathers and grandfathers of all the people voting Republican in Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, etc. Voting for the CEOs of the agriconglomerates that gobbled up the family farm. Meh.

Who said you get to watch? And trust me, they can be used effectively on men, too.

Don't frighten him. Or anyone else, for that matter. Although knowing this forum, someone read that and said, "Damn right."

According to good old Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_centers_of_the_United_States), "the geographical center of the entire U.S. is west of Castle Rock in Butte County, South Dakota, while that of the lower 48 is near Lebanon in Smith County, Kansas." The mean center of US population is in Phelps County, Missouri, according to the last census. According to the first census (1790), it was in Kent County, Maryland.

Yup. And my particular hometown is often referred to as the "Heart of America," as it is located between the geographical and population centers of the contiguous 48 states. We're pretty darn central. :)

hi!

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i have something to add about this "rumors about this and that country" thing

at first, i am from Hungary, and the all we can hear/read here about USA is that, there are only stupid, fat and rude people living and they love war. so i never shared this, but thats all the info we can get here

second, in our case, that is the same. a friend of mine worked in UK, and one day he was questioned:
- Can you see the Moon from there /from Hungary/?
- Do you still go to work by horses?

etc.

so the world thinks about us that, we are still the lil people from the east, who knows only their lil bows, and never heard about cars, mobile phones, microvawe /that is another story.../, or any modern thing

and sorry for my poor english

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second, in our case, that is the same. a friend of mine worked in UK, and one day he was questioned:
- Can you see the Moon from there /from Hungary/?
- Do you still go to work by horses?



I'm sure it was in jest. I doubt anyone actually thought that

I hope that you are right.

*is slightly puzzled*

I'm from Missouri, which is about as central as one can get, and which is unquestionably considered to be part of the Midwest.

Not quite unquestioned. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/US_map-Midwest.PNG)

Not quite unquestioned. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/US_map-Midwest.PNG)

Well, it's not questioned by anyone in Missouri. :p Nor by anyone else I've ever met, for that matter.

(Besides, what else would we be? We're obviously not a Plains state, given the preponderance of hills rather than plains, and except for the southernmost parts of the state, we're neither geographically nor culturally Southern.)

Well, it's not questioned by anyone in Missouri. :p Nor by anyone else I've ever met, for that matter.

(Besides, what else would we be? We're obviously not a Plains state, given the preponderance of hills rather than plains, and except for the southernmost parts of the state, we're neither geographically nor culturally Southern.)

Shockingly enough, you'd be *fanfare* CENTRAL! (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/US_map-Central.PNG)

Shockingly enough, you'd be *fanfare* CENTRAL! (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/US_map-Central.PNG)

Fair enough, but "central" is used solely (in my experience, at least) as a geographical designation, and basically means "not on/near the East or West Coast." "Midwest," "New England," "South," and so forth describe regions which are similar geographically, topographically, and culturally. "Central" doesn't do that.

This is a rather odd tangent from the banning of lingerie stores, isn't it? :)

This is a rather odd tangent from the banning of lingerie stores, isn't it? :)

Yeah, usually our conversations get more perverted, not less perverted.

Fair enough, but "central"...basically means "not on/near the East or West Coast."

Which is, like, entirely true?

"Midwest," "New England," "South," and so forth describe regions which are similar geographically
Like, being away from coasts?

and culturally.

Well, that's up to you guys. You'd really compare the culture of Augusta and New York? Cuz they're both New England.


This is a rather odd tangent from the banning of lingerie stores, isn't it? :)

Seen worse. *nod*

Yeah, usually our conversations get more perverted, not less perverted.

Well, at least we've perverted the thread . . .

hi!

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i have something to add about this "rumors about this and that country" thing

at first, i am from Hungary, and the all we can hear/read here about USA is that, there are only stupid, fat and rude people living and they love war. so i never shared this, but thats all the info we can get here

second, in our case, that is the same. a friend of mine worked in UK, and one day he was questioned:
- Can you see the Moon from there /from Hungary/?
- Do you still go to work by horses?

etc.

so the world thinks about us that, we are still the lil people from the east, who knows only their lil bows, and never heard about cars, mobile phones, microvawe /that is another story.../, or any modern thing

and sorry for my poor english

/OFF

There are a lot of stupid, fat, rude people here who love war, but luckily, they aren't the real majority. And I'm sure there must be one or two microwaves in all of Magyarország.

I think Western Europeans still get nervous when they see the Magyars cleaning their bows and exercising their horses, however.

Welcome to NS General.

Well, at least we've perverted the thread . . .

The thread went from the banning of lingerie stores in an Indianapolis suburb to prudish small-town behavior to the use of strap-ons to the geographic location of the center of the U.S. to what region Missouri fits in among U.S. states. It should be no time at all before we're talking about violating garden gnomes again like we always do.

The thread went from the banning of lingerie stores in an Indianapolis suburb to prudish small-town behavior to the use of strap-ons to the geographic location of the center of the U.S. to what region Missouri fits in among U.S. states. It should be no time at all before we're talking about violating garden gnomes again like we always do.

What would be the best region of the U.S. to violate a garden gnome in?

What would be the best region of the U.S. to violate a garden gnome in?

Alaska?

Alaska?

We all know Idaho's way better for that. The garden gnomes in Alaska are frozen this time of year, and even if you can pull it off, either your member will become frozen into the gnome or the gnome will crack, and that could possibly cause even more pain.

OK, I change my answer. New Mexico.

Like, being away from coasts?

That's one aspect of geography and topography, yes. However, Colorado, Vermont, New Mexico, and Tennessee are all away from coasts, and you're not terribly likely to confuse them with each other. ;)


Well, that's up to you guys. You'd really compare the culture of Augusta and New York? Cuz they're both New England.

Actually, according to my friends from New York, no one there considers it to be in New England per se, contrary to what the name would suggest. Go figure. *shrug* Besides, there's a significant difference between "culturally similar" and "culturally identical." Kansas and Illinois have many major cultural differences, but they're a great deal more alike than Kansas and Massachusetts. (Besides, it's not as if upstate New York is terribly un-New-Englandy, and NYC itself kind of belongs in its own little special universe, anyway. :p )

Alaska?

Easier to be at least 1000 feet from a church or schoolyard, there *nods*

We all know Idaho's way better for that. The garden gnomes in Alaska are frozen this time of year, and even if you can pull it off, either your member will become frozen into the gnome or the gnome will crack, and that could possibly cause even more pain.

OK, I change my answer. New Mexico.

Too sandy. Good point about the temperature problem in Alaska, but I only suggested it because of the ... ahem ... unseemly ... Gnome? Alaska?

We all know Idaho's way better for that. The garden gnomes in Alaska are frozen this time of year, and even if you can pull it off, either your member will become frozen into the gnome or the gnome will crack, and that could possibly cause even more pain.

OK, I change my answer. New Mexico.

Pssh. Their garden gnomes are probably all made of terra cotta and adorned with chili peppers, like everything else in New Mexico. You're bound to get burnt one way or another.

Too sandy. Good point about the temperature problem in Alaska, but I only suggested it because of the ... ahem ... unseemly ... Gnome? Alaska?

OK, good point. And maybe there's too much sand in New Mexico. In that case...hmmm...Idaho's no good...ah hell, Oklahoma.

OK, good point. And maybe there's too much sand in New Mexico. In that case...hmmm...Idaho's no good...ah hell, Oklahoma.

No, Smunkee lives in Oklahoma and how embarrassing would that be, to be violating a gnome and have Smunkee come out and catch you?

And Hell is in Northern Minnesota, I think.

Not quite unquestioned. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/US_map-Midwest.PNG)

Ohio is no more mid-west than Florida. For most people the mid-west refers to the former Northwest Territories. Ohio was a part of that, but frankly they're too far east, also that map is completely out of right field on the West Virginia thing.

No, Smunkee lives in Oklahoma and how embarrassing would that be, to be violating a gnome and have Smunkee come out and catch you?

And Hell is in Northern Minnesota, I think.

Michigan. Hell, Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%2C_Michigan)

Michigan. Hell, Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%2C_Michigan)

Michigan, Minnesota ... rats.

Ohio is no more mid-west than Florida. For most people the mid-west refers to the former Northwest Territories. Ohio was a part of that, but frankly they're too far east, also that map is completely out of right field on the West Virginia thing.

Regional definitions vary from source to source. The states shown in dark red are usually included, while all or portions of the striped states may or may not be considered part of the Midwestern United States. Kentucky and West Virginia are rarely considered Midwestern.

Ohio (as much as it sucks) is totally Midwest. Back then, Everything west of the Mississippi was the Far West. Ohio is totally Midwest.

Michigan. Hell, Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%2C_Michigan)

Isn't Michigan in northern Minnesota?

Isn't Michigan in northern Minnesota?

Damn, have we been annexed again? First Canada, now this.

Damn, have we been annexed again? First Canada, now this.

Just that little piece, on the wrong side of the lake.

Just that little piece, on the wrong side of the lake.

Ah, the UP. Whatever then.


Wait, did they take Mackinac?

Ah, the UP. Whatever then.


Wait, did they take Mackinac?

Duh. Else, why bother?

Duh. Else, why bother?

Those bastards! TO ARMS!