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So, I'm in a symphonic band and for this year's Christmas concert we're playing Christian, Jewish, and what I thought was Islamic music.

It turns out, after a bit of reading, that Kwanzaa is NOT in fact an Islamic holiday as I had assumed (call me a stupid American, but at least I looked it up) and having read the background, I'm not sure how I feel about this holiday as described.

Your thoughts?

Kwanazaa? what is that.

HOw you feel about the holiday? What's that supposed to mean


Essentially, it's the retarded little cousin, much like Dysgraphia.

Well, at least you cured you ignorance.

Though I would like to meet the person who told you it was a Muslim holiday.

Kwanazaa? what is that.

Educate yourself. (http://www.google.com)

Well, at least you cured you ignorance.

Though I would like to meet the person who told you it was a Muslim holiday.

He probably guessed. "What are the only three cultures in the world? Christians, Jews, and Muslims.Chistmas is Christian, Hanukkah is Jewish, so Kwanzaa must be Islamic."

I guessed correctly. It is something American. African-American specifically, but still American.

He probably guessed. "What are the only three cultures in the world? Christians, Jews, and Muslims.Chistmas is Christian, Hanukkah is Jewish, so Kwanzaa must be Islamic."

I'll admit that I DID guess, and being an American I made a stab at the other major religion that's prominent in our society. It's the best I can do!

I guessed correctly. It is something American. African-American specifically, but still American.

Created in 1966 by the leader of the United Slaves organization.

Though, unhappily, not while in prison as I was taught. :(

I'll admit that I DID guess, and being an American I made a stab at the other major religion that's prominent in our society. It's the best I can do!

Ja, ja, sure. But what's up with the "and having read the background, I'm not sure how I feel about this holiday as described"?

Educate yourself. (http://www.google.com)

oh. it's ancestry nonsense.

Ja, ja, sure. But what's up with the "and having read the background, I'm not sure how I feel about this holiday as described"?

Well, it doesn't seem like a legitimate holiday in the sense of what these other holidays are about. I'm not saying there shouldn't be an African holiday, by all means I'd love to play something with those roots.

However, a holiday someone made up off the top of his head to annoy white people just doesn't seem like it would have a place with religious music, because that's largely what we're playing. It'd be like playing, I dunno, Jingle Bells and then a protest song. If that's what our intent was then I'd have no qualms, but it's not specifically a religion is my understanding.

That's not to say that only religions should be allowed to celebrate either! I'm just saying, it seems out of place at this current concert. Maybe it would be better in a concert honoring the protests of the 60's.

Well, it doesn't seem like a legitimate holiday in the sense of what these other holidays are about. I'm not saying there shouldn't be an African holiday, by all means I'd love to play something with those roots.

What, cuz it's not about consumerism? YOu think Jesus was born on Dec. 25? Hanukkah is about some kind of lamp. Kwanzaa, as is, celbrates things like unity, determination, and family.

Personally I don't think you should have any problem with it - if it's the ideaology that bothers you, Kwanzaa would seem to uphold many Christian values (togetherness, unity, kindness etc). If it's the arbitrary holiday thing, well, it had to come somewhere right? Why not Christmas time?

With all this said, my main reaction is - what the hell, jsut play the music and have a ball :D

Are you upset cause its for black people???
look a Holiday like the fecking calender is an arbitrary designation.
If you dont like fine, dont celebrate--but please dont get all stupid and demand others not have the right to celebrate it...that is the problem nowdays everyone ants to impose restrictions on people they disagree with.

DOnt play the gig, make your statement, but make sure everyone knows you support anyone else who wants to celebrate Kwanzaa---you just dont wnat to.

Or, be open minded and close your trap.

What, cuz it's not about consumerism? YOu think Jesus was born on Dec. 25? Hanukkah is about some kind of lamp. Kwanzaa, as is, celbrates things like unity, determination, and family.

I'm just discussing is all. My family celebrates Christmas by going through Heifer International to donate animals to starving families, which is about as far as from consumerism you can get.

That's not ALL Hanukkah is about, but sure that's an aspect of it.

From the description I read, admittedly my only research thus far (though I only remembered to look it up today) was on Wikipedia, which again makes me a moron, go ahead and say it. But from what I read, it was originally an alternative to Christmas, again, to be defiant of the dominant culture, as it reads.

That's not very much about unity, it wasn't about unity for quite some time as it became more popular. Then the man who made it up changed it some.

However, if that's the spirit of Kwanzaa, to honor family and ancestry, to celebrate unity and love, then it's cool by me. I was just asking around to find out more. :D

Are you upset cause its for black people???
look a Holiday like the fecking calender is an arbitrary designation.
If you dont like fine, dont celebrate--but please dont get all stupid and demand others not have the right to celebrate it...that is the problem nowdays everyone ants to impose restrictions on people they disagree with.

DOnt play the gig, make your statement, but make sure everyone knows you support anyone else who wants to celebrate Kwanzaa---you just dont wnat to.

Or, be open minded and close your trap.

You're kind of overreacting. I said I wasn't sure how I felt about it, mostly because I don't totally understand it. I'm trying to broaden my understanding about it, which is why I made the post.

I'm pretty open minded, if you've seen many of my posts. I try to be, anyway, I admit that I suffer from being a middle-class white college student in America.

I also didn't say I didn't want to celebrate with everyone, I was just trying to determine the spirit of the holiday because after I read about it it didn't seem appropriate for a concert of largely religious music. However, as other people have pointed out, it seems to be celebrating the same themes: love, unity, etc. Which is fine.

I enjoy playing the song, I'm just trying to understand the holiday. It's all good!

Not over reacting Bookie just moving ahead to cut of the potential for overreaction on your part. I know you didnt say anyhting about protesting or anything like that....but that kind of garbage always starts small then the next thing you know its a Seasonal Show like the crappy episode of South Park and everyone is dressed in black doig weird interprative dance to Nihilist German Techno....

I support you not agreeing with the Holiday of Kwanzaa, I just support agreeing with Kwanzaa too.

I am kooky that way.

Asfar as learning about it goes...bah good luck, there isnt really culture around it, so beyond the Holiday there isnt much to know.

Are you upset cause its for black people???
look a Holiday like the fecking calender is an arbitrary designation.
If you dont like fine, dont celebrate--but please dont get all stupid and demand others not have the right to celebrate it...that is the problem nowdays everyone ants to impose restrictions on people they disagree with.

DOnt play the gig, make your statement, but make sure everyone knows you support anyone else who wants to celebrate Kwanzaa---you just dont wnat to.

Or, be open minded and close your trap.

Haven't you been warned already for flaming? How did you survive over 1000 posts?

...and everyone is dressed in black doig weird interprative dance to Nihilist German Techno....

What?

Not over reacting Bookie just moving ahead to cut of the potential for overreaction on your part. I know you didnt say anyhting about protesting or anything like that....but that kind of garbage always starts small then the next thing you know its a Seasonal Show like the crappy episode of South Park and everyone is dressed in black doig weird interprative dance to Nihilist German Techno....

I support you not agreeing with the Holiday of Kwanzaa, I just support agreeing with Kwanzaa too.

I am kooky that way.

Asfar as learning about it goes...bah good luck, there isnt really culture around it, so beyond the Holiday there isnt much to know.

Well, I learned what I wanted to. I was just curious about the holiday.

That would suck though. I think I'd have to refuse to take part in interpretive dance to German techno. I hate Christmas music, but it's better than making my ears bleed on my tux.

Kwanzaa is asinine becomes it stems from the same "African Roots"-jackassery that has lead to a lot of kids with names like "Shit'ole" and "Limon'jelo", among other things.

First some other slackjaw poster(only slightless dull in the skull then you) who thinks they have right to warn me for flaming isnt a warning for flaming.
A Mod or Admin must make that call, and since I do not troll or bait I am not worried about a foul ruling. I am not flaiming, I conduct myself beter then most here.

You are not a Mod.

I did not flame.

Mind your own business.

So, I'm in a symphonic band and for this year's Christmas concert we're playing Christian, Jewish, and what I thought was Islamic music.

It turns out, after a bit of reading, that Kwanzaa is NOT in fact an Islamic holiday as I had assumed (call me a stupid American, but at least I looked it up) and having read the background, I'm not sure how I feel about this holiday as described.

Your thoughts?

Stupid american :rolleyes:

It is a holiday made up to celebrate being african, or something.

You are not a Mod.

I did not flame.

Mind your own business.


Funny,

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12002918&postcount=29

Muslims had their Ramadan holiday a few weeks ago already.
Hindus and Sikhs celebrated Diwali already as well.
Christians will be celebrating Christmas.
African-Americans will be celebrating Kwanzaa.
Jews will be celebrating Hanukkah.
Commonwealthers will be "celebrating" Boxing Day.
East Asians will be celebrating the Lunar New Year in about 2 months.
Users of the Gregorian calendar will celebrate the New Year in about a month.
And then Seinfeldians will be celebrating Festivus.

I'm sure the list can be expanded, but thats all I know for now. :)

Muslims had their Ramadan holiday a few weeks ago already.
Christians will be celebrating Christmas.
African-Americans will be celebrating Kwanzaa.
Jews will be celebrating Hanukkah.
Commonwealthers will be "celebrating" Boxing Day.
East Asians will be celebrating the Lunar New Year in about 2 months.
Users of the Gregorian calendar will celebrate the New Year in about a month.
And then Seinfeldians will be celebrating Festivus.

I'm sure the list can be expanded, but thats all I know for now. :)

I'm for playing all of these at one concert, as long as there's associated music. That'd be a helluva bash!

Muslims had their Ramadan holiday a few weeks ago already.
Hindus and Sikhs celebrated Diwali already as well.
Christians will be celebrating Christmas.
African-Americans will be celebrating Kwanzaa.
Jews will be celebrating Hanukkah.
Commonwealthers will be "celebrating" Boxing Day.
East Asians will be celebrating the Lunar New Year in about 2 months.
Users of the Gregorian calendar will celebrate the New Year in about a month.
And then Seinfeldians will be celebrating Festivus.

I'm sure the list can be expanded, but thats all I know for now. :)

What is boxing day?

Muslims had their Ramadan holiday a few weeks ago already.
Hindus and Sikhs celebrated Diwali already as well.
Christians will be celebrating Christmas.
African-Americans will be celebrating Kwanzaa.
Jews will be celebrating Hanukkah.
Commonwealthers will be "celebrating" Boxing Day.
East Asians will be celebrating the Lunar New Year in about 2 months.
Users of the Gregorian calendar will celebrate the New Year in about a month.
And then Seinfeldians will be celebrating Festivus.

I'm sure the list can be expanded, but thats all I know for now. :)

Winter-een-mas. Duh.

What is boxing day?

A day where we celebrate the art of boxing by punching each others lights out.

What?

That SouthPark episode where they had to take eveything to do with Christmas out of the pagent then everything Jewish out, and they ended up doing an all black interpretive dance to German Techno.
It was funny.

You are not a Mod.
*I* am.
I did not flame.
You did earlier, and I warned you for it.
Mind your own business.
Oddly enough, it is their business to self-police the forums, and to bring us in when those polite efforts are unsuccessful.

First some other slackjaw poster(only slightless dull in the skull then you) who thinks they have right to warn me for flaming isnt a warning for flaming.
And here you go again. Looks like we have to make it an Official Warning, flaming, since you seem to suffer from inability to learn. We'll go with forumbans if you continue. Clear enough for you, Skibereen?

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Bolded Red is very intimidating.
Do as you wish, the Moderator bias on this forum is no secret.
You dont ban flamers you protect your cliques.
You are also not qualified to suggest a learning difficiency in anyone lest it be from intropective analysis and then personal comparison, is that clear enough for you?

Bolded Red is very intimidating.
Do as you wish, the Moderator bias on this forum is no secret.
You dont ban flamers you protect your cliques.

No, seriously. How did you last over a thousand posts?

No, seriously. How did you last over a thousand posts?

S/he's a Russian spy. :eek:

No, seriously. How did you last over a thousand posts?

I'm seriously wondering that myself.

Bolded Red is very intimidating.
Do as you wish, the Moderator bias on this forum is no secret.
You dont ban flamers you protect your cliques.
You are also not qualified to suggest a learning difficiency in anyone lest it be from intropective analysis and then personal comparison, is that clear enough for you?

You must belong to the clique that calls other players slackjaw, dumbass fecktards, then. Take three days to get over yourself.

What is boxing day?
The day after Christmas.

It's called Boxing Day because you're supposed to box up all the stuff you don't need anymore (because you got new stuff at Christmas) and leave it outside for the poor to collect it.

i think kwanzaa is a cool holiday.

sure its made up but every holiday was made up at one time or other now wasnt it? christmas was pasted over the top of saturnalia ( or something) its stolen rather than made up. no one cares about that when they open their presents on christmas morning do they?

anyway

the days between christmas and new years are wasted anyway. may as well spend them in constructive family time that concentrates on character development.

if you overlook the guy who started it and all the stupid made up words, it would make a great family holiday tradition that kids would remember all their lives. what more can you ask from a holiday?

Kwanzaa, as is, celbrates things like unity, determination, and family.
Kwanzaa celebrates communism. Its objective is to associate leftist ideals with racial identity.

Kwanzaa celebrates communism. Its objective is to associate leftist ideals with racial identity.

You're just over analyzing things. :)

Created in 1966 by the leader of the United Slaves Organization.

Though, unhappily, not while in prison as I was taught. :(

Wow! I didn't realize it was a USO http://www.uso.org/ production. Damn how do those people have time setting up concerts for our troops and make up a holiday?! These people have way to much time on there hands. Maybe a few more wars will keep them occupied.

So, I'm in a symphonic band and for this year's Christmas concert we're playing Christian, Jewish, and what I thought was Islamic music.

It turns out, after a bit of reading, that Kwanzaa is NOT in fact an Islamic holiday as I had assumed (call me a stupid American, but at least I looked it up) and having read the background, I'm not sure how I feel about this holiday as described.

Your thoughts?

you learned by studying what you didnt understand instead of by being pwnd repeatedly on forums.

thats the way its supposed to be!

Kwanzaa -- Racist Holiday from Hell (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16474) says it all.

Christians have christmas, the muslims have the the Eid Al-Adha(Is this the one celebrated around nov-dec?) the jewish have hannukah so the blacks said
"Hey, since all of them have a holiday, we should have one too!" and Kwanzza was celebrated even though no one in africa knows about it

I was hoping to find a picture of Kwanzaa-Bot from Futurama, but we'll just have to hope he drops a book on us titled "What the HELL is Kwanzaa?" for our benefit.

What is boxing day?

It coincides with St. Stephen's Day. That's all I know(well, I read the explaination too, but shut up :()