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Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the idea that women should be above their husbands, should rule, even contradictory to the word of God. God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him. The proper action to take, in response to the rise of STDs, would be to embrace God's authority and stop having promiscuous or homosexual sex. However, at the hands of the Feminist movement, we have instead tried to find a way out of it. Birth control is alike to the getaway car a bank robber might employ to escape the consequences of robbing a bank, and abortion is like the lockpicks that allow that criminal to escape from jail. If you are a woman considering having an abortion, consider that God gave you that child, as a punishment for your promiscuity and sexual carelessness. Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.

I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.

Yes and "capital-g-God" made idiots to whom the righteous and inspired can feel much superiority.

God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him.

Then God is a disgusting and vile entity whose hands are soaked in blood, and the proper course of action is to continue defying Him.

children are a punishment?

what the hell did YOUR parents do?

musta been pretty bad

Ah, nothing like a bit of religious bigotry, eh?

Remember kids, you are punishment for your parents godless hedonism!


Question, if all those things are abhorrent to god, why does he allow them?

Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the Blah, Blah,Blah,Blah.

Oh f*&k off dude. Next thing you will be telling us is what woman wear are the reason they get raped. :rolleyes:

Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?And who might you be to decide for him?

Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the idea that women should be above their husbands, should rule, even contradictory to the word of God. God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him. The proper action to take, in response to the rise of STDs, would be to embrace God's authority and stop having promiscuous or homosexual sex. However, at the hands of the Feminist movement, we have instead tried to find a way out of it. Birth control is alike to the getaway car a bank robber might employ to escape the consequences of robbing a bank, and abortion is like the lockpicks that allow that criminal to escape from jail. If you are a woman considering having an abortion, consider that God gave you that child, as a punishment for your promiscuity and sexual carelessness. Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.

I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.
Cute.

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Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the idea that women should be above their husbands, should rule, even contradictory to the word of God. God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him. The proper action to take, in response to the rise of STDs, would be to embrace God's authority and stop having promiscuous or homosexual sex. However, at the hands of the Feminist movement, we have instead tried to find a way out of it. Birth control is alike to the getaway car a bank robber might employ to escape the consequences of robbing a bank, and abortion is like the lockpicks that allow that criminal to escape from jail. If you are a woman considering having an abortion, consider that God gave you that child, as a punishment for your promiscuity and sexual carelessness. Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.

I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.

so, you arent just a troll, then? hmm...

let me just start off by saying this: if you honestly, truly believe that contraceptives are ideas created by feminism and are punishable by eternal damnation, please go back to your bible study group this next sunday and talk to your church leader before saying such things.


let me also, AGAIN, say that you are an UTTER EMBARRASEMENT to any person of faith because of the way you speak. people choose to have homosexual sex. people choose to have sex with contraceptives. Equivolating these as offences punishable by damnation, AGAIN, is wrong.

by the way, if a married couple decides to have sex INSIDE OF WEDLOCK (im making that perfectly clear to you) and decide to use contraceptives to avoid giving birth to a child, is this wrong?

and one final thing - give me an annotation of your reasoning as to why you believe so strongly against abortion so i can properly attack your flawed arguments.

Did MeansToAnEnd get deated?

Question, if all those things are abhorrent to god, why does he allow them?
For shits and giggles?

Abortion, birth control, and attempts to cure STDs are all direct results of feminism, you say?

If so, all I have to say is: Rock on, feminism! :p

Did MeansToAnEnd get deated?

But MTAE at least puts some effort into disguising..

does redemption army have a mind of it's own or is it the interweb incarnation of the fundamentalist evangelical god after a lobotomy?

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.


abortion and birth control are ancient practices. they werent invented by the godless liberals in 1973.

But MTAE at least puts some effort into disguising..

yeah... this is outright sillyness

Bet our new troll here, cute as he is, is a DOS person the mods just haven't gotten to yet. His nation is a day old.

I have a theory that the far-right religious fundies secretly have a contest to see who can say the most ridiculous things about women, gays, AIDS, birth control, and what-not and still have people back them up. This is further cadence of my theory. And I have this to say: I don't care which pastor's boots you're licking; they have a long way to catch up to Phelps. He's ahead by a country mile.

For shits and giggles?


:D

We've all seen this "I'm so religious, you're all going to hell if you don't think exactly like me" bullshit a million times. It's time these people just admitted to themselves that the reason they hate homosexuals so much is that they are homosexuals themselves. They don't like hetero sex, so they don't think anyone else should either, and they're too frightened to indulge in homosexuality that they build up a jealous hatred for those who do.

Yawn. Give us something interesting to talk about.

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.


Mm. Don't you, as a protestant, believe that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you believe that Jesus died for your sins?

Oh f*&k off dude. Next thing you will be telling us is what woman wear are the reason they get raped. :rolleyes:

Don't give him ideas!

I have a theory that the far-right religious fundies secretly have a contest to see who can say the most ridiculous things about women, gays, AIDS, birth control, and what-not and still have people back them up. This is further cadence of my theory. And I have this to say: I don't care which pastor's boots you're licking; they have a long way to catch up to Phelps. He's ahead by a country mile.

who told you? :eek:

Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the idea that women should be above their husbands, should rule, even contradictory to the word of God. God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him. The proper action to take, in response to the rise of STDs, would be to embrace God's authority and stop having promiscuous or homosexual sex. However, at the hands of the Feminist movement, we have instead tried to find a way out of it. Birth control is alike to the getaway car a bank robber might employ to escape the consequences of robbing a bank, and abortion is like the lockpicks that allow that criminal to escape from jail. If you are a woman considering having an abortion, consider that God gave you that child, as a punishment for your promiscuity and sexual carelessness. Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.

I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.

You vile, sexist dogmatic fanatic! W.I.T.C.H. will be coming after you! :sniper:

Here, Redemption Army, I found someone you might like: http://www.timecube.com/

Cute.

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Pienso en los gatitos. No alimento el troll.

Mm. Don't you, as a protestant, believe that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you believe that Jesus died for your sins?

ugh, protestants.

Hunger is a consequence of live, eating an escape from the consequence, so starve already. Blah.

blah blah blah *puke*

Then God is a disgusting and vile entity whose hands are soaked in blood, and the proper course of action is to continue defying Him.

Uh-oh! Looks like somebody's going to Hell. :)

so once again TRA drops a stupid thread and lacks the cajones to back up his stupidity...

who told you? :eek:

I can't say...suffice it to say, he told me he was Deep Throat's Cousin. At least that's what his business card said.

You vile, sexist dogmatic fanatic! W.I.T.C.H. will be coming after you! :sniper:W.I.T.C.H.? You mean from that cartoon ?!

You vile, sexist dogmatic fanatic! W.I.T.C.H. will be coming after you! :sniper:

W.I.T.C.H.? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.I.T.C.H._%28TV_series%29)

Foi.

so once again TRA drops a stupid thread and lacks the cajones to back up his stupidity...
Or, more likely, sits back and laughs at the comments.

No god that I could ever have any respect for would ever, EVER make a woman pregnant as the punishment for her actions. To do so would load the loathing of the woman onto that child, and would make it for the child to suffer.

Uh-oh! Looks like somebody's going to Hell. :)

And it looks like someone's going to Detroit when he dies. A Twinkie to whoever can give me the reference.

Yes, I take it the guy doesn't get punished...

W.I.T.C.H.? You mean from that cartoon ?!

Womyn's International Terrorist Conspriacy from Hell.

Troll alert! Troll alert!

Everyone, please just ignore this attention-seeking halfwit.
As an example to the rest of you, I shall now switch off the computer.

Uh-oh! Looks like somebody's going to Hell. :)

I tremble with fright. ;)

Yes, I take it the guy doesn't get punished...

Well, of course not. All sex crimes except homosexuality are the woman's fault. It says so in the Bible, right here in Leviticus, chapter 47, verses 102-109. What? They're not in your Bible? That's a wicked sinful Bible you have there. I reckon you should burn it and learn the holy truth from THIS Bible. [ /passes out ]

so, you arent just a troll, then? hmm...

let me just start off by saying this: if you honestly, truly believe that contraceptives are ideas created by feminism and are punishable by eternal damnation, please go back to your bible study group this next sunday and talk to your church leader before saying such things.


let me also, AGAIN, say that you are an UTTER EMBARRASEMENT to any person of faith because of the way you speak. people choose to have homosexual sex. people choose to have sex with contraceptives. Equivolating these as offences punishable by damnation, AGAIN, is wrong.
People choose to lie, steal, commit murder, and varous other things. I never said that because they didn't choose them, just that they are wrong. The existence of STDs, a thing that was barely a problem prior to this age of promiscuity and hedonism, and now several of them are lethal, should be ample evidence for the displeasure of God regarding the acts that lead people to contracting them.

by the way, if a married couple decides to have sex INSIDE OF WEDLOCK (im making that perfectly clear to you) and decide to use contraceptives to avoid giving birth to a child, is this wrong?
Yes. Sex should not be practiced except for the purpose of having children. If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.

Also, condoms are frequently used by adulterous husbands to avoid revealing their affairs with STD infected women to their wives through an infection.

and one final thing - give me an annotation of your reasoning as to why you believe so strongly against abortion so i can properly attack your flawed arguments.

My reasoning is outlined in the first post. If you want to know more, you will have to ask more specific questions.

Troll alert! Troll alert!

Everyone, please just ignore this attention-seeking halfwit.
As an example to the rest of you, I shall now switch off the computer.

maybes hes just a virus that goes away when you turn off your comp and reload whatever OS you have...

ahh, shit, its XP Pro... maybe i should just leave my computer on, then

So, RA, who are you, really. Drunk Commies already got himself into deep shit for the whole "Jesussaves" incident, and you seem to be an identical clone to that. So fess up and save yourself the hassle of being forumbanned.

If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.
I can tell that you have probably never had sex. Otherwise you would not be claiming that abstinence is easy.
Also, condoms are frequently used by adulterous husbands to avoid revealing their affairs with STD infected women to their wives through an infection.
Yes... that'd be it...
My reasoning is outlined in the first post. If you want to know more, you will have to ask more specific questions.
Why do you hate freedom?

And it looks like someone's going to Detroit when he dies. A Twinkie to whoever can give me the reference.

I prefer Pittsburgh.

People choose to lie, steal, commit murder, and varous other things. I never said that because they didn't choose them, just that they are wrong. The existence of STDs, a thing that was barely a problem prior to this age of promiscuity and hedonism, and now several of them are lethal, should be ample evidence for the displeasure of God regarding the acts that lead people to contracting them.
Yes. Sex should not be practiced except for the purpose of having children. If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.Ah. May I point out to you that STDs have always been a problem and that the reason you might perceive them as nonexistent before today could be because people usually don't talk about them and hide them like dirty little secrets?
Also, condoms are frequently used by adulterous husbands to avoid revealing their affairs with STD infected women to their wives through an infection.Would you rather they didn't get used so the husbands pass on STDs to their wives? Or what if someone contracts AIDS through something like... I know, a blood transfusion!...? Were they being punished by God too?
My reasoning is outlined in the first post. If you want to know more, you will have to ask more specific questions."Reason has nothing to do with it."

The existence of STDs, a thing that was barely a problem prior to this age of promiscuity and hedonism, and now several of them are lethal, should be ample evidence for the displeasure of God regarding the acts that lead people to contracting them.

There's so much silliness in all your posts that I'm not sure why I'm bothering to pick out specific points, but I think you should clarify when "this age of promiscuity and hedonism" began, seeing as one of the worst syphilis outbreaks in history (a great deal more than "barely a problem") occurred approximately 500 years ago, which seems like rather a long "age." ;)

Sex should not be practiced except for the purpose of having children. If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.

are you serious?! you HAVE to be kidding.

sex is something that God created himself through the creation of the pubescile areas of men and women AND ESPECIALLY for married men and women to enjoy. To think that God created sex simply for the fruition of children is blasphemy.

Also, condoms are frequently used by adulterous husbands to avoid revealing their affairs with STD infected women to their wives through an infection.

so, because adulterous husbands frequently use condoms to have promiscuous sex, that ultimately makes condoms a creation of Satan and, by using one, thereby qualifies you as a sinner damned to eternal hell.

WOW.

oh, and, by the way, AIDS is a disease that can be passed on through the birth of a child. Let me ask you: If you were a man born with AIDS and married a woman, had sex with her, and bore a child while giving your wife AIDS, are you a sinner?

or are you damned to hell from the get-go because you were born with AIDS?!

Yes. Sex should not be practiced except for the purpose of having children. If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.

I really shouldn't reply to this, but I have a couple of questions to test the consistency of this line. First off, what is your stance on infertile couples having sex? Second off, what about a person who has a medical condition in which she must take birth control or will die? Unless you're telling me that birth control is such a horrible sin that forcing people to die instead of using it is an ideal situation, that's a bit of an inconsistency.

Also, condoms are frequently used by adulterous husbands to avoid revealing their affairs with STD infected women to their wives through an infection.

So a husband should not only betray his wife's trust but infect her with an STD at the same time? Certainly you don't think you can stop people from cheating. It's been going on since the dawn of man. Your statement uses flawed logic. That is all.

Yes. Sex should not be practiced except for the purpose of having children. If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.


Why? What's the consequence there? Safe sex, no pregnancy, no adultery, no laws of God broken. Not that those laws seem to matter to protestants anyway, as you feel you have license to break any of them you want, as long as you say "Jesus Saves".

No god that I could ever have any respect for would ever, EVER make a woman pregnant as the punishment for her actions. To do so would load the loathing of the woman onto that child, and would make it for the child to suffer.

I'm pretty sure that the childbirth is a punishment from god. Something to do with Eve and the tree and the fruit and all that.

People choose to lie, steal, commit murder, and varous other things. I never said that because they didn't choose them, just that they are wrong. The existence of STDs, a thing that was barely a problem prior to this age of promiscuity and hedonism, and now several of them are lethal, should be ample evidence for the displeasure of God regarding the acts that lead people to contracting them.
Right, like the Black Death was a sign from God that people should stop living in cities and avoid trading with one another. Just because disease spreads doesn't mean God wants you to stop doing what spreads it. Otherwise we might as well take the flu as God's sign that all human contact is wrong and live as hermits.

Yes. Sex should not be practiced except for the purpose of having children. If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.
You say that like you've never had sex or been in a loving relationship before. To put it another way, marriages are ruined by the lack of sex because the intimacy of sharing yourself with another person solidifies a close romantic relationship. Removing sex except for procreative purposes would damage marriages and possibly lead to adultery. Read the song of Solomon sometime and ask yourself why the Bible has an entire book devoted to the joys of sex.

Also, condoms are frequently used by adulterous husbands to avoid revealing their affairs with STD infected women to their wives through an infection.
Or just by loving married couples that don't want kids.

Sorry, but so long as it's all sperm-egg-zygote-embryo-fetus-neonate, conception and delivery are no more a miracle than eating a sandwich and takin' a shit some hours later.

Immaculate conception? Miracle. Sperm doing what they're supposed to do? Not so much. God may indeed have programmed the course of human biology, but the process itself? Decidedly un-divine.

Bunk.

All of that, and only one point you forgot, TRA:

There is no higher authority than me.

And I say abortion and birth control are fine, as well as that birth control should be better divulged and pharmacies should be forced to sell them to whoever needs it.

Your god is nothing compared to me.

And I don't recall "sending" any STDs either. They just happened as a result of evolution.

Any doubts that you might ask me about how I created the universe, TRA? Because, seeing as I have an existance, which your angry, barbaric, psychopathic god clearly does not, I am stronger than he is. A God is stronger than I am, and MUCH stronger at that. A God that believes in forgiveness, that wants people to enjoy their lives as long as it harms no one (and foetuses aren't human beings, deal). But if you pray to your god, you might as well pray for me, seeing as I, unlike him, exist. Better yet, you could pray for the actual God, the God of forgiveness, renewal, and evolution.

However, since you seem so willing to believe in this gothic novel somebody indoctrinated you with, you should also believe that I, HEIKOKU, AM THE LORD YOUR GOD! Why? Because I'm more likely to be God than this monster you seem to pray for every night.

The existence of STDs, a thing that was barely a problem prior to this age of promiscuity and hedonism, and now several of them are lethal, should be ample evidence for the displeasure of God regarding the acts that lead people to contracting them.To place it in a rough timeframe, it wasn't a problem the many centuries before Jesus incarnation on Earth. And it has been the two centuries after. What doe sthat tell you?

Yes. Sex should not be practiced except for the purpose of having children.Preposterous. What are you even basing that on? The bible is pretty clear we should make use of the gifts God has provided us with.
And within reasonable bounds, that most certainly includes the capacity to give each other pleasure.

If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.Sex is a rather basic instinct most animals. It is probably harder than you think for most people. A rather detrimental to their quality of life.

Why did God bother making STDs, which can infect innocent people, like the guy's wife? Why doesn't he just smite everyone who cheats in the first place? Far less collateral damage, then.

Why did God bother making STDs, which can infect innocent people, like the guy's wife? Why doesn't he just smite everyone who cheats in the first place? Far less collateral damage, then.

well, a smiting here, a smiting there...

then all of a sudden you have people like TRA leading prayer requests against leaders of foreign nations... and heads of Democratic parties. uh-uh. no way God would let that happen.

Yes. Sex should not be practiced except for the purpose of having children. If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.


***WARNING! BAD JOKE ALERT!***

Not that hard? No WONDER you're abstaining! Sounds like a personal problem to me, Mac.

Why did God bother making STDs, which can infect innocent people, like the guy's wife? Why doesn't he just smite everyone who cheats in the first place? Far less collateral damage, then.

That's quite simple: TRA's god is a monster.

so, you arent just a troll, then? hmm...

let me just start off by saying this: if you honestly, truly believe that contraceptives are ideas created by feminism and are punishable by eternal damnation, please go back to your bible study group this next sunday and talk to your church leader before saying such things.

And he would agree. Many churches would not, but this is primarily the result of the softening of the Church with regard to God's Word. Many have strayed too far from God in order to accomodate the sinful practices of this modern age.

let me also, AGAIN, say that you are an UTTER EMBARRASEMENT to any person of faith because of the way you speak. people choose to have homosexual sex. people choose to have sex with contraceptives. Equivolating these as offences punishable by damnation, AGAIN, is wrong.

Exactly. People choose, and by their choice are condemned. You could, of course, choose not to engage in such activities...

by the way, if a married couple decides to have sex INSIDE OF WEDLOCK (im making that perfectly clear to you) and decide to use contraceptives to avoid giving birth to a child, is this wrong?

Yes, of course. The use of contraceptives violates one of the three goods of marriage, "proles," or essentially, consenting to having children if you decide to have sex. The other two are "fides" and "sacramentum"--the former being fidelity, and the latter permanency in marriage, or no divorce.

And he would agree. Many churches would not, but this is primarily the result of the softening of the Church with regard to God's Word. Many have strayed too far from God in order to accomodate the sinful practices of this modern age.



Exactly. People choose, and by their choice are condemned. You could, of course, choose not to engage in such activities...



Yes, of course. The use of contraceptives violates one of the three goods of marriage, "proles," or essentially, consenting to having children if you decide to have sex. The other two are "fides" and "sacramentum"--the former being fidelity, and the latter permanency in marriage, or no divorce.

Too bad I, God, disagree with all of this.

That's quite simple: TRA's god is a monster.

Only to those who choose to make a lifestyle that is sinful in His sight. He is a wrathful God...a fact which many tend to forget in these modern times of debauchery and sin.

Only to those who choose to make a lifestyle that is sinful in His sight. He is a wrathful God...a fact which many tend to forget in these modern times of debauchery and sin.Then we're better off in Hell ;)

Ooh, bring on the puppets. More puppets, more attention, therefore better!

Only to those who choose to make a lifestyle that is sinful in His sight. He is a wrathful God...a fact which many tend to forget in these modern times of debauchery and sin.

No I'm not. Whoever told you I was wrathful was reading the Handmaid's Tale and getting a hard-on by it. I do get cranky on mondays though, but that's only because I went to rest on the Seventh Day.

Too bad I, God, disagree with all of this.

Yes indeed, God has spoken on these forums! Ah, but it it not to be--you are not God.

Yes indeed, God has spoken on these forums! Ah, but it it not to be--you are not God.

Oh ye of little faith...

Prove it.

Much as other people feel this person might not be a puppet of MTAE, this post is definitely in the same voice as his usual....ideas, if with a bit poorer grammar and spelling.

Silly troll!

Only to those who choose to make a lifestyle that is sinful in His sight.
...and their spouses.

Only to those who choose to make a lifestyle that is sinful in His sight. He is a wrathful God...a fact which many tend to forget in these modern times of debauchery and sin.
And of course His sight = your sight, yeah?

*sighs*

Jesussaves was better.

*wanders off to enjoy sinning*

Prove it.

Oh, he continues in his blasphemy! Be wary, mortal, for your lies tread dangerously on sacrilege...

Abortion, and other means to avoid the consequences of your actions.

What an intruiging statement from a self-proclaimed Christian, considering "avoiding the consequences of your actions" is one of the things Christianity is all about. It is not your fault the devil causes misery and God causes happyness after all.

So... who is the coward ? The person that places the responsibility for his or her actions with supernatural beings, or the person that takes the difficult step of solving their own problems, albeit in a way you do not like ?

I choose you.

Exactly. People choose, and by their choice are condemned. You could, of course, choose not to engage in such activities...

you are joking, correct? you are telling me that abstaining from sex, even sex within the boundaries of marriage, is the only way to heaven?

i thought that simply by believing in the the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for my sins, he would accept me into heaven... boy, was i wrong!

Yes, of course. The use of contraceptives violates one of the three goods of marriage, "proles," or essentially, consenting to having children if you decide to have sex. The other two are "fides" and "sacramentum"--the former being fidelity, and the latter permanency in marriage, or no divorce.

again, you have to be joking. please show me a place in the bible where it states that man must procreate during each and every sexual intercourse, especially within marriage.

then, if you can, cite in it context with passages around it. sound fun?

because sex was created by God for men and women to enjoy. and if you believe that you must procreate during each intercourse, maybe you arent getting enough of it.

Too bad I, God, disagree with all of this.

youve got a decent point there...

Oh, he continues in his blasphemy! Be wary, mortal, for your lies tread dangerously on sacrilege...

Really. Prove it.

Oh, he continues in his blasphemy! Be wary, mortal, for your lies tread dangerously on sacrilege...

If I were contradicting myself, I would know.

Oh, he continues in his blasphemy! Be wary, mortal, for your lies tread dangerously on sacrilege...

AH! I SEE!

I HAVE SINNED AND THUS FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD BECAUSE I ARGUE WITH YOU!

i am sorry... i must find a way to make it to church on sunday, lest i be smitten.

AH! I SEE!

I HAVE SINNED AND THUS FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD BECAUSE I ARGUE WITH YOU!

i am sorry... i must find a way to make it to church on sunday, lest i be smitten.

But only the "One True Church" tm that uses the "One True" translation of the Bible.

Oh, he continues in his blasphemy! Be wary, mortal, for your lies tread dangerously on sacrilege...

What makes his religion less true than yours ?

AH! I SEE!

I HAVE SINNED AND THUS FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD BECAUSE I ARGUE WITH YOU!

i am sorry... i must find a way to make it to church on sunday, lest i be smitten.

He was talking about Me. I think he's saying I contradicted Myself somewhere, when he claims I'm committing sacrilege.

Oh, he continues in his blasphemy! Be wary, mortal, for your lies tread dangerously on sacrilege...You're not for real.

What makes his religion less true than yours ?

It not his, so it's teh ebil.

And, I'd bet, probably teh ghey too.

Oh, he continues in his blasphemy! Be wary, mortal, for your lies tread dangerously on sacrilege...I would hope He has less of a problem with that blasphemy than with yours. To presume to speak for God must certainly be the worst kind of blasphemy; judging yourself fit to tell who shall be condemned and who shall be saved.
And to think so ill of God, to ascribe so little compassion.. It's sickening.

It not his, so it's teh ebil.

And, I'd bet, probably teh ghey too.

... surely those are plusses ;) ?

It not his, so it's teh ebil.

And, I'd bet, probably teh ghey too.

and it teaches teh lies, as well.

perhaps his religion isnt teh ghey, only he is teh ghey.

... surely those are plusses ;) ?

Well, it depend on where teh ghey goes when it dies.

(Yes, gays dont have gender in his church.)

I really shouldn't reply to this, but I have a couple of questions to test the consistency of this line. First off, what is your stance on infertile couples having sex?
They shouldn't. It is offensive toward God.
Second off, what about a person who has a medical condition in which she must take birth control or will die? Unless you're telling me that birth control is such a horrible sin that forcing people to die instead of using it is an ideal situation, that's a bit of an inconsistency.
Do you mean that it should be taken as medicine, like hormone therapy? Then she should be able to take it, but should absolutely abstain from sex until and unless her condition allows her to stop the birth control and conceive a child.



So a husband should not only betray his wife's trust but infect her with an STD at the same time? Certainly you don't think you can stop people from cheating. It's been going on since the dawn of man. Your statement uses flawed logic. That is all.
If bankrobbers could more easily rob banks, without killing people, if they used Tasers, should we then allow them to, or start handing out Tasers to criminals in hopes that they will use them instead of guns?

(Yes, gays dont have gender in his church.)

No gender but sex ? ;)

*groans at the extremely bad pun, but posts it anyway*

I would hope He has less of a problem with that blasphemy than with yours. To presume to speak for God must certainly be the worst kind of blasphemy; judging yourself fit to tell who shall be condemned and who shall be saved.
And to think so ill of God, to ascribe so little compassion.. It's sickening.

There's also the problem of calling Me a mortal, but meh.

They shouldn't. It is offensive toward God. Do you mean that it should be taken as medicine, like hormone therapy? Then she should be able to take it, but should absolutely abstain from sex until and unless her condition allows her to stop the birth control and conceive a child.

If bankrobbers could more easily rob banks, without killing people, if they used Tasers, should we then allow them to, or start handing out Tasers to criminals in hopes that they will use them instead of guns?

I'm so glad the Gods we worship are obviously different beings. Yours is an asshole.

If bankrobbers could more easily rob banks, without killing people, if they used Tasers, should we then allow them to, or start handing out Tasers to criminals in hopes that they will use them instead of guns?

Yes, absolutely. Why wouldn't you?

They shouldn't. It is offensive toward God. Do you mean that it should be taken as medicine, like hormone therapy? Then she should be able to take it, but should absolutely abstain from sex until and unless her condition allows her to stop the birth control and conceive a child.

If bankrobbers could more easily rob banks, without killing people, if they used Tasers, should we then allow them to, or start handing out Tasers to criminals in hopes that they will use them instead of guns?

I told you I am God. Abstinence is not offensive towards Me.

Also, your comparison to robbing banks only has a speck of logic in ANOTHER universe I created, but not here, since robbing banks causes harm to others.

You know those "anti-smoking" ads that are so sanctimonious that you feel like going out for a smoke just to spite them?

Yeah. I'm not saying it, but I know at least a couple of you are thinking it.

They shouldn't. It is offensive toward God. Where does it say that in the bible? Or did he tell you this personall?
Do you mean that it should be taken as medicine, like hormone therapy? Then she should be able to take it, but should absolutely abstain from sex until and unless her condition allows her to stop the birth control and conceive a child.But by abstaining she is unable to conceive a child too! :(
If bankrobbers could more easily rob banks, without killing people, if they used Tasers, should we then allow them to, or start handing out Tasers to criminals in hopes that they will use them instead of guns?That's actually a really good idea! :)

It is offensive toward God.
That's reason enough for me!

:D

Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the idea that women should be above their husbands, should rule, even contradictory to the word of God. God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him. The proper action to take, in response to the rise of STDs, would be to embrace God's authority and stop having promiscuous or homosexual sex. However, at the hands of the Feminist movement, we have instead tried to find a way out of it. Birth control is alike to the getaway car a bank robber might employ to escape the consequences of robbing a bank, and abortion is like the lockpicks that allow that criminal to escape from jail. If you are a woman considering having an abortion, consider that God gave you that child, as a punishment for your promiscuity and sexual carelessness. Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.

I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.

You are no Christian.
You are a liar and twister of the Gospel.
It is the devil that poisons a pound of truth with an ounce of lies.

Christ never moved with such malice and hatred of his fellow man, his fellow man.

I hate being open about my fiath on these boards opening myself to the slander of so many who take no other offense from me then my faith.

But as a Christian I am bound to mark for what you are;
A troll,
A malicious perverter of the Gospel truth,
and no Christian by any stretch of the word.

The Christ, the Lamb of God, my Lord and savior.
Walked with the lowest of Society, he did not judge, he taught, and those who presumed to preach the word of God but only offered they twisted measures of the truth he marked as Hypocrites and liars.

Go away.
Real people of faith have enough problems around here without the likes of you.

They shouldn't. It is offensive toward God. Why do you pressume to speak for God?
There is not even mention of it in scripture.

Leave the judgement to God s'il vous plait, as the scripture instructs.

You know those "anti-smoking" ads that are so sanctimonious that you feel like going out for a smoke just to spite them?

Yeah. I'm not saying it, but I know at least a couple of you are thinking it.

That is possibly the funniest and truest thing I've read all day.

Where does it say that in the bible? Or did he tell you this personall?

Let Me go on record here to say I did not tell TRA anything.

You know those "anti-smoking" ads that are so sanctimonious that you feel like going out for a smoke just to spite them?

Yeah. I'm not saying it, but I know at least a couple of you are thinking it.I'm sure the pickup line "I've just been posting in a thread telling me I'll go to Hell if I'm promiscuous. Wanna shag?" wouldn't fly well. :D

They shouldn't. It is offensive toward God.

A God. That you believe that yours is the only true one is your problem. And quite probably His too ;).

I'm sure the pickup line "I've just been posting in a thread telling me I'll go to Hell if I'm promiscuous. Wanna shag?" wouldn't fly well. :D

I dunno, that's kinda sexy.

"Wow, that abstinence campaign really makes me horny, how 'bout it baby?"

"Wow, that abstinence campaign really makes me horny, how 'bout it baby?"

"Here it is cold. In Hell it is warm. Wanna make sure we get there ?"

I'm sure the pickup line "I've just been posting in a thread telling me I'll go to Hell if I'm promiscuous. Wanna shag?" wouldn't fly well. :D

What about Me posting in a thread in which the OP keeps twisting My word to fit his worldview?

I dunno, that's kinda sexy.

"Wow, that abstinence campaign really makes me horny, how 'bout it baby?"

"What? Talking about not getting any doesnt make you want to?"

*slap*

I dunno, that's kinda sexy.

"Wow, that abstinence campaign really makes me horny, how 'bout it baby?"Why? Are you female?

"What? Talking about not getting any doesnt make you want to?"

*slap*

Meh. Saw kinkier in Sodoma & Gomorrah. Didn't send any sulfur rains, though, a horse started a fire by kicking a lamp on some wood. And before anyone asks, didn't inspire the horse to kick the lamp either...

Meh. Saw kinkier in Sodoma & Gomorrah. Didn't send any sulfur rains, though, a horse started a fire by kicking a lamp on some wood. And before anyone asks, didn't inspire the horse to kick the lamp either...

But You created horses! Also, You created homosexuality. Therefore, you are indirectly responsible.

But You created horses! Also, You created homosexuality. Therefore, you are indirectly responsible.

Yeah, but I also created people and wood to BUILD the place. And homosexuality was only a hobby there, had nothing to do with the fire, really.

you know, are we just supposed to start wearing chastity belts and having ear sex?

*cut in to Family Guy*

...

damn. didnt work. flashbacks are always tricky things to master.

Yeah, but I also created people and wood to BUILD the place. And homosexuality was only a hobby there, had nothing to do with the fire, really.

But You made wood flammable! You evil, evil bastard!

Abortion is the number one method of birth control. So much for all the America-bashing, and anti-feminism drivel I'm reading here.:headbang:

you know, are we just supposed to start wearing chastity belts and having ear sex?

*cut in to Family Guy*

...

damn. didnt work. flashbacks are always tricky things to master.

According to the Op. Minding that he did NOT in any way consult Me on this. It's annoying how much people do or say bad stuff in My name, really. If I were as evil as they claim, I'd have sent them to Hell by now.

you are joking, correct? you are telling me that abstaining from sex, even sex within the boundaries of marriage, is the only way to heaven?

i thought that simply by believing in the the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for my sins, he would accept me into heaven... boy, was i wrong!

Ha. Abstaining from sex within marriage has absolutely nothing to do with getting into Heaven. Nice try, though. Now go reread my post, where I said the use of contraceptives violates the contract of marriage by virtue of excluding proles.

And that second part is a gross misunderstanding of the Christian faith. You must accept Him as your Lord and Saviour, but you must also realise that acceptance is far more than the lip service paid to faith by many today.

again, you have to be joking. please show me a place in the bible where it states that man must procreate during each and every sexual intercourse, especially within marriage.

It was never said that man must procreate druing every sexual intercourse. If you desire to understand anything about this subject, you will of course realise that "proles," as a good of marriage, means not excluding the possibility of children when you have sex. Clearly, every time you have sex you will not produce child. But you cannot preclude the consequences of your consummation.

But You made wood flammable! You evil, evil bastard!

Yes, and that allowed people to live by creating fire. Now, don't start committing sacrilege, it annoys Me. I won't do anything to you, but it annoys Me.

Why? Are you female?

I see my attempt at humor has failed.

*hangs head in shame*

AH! I SEE!

I HAVE SINNED AND THUS FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD BECAUSE I ARGUE WITH YOU!

i am sorry... i must find a way to make it to church on sunday, lest i be smitten.

Nice. Now go back and read the post, who it was directed to, and for what reason.

It was never said that man must procreate druing every sexual intercourse. If you desire to understand anything about this subject, you will of course realise that "proles," as a good of marriage, means not excluding the possibility of children when you have sex. Clearly, every time you have sex you will not produce child. But you cannot preclude the consequences of your consummation.

I, the LORD your God, have already told you AND them that yes, you CAN preclude children if you so wish. Now, will you quit twisting My words?

It was never said that man must procreate druing every sexual intercourse. If you desire to understand anything about this subject, you will of course realise that "proles," as a good of marriage, means not excluding the possibility of children when you have sex. Clearly, every time you have sex you will not produce child. But you cannot preclude the consequences of your consummation.

And what is Gods underlying reasoning for this ?

Nice. Now go back and read the post, who it was directed to, and for what reason.

It was directed at Me because somehow he thinks I can commit sacrilege against Myself. Well, I could if I wanted - omnipotence and all that - but I really don't feel like it.

Nice. Now go back and read the post, who it was directed to, and for what reason.

nice. now, stop trolling, go to a dictionary, look up the word "sarcasm."

also, while youre there, look up the word "intelligence." that will save loads of time.

And what is Gods underlying reasoning for this ?

There would only be one if I were a psychopath, which I'm not.

Ha. Abstaining from sex within marriage has absolutely nothing to do with getting into Heaven. Nice try, though. Now go reread my post, where I said the use of contraceptives violates the contract of marriage by virtue of excluding proles.

And that second part is a gross misunderstanding of the Christian faith. You must accept Him as your Lord and Saviour, but you must also realise that acceptance is far more than the lip service paid to faith by many today.

It was never said that man must procreate druing every sexual intercourse. If you desire to understand anything about this subject, you will of course realise that "proles," as a good of marriage, means not excluding the possibility of children when you have sex. Clearly, every time you have sex you will not produce child. But you cannot preclude the consequences of your consummation.

Quick question. Where does "Proles" come from? My own searches only show it as an abbreviation of "proletariat".

I, the LORD your God, have already told you AND them that yes, you CAN preclude children if you so wish. Now, will you quit twisting My words?

Really? And where have you said that?

I'm sure the pickup line "I've just been posting in a thread telling me I'll go to Hell if I'm promiscuous. Wanna shag?" wouldn't fly well. :D
Haven't you noticed how the Anti-Sex Crusaders always have the most lurid descriptions of all the dirty, sinful stuff you aren't supposed to ever do because it's naughty? Naughty, naughty, naughty!

Always makes me crave a good spanking, it does. Which probably isn't the reaction they're going for.

Haven't you noticed how the Anti-Sex Crusaders always have the most lurid descriptions of all the dirty, sinful stuff you aren't supposed to ever do because it's naughty? Naughty, naughty, naughty!

Always makes me crave a good spanking, it does. Which probably isn't the reaction they're going for.

no. because sex is bad. sexual innuendo is bad. drugs are bad. words are bad.

arguing against true christians is bad.

i have sinned, im sorry.

apparently God does not forgive.

you know, are we just supposed to start wearing chastity belts and having ear sex?

*cut in to Family Guy*

...

damn. didnt work. flashbacks are always tricky things to master.

Wait that's my ear!
This doesnt feel right physically!

*cue Freakshow*

Now my ears are cleaner than ever!

Really? And where have you said that?

Here:
I, the LORD your God, have already told you AND them that yes, you CAN preclude children if you so wish. Now, will you quit twisting My words?

Haven't you noticed how the Anti-Sex Crusaders always have the most lurid descriptions of all the dirty, sinful stuff you aren't supposed to ever do because it's naughty? Naughty, naughty, naughty!

Always makes me crave a good spanking, it does. Which probably isn't the reaction they're going for.Haven't handed those out in a while... :D

Nah. Off to handling phallic objects it is for me! Fencing practice time!

Really? And where have you said that?

Right now, in this forum.

Oh, boy. Bible. Right. Those morons that twisted My words to fit their needs. I TOLD them not to. Ah well. Okay, here's the deal, I, the LORD your god, do hereby declare those parts of the Bible that make Me look like a jackass and that include punishment, Hell, etc, null and void.

Better?

Quick question. Where does "Proles" come from? My own searches only show it as an abbreviation of "proletariat".

Latin. Same with fides and sacramentum. Also, to be more specific, it can be found in the Decretum of Gratian as well as the Decretals of Gregory IX, teh Clementines, and the Extravagantes.

Haven't handed those out in a while... :D

Nah. Off to handling phallic objects it is for me! Fencing practice time!

Hey! I fence!

:( :p

Really? And where have you said that?

He did so here, in this topic.

Now you answer me why your God says all those things.

After all, people that just follow orders without question are prime material for temptation by Satan. Surely you are not ?

Haven't handed those out in a while... :D

Nah. Off to handling phallic objects it is for me! Fencing practice time!

I like epee.

Latin. Same with fides and sacramentum. Also, to be more specific, it can be found in the Decretum of Gratian as well as the Decretals of Gregory IX, teh Clementines, and the Extravagantes.

...after I SPECIFICALLY told them not to! I TOLD them that, in a few hundred years, a guy named George Orwell would include it as the "1984" masses. Ah well. Good book though, you should read it. It's about everything that I am NOT.

Right now, in this forum.

Oh, boy. Bible. Right. Those morons that twisted My words to fit their needs. I TOLD them not to. Ah well. Okay, here's the deal, I, the LORD your god, do hereby declare those parts of the Bible that make Me look like a jackass and that include punishment, Hell, etc, null and void.

Better?

I have to ask you a question to validate your answer.

Now, this question has a short answer.

What is The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything?

I like epee.

Epee is awesome

nice. now, stop trolling, go to a dictionary, look up the word "sarcasm."

also, while youre there, look up the word "intelligence." that will save loads of time.

Sarcasm that was grossly misplaced and quite spurious.

In fact, while we're on the topic of dictionaries, might I suggest you look up "trolling," "disagreement," and "debate." Might help you out there.

I have to ask you a question to validate your answer.

Now, this question has a short answer.

What is The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything?

I got the joke, 42, but what you just asked isn't a question.

Sarcasm that was grossly misplaced and quite spurious.

In fact, while we're on the topic of dictionaries, might I suggest you look up "trolling," "disagreement," and "debate." Might help you out there.

For there to be a debate, both sides - yours, specifically - have to apply logics, which I created for that purpose and others.

Sarcasm that was grossly misplaced and quite spurious.

In fact, while we're on the topic of dictionaries, might I suggest you look up "trolling," "disagreement," and "debate." Might help you out there.

Hmm, it seems that yes, what you are doing qualifies as "trolling." Not too sure about "debate," though you are certainly "disagreeable."

Sarcasm that was grossly misplaced and quite spurious.

In fact, while we're on the topic of dictionaries, might I suggest you look up "trolling," "disagreement," and "debate." Might help you out there.

For a debate you are supposed to answer serious questions and back those answers up with reasoning.

I have asked you multiple times to explain the motivations behind certain opinions-according-to-you of God.
Please do so.

Epee is awesome

Pfft. Sabre FTW.

I, the LORD your God, have already told you AND them that yes, you CAN preclude children if you so wish. Now, will you quit twisting My words?

Wait a minute. Just hold on there, buster. We both agreed that it was My turn to play Nationstates. Seriously Dad. Or are You still going on the whole Old Testament stuff that "I'm the wrathful God! Fear Me!" that took me thirty years to convince people otherwise?

For a debate you are supposed to answer serious questions and back those answers up with reasoning.

I have asked you multiple times to explain the motivations behind certain opinions-according-to-you of God.
Please do so.

Oh My Me!

I told you guys already, I do not have these opinions, they're his and his alone...

I got the joke, 42, but what you just asked isn't a question.

Ooh, so sorry, but that is wrong. The correct answer... was 44.

Hey! I fence!

:( :pWell, those that live by the sword, die by the sword =P

Where at?

(I managed to beat someone from Westpoint two weekends ago! So proud)

Wait a minute. Just hold on there, buster. We both agreed that it was My turn to play Nationstates. Seriously Dad. Or are You still going on the whole Old Testament stuff that "I'm the wrathful God! Fear Me!" that took me thirty years to convince people otherwise?

I told you, I didn't do it, it was those morons from the Church. You know what it's like, they misinterpreted you too. And look what they did to poor Muhammad!

Ooh, so sorry, but that is wrong. The correct answer... was 44.

Actually, I just made it 42. Go check.

I told you, I didn't do it, it was those morons from the Church. You know what it's like, they misinterpreted you too. And look what they did to poor Muhammad!

Not to mention the lies they told about Job

Oh My Me!

I told you guys already, I do not have these opinions, they're his and his alone...

I would like a chance to speak on behalf of the Trinity!

...please (if it be Your will, Father)

Pfft. Sabre FTW.

Sabre? You heathen! I shun thee! Shun, I say!

Epee is awesome"I can't aim, therefore I fence epée."

Pfft. Sabre FTW.
"I have no grace, therefore I fence sabre."

:p
Foil - We hit where it counts!

What is The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything?

According to Google Calculator (http://www.google.com/search?q=the+answer+to+life%2C+the+universe%2C+and+everything&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8):


the answer to life, the universe, and everything = 42

I told you, I didn't do it, it was those morons from the Church. You know what it's like, they misinterpreted you too. And look what they did to poor Muhammad!

I liked that guy, a man of peace and love.

Unless You are referring to Ali, the boxer, but I liked him too.

I would like a chance to speak on behalf of the Trinity!

...please (if it be Your will, Father)

Meh. If you want. But I'll get annoyed if you start spouting stuff about Me being a jackass, okay?

I liked that guy, a man of peace and love.

Unless You are referring to Ali, the boxer, but I liked him too.

Both were nice, but I meant the Islam one.

Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the idea that women should be above their husbands, should rule, even contradictory to the word of God. God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him. The proper action to take, in response to the rise of STDs, would be to embrace God's authority and stop having promiscuous or homosexual sex. However, at the hands of the Feminist movement, we have instead tried to find a way out of it. Birth control is alike to the getaway car a bank robber might employ to escape the consequences of robbing a bank, and abortion is like the lockpicks that allow that criminal to escape from jail. If you are a woman considering having an abortion, consider that God gave you that child, as a punishment for your promiscuity and sexual carelessness. Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.

I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.

Oooo! More puppet show action!

*Does same thing as in last thread*

Ya'll know I love puppets. They're so fun to play with, to manipulate.

Meh. If you want. But I'll change your gender if you start spouting stuff about Me being a jackass, okay?

Praise be to God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost!

Now, where did those two Hell-raisers go?

"I can't aim, therefore I fence epée."

. . . I'd argue with you, but I have horrible point control. :(

Latin. Same with fides and sacramentum. Also, to be more specific, it can be found in the Decretum of Gratian as well as the Decretals of Gregory IX, teh Clementines, and the Extravagantes.

Hm, I thought that term was Catholic.

Catholic dogma and law is hardly the definitive will of God, much less a source that many Christians will agree on for that matter. If you're Catholic, feel free to stick to those practices, but realize that legal interpretation of the Bible is about two steps removed from God and very suspect under any circumstances.

Well, those that live by the sword, die by the sword =P

Where at?

(I managed to beat someone from Westpoint two weekends ago! So proud)

South Jersey. Just qualified for Junior Olympics in Denver in Feb.

I have an unclassified tourny on Sunday, too. This weekend will be wild, with that, the SATs, and a poetry/coffeehouse on friday.

Oh My Me!

I told you guys already, I do not have these opinions, they're his and his alone...

That is why I called them "opinions-according-to-you" ;)

"I can't aim, therefore I fence epée."

Epee fencers touch all over. :eek:

"I have no grace, therefore I fence sabre."

Or, more correctly, "I have no point control and I like flying through the air, so therefore I fence sabre."

:p
Foil - We hit where it counts!

Yeah, so does sabre when you miss.

Also, 13000 posts. Nice. :cool:

South Jersey. Just qualified for Junior Olympics in Denver in Feb.

I have an unclassified tourny on Sunday, too. This weekend will be wild, with that, the SATs, and a poetry/coffeehouse on friday.Where exactly? The wimminfolk in my club have one this Sunday too.

That is why I called them "opinions-according-to-you" ;)

Point.

Who are you to define God and his words? You seem to have not only based an argument on dogma and speculation, but completely avoided biblical scripture for reference and support. Your argument is a flaw. Learn humility.

Where exactly? The wimminfolk in my club have one this Sunday too.

http://askfred.net/Events/moreInfo.php?tournament_id=2640

AskFRED is your friend.

Both were nice, but I meant the Islam one.

You know, as I look at the world, at Your creation, I am really, really saddened by how far Man has turned from the Truth, the Way and the Light. So much hate, so much discontent. How many times have We tried? We've sent messengers of Truth throughout the ages, and their messages have been distorted and used for purposes that are not their intention. Can I make my second coming a little...sooner?

http://askfred.net/Events/moreInfo.php?tournament_id=2640

AskFRED is your friend.You didn't go to Temple Open or Haverford by any chance, did you?

You didn't go to Temple Open or Haverford by any chance, did you?

Nope. Kinda stay in Jersey, why? You close?

You know, as I look at the world, at Your creation, I am really, really saddened by how far Man has turned from the Truth, the Way and the Light. So much hate, so much discontent. How many times have We tried? We've sent messengers of Truth throughout the ages, and their messages have been distorted and used for purposes that are not their intention. Can I make my second coming a little...sooner?

Nah, let them learn. Think about it, they began burning people and are reduced to trolling in forums now. Things evolve.

Nope. Kinda stay in Jersey, why? You close?Well, we stayed in a hotel in New Jersey when we went to Temple Open in Philly. I'm in Charlottesville at UVA at the moment.

Well, we stayed in a hotel in New Jersey when we went to Temple Open in Philly. I'm in Charlottesville at UVA at the moment.

Yes, thought I remembered the one other fencer on NS :)

Yes, thought I remembered the one other fencer on NS :)Yeah. I gotta head to practice now. See you round.

so are any of the fencers here rated? I'm not.

"Jesus Saves".

And takes half the damage!!

And takes half the damage!!

Ah, D&D... One of My best inventions!

Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the idea that women should be above their husbands, should rule, even contradictory to the word of God. God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him. The proper action to take, in response to the rise of STDs, would be to embrace God's authority and stop having promiscuous or homosexual sex. However, at the hands of the Feminist movement, we have instead tried to find a way out of it. Birth control is alike to the getaway car a bank robber might employ to escape the consequences of robbing a bank, and abortion is like the lockpicks that allow that criminal to escape from jail. If you are a woman considering having an abortion, consider that God gave you that child, as a punishment for your promiscuity and sexual carelessness. Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.

I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.

ROFL!!!! Anyone want to take a wager a 3 to 1 that this guy will NEVER EVER get laid, and die a woman-hating masturbator?

Why did God bother making STDs, which can infect innocent people, like the guy's wife? Why doesn't he just smite everyone who cheats in the first place? Far less collateral damage, then.

Because God's a mean SOB.

Mm. Don't you, as a protestant, believe that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you believe that Jesus died for your sins?

Didn't you know? That's the Catholic Church's basic stance, what with forgiveness and all ruling them. Some protestant sects, however, have taken it upon them to adopt some of the old Church "Fire and Brimstone!" tactics. Complete 180.

If we taught sex education properly, taught kids responsibility, and ensured that contraceptives were available, there would be far fewer abortions.

ROFL!!!! Anyone want to take a wager a 3 to 1 that this guy will NEVER EVER get laid, and die a woman-hating masturbator?

No, he will. To someone like the "God Warrior" from trading spouses, I would assume. :D

........:eek:

Oh...my...god.

WHAT ABOUT RAPE? HUH? WHAT ABOUT WHEN A MOTHER FUCKIN' RAPES HER SON? YOU TELLIN' ME THE MOTHER SHOULDN'T GET AN ABORTION? FORCE THE KID TO DEAL WITH HIS FRIGGIN' "SON"? WHAT ABOUT WHEN A FATHER RAPES HIS DAUGHTER? SHOULD THE DAUGHTER HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT? WHAT ABOUT IF SOME RANDOM PERSON GETS RAPED ON THE STREET? SHOULD THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE? WELL? MAYBE I'LL LUCK OUT AND YOU'LL GET STUCK WITH YOUR STUPID, DARK AGE MORALS AND HAVE THE STUPID KID! AS IT IS, WHY DON'T YOU GET YOUR FRIGGIN' HANDS OFF WOMAN'S BODIES?


I'm sorry...It's just people like this really, really, piss me off.

Remember kids, you are punishment for your parents godless hedonism!


Question, if all those things are abhorrent to god, why does he allow them?

dont hold your breath on any answers.

i asked him a question about his std is punishment thread,and i thought it was worthy of a responce,or at the least,a rebutal.

i think he likes to trot out his doctrine(troll)and then scurry off

ROFL!!!! Anyone want to take a wager a 3 to 1 that this guy will NEVER EVER get laid, and die a woman-hating masturbator?

I'd take that bet (I won't tell you on which side) but it'd be unfair, with Me being omniscient and all.

........:eek:

Oh...my...god.

WHAT ABOUT RAPE? HUH? WHAT ABOUT WHEN A MOTHER FUCKIN' RAPES HER SON? YOU TELLIN' ME THE MOTHER SHOULDN'T GET AN ABORTION? FORCE THE KID TO DEAL WITH HIS FRIGGIN' "SON"? WHAT ABOUT WHEN A FATHER RAPES HIS DAUGHTER? SHOULD THE DAUGHTER HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT? WHAT ABOUT IF SOME RANDOM PERSON GETS RAPED ON THE STREET? SHOULD THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE? WELL? MAYBE I'LL LUCK OUT AND YOU'LL GET STUCK WITH YOUR STUPID, DARK AGE MORALS AND HAVE THE STUPID KID! AS IT IS, WHY DON'T YOU GET YOUR FRIGGIN' HANDS OFF WOMAN'S BODIES?


I'm sorry...It's just people like this really, really, piss me off.

Calm down, calm down. That is precisely the reaction the fundies want. How do I know? I'm omniscient. :D

anyone got a clothes hanger?:eek:

Calm down, calm down. That is precisely the reaction the fundies want. How do I know? I'm omniscient. :D

Yeah, I know it is...

It's just... *Twitch, twitch*

Have you ever noticed that most of the people who are against abortion are for the death penalty? What's the cutoff point for people being alive? Is it 18?

Yeah, I know it is...

It's just... *Twitch, twitch*

Have you ever noticed that most of the people who are against abortion are for the death penalty? What's the cutoff point for people being alive? Is it 18?

thats not necessarily true. a lot of christians are against both abortion and the death penalty.

but i do see what you mean with the argument

Remember, folks. AIDS is punishment for the sins of hemophilia and blood tranfusions. :rolleyes:

Remember, folks. AIDS is punishment for the sins of hemophilia and blood tranfusions. :rolleyes:

Don't forget dentist appointments.

ROFL!!!! Anyone want to take a wager a 3 to 1 that this guy will NEVER EVER get laid, and die a woman-hating masturbator?
In all seriousness, I think it's pretty obvious that the person controlling the OP puppet is actually a very pro-feminist individual. And that kind of person is totally hawt. :D

The girl I'm 'seeing' (read: fucking but not dating) is on the pill, and I got tested the other day only to find myself... clean.

Score on the STD front:

Monkeypimp 1 - 0 God

WHAT ABOUT RAPE? WHAT ABOUT WHEN A FATHER RAPES HIS DAUGHTER? SHOULD THE DAUGHTER HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT? WHAT ABOUT IF SOME RANDOM PERSON GETS RAPED ON THE STREET? SHOULD THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE? WELL?


- They were probably asking for it by dressing provocably and leading the men into temptation.
- Maybe they should have thought of that before they got a vagina.
- Yet more evidence that women are wicked and here to lead men into temptation as daughters of eve.


Just saving the troll time.

Seroiusly - although commendable - your outrage is the reaction the troll is hoping to provoke. Just let the thread die. And all future ones.

I'm Pro-Life for the most part....

In General, I feel that abortion is wrong. People need to live with the consequences of their actions.

Exceptions: Abortion would be necessary if it would save the Mother's life. Also, I am in support of abortion for rape victims and the children who have been molested.

I'm Pro-Life for the most part....

In General, I feel that abortion is wrong. People need to live with the consequences of their actions.

Exceptions: Abortion would be necessary if it would save the Mother's life. Also, I am in support of abortion for rape victims and the children who have been molested.

So you oppose Abortion as you feel women should be punished?

And you opposition to abortion has nothing at all to do with protecting the rights of the child/foetus?

Seroiusly - although commendable - your outrage is the reaction the troll is hoping to provoke. Just let the thread die. And all future ones.

You might try taking a bit of your own advice.

You might try taking a bit of your own advice.

*removes giant log from eye*
*blushes*

"Hey - Look over there! A UFO!"

*runs*

But seriously - I don't think King Bodacious is trolling...

In General, I feel that abortion is wrong. People need to live with the consequences of their actions.

Which consequences ? If you abort a pregnancy early on you simply prevent a human from coming into existence. Prevent the growing husk that is the fetal body from being occupied.

*removes giant log from eye*
*blushes*

"Hey - Look over there! A UFO!"

*runs*

Oooh, a UFO
*searches for in vain*
*notices FR is gone*
Oh
:(

I'm Pro-Life for the most part....

In General, I feel that abortion is wrong. People need to live with the consequences of their actions.


Hurray, let's force children on people as punishment!

Banning abortion won't work. Plain and simple. It's the same reason Prohibition didn't work. You can't stop people from doing it, and when they do, it will be in an unregulated, often unsafe environment, and more people will die as a result.

The only way to root out abortion is to educate people. Education can solve so many of our problems, but people are too afraid to pay taxes and enjoy sneering at poor people too much to make it work. It's like breaking a person's legs and then yelling at him for not being able to walk.

If we give people comprehensive sex education, abortion will drop because people will find themselves in fewer situations that will require abortions. If the fundies would figure that out instead of this horseshit about how every single sex act has to be within a good Christian marriage and has to produce a child, then the problems that plague us will go away.

This has been your liberal, neither-pro-life-nor-pro-choice abortion rant.

People need to live with the consequences of their actions.

I agree, which is why I oppose allowing victims of car accidents to receive medical treatment. They decided to drive a car, so they get to live with the consequences of that action.

I'm prepared to allow certain car accident victims to receive care, however, like small children or people who were forced into the car at gunpoint. I'm also willing to allow medical care if it is required to save the life of the car accident victim, but not for any other reason. If they've gotta lose a leg or an arm or half their face, then that's just how it goes. They shouldn't have chosen to drive if they weren't prepared to live with the consequences of that action.

I am slightly confused.

In the past, being confused about my own spirituality, I made an extensive study of the Bible to determine whether the beliefs it advocates are ones I share. (I ended up coming to my own personal theory of God based on scientific studies; if there is a God, human beings are far too small and insignificant to even comprehend such a concept -- as we reside in a universe that might well be one of an infinite number existing at every point of a higher one -- and we can only approximate by creating a deity in our own image, therefore flawed. But that is another matter.)

In all my studies I found very little that justifies many of the assertions made by so-called fundamentalist Christians today. The homosexuality passages appear much more vague in a literal translation of the original Hebrew; there is nothing that I recall about birth control, abortion, or sexually transmitted diseases (except the cleansing of objects touched by sexual fluids, presumably to prevent the spread of disease). Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that humans should have sex only for the purpose of procreation.

Additionally, attempting to explain how God works and acts is generally frowned upon, and seen as blasphemy. Thus, it would be blasphemy to tell someone she is going to hell for a certain behaviour unless one is a member of the clergy (Levites, in the Old Testament).

I can only conclude that those who authorise such authoritarian measures are either in denial regarding such tendencies in themselves, or are following the teachings of the Puritan church -- which was not ordained by God in any holy text. Christian Fundamentalists they are not (or else they would be 'turning the other cheek', 'doing unto others as they would have others do unto them', supporting a more socialist economic policy, and so on).

This is a serious post; I'd appreciate a response. As it is all The Redemption Army has succeeded in doing is further discrediting people of faith, which -- if he actually holds these views -- is obviously not his intent. On the other hand, he could be holding the opposite view and attempting to discredit people of faith, which is trolling.

[This last paragraph brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.]

I wonder how many prolifers go out and adopt unwanted, abandoned, abused, or neglected children?
I think they care more about a glob of cells than they do about real children already born into the world.

I'm Pro-Life for the most part....

"Pro-life"... Pffft! Who isn't pro-life? It's a silly term.

IIn all my studies I found very little that justifies many of the assertions made by so-called fundamentalist Christians today.

Case in point: depending on which particular translation of a Bible you hold (specifically the famous eye for an eye passage), causing a miscarrriage is either murder or merely something for which a fine can be demanded by the father (note: the father, not the mother) - assuming the mother is not otherwise harmed.

Considering the Bible is quite full of examples of when it is proper to kill women, even when pregnant, with no regard whatsoever for the unborn children that of course also die when their mother does, the latter translation to me at least seems to be far more likely to be correct.

"Pro-life"... Pffft! Who isn't pro-life? It's a silly term.

Well, the implication is that opponents are anti-life, or pro-death. Just as pro-choice people can paint their opponents as anti-choice or pro-force, which doesn't sound quite as bad and is probably an accurate description...

I wonder how many prolifers go out and adopt unwanted, abandoned, abused, or neglected children?
I think they care more about a glob of cells than they do about real children already born into the world.

Ha. That's a laugh. Those people are off having their own children because God said to be fruitful and multiply. He never said anything aobut adoption. Fundies just care more about telling people what to do and having power over them than they do about children.

I am slightly confused.

In the past, being confused about my own spirituality, I made an extensive study of the Bible to determine whether the beliefs it advocates are ones I share. (I ended up coming to my own personal theory of God based on scientific studies; if there is a God, human beings are far too small and insignificant to even comprehend such a concept -- as we reside in a universe that might well be one of an infinite number existing at every point of a higher one -- and we can only approximate by creating a deity in our own image, therefore flawed. But that is another matter.)

In all my studies I found very little that justifies many of the assertions made by so-called fundamentalist Christians today. The homosexuality passages appear much more vague in a literal translation of the original Hebrew; there is nothing that I recall about birth control, abortion, or sexually transmitted diseases (except the cleansing of objects touched by sexual fluids, presumably to prevent the spread of disease). Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that humans should have sex only for the purpose of procreation.

Additionally, attempting to explain how God works and acts is generally frowned upon, and seen as blasphemy. Thus, it would be blasphemy to tell someone she is going to hell for a certain behaviour unless one is a member of the clergy (Levites, in the Old Testament).

I can only conclude that those who authorise such authoritarian measures are either in denial regarding such tendencies in themselves, or are following the teachings of the Puritan church -- which was not ordained by God in any holy text. Christian Fundamentalists they are not (or else they would be 'turning the other cheek', 'doing unto others as they would have others do unto them', supporting a more socialist economic policy, and so on).

This is a serious post; I'd appreciate a response. As it is all The Redemption Army has succeeded in doing is further discrediting people of faith, which -- if he actually holds these views -- is obviously not his intent. On the other hand, he could be holding the opposite view and attempting to discredit people of faith, which is trolling.

[This last paragraph brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.]

Thanks to you, I do not have to impersonate God anymore in order to show the fundies that their claims have no basis, neither logical nor in any fiction book, such as the Bible.

Thanks to you, I do not have to impersonate God anymore in order to show the fundies that their claims have no basis, neither logical nor in any fiction book, such as the Bible.

Yay! I accomplished something! .... I think. :confused:

I have always wanted a reason to troll and viciously attack fundies who think the pill is the be all, end all point of evil.

This kind of horseshit proves just how uneducated your typical fundamentalist truly is. They can't understand shit, they blow out their ass then can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't think like they do (because no one can!).

The birth control pill isn't just to avoid conception (chew on that, fundies! Yeah, birth control actually prevents the girl from releasing an egg during ovulation, and hence, she retains that egg, because as the rest of us know, a girl is only born with a certain number of eggs). The same goddamn pill also has in it, estrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen), which is a hormone necessary for women's health.

You little blighters also didn't know that it isn't JUST for women who want to 'avoid the consequences'. I take the pill because I have no fucking choice. I have a fucking medical condition known as 'Kallman's Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallman%27s_Syndrome)'. I no ability to produce estrogen, so, I need medical help. I take this one because it's a better regulator of the menstrual cycle (bet you didn't know that either - figures, since you would rather preach than learn!), than the regular hormone supplement given to post-menopausal women.

Do me a favour and stop blowing out your asses because it's just making you look stupider!

Do some research before you preach!

Do some research before you preach!

They don't believe in science, how could they believe, let alone DO, research?

Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the idea that women should be above their husbands, should rule, even contradictory to the word of God. God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him. The proper action to take, in response to the rise of STDs, would be to embrace God's authority and stop having promiscuous or homosexual sex. However, at the hands of the Feminist movement, we have instead tried to find a way out of it. Birth control is alike to the getaway car a bank robber might employ to escape the consequences of robbing a bank, and abortion is like the lockpicks that allow that criminal to escape from jail. If you are a woman considering having an abortion, consider that God gave you that child, as a punishment for your promiscuity and sexual carelessness. Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?
Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.
I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.
People choose to lie, steal, commit murder, and varous other things. I never said that because they didn't choose them, just that they are wrong. The existence of STDs, a thing that was barely a problem prior to this age of promiscuity and hedonism, and now several of them are lethal, should be ample evidence for the displeasure of God regarding the acts that lead people to contracting them.
Yes. Sex should not be practiced except for the purpose of having children. If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.
Also, condoms are frequently used by adulterous husbands to avoid revealing their affairs with STD infected women to their wives through an infection.
My reasoning is outlined in the first post. If you want to know more, you will have to ask more specific questions.
They shouldn't. It is offensive toward God. Do you mean that it should be taken as medicine, like hormone therapy? Then she should be able to take it, but should absolutely abstain from sex until and unless her condition allows her to stop the birth control and conceive a child.
If bankrobbers could more easily rob banks, without killing people, if they used Tasers, should we then allow them to, or start handing out Tasers to criminals in hopes that they will use them instead of guns?
Thou who wouldst make us devils
Thou shalt not poison me
The world hath been persuaded
To believe thy heresy

I spit in the eye of Satan
And I will spit in thine
The devils that surround thee
Liveth only in thine eye

Bad religion, bad religion
I need no gods or devils, I need no pagan rights
Bad religion, bad religion
I need no burning crosses to illuminate my nights

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Evangelistic Nazis,
You cannot frighten me
The name you take in vain
Shall judge you for eternity

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Spit right in your eye too
You are the spooks you're chasing
You know not what you do

Bad religion, bad religion
I know you lie, I know you lie
Bad religion, bad religion
Thieves and liars, cross my heart I hope you die

Hey! Hey!
Remember me? Remember me?
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If there be justice burning hell awaits for thee

Liar, liar, liar, liar, liar...

If there be such a being
Then thou art Antichrist
Turn men against their children
Turn beauty into vice

I say thy God shall smite thee
He will perceive thy lust
His wrath shall fall upon thee
Thou that betray His thrust

Bad religion, bad religion
I say that thou art liars, thy souls shall not be saved
Bad religion, bad religion
Here are the days of thunder, the days that thou hast made

Hey! Hey!
Base seducers, I see thy greed
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I am more fit for glory than any ten of thee.

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I have always wanted a reason to troll and viciously attack fundies who think the pill is the be all, end all point of evil.

This kind of fucking horseshit proves just how fucking uneducated your typical fundamentalist truly is. They can't understand fucking shit, they blow out their ass then can't understand why the rest of the fucking world doesn't think like they do.

The fucking birth control pill isn't just to avoid conception (chew on that, fundies! Yeah, birth control actually prevents the girl from releasing an egg during ovulation, and hence, she retains that egg, because as the rest of us know, a girl is only born with a certain number of eggs). The same goddamn pill also has in it, estrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen), which is a hormone necessary for women's health.

You little blighters also didn't know that it isn't JUST for women who want to 'avoid the consequences'. I take the pill because I have no fucking choice. I have a fucking medical condition known as 'Kallman's Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallman%27s_Syndrome)'. I no ability to produce estrogen, so, I need medical help. I take this one because it's a better regulator of the menstrual cycle (bet you didn't know that either - figures, since you would rather preach than learn!), than the regular hormone supplement given to post-menopausal women.

Do me a fucking favour and stop blowing out your fucking asses because it's just making you look stupider!

Do some research before you preach!

You ask so much out of such narrow-minded jerks. I asked the question of TRA about infertile people being able to have sex and people needing birth control to survive because my fiancee falls into both categories. She has Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycystic_Ovarian_Syndrome) and was told she cannot have children. According to TRA, God will punish us, especially her, for having sex, since pregnancy is unlikely. Even the Catholic Church isn't that strict; they OK infertile married couples to have sex, since they state that sex is unitive just as it is procreative. (Granted, the people who told us that looked like they had just swallowed a bit too much Kool-Aid, if you know what I mean, but still...)

There's no point in talking all the fun out of life just because some fundies say you have to. Life is not meant to be miserable. That's why there's such a backlash against Puritanism; no one really wants to live like that. Well, maybe some do, and that's fine, but don't drag us into your personal heaven or hell or whatever. Save yourselves and your loved ones.

I have always wanted a reason to troll and viciously attack fundies who think the pill is the be all, end all point of evil.

This kind of fucking horseshit proves just how fucking uneducated your typical fundamentalist truly is. They can't understand fucking shit, they blow out their ass then can't understand why the rest of the fucking world doesn't think like they do.

The fucking birth control pill isn't just to avoid conception (chew on that, fundies! Yeah, birth control actually prevents the girl from releasing an egg during ovulation, and hence, she retains that egg, because as the rest of us know, a girl is only born with a certain number of eggs). The same goddamn pill also has in it, estrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen), which is a hormone necessary for women's health.

You little blighters also didn't know that it isn't JUST for women who want to 'avoid the consequences'. I take the pill because I have no fucking choice. I have a fucking medical condition known as 'Kallman's Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallman%27s_Syndrome)'. I no ability to produce estrogen, so, I need medical help. I take this one because it's a better regulator of the menstrual cycle (bet you didn't know that either - figures, since you would rather preach than learn!), than the regular hormone supplement given to post-menopausal women.

Do me a fucking favour and stop blowing out your fucking asses because it's just making you look stupider!

Do some research before you preach!

Do some settling down before you post.

So you oppose Abortion as you feel women should be punished?

And you opposition to abortion has nothing at all to do with protecting the rights of the child/foetus?

No, I don't feel that I'm asking that women should be punished. You're making stuff up now. I'm simply saying that people prefer to play and have sex (actions) and then if she becomes pregnant by aborting is the same as Not taking Responsibility for your actions. I don't feel that one should play and not take the responsibility of the next step. People should and need to grow up.

and.....Yes, my opposition does in fact have to do with protecting the child/fetus. I don't think people should just throw them away because they don't have an understanding voice to be heard.

Side Note: I am also against the sole decision of the women to decide on an abortion. If you have to consenting adults having sex. The woman becomes pregnant. The father is a respectable and responsible adult who doesn't want his child to be killed or aborted but the mother doesn't want the responsibility of caring for the child. What gives her the right to abort w/o consulting with the father? She should have the baby and if she doesn't want the responsibility of the child then she should still have the child and after the birth sign over the full parental rights to the father. The father should most definately have in a say whether the unborn child be allowed to live of die NOT solely the mother's decision.

Do some settling down before you post.
I would except I would rather unleash my full flurry.

These types of people are truly offensive people who deserve no such respect. They don't do their homework, and refuse to learn what birth control actually does, and that it is used even in loving, proper Christian marriages, then they don't deserve the censored version of my anger.

double post

. If the couple does not want children, they should abstain from sex, it is not that hard.


This tells me all i need to know about you. Anyone else see a Freaudian admission here as well?


A line that would make a great sig...."Fundamentalists: they think sex is bad because sex with them always is."

I would except I would rather unleash my full flurry.

These types of people are truly offensive people who deserve no such respect. They don't do their homework, and refuse to learn what birth control actually does, and that it is used even in loving, proper Christian marriages, then they don't deserve the censored version of my anger.

But you could have said everything you said without dropping the word "fuck" so often, and got your point across without seeming like an idiot.

No, I don't feel that I'm asking that women should be punished. You're making stuff up now. I'm simply saying that people prefer to play and have sex (actions) and then if she becomes pregnant by aborting is the same as Not taking Responsibility for your actions. I don't feel that one should play and not take the responsibility of the next step. People should and need to grow up.
This sounds like you want the woman to suffer a little so she learns from her mistakes... kinda like punishment.

and.....Yes, my opposition does in fact have to do with protecting the child/fetus. I don't think people should just throw them away because they don't have an understanding voice to be heard.

So why are children fathered by rapists less human?

You feel human life is worth protecting, but you don't think babies/foetuses from rape victims are worth protecting - hence they must not be human right?

If your arguement has ANY basis in protecting the life of the unborn then you should want the children of rape victims protected as equally as children from consenting adults.

The 'except for rape' clause is the most idiotic of all anti-choice arguements as it shows the 'punishment' aspect of anti-choice in its full glory. It states that if a woman consents to sex she has to be forced to face responsibility/punishment, but if she was raped she is innocent/not a whore and so the punishment is not needed.

Also - exactly how do you intend to make sure the woman was actually raped? What is to stop any girl who wants/needs an abortion from simply saying she was raped and getting an abortion?

This tells me all i need to know about you. Anyone else see a Freaudian admission here as well?


A line that would make a great sig...."Fundamentalists: they think sex is bad because sex with them always is."
Also, the ___________ (wife/husband) is really ugly and you can't believe you married them.

But you could have said everything you said without dropping the word "fuck" so often, and got your point across without seeming like an idiot.

QFT.

The father should most definately have in a say whether the unborn child be allowed to live of die NOT solely the mother's decision.

Agreed! And if the mother doesn't want to carry the labor, they can always impregnate the father and have the 10-pound ham come out of one of HIS orifices instead! :rolleyes:

Only, they can't. And the body belongs to the female. But it WOULD be fair as a mutual decision if they could.

Mind, I'm male.

But you could have said everything you said without dropping the word "fuck" so often, and got your point across without seeming like an idiot.
I could, but, I don't care.

When I read stuff like that, it makes me remember this moron who would preach while I tried to eat lunch in high school and would continually tell me how I was going to hell because I swore, and this was for saying 'hell' and 'damn'.

I could, but, I don't care.

When I read stuff like that, it makes me remember this moron who would preach while I tried to eat lunch in high school and would continually tell me how I was going to hell because I swore, and this was for saying 'hell' and 'damn'.

You're not going to hell. But swearing that much makes the post difficult and unsavory to read. I'm sure it had perfectly valid points. I don't know because I stopped reading it. I know you don't care, but I'm saying it anyway.

I could, but, I don't care.

When I read stuff like that, it makes me remember this moron who would preach while I tried to eat lunch in high school and would continually tell me how I was going to hell because I swore, and this was for saying 'hell' and 'damn'.

Wait... He said you were going to Hell for saying "hell"... But he said you were going to Hell, thus he said the word hell... :D

Wait... He said you were going to Hell for saying "hell"... But he said you were going to Hell, thus he said the word hell... :D
I know. That's why I would laugh at him. The stupid thing was, if I avoided him, I couldn't eat lunch with my friends because he was friends with a friend of my best friend... -__-;; blah. So, not much fun trying to eat lunch while hearing how you'll go to hell for this or that...

I know. That's why I would laugh at him. The stupid thing was, if I avoided him, I couldn't eat lunch with my friends because he was friends with a friend of my best friend... -__-;; blah. So, not much fun trying to eat lunch while hearing how you'll go to hell for this or that...

I found yelling a letter continually until the person stops works.

Like "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I found yelling a letter continually until the person stops works.

Like "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Kind of hard to do with a mouth full of sandwich.

Though, I found a good cure for a person like that is college.

Those types of people seem to go underground at college...

You're not going to hell. But swearing that much makes the post difficult and unsavory to read. I'm sure it had perfectly valid points. I don't know because I stopped reading it. I know you don't care, but I'm saying it anyway.
Of course I'm not going to hell, as I don't believe in hell.

I know I had valid points.

I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.

And the child is also punished by being brought up by parents who don't want him/her, and society is punished when these children grow up and are uneducated and unemployable. They cause crime and anti-social behaviour and cost the taxpayer in terms of welfare benefits. If the rest of society is also punished than that is not justice.

Of course I'm not going to hell, as I don't believe in hell.

I know I had valid points.

Sure, that feed a troll thread. Just let it drop off the first page, and all will be good.

No, I don't feel that I'm asking that women should be punished. You're making stuff up now. I'm simply saying that people prefer to play and have sex (actions) and then if she becomes pregnant by aborting is the same as Not taking Responsibility for your actions. I don't feel that one should play and not take the responsibility of the next step. People should and need to grow up.

and.....Yes, my opposition does in fact have to do with protecting the child/fetus. I don't think people should just throw them away because they don't have an understanding voice to be heard.

Side Note: I am also against the sole decision of the women to decide on an abortion. If you have to consenting adults having sex. The woman becomes pregnant. The father is a respectable and responsible adult who doesn't want his child to be killed or aborted but the mother doesn't want the responsibility of caring for the child. What gives her the right to abort w/o consulting with the father? She should have the baby and if she doesn't want the responsibility of the child then she should still have the child and after the birth sign over the full parental rights to the father. The father should most definately have in a say whether the unborn child be allowed to live of die NOT solely the mother's decision.

Its her body her controll

The man has full control over his body in the reproductive process and the woman should have hers.

The man has no right over her body

And the child is also punished by being brought up by parents who don't want him/her, and society is punished when these children grow up and are uneducated and unemployable. They cause crime and anti-social behaviour and cost the taxpayer in terms of welfare benefits. If the rest of society is also punished than that is not justice.

Oh, but it's not about justice, it's about a desire to see people suffer.

Its her body her controll

The man has full control over his body in the reproductive process and the woman should have hers.

The man has no right over her body

You are reasoning from the assumption that a womans body is not the property of her husband. Many Biblical literalists will consider that silly.

You are reasoning from the assumption that a womans body is not the property of her husband. Many nutcases will consider that silly.

Fixed. ;)

Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the idea that women should be above their husbands, should rule, even contradictory to the word of God. God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him. The proper action to take, in response to the rise of STDs, would be to embrace God's authority and stop having promiscuous or homosexual sex. However, at the hands of the Feminist movement, we have instead tried to find a way out of it. Birth control is alike to the getaway car a bank robber might employ to escape the consequences of robbing a bank, and abortion is like the lockpicks that allow that criminal to escape from jail. If you are a woman considering having an abortion, consider that God gave you that child, as a punishment for your promiscuity and sexual carelessness. Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.

I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.

Who is this the troll-puppet of?

Who is this the troll-puppet of?

More importantly, why do otherwise intelligent people keep feeding it?

More importantly, why do otherwise intelligent people keep feeding it?

Object lesson?

I'm always interested in outing troll-persona versions of people.

More importantly, why do otherwise intelligent people keep feeding it?

Why not ?

Agreed! And if the mother doesn't want to carry the labor, they can always impregnate the father and have the 10-pound ham come out of one of HIS orifices instead! :rolleyes:

Only, they can't. And the body belongs to the female. But it WOULD be fair as a mutual decision if they could.

Mind, I'm male.

So let me get this straight. I'm going to use you as an example since you are male. That you and either your girlfriend or wife get it on. She gets pregnant. You're really excited about being a dad. You have a good paying job, a nice home, and can care for the child in a descent, loving way.

She decides she doesn't want the unborn child and goes get the abortion without discussing it with you first, you're okay with this idea. :rolleyes:

That is very wrong to take away fatherhood and sounds more like the woman playing God's role. By taking away the rights of the father.

Why not ?

I said "otherwise intelligent people." You were not referenced, so run along.

More importantly, why do otherwise intelligent people keep feeding it?Boredom. Perhaps some like the taste of troll-flesh every now and then ;)

So let me get this straight. I'm going to use you as an example since you are male. That you and either your girlfriend or wife get it on. She gets pregnant. You're really excited about being a dad. You have a good paying job, a nice home, and can care for the child in a descent, loving way.

She decides she doesn't want the unborn child and goes get the abortion without discussing it with you first, you're okay with this idea. :rolleyes:

That is very wrong to take away fatherhood and sounds more like the woman playing God's role. By taking away the rights of the father.Because that's the most common situation that abortions will occur in :)

Birth Control and Abortion are the result of feminism, Of the idea that women should be above their husbands, should rule, even contradictory to the word of God. God made STDs to punish promiscuity and homosexuality because these things are abhorrent to him. The proper action to take, in response to the rise of STDs, would be to embrace God's authority and stop having promiscuous or homosexual sex. However, at the hands of the Feminist movement, we have instead tried to find a way out of it. Birth control is alike to the getaway car a bank robber might employ to escape the consequences of robbing a bank, and abortion is like the lockpicks that allow that criminal to escape from jail. If you are a woman considering having an abortion, consider that God gave you that child, as a punishment for your promiscuity and sexual carelessness. Who are you to tell God that you will not accept his judgement?

Truly, Abortion and birth control arise from a troubling new ideal in America, the ideal that it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are not caught.

I say that there need to be consequences. If you want to have promiscuous or homosexual sex, then Aids and unwanted children should be the reward you reap for it.


Fuck that. Vote regressive!

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=regressive

I said "otherwise intelligent people." You were not referenced, so run along.

I love you too dear.
Pity that's the best argument you have though.