NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1957831,00.html

I really can't believe this.

"The result has been to create an imbalance in public perception that is manifesting itself in passionate responses from elements of the community not traditionally given to publicly protesting. What we are seeing in effect is a rise in the politicisation of middle England and the emergence of a significant challenge for capital city policing."

The police wants to act as a state tool that disables people from protesting freely and being able to show they care about how the country is governed. And all in the name of protecting the public from being offended
The police want powers to proscribe protest chants and slogans on placards, banners and headbands. Human rights experts say that such powers could also be used against protesters such as animal rights and anti-globalisation activists. The civil rights group Liberty said the powers would make the police "censors in chief"

Add to this that the Police want powers to equip CCTV with microphones and use them as eavesdroppping equipment as well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6186348.stm

I mean what else is there left to do in the progress towards a police state? We have detention without trial and will probably soon have widespread public eavesdropping, and a limited ban on political dissent. I really hope that these police requests get rejected.

It reminds me of a quote from 'Murder in Samarkand' by Craig Murray.
President Islam Karimov of Uzbekistan:
'I am delighted to see you, Mr Ambassador, I have always had the greatest admiration for the wisdom of the United Kingdom. You have had many generations to develop that wisdom.'
Subtext: Don't expect any rapid changes towards democracy here.
'One great example of that wisdom of your government, on which I must congratulate you, is that you have just made a derrogation from the European Convention on Human Rights to enable terrorist suspects to be detained in the United Kingdom without trial.'
Subtext: Don't you lecture me on human rights, people who live in glass houses . . .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1957831,00.html

I really can't believe this.

"The result has been to create an imbalance in public perception that is manifesting itself in passionate responses from elements of the community not traditionally given to publicly protesting. What we are seeing in effect is a rise in the politicisation of middle England and the emergence of a significant challenge for capital city policing."

The police wants to act as a state tool that disables people from protesting freely and being able to show they care about how the country is governed. And all in the name of protecting the public from being offended


Add to this that the Police want powers to equip CCTV with microphones and use them as eavesdroppping equipment as well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6186348.stm

I mean what else is there left to do in the progress towards a police state? We have detention without trial and will probably soon have widespread public eavesdropping, and a limited ban on political dissent. I really hope that these police requests get rejected.

It reminds me of a quote from 'Murder in Samarkand' by Craig Murray.

I really can't believe there are police chiefs advocating these policies, considering what the current government is like they will be accepted with no problem.

*obligatory refernces to 1984*

I get distracted for a few days, come back and what do I see? Two threads on intelligent design and this, demonstrating that our police want even more powers to control the populace at large. Is it stupidity month or something? ><

I'd just about calmed down from the cunts wanting to fingerprint motorists (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6170070.stm).

ha, the world is going to hell in a poorly weaved handbasket! lets enjoy the ride.

I get distracted for a few days, come back and what do I see? Two threads on intelligent design and this, demonstrating that our police want even more powers to control the populace at large. Is it stupidity month or something? ><

I'd just about calmed down from the cunts wanting to fingerprint motorists (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6170070.stm).
That fingerprinting idea is such a crock of shite. 'The fingerprints won't be retained' my arse. Not to mention that the chances of actually being able to get a match are slightly better than 1 in 10...

I'd just refuse and tell them I'd go to the police station to prove who I am.

And now the police want even more power. Doesn't surprise me.

Public protests are legitimate ways of displaying frustration or demanding change. If this change is accepted and enforced, it infringes on our right to free speech. Instead of this, why don't the police just go back to the days of Peterloo? The proles are protesting - oh, just send in the drunken cavalry. :rolleyes:

I can believe it. I do not like one little bit, but I sure can believe it.

That fingerprinting idea is such a crock of shite. 'The fingerprints won't be retained' my arse. Not to mention that the chances of actually being able to get a match are slightly better than 1 in 10...

I'd just refuse and tell them I'd go to the police station to prove who I am.

And now the police want even more power. Doesn't surprise me.

Public protests are legitimate ways of displaying frustration or demanding change. If this change is accepted and enforced, it infringes on our right to free speech. Instead of this, why don't the police just go back to the days of Peterloo? The proles are protesting - oh, just send in the drunken cavalry. :rolleyes:

I had a beautiful mental pricture of a horde of drunken nitwits (example homer simpson or such), sitting half-naked on a horse bashing protestors with a bat and a bowling ball, I'd pay to see that :D

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1957831,00.html

I really can't believe this.

"The result has been to create an imbalance in public perception that is manifesting itself in passionate responses from elements of the community not traditionally given to publicly protesting. What we are seeing in effect is a rise in the politicisation of middle England and the emergence of a significant challenge for capital city policing."

The police wants to act as a state tool that disables people from protesting freely and being able to show they care about how the country is governed. And all in the name of protecting the public from being offended


Add to this that the Police want powers to equip CCTV with microphones and use them as eavesdroppping equipment as well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6186348.stm

I mean what else is there left to do in the progress towards a police state? We have detention without trial and will probably soon have widespread public eavesdropping, and a limited ban on political dissent. I really hope that these police requests get rejected.

It reminds me of a quote from 'Murder in Samarkand' by Craig Murray.

[I'm gonna sound so paranoid now but I don't care]

So that's why they didn't arrest the so-called muslim "protestors" who were demanding death - so they could use what happened as leverage to take away more of our rights.

The following link is from something I was gonna use in relation to a political party I'm planning to create (but under a different name now) http://geocities.com/pjcroad/important

They (the government and the police who must pretty much do as the government tells them) want to take away our right to protest, even our right to freedom (eg. with I.D. cards).

So PLEASE, citizens of the UK, vote for any party (that does not want to introduce I.D. cards) except Labour at the next election. PLEASE. Unless you want to end up in an oppressive dictatorship.

That fingerprinting idea is such a crock of shite. 'The fingerprints won't be retained' my arse. Not to mention that the chances of actually being able to get a match are slightly better than 1 in 10...

I'd just refuse and tell them I'd go to the police station to prove who I am.

And now the police want even more power. Doesn't surprise me.

Currently I think it's illegal for them to hold the prints. But who watches the watchers? Even if they were found out would the database be erased? Bollocks would it.

Why only motorists, though? It would make more sense to put fingerprint scanners on supermarket checkouts. Everyone eats, hardly anyone gets pulled over (we have speed cameras to keep our roads safe, after all!). They're clearly missing a trick... Or maybe they're just gearing up gradually.

The police always want more power. Shame they haven't demonstrated any ability to use the power they already have for anything useful. Like, maybe, catching burglars and things.

Public protests are legitimate ways of displaying frustration or demanding change. If this change is accepted and enforced, it infringes on our right to free speech. Instead of this, why don't the police just go back to the days of Peterloo? The proles are protesting - oh, just send in the drunken cavalry. :rolleyes:

I think it would be more inkeeping with current police philosophy if everyone at the protest is issued with a £100 Fixed Penalty Notice without trial or ability to protest (ha!) it. Funds raised by this would, of course, be kept by the police.

The police always want more power. Shame they haven't demonstrated any ability to use the power they already have for anything useful. Like, maybe, catching burglars and things.
But why would they want to catch burglars when they have more important things to crack down on? Like freedom of speech, for example.


I think it would be more inkeeping with current police philosophy if everyone at the protest is issued with a £100 Fixed Penalty Notice without trial or ability to protest (ha!) it. Funds raised by this would, of course, be kept by the police.
I thought that was going to be a cunning joke in the Peterloo vein. You disappointed me. :( :p

I thought that was going to be a cunning joke in the Peterloo vein. You disappointed me. :( :p

Sorry, at this time on a Monday I can manage mildly-vitriolic sarcasm, but cunning historical jokes are thoroughly out of reach. I was playing Dwarf Fortress until 130...

Well, it seems that UK law enforcement have finally joined their counterparts in the US by solving all the important crimes that werre available, and so now they can start lecturing people on not disturbing the practiced ennui of their fellows.
Next, I suggest outlawing "Lollygagging in an Excessively Lascivious Manner", or "Careless Discarding of One's Head Adornment While Within Public View of the Opposite Sex."

Tsk tsk tsk.

Terror built into the system I see. What a pity. Do those fools really think such powers would supress the free voice of the ordinary people? Strange how they're allowed to say what they wish. Ironic how they're the ones causing the most trouble with such crude police tactics. Ha ha ha ha. No matter...

The one thing I have always noticed throughout history. When there is oppression, a revolution is sure to follow. So the more they tighten their pathetic grip the more people will slip through their fingers. I have no time for conformist thugs that use tactics like they suggest! The ID card idea is bad enough. I'll be watching what they decide very carefully...

The government and its agencies primary job is to serve the people! It's not the other way round! We are their employers and they are nothing without us!!

Next, I suggest outlawing "Lollygagging in an Excessively Lascivious Manner", or "Careless Discarding of One's Head Adornment While Within Public View of the Opposite Sex."
English Law Enforcement's crowning achievement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hetherington).

[I'm gonna sound so paranoid now but I don't care]

So that's why they didn't arrest the so-called muslim "protestors" who were demanding death - so they could use what happened as leverage to take away more of our rights. This is from something I was gonna use in relation to a political party I'm planning to create (but under a different name now) http://geocities.com/pjcroad/important

They (the government and the police who must pretty much do as the government tells them) want to take away our right to protest, even our right to freedom (eg. with I.D. cards).

So PLEASE, citizens of the UK, vote for any party (that does not want to introduce I.D. cards) except Labour at the next election. PLEASE. Unless you want to end up in an oppressive dictatorship.
Being paranoid doesnt mean they are not out to get you.
I dont know if you are right in regards to this particular circumstance, but to induce a problem then suggest the 'solution' is one of the oldest tricks in the book.
It's certainly becoming increasingly apparent that the current generation is one that is not up to the task of safe-guarding its freedoms.
What ever came of the incident where a house was raided, a resident shot, the street evacuated and the place pulled apart nearly brick by brick while the public was assured that intelligence made it a certainty that something was there and the failure to find nothing meant it was well hidden rather than non-existent? Nothing, weeks passed, the public moved onto to some other issue of interest. Meanwhile no evidence that this intelligence along with the intelligence that got an innocent Brazillian chap shot dead (he never stood a chance) was of a robust nature (in fact all evidence is to the contrary) nor that a single thing has been done about that.

You'd almost think we were being conditioned to accept the ultimate authority of our public servants regardless how outrageous their conduct...

...You'd almost think we were being conditioned to accept the ultimate authority of our public servants regardless how outrageous their conduct...

That's the really scary part. Look up "mobile phone radiation frequencies" and have a look at what it can do (to humans) at a certain frequency. I'd explain but then I really would look nuts.

It was obvious before they were even elected that new labour was just fascism through the back door. No one seems to have the wit to pay attention though.

*Puts on Guy Fawkes mask*

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

*Blows up Parliment*

Enforcing apathy? Eh, who cares?

"The result has been to create an imbalance in public perception that is manifesting itself in passionate responses from elements of the community not traditionally given to publicly protesting. What we are seeing in effect is a rise in the politicisation of middle England and the emergence of a significant challenge for capital city policing."
Man, that could almost be from one of the NS daily issues.

*shivers*

English Law Enforcement's crowning achievement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hetherington). Awesome.

It was obvious before they were even elected that new labour was just fascism through the back door. No one seems to have the wit to pay attention though.

Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Ingsoc ;)