NationStates Jolt Archive

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

You give Christians a bad name.

*yawn*

I wish you were real. I'd love to understand that kind of person.

Wow, the Democrat Party sure does sound evil.

Good thing America voted in the Democratic Party instead...

Also, if it's not too much trouble, do you mind providing any reasoning as to why fundamentalist Christianity should be the ruling philosophy of our nation?

I wish you were real. I'd love to understand that kind of person.

and 2 seconds later you'll be running out of the room screaming.

Great, it's MTAE with a religious fixation.

Great, it's MTAE with a religious fixation.

I told you we shouldn't use him to recruit new people to NSG! :p

You're cute. Very cute. Who's puppet are you? Eh? I would say MTAE's, but MTAE is apparently not religious. I would say UNA, but he would twist the facts to his view. I would say Jesussaves, but he was a Drunk commies satire puppet, and quite frankly was better at what you do than you are.

So, I'm rather confuddled.

I told you we shouldn't use him to recruit new people to NSG! :p
But LG wanted too much mud to be the poster child! ;)

Mods, please don't delete this guy. :(

I have a feeling he's going to be lots of fun! :D

Wow, the Democrat Party sure does sound evil.

Good thing America voted in the Democratic Party instead...

Also, if it's not too much trouble, do you mind providing any reasoning as to why fundamentalist Christianity should be the ruling philosophy of our nation?

Simple, it is the word of God. That is all anyone should need. Of course, I would not be able to convince one so corrupted by modern sinfulness as you are.
If the Word of God Himself is not enough for you, then nothing will be. You have chosen to side with Satan, and I cannot help that.

But LG wanted too much mud to be the poster child! ;)

Yea, but at least we would've had someone fun if LG was the recruiter.

Awwww. I think it's cute.

*pets the troll*

"Here little fella, here little fella"

*lulls it into false sense of security and feeds it to badger kept in coat pocket*

Simple, it is the word of God. That is all anyone should need. Of course, I would not be able to convince one so corrupted by modern sinfulness as you are.
If the Word of God Himself is not enough for you, then nothing will be. You have chosen to side with Satan, and I cannot help that.

I just have to know what you think of Catholics, please tell me. (I'm sick and twisted I know)

Simple, it is the word of God. That is all anyone should need. Of course, I would not be able to convince one so corrupted by modern sinfulness as you are.
If the Word of God Himself is not enough for you, then nothing will be. You have chosen to side with Satan, and I cannot help that.

*Checks the Bible*

Nope nothing about Democrats or Republicans there.

Leah would have soo much fun with this guy, I just GOT to get her to come to this forum.

I just have to know what you think of Catholics, please tell me. (I'm sick and twisted I know)

Bah, check your ID thread, and you'll get the jist. Typical fundamentalist bull about the Church.

Bah, check your ID thread, and you'll get the jist. Typical fundamentalist bull about the Church.

Yea, but every once in awhile I like to remind myself why I avoid fundies.

Dial T for troll!

If you are not trolling, explain to me why the Democrats are evil without using the bible as basis!

I just have to know what you think of Catholics, please tell me. (I'm sick and twisted I know)

I just mentioned in another thread that Catholics have lost the true way, that they have compromised their faith. I pity them, for though they think they are faithful and heavenbound, every catholic is destined for the fires of hell.

Can I keep him? Pretty please? :p

If you want really bad fundamentalism go to Stormfront and post in opposing view section in the hopes of making them see the real world. Man I was disgusted by a lot the responses I got when posted there about saying that though everyone shall be different that we are all equal and that Hitler, though fairly smart, was one of the most drugged insane people every to breath.

Stop being a hypocrite. Its not just homosexuals that are deemed sinful in the eyes of god. All sin is equal.

I just mentioned in another thread that Catholics have lost the true way, that they have compromised their faith. I pity them, for though they think they are faithful and heavenbound, every catholic is destined for the fires of hell.

So, tell me, what do you think of the whole "Judge not, lest ye be judge" concept that Jesus Christ preach.

I just mentioned in another thread that Catholics have lost the true way, that they have compromised their faith. I pity them, for though they think they are faithful and heavenbound, every catholic is destined for the fires of hell.

Someone needs to remember Mathew 7:1...

If you want really bad fundamentalism go to Stormfront and post in opposing view section in the hopes of making them see the real world. Man I was disgusted by a lot the responses I got when posted there about saying that though everyone shall be different that we are all equal and that Hitler, though fairly smart, was one of the most drugged insane people every to breath.

I got banned from Stormfront for posting pics of gay black men engaging in anal sex. :D

Why? To traumatize the Nazist little pricks, of course. :p

Can I keep him? Pretty please? :p


No. For it is dead. I ate it as a favour to sanity. Mwahahahahaha?

*shrugs and sighs*

I haven't slept and it was the best I could come up with.

Simple, it is the word of God. That is all anyone should need. Of course, I would not be able to convince one so corrupted by modern sinfulness as you are.
If the Word of God Himself is not enough for you, then nothing will be. You have chosen to side with Satan, and I cannot help that.

Time to feed the Troll

Which god and which word

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
- Robert Heinlein

wow. he was just pwned

:D

:eek:

Whittier?

Are you back?

I got banned from Stormfront for posting pics of gay black men engaging in anal sex. :D

Why? To traumatize the Nazist little pricks, of course. :pOkay, I have fun picking fights with them, but posting those pictures you might actually might be exposing porn to minors and disgusting a lot of people, I myself find people randomly putting up porn a little creepy as though I do not care if you like porn but for the love of God do not show me it because I hate porn.

Congradulations MeansToAnEnd, you have found the 'register' link, well done my dear troll.

Congradulations MeansToAnEnd, you have found the 'register' link, well done my dear troll.

Huh? Was MTAE deated? :confused:

I just mentioned in another thread that Catholics have lost the true way, that they have compromised their faith. I pity them, for though they think they are faithful and heavenbound, every catholic is destined for the fires of hell.According to the Bible there is Jesus appointed Peter the bishop of Rome and he himself would be considered Catholic, but he himself was of all Christian groups as he was the father of all the Church. Also, might I remind you that all the leaders of the Protestant reformation believed in salvation through faith and even then quite a few believed that people were pre-ordained for going to heaven so in the end a person could do all they could and not go to heave.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

Who is this Democrat party? I've never heard of them.

Of course, when you live in the twisted little world of a fundamentalist nutcase, you might start seeing things.

Buddy, let's be honest: I'm an ignostic, libertarian, who couldn't care less about the word of God. However, you are the ultimate betrayal of everything your God preached. I am a better Christian than you and I couldn't care less about Jesus if he offered me three trillion dollars and an origional pressing of In My Eyes.

I want you to go to your bible and remember the following phrases:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."

"Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar and unto God what is God's."

I love your religion, it preaches love, tolerance, charity, and kindness. If only fundamentalists realized that, the true image that Christ embodied would be practiced.

Instead you worship hate, intollerance, and judgement. I'll be waiting in hell for you with open arms.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/SystemKarela/threadsucsk.jpg

Instead you worship hate, intollerance, and judgement. I'll be waiting in hell for you with open arms.
And I will be watching you from heaven, pitying you as you wait for nothing.

Repeat after me,” Do not seek out evil amongst thy neighbors, but seek it within thyself.”

Who is this Democrat party? I've never heard of them.

Of course, when you live in the twisted little world of a fundamentalist nutcase, you might start seeing things.

Buddy, let's be honest: I'm an ignostic, libertarian, who couldn't care less about the word of God. However, you are the ultimate betrayal of everything your God preached. I am a better Christian than you and I couldn't care less about Jesus if he offered me three trillion dollars and an origional pressing of In My Eyes.

I want you to go to your bible and remember the following phrases:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."

"Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar and unto God what is God's."

I love your religion, it preaches love, tolerance, charity, and kindness. If only fundamentalists realized that, the true image that Christ embodied would be practiced.

Instead you worship hate, intollerance, and judgement. I'll be waiting in hell for you with open arms.

though i dont agree with Redemption's appraisal of the change in office, let me be frank...

perhaps you should actually READ THE BIBLE if youre going to quote from it. okay?

thats almost like reading into OJ's new and cancelled book "If I Did It," finding the phrase "I did it." somewhere in the text, then citing it as evidence in a case against him. if youre going to quote from the bible, READ IT IN THE CONTEXT AROUND IT.

And I will be watching you from heaven, pitying you as you wait for nothing.

Huh. I guess the whole "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" thing has gone through one ear and out the other with you, hasn't it? You shouldn't be so quick to place judgement on others, lest you risk damnation yourself, under your own holy book.

And let's not forget what Jesus said about hypocrites, shall we?

The Redemption Army, what do you think of Matthew 7:1?

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Or how about the whole passage?

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

Hitler was a christian. And he hated homosexuals too... probably wouldn't have been too fond of muslims either, I'm sure you wouldn't have had too many problems with him. (quick response to the opening post)

Huh. I guess the whole "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" thing has gone through one ear and out the other with you, hasn't it? You shouldn't be so quick to place judgement on others, lest you risk damnation yourself, under your own holy book.

And let's not forget what Jesus said about hypocrites, shall we?

Oh, I won't be the one judging him. God will be. I just happen to already know how God will judge him, because God has told me, in the pages of The Bible.

though i dont agree with Redemption's appraisal of the change in office, let me be frank...

perhaps you should actually READ THE BIBLE if youre going to quote from it. okay?

thats almost like reading into OJ's new and cancelled book "If I Did It," finding the phrase "I did it." somewhere in the text, then citing it as evidence in a case against him. if youre going to quote from the bible, READ IT IN THE CONTEXT AROUND IT.

And if, as an ignostic, I have read the bible, as a purely philosophical study? It's fairly difficult to accuse me of not understanding the bible, as I come from a fairly devout Episcopal family.

I chose hell (if it actually exists), because I felt I could not be moral unless I made each descision free of external moral imperitives, but I didn't choose it out of ignorance.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

I am a Christian and a Republican, and it shames me to see someone writing such slander on a public forum.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, the whole belief, the underlying theme of the entire crazy creation that is America, was to embrace differences between a common people. This isn't it, folks. sure, i dont like the democratic format of change. sure, i dont like the democrats' plan for leaving iraq. sure, i dont like the tax raises and public spending and military budget cuts that come from a democratic regime. i dont like the IDEA (note: idea, not people) of homosexuality.

but i do not believe that the democratic party is the equivolent of the nazi or leninist-communist regime, and for any republican or any person of any faith to say such a thing is wrong.

im sorry and sad that the democrats lost. but you give christians and republicans a bad name and reputation.

Oh, I won't be the one judging him. God will be. I just happen to already know how God will judge him, because God has told me, in the pages of The Bible.

You do realize that you can't take the entire bible litterly right?

*adapts song from Borat*

Throw the troll down the well

So my country can be free

You can laugh at this monkey

Then we have a big party

All together now:

Throw the troll down the well etc etc etc

Oh, I won't be the one judging him. God will be. I just happen to already know how God will judge him, because God has told me, in the pages of The Bible.

Sir, we call that disengenuousity. You, by deciding what God has decided for me (exactly what the people Jesus was scolding for being quick to cast stones were guilty), actually blaspheme against God.

Sir, we call that disengenuousity. You, by deciding what God has decided for me (exactly what the people Jesus was scolding for being quick to cast stones were guilty), actually blaspheme against God.

That is very true. The Redemption Army, you do not speak for God. You are neither God or the son Jesus Christ, I rebuke you, and get behind me Satan!

Sir, we call that disengenuousity.

Disingenuity. (Sorry.)

And if, as an ignostic, I have read the bible, as a purely philosophical study? It's fairly difficult to accuse me of not understanding the bible, as I come from a fairly devout Episcopal family.

I chose hell (if it actually exists), because I felt I could not be moral unless I made each descision free of external moral imperitives, but I didn't choose it out of ignorance.

then why do you choose to quote from a single passage? at least give someone an annotated version of whatever the passage meant in context.

Oh, I won't be the one judging him. God will be. I just happen to already know how God will judge him, because God has told me, in the pages of The Bible.

You have judged him already by proclaiming he is going to hell. There is no two ways about it, you are acting as judge, and by doing such you are proclaiming yourself as God himself. You can try to explain it away by saying nonsense such as "I was only going by what the bible said", but the SECOND you even think with any certainty that another is going to hell, you are proclaiming to have knowledge that only God possesses.

So judge not your brother, for you to shall be judged. Your claims that other shall go to hell while you ascend to heaven show that you believe you are the judge, not God. No man can ever know for certain his fate in eternity, and to proclaim otherwise is to speak as though you are God himself.

then why do you choose to quote from a single passage? at least give someone an annotated version of whatever the passage meant in context.

That would take time and effort. I assume, at the very least, that TRA has read his bible well enough that I do not have to tell him what it says.

The Redemption Army is not God, and he is not the son Jesus Christ, he does not know how God will Judge. I find it horrible that he would even think such thoughts.

I chose hell

Finally he speaks truth.
Every sinner chooses hell. The light of God is there, shining, waiting for them to grasp for it and ask forgiveness for their sinful natures, but they turn their heads away and say "No, I will do as I please." They pave their own road into hell.

Finally he speaks truth.
Every sinner chooses hell. The light of God is there, shining, waiting for them to grasp for it and ask forgiveness for their sinful natures, but they turn their heads away and say "No, I will do as I please." They pave their own road into hell.

I'm an atheist Jew.....

*falls straight to hell laughing manically on the way*

Finally he speaks truth.
Every sinner chooses hell. The light of God is there, shining, waiting for them to grasp for it and ask forgiveness for their sinful natures, but they turn their heads away and say "No, I will do as I please." They pave their own road into hell.

and he nows takes what the poster said out of context.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.
Wow. You're better than my sister Trinityness. You're not her puppet, are you? :eek:

Did I mention that both extremes of the Party are the voices of Satan? I'm maltheist; I consider your God to be your Satan. :nod:

They pave their own road into hell.

The Myth of Sisyphus (http://stripe.colorado.edu/~morristo/sisyphus.html)

Finally he speaks truth.
Every sinner chooses hell. The light of God is there, shining, waiting for them to grasp for it and ask forgiveness for their sinful natures, but they turn their heads away and say "No, I will do as I please." They pave their own road into hell.

However, does not the Bible tell us that the mere belief that God sent his son to us to save us from our sins wipes clean our Earthly sins and helps us into heaven?

or do we have to be mormons of our faith and say that every little sin we make will send us into the umpteenth level of hell?!

More forum graffiti from troll scum trash :rolleyes:

Too many teardrops for one heart to be cryin'
Too many teardrops for one heart
To carry on
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry, now
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry
Ninety-six tears c'mon and lemme hear you cry, now
Ninety-six tears (whoo!) I wanna hear you cry
Night and day, yeah, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears cry cry cry
C'mon baby, let me hear you cry now, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears! Yeah! C'mon now
Uh-ninety-six tears!

The Redemption Army...
Have you ever worn polyester?
Have you ever eaten lobster or shrimp?
Have you ever eaten meat not killed humanely?


Then dont you even START trying to say theres a problem with homosexuality, you committer of abomination!

The Myth of Sisyphus (http://stripe.colorado.edu/~morristo/sisyphus.html)

That's too good/interesting to waste on this thing.

Camus was a genius (a bit pat but true).

That's too good/interesting to waste on this thing.

In this case, over-use does not dilute the message.

Finally he speaks truth.
Every sinner chooses hell. The light of God is there, shining, waiting for them to grasp for it and ask forgiveness for their sinful natures, but they turn their heads away and say "No, I will do as I please." They pave their own road into hell.

I will not lie. Why do you? You who have blasphemed agaisnt God in a way far worse than mine. You who claim that you are a follower of God, and yet defile his word with the human dirt of hate and ignorance?

Besides which, you're taking me out of context.

Either way:

Mat. 7:1

"Pass no Judgement, and you will not be judged. For as you judge others, so you will yourselves be judged, and whatever measure you deal to the others shall be dealt to you" (New English Bible)

So, since you have chosen Hell for me, I suppose you are ready to join me there? When you get there, I promise I won't say, "I told you so."

Finally he speaks truth.
Every sinner chooses hell. The light of God is there, shining, waiting for them to grasp for it and ask forgiveness for their sinful natures, but they turn their heads away and say "No, I will do as I please." They pave their own road into hell.

:rolleyes:

Did I mention that I tend to wear black, read Harry Potter and 1984, and I don't condemn abortion or homosexuality?

:p Who's going to hell faster?

In this case, over-use does not dilute the message.

Yeah but Mr Redemption won't understand it.

Yeah but Mr Redemption won't understand it.

Better to try and fail than not try at all... not that I believe that when trying requires actual effort, but in this case, linking to it was just a few seconds wasted.

I will not lie. Why do you? You who have blasphemed agaisnt God in a way far worse than mine. You who claim that you are a follower of God, and yet defile his word with the human dirt of hate and ignorance?

Besides which, you're taking me out of context.

Either way:

Mat. 7:1

"Pass no Judgement, and you will not be judged. For as you judge others, so you will yourselves be judged, and whatever measure you deal to the others shall be dealt to you" (New English Bible)

So, since you have chosen Hell for me, I suppose you are ready to join me there? When you get there, I promise I won't say, "I told you so."

i agree wholeheartedly.

theres a place in the bible that tells us we should not look at the sawdust in anothers eye, but at the plank in our own (and its 12:09 in the morning and i just got home from work, so im not going to bother trying to look for it).

so, the question at hand IS:

Why, The Redemption Army, do you believe that Democrats are the equivolents of Nazis or Marxist-Leninists?

Better to try and fail than not try at all... not that I believe that when trying requires actual effort, but in this case, linking to it was just a few seconds wasted.

True. Hats off to you sir for having the patience even to take it seriously for that tiny second it took to post the link: I tend to either get angry or laugh or both...

As a Buddhist, I know that either I've got it wrong or you've got it wrong. The difference between me and you is that, if I'm wrong and I somehow realize it (unlikely, but wholly possible), I can CHANGE. I observe the world, and I make logical descisions based on it.

You observe a book that you barely understand. It doesnt change, therefore you never change. If you are wrong you will continue to be wrong for all time. You refuse to re-evaluate, to observe, to learn, to think for yourself.

It is in this purposeful ignorance that you have your complete, utter downfall, both as a human and a christian. You preach hate, destruction, and fear. You are rude, uncivil, and lower EVERYBODY's impression of christianity as a WHOLE by a notch.

As a Buddhist, I know that either I've got it wrong or you've got it wrong. The difference between me and you is that, if I'm wrong and I somehow realize it (unlikely, but wholly possible), I can CHANGE. I observe the world, and I make logical descisions based on it.

You observe a book that you barely understand. It doesnt change, therefore you never change. If you are wrong you will continue to be wrong for all time. You refuse to re-evaluate, to observe, to learn, to think for yourself.


Truth does not become falsehood. The fact that your beliefs change is a clear sign that they are wrong, and no matter how you "tweak" them, they will continue to be wrong. True faith is like a rock, never moving, holding the world together. Those who seek to change the faith, to allow women to preach, or to marry homosexuals, go against the very concept of Christian faith.

You know, TRA, if you're going to start two threads you really should pay attention to both.

Personally I don't see you as being cut out to stick around here. After getting CONSTANTLY pwned for a few weeks you'll just drift away like so much flotsam, and no one will remember you. What's it like to be a flash in the pan?

Truth does not become falsehood. The fact that your beliefs change is a clear sign that they are wrong, and no matter how you "tweak" them, they will continue to be wrong. True faith is like a rock, never moving, holding the world together. Those who seek to change the faith, to allow women to preach, or to marry homosexuals, go against the very concept of Christian faith.

The concept of Christian faith? You mean "love thy neighbor regardless"?

The fact that one's beliefs change is actually, in most cases, a sign of maturity, that they are willing to think freely.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e267/Flaw3dLegacy/troll2.jpg

Great, it's MTAE with a religious fixation.
No, at least he can come up a a (somewhat) compelling and/or intelligent arguement. If anyone is a troll, it's this guy.

I just mentioned in another thread that Catholics have lost the true way, that they have compromised their faith. I pity them, for though they think they are faithful and heavenbound, every catholic is destined for the fires of hell.

*cranks up "Highway to Hell"*

Truth does not become falsehood. The fact that your beliefs change is a clear sign that they are wrong, and no matter how you "tweak" them, they will continue to be wrong. True faith is like a rock, never moving, holding the world together. Those who seek to change the faith, to allow women to preach, or to marry homosexuals, go against the very concept of Christian faith.

Because women are the spawn of Satan, the menstration thing proves it. :rolleyes:

Hey Satan, paid my dues... playin' in a rockin' band!
http://www.geocities.com/dmfalmeida/angus.jpg
I have that video on my MySpace profile page...

Oh, I won't be the one judging him. God will be. I just happen to already know how God will judge him, because God has told me, in the pages of The Bible.

And you get a perverse sense of pleasure out of prattling on about it. Even if he has committed sin, what business is that of yours? Remove the mote from your own eye first.

*cranks up "Highway to Hell"*

*cranks up Stairway to Heaven*

...

*notes that he pressed the Rewind button, playing the satanic inlay of the lyrics*

*pleads to The Redemption Army that he does not get cast into the firey brimstone of hell with the Democrat Nazi Fascist Communist Dan-Rather loving peoples...*

Highway to Heaven, Stairway to Hell, whatever.

I'm on the Cruise Ship to Purgatory.

Because women are the spawn of Satan, the menstration thing proves it. :rolleyes:

God only loves you if you have a penis. :rolleyes:

God only loves you if you have a penis. :rolleyes:
And fair skin, don't forget that! And money, too.

And fair skin, don't forget that! And money, too.

Oh right! He also loves you if you vote Republican. :rolleyes:

Oh right! He also loves you if you vote Republican. :rolleyes:

And if you believe Democrats are Nazis... he gives 77 dark haired virgins for that one.

wait... isnt that Islam?

And if you believe Democrats are Nazis... he gives 77 dark haired virgins for that one.

wait... isnt that Islam?
I forgot. Judeochristislamic religion is weird.

You give Christians a bad name.

Quoted for truth.

Quoted for truth.
Quoted for truth.

I forgot. Judeochristislamic religion is weird.
Yeah. :(

Oh wait! I know!

God only loves if you have a penis, white skin, a KJV Bible, a godd submitting wife, money, and 3 kids in youth groups at your local church.

The only thing that applies to me is he white skin part. :(

Quoted for truth.Quoted for truth.
Quoted just for the fun of it.

And I will be watching you from heaven, pitying you as you wait for nothing.

Time to feed the troll , AGAIN

By your statments you must belive yourself to be a wise and holy man (coughcough, achoo,bullshit,achoo)

Since you seem to have such a good relatitionship with god why don't you have him give me a sign anything will do. even a popup on my browser. Since I have popups blocked it would be a proof that he is there. Just have him say >> ______ you are wrong (and use my name)

Yeah. :(

Oh wait! I know!

God only loves if you have a penis, white skin, a KJV Bible, a godd submitting wife, money, and 3 kids in youth groups at your local church.

The only thing that applies to me is he white skin part. :(

yarr! to the seventeenth level of hell with you!

seriously, if your only chance of redemption was to adopt the beliefs of TRA, would you convert?

Very good idea.

yarr! to the seventeenth level of hell with you!

seriously, if your only chance of redemption was to adopt the beliefs of TRA, would you convert?

Would I gain TRA's mad copy pasting skills?

yarr! to the seventeenth level of hell with you! I'm the daughter of Satan. What do I care? ;) (in all seriousness, I'm just kidding, I don't really believe in Satan as a definite being)

seriously, if your only chance of redemption was to adopt the beliefs of TRA, would you convert? Hell no.

seriously, if your only chance of redemption was to adopt the beliefs of TRA, would you convert?
No.

Would I gain TRA's mad copy pasting skills?

Okay, I'm unconfused. When I see TRA, I think The Red Arrow. But to answer the question, no.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough and blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

Six years ago the christian community was stupid enough and blind enough to help elect our present president. I am christian, a prayer warrior and a democrat. Why you ask? For one reason Mr. Bush supports NAFTA, he has even gone as far as to say that NAFTA is good for America! And has even talked about starting the same thing in central america which he would call CAFTA. It is my belief that sending americans industry and economic giants to china could be the undoing of our nation if we allow it. Imagine communist china being the most powerful nation on the face of the Earth. That is a truely scary thought! Who could stop them from world domination if they wished to pursue it? On another level NAFTA will allow greedy businessmen to make more money by placing their companies in china where environmental laws are more lax then here in the U.S. and people will work for less money. So now they will be able to legally pollute the air we breath, promote the greenhouse effect and be rewarded for it by higher profits. It's funny that you mentioned the Nazi's because there are things that Mr. Bush has done in the name of national security that could be compared to some of the things that Hitler did in Germany during his early years as their new leader. There has been times that I thought Bush and the republican party would like to aquire total control over the U.S. He has acted as if he didn't have to answer to the American people. How does any of this make Mr. Bush the man that you seem to think he is ... ie ... someone that is lead by God. How does any of this make the Republican Party the only christian alternative. The bible says you will know them from their fruits. I'm not impressed with the above mentioned fruits of the republican party.

This is a link to a thread called " Super China " ... Check It out.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508134&highlight=Kormanthor

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government...*snip*

Would you like a little cheese with that whine?

The nation elected a Democratic majority because your precious Republican party was too corrupt and stupid to get anything of substance accomplished in relation to a wide range of issues this nation faces.

Sorry if your pet causes just got put down and incinerated, but you can blame Bush for that one, since he used people like you to win votes and then thoroughly ignored your agenda for a solid six years.

Good show.

Six years ago the christian community was stupid enough and blind enough to help elect our present president. I am christian, a prayer warrior and a democrat. Why you ask? For one reason Mr. Bush supports NAFTA, he has even gone as far as to say that NAFTA is good for America! And has even talked about starting the same thing in central america which he would call CAFTA. It is my belief that sending americans industry and economic giants to china could be the undoing of our nation if we allow it. Imagine communist china being the most powerful nation on the face of the Earth. That is a truely scary thought! Who could stop them from world domination if they wished to pursue it? On another level NAFTA will allow greedy businessmen to make more money by placing their companies in china where environmental laws are more lax then here in the U.S. and people will work for less money. So now they will be able to legally pollute the air we breath, promote the greenhouse effect and be rewarded for it by higher profits. It's funny that you mentioned the Nazi's because there are things that Mr. Bush has done in the name of national security that could be compared to some of the things that Hitler did in Germany during his early years as their new leader. There has been times that I thought Bush and the republican party would like to aquire total control over the U.S. He has acted as if he didn't have to answer to the American people. How does any of this make Mr. Bush the man that you seem to think he is ... ie ... someone that is lead by God. How does any of this make the Republican Party the only christian alternative. The bible says you will know them from their fruits. I'm not impressed with the above mentioned fruits of the republican party.

This is a link to a thread called " Super China " ... Check It out.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508134&highlight=Kormanthor

i just want to make a quick rebuttal to your antagonistic remarks about placing businesses in china...

japanese auto makers have placed manufacturies in, where else? mexico! (where was my 1997 nissan altima made? mexico). so, in order to stay competitive, we must outsource our businesses in order to use the same lax trade, labor, and environmental laws the asian car makers use.

im not saying its a good practice, but outsourcing when other nations do it so much is a necessary evil.

A lot of the democrats who were elected opposed gun control and abortion on demand. So they are not all secular sodomites as The Redemption Army assumes.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

this was friggin funny. like a inkvisitor or a bibel-black tyrant funny.

i personally don't care, because i don't live in that country.

hmmm

Troll Rating 6/10

Good at hot button topics, but too blunt and replaces passion with dull dogma. Points are not really intelligently made and the work does not show a real effort to respond to points, just repetition of irrevelent preaching.

Wow, the Democrat Party sure does sound evil.

Good thing America voted in the Democratic Party instead...

Also, if it's not too much trouble, do you mind providing any reasoning as to why fundamentalist Christianity should be the ruling philosophy of our nation?
It sets excellent moral guidelines. Take for example sex out of marriage, in a christian world AIDS cases and STD cases would see decreases if sex outside of marriage were to be banned. Granted this wouldnt come close to eliminating either problem either...

The italian region I live in (Lombardia) is ruled by a right-wing alliance: Berlusconi's Forza Italia, the post-fascist Alleanza Nazionale, the xenophobic-separatist Lega Nord and the right-wing christian-democratic party UDC). Its leader and current regional president, Roberto Formigoni, is also the leader of the catholic fundamentalist movement "Comunione e Liberazione" - widely known for political position similar, although less extreme, to those of RTA.:rolleyes:

So, fellow democrats and left-wingers, given that the US citizens were able to elect a parliament who's likely to stop the more fundamentalist decisions of the Bush cabinet, can you give me some advice about fighting fundies?

Thanks in advance, from old EU.:)

I gotta ask, whose troll-puppet are you? You sound just like Jesussaves, only I'd bet that DCD wouldn't make that mistake all over again.

Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.

See, I like this bit. :)
Makes me wonder what's so wrong with Christianity that people will turn to homosexuality and atheism at the first opportunity. ;)

i just want to make a quick rebuttal to your antagonistic remarks about placing businesses in china...

japanese auto makers have placed manufacturies in, where else? mexico! (where was my 1997 nissan altima made? mexico). so, in order to stay competitive, we must outsource our businesses in order to use the same lax trade, labor, and environmental laws the asian car makers use.

im not saying its a good practice, but outsourcing when other nations do it so much is a necessary evil.


BULL!

Would you like a little cheese with that whine?

The nation elected a Democratic majority because your precious Republican party was too corrupt and stupid to get anything of substance accomplished in relation to a wide range of issues this nation faces.

Sorry if your pet causes just got put down and incinerated, but you can blame Bush for that one, since he used people like you to win votes and then thoroughly ignored your agenda for a solid six years.

Good show.

I am Christian and did not vote for Bush in either election. Oh and the cheese with whine thing is getting very over used.

God only loves if you have a penis, white skin, a KJV Bible, a godd submitting wife, money, and 3 kids in youth groups at your local church.

What's wrong with King James? It's not even all that popular amongst practicing Christians IIRC.

Besides which it's the prettiest version. Everything else is so plain. :p

That's right. America and the world voted for humanist, liberal, truly free parties. Bush is going down the drainer for his delusions.

And your god is utterly impotent. Where's your God now? Could it be that He does not exist the way you think and He is actually a good figure that wants people to be happy regardless of religion?

Your God could not even harm me. The real God, the one that's beyond idiotic notions such as religion, HE/SHE/THEY could. Your god is impotent.

Where is your god now?

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. Dean is God? (he's the one that said they wouldn't impeach him...)
The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. Yes. There are plans to demolish every Church, Synagogue, and Mosque that can now finally be realized.
They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. Please, its a Jihad.
And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists. No! Mandatory homosexuality!
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.Hm. When Republicans get elected, it's God's will, but when Democrats get elected, it's the people blinded by Satan. How can you tell? Why would God manipulate people's votes when Christianity is all about free will and making your own choices?

i just want to make a quick rebuttal to your antagonistic remarks about placing businesses in china...

japanese auto makers have placed manufacturies in, where else? mexico! (where was my 1997 nissan altima made? mexico). so, in order to stay competitive, we must outsource our businesses in order to use the same lax trade, labor, and environmental laws the asian car makers use.

im not saying its a good practice, but outsourcing when other nations do it so much is a necessary evil.Hehehe. You know that American cars can't compete with Asian fuel milage standards?

It sets excellent moral guidelines. Take for example sex out of marriage, in a christian world AIDS cases and STD cases would see decreases if sex outside of marriage were to be banned. Granted this wouldnt come close to eliminating either problem either...Not really. If it were enforced, perhaps, but if parents are unable to prevent their children from getting it on, how would the state manage?

It sets excellent moral guidelines. Take for example sex out of marriage, in a christian world AIDS cases and STD cases would see decreases if sex outside of marriage were to be banned. Granted this wouldnt come close to eliminating either problem either...

In a world in which fundies didn't prevent the spread of information on safe sex, the AIDS problem would be MUCH less serious than in a fundie world ruled by the insane.

Finally he speaks truth.
Every sinner chooses hell. The light of God is there, shining, waiting for them to grasp for it and ask forgiveness for their sinful natures, but they turn their heads away and say "No, I will do as I please." They pave their own road into hell.

You are pathetic with your infantile mesionic complex. Is there anyone without sin? If you are truly as devout as you say you should know the answer. Christ himself was the only one without sin, simply because he was not a true mortal. In his death he destroyed sin/death so that we may live forever in the kingdom of heaven. We are all sinners and must recognize ourselves as such. God's forgiveness comes with that realization, not with your blessing jackass.

That's right. America and the world voted for humanist, liberal, truly free parties. Bush is going down the drainer for his delusions.

And your god is utterly impotent. Where's your God now? Could it be that He does not exist the way you think and He is actually a good figure that wants people to be happy regardless of religion?

Your God could not even harm me. The real God, the one that's beyond idiotic notions such as religion, HE/SHE/THEY could. Your god is impotent.

Where is your god now?

My God does exist and is still in control of the universe just as he has been and always will be. The fact that things aren't going our way is a test of faith among christians and possibly a warning to the unbelievers of this world.
In my opinion Bush is now paying for past transgressions and God will replace him with someone better suited for the job. While God is good, he requires that people believe in him if they wish to be saved from what is coming soon. Are you ready?

I just mentioned in another thread that Catholics have lost the true way, that they have compromised their faith. I pity them, for though they think they are faithful and heavenbound, every catholic is destined for the fires of hell.

First off, fuck you. Second off, if heaven is full of funamentalist jerks, I'd rather be in hell. Any God that demands that we follow the letter of a badly translated Bible doesn't deserve to be called God.

Your post constitutes a personal attack against every Catholic on this board, including myself, a Catholic in training. We believe in a God who actually gives a damn about life and guiding people in the right direction. Those who know that they have done wrong and are willign to make it right are accepted. None of this hard-line "Well, you said Happy Holidays and live in a blue state, and you don't consider George W. Bush the second coming of Christ, and you're not 100% in favor of turning America into a totalitarian theocracy, so you're going straight to hell" bullshit. We're as much for the separation of church and state as anyone...well, anyone except a fundie who thinks that the church and state are inseparable, which can be disproven by about the last few hundred years of human civilization.

You, sir, are an asshole. And I reiterate, if the only people who get into heaven are fundamentalist loudmouths who lick Bush's boots and worship asswipes like Falwell and Phelps, then I will gladly go to hell.

P.S. Darwin was right.

While God is good, he requires that people believe in him if they wish to be saved from what is coming soon. Are you ready?

God can't be good and a psychopathic egomaniac at the same time. Deal.

First off, fuck you. Second off, if heaven is full of funamentalist jerks, I'd rather be in hell. Any God that demands that we follow the letter of a badly translated Bible doesn't deserve to be called God.

Your post constitutes a personal attack against every Catholic on this board, including myself, a Catholic in training. We believe in a God who actually gives a damn about life and guiding people in the right direction. Those who know that they have done wrong and are willign to make it right are accepted. None of this hard-line "Well, you said Happy Holidays and live in a blue state, and you don't consider George W. Bush the second coming of Christ, and you're not 100% in favor of turning America into a totalitarian theocracy, so you're going straight to hell" bullshit. We're as much for the separation of church and state as anyone...well, anyone except a fundie who thinks that the church and state are inseparable, which can be disproven by about the last few hundred years of human civilization.

You, sir, are an asshole. And I reiterate, if the only people who get into heaven are fundamentalist loudmouths who lick Bush's boots and worship asswipes like Falwell and Phelps, then I will gladly go to hell.

P.S. Darwin was right.

Boy are you going to have a lot to confess this week! :eek: While I don't agree with fundamentalist
either I think better wording could have been used.

Boy are you going to have a lot to confess this week! :eek:

Relax; the Church accepts Darwin's theory, to an extent, and I'm sure that most religious people hate Phelps and Falwell. Although maybe calling him an "asshole" isn't necessary...ah, the hell with it. Just go to confession, confess it, say a couple of Hail Marys, learn something, and get on with it. At this rate, I should learn enough to get a Ph.D. by the time I turn 30.

TRA's just mad 'cuz he's a massive closet case. He's probably smoking crack rocks with a gay prostitute right now. I just take solice in the fact that if there is a god, it's not the fundamentalist islamo-christ-aism "big guy with a white beard surfing on a cloud" kind of god.

While I was tracing my lineage, I discovered I was related to none other than King James Stuart, who is the monarch after which the KJV bible is named. As I am prone to tangent, this led me on a path of following the evolution of the bible. This led me to two conclusions:

A) The books of the bible was originally written in greek, the lingua franca of the time. There were a variety of gospels, and it was not until the reign of Emperor Constantine that the books known as "The Bible" were brought together in one tome. Over the years it was translated into latin, german (among other languages) and finally english. And it continues to be translated to this day.

B) The belief in the bible begins with the acceptance of the idea that God wrote the words through men. He dictated, they wrote.

Thus paradox. Had God written His words in stone with a light from heaven, no translation would have been required, as they would be the words of God and therefore would be understandable to all men.

However, it has been shown that the words of the bible have been in fact mistranslated, for example Jesus has been referred to as a carpenter, however the correct translation is hand-worker. Furthermore the accepted tome known as "The Bible" excluded certain gospels that did not go along with what the power structure wished, notably any reference to women being leaders in the church. Other gospels, the dead sea scrolls for instance, show that women were an integral part of the early church, as does Jesus' relationship to Mary Magdalene.

The bible, like all books of philosophy, contains many good lessons. However, these must be separated from the politics of control.

As an aside, King James may have been a closet homosexual.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

Im sorry, but, why are you such a moron?

It [the Republican party] sets excellent moral guidelines.If you accept corruption, hypocrisy, and war-mongering as excellent.

Your post constitutes a personal attack against every Catholic on this board, including myself, a Catholic in training. We believe in a God who actually gives a damn about life and guiding people in the right direction. Those who know that they have done wrong and are willign to make it right are accepted. None of this hard-line "Well, you said Happy Holidays and live in a blue state, and you don't consider George W. Bush the second coming of Christ, and you're not 100% in favor of turning America into a totalitarian theocracy, so you're going straight to hell" bullshit.Ah the fervor of a new believer. I appreciate how you just demonstrated that Catholic dogma is just as close-minded as the fundamentalist Protestants. Different words, same message: believe as we do or else. Yeah verily protect us from teh evil of state-sanctioned homosexuals.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

Oh no! it's Return of the Moonies

Relax; the Church accepts Darwin's theory, to an extent, and I'm sure that most religious people hate Phelps and Falwell. Although maybe calling him an "asshole" isn't necessary...ah, the hell with it. Just go to confession, confess it, say a couple of Hail Marys, learn something, and get on with it. At this rate, I should learn enough to get a Ph.D. by the time I turn 30.

All I was saying was to not allow others to drag you down. We all have our issues that we must deal with. Thats what being human is all about.

Ah the fervor of a new believer. I appreciate how you just demonstrated that Catholic dogma is just as close-minded as the fundamentalist Protestants. Different words, same message: believe as we do or else. Yeah verily protect us from teh evil of state-sanctioned homosexuals.

I didn't see that as being close-minded. He was just saying that he doesn't believe in TRA's kind of God, and stated why. Seemed fine to me.

And now that I think about it, I hope that everything in TRA's first post actually does come true. It doesn't seem too bad. Maybe tearing down monuments of faith goes a bit far, but the rest seems alright.

I just mentioned in another thread that Catholics have lost the true way, that they have compromised their faith. I pity them, for though they think they are faithful and heavenbound, every catholic is destined for the fires of hell.

who are you to determine who goes to hell or not? that is a right reserved for God! you have trangressed! burn him!

Ah the fervor of a new believer. I appreciate how you just demonstrated that Catholic dogma is just as close-minded as the fundamentalist Protestants. Different words, same message: believe as we do or else. Yeah verily protect us from teh evil of state-sanctioned homosexuals.

Actually, I am not even that fervent, and my point was this: I don't want to believe in a God who punishes people for stupid shit. I don't agree with all the Church's stances (for one thing, homosexuals are OK with me, contraception isn't so bad, and the Pope can be every bit as much full of shit when he speaks as if he is infallible) but I believe that it's a bad idea to throw fire and brimstone at people who have plenty of alternatives.

Who are you more likely to listen to - the person who says, "God loves you and wants you to take the right course, and you can learn what the right course is very easily and make some friends while you do?" or "God hates sinners and liberals, and if you don't do exactly what the Bible says, you're going to hell, sinner!" Most people would tune the last person out. Hell, some people would tune both out, but fewer would tune out the first person who speaks of friendship, God's love, and learning how to do good. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. TRA's post is the equivalent of snorting vinegar. If I wanted that sensation, I would soak 22 egg rolls in that super-spicy hot mustard sauce and eat them in succession without a drop of water to wash them down.

I didn't see that as being close-minded. He was just saying that he doesn't believe in TRA's kind of God, and stated why. Seemed fine to me.The closed-minded comment was in reference to Catholic dogma, not Ice Hockey Players. His attempt at differentiating Gods is nullified by his admittance that Catholicism also uses a "believe as we do in order to be accepted" stricture. Which would be fine with me, except the Catholic church is notorious for political activism that works to impose their dogma upon those that don't believe by incorporating it into state law. Ironically enough the Catholic Church's official stance pretty much mirrors that of the OP.

As an aside, King James may have been a closet homosexual."May have been"? Not according to people I've talked to; he was.

"May have been"? Not according to people I've talked to; he was.

was it like common then?

Actually, I am not even that ferventReally? Your attack on TRA (which btw violated the rules of this forum, while his on your faith was merely ugly) certainly rang with fervor.
I don't want to believe in a God who punishes people for stupid shit. I don't agree with all the Church's stances (for one thing, homosexuals are OK with me, contraception isn't so bad, and the Pope can be every bit as much full of shit when he speaks as if he is infallible)I suspect that God, if he exists, doesn't give a damn about your wants as to what he does or doesn't do. I also suspect the Church would consider you to be a "bad" Catholic, since you don't adhere to core tenets.I believe that it's a bad idea to throw fire and brimstone at people who have plenty of alternatives.I don't understand what you're saying here. What alternatives? Which people?
Who are you more likely to listen to - the person who says, "God loves you and wants you to take the right course, and you can learn what the right course is very easily and make some friends while you do?" or "God hates sinners and liberals, and if you don't do exactly what the Bible says, you're going to hell, sinner!" Most people would tune the last person out. Hell, some people would tune both out, but fewer would tune out the first person who speaks of friendship, God's love, and learning how to do good. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. TRA's post is the equivalent of snorting vinegar.So it's only a matter of technique? Both groups are attempting to catch flies, so to speak. Which is truly worse, the group that is honest about their hate or the group that soft-peddles it, but doesn't repudiate it? Both groups subscribe to a "my way or the highway" philosophy (granted, the one allows for a longer time-frame). That you don't personally accept all of the positions of your faith doesn't release you from the damage those positions do to others, as long as you support that faith.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

You sound like a 13th century priest......please move into the 21st century.

Why do I have the feeling that TRA is the type of person who distributes Jack Chick tracts in public bathrooms... you know, the kind that say "Accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, or God will send you to burn in hell for all eternity, you useless scum!"

was it like common then?Who knows? King Richard Lionheart supposedly had a relationship with Philipp II of France.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

John? John Ashcroft, is that you?

You little rascal.

Truth does not become falsehood. The fact that your beliefs change is a clear sign that they are wrong, and no matter how you "tweak" them, they will continue to be wrong. True faith is like a rock, never moving, holding the world together. Those who seek to change the faith, to allow women to preach, or to marry homosexuals, go against the very concept of Christian faith.

Perhaps it would be good to realize that the first bishop of Rome was a woman named Prisca (Paul calls her his sunergetos = colleague in his letter to the Romans)
Perhaps it is also good to remember that up until the 7th century the (Eastern)Orthodox churches knew a ceremony to join two men in matrimony.

The concept of Christian Faith in Early Christianity was rather different from the uhm 'changed' version the Redemption Army preaches. I pitty him, for that much hate and dillusion is difficult to overcome.

Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.

I can't wait till that happens, honestly. The world will most likely be a better place, and overpopulation will stop being so much of a problem.

And maybe then I'll be able to find myself a nice, ex-Christian boyfriend, who knows.

Hmm, not bad. I especially liked this bit:

Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.

Amendment XXVIII

All citizens must convert to Homosexual Atheism or risk immediate execution.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

If our government ever uses Gods word to make a decision, that is the day we bring down the Government.

"May have been"? Not according to people I've talked to; he was.

That is why I chose may, for every source that says yes, another says no. Its all how you interpret the data.

If our government ever uses Gods word to make a decision, that is the day we bring down the Government.

A little late

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-04-01-bush-cover_x.htm

My God does exist and is still in control of the universe just as he has been and always will be. The fact that things aren't going our way is a test of faith among christians and possibly a warning to the unbelievers of this world.
In my opinion Bush is now paying for past transgressions and God will replace him with someone better suited for the job. While God is good, he requires that people believe in him if they wish to be saved from what is coming soon. Are you ready?

You must be a tormented little man. You believe that your benevolent god is punishing you as some form of divine test, that your omnipotent omniscient deity is fuckin with you for giggles.

I'm not sure what staggers me more about that sentiment, the ego of thinking god has the time or inclination to notice a relative insect like you, or the idea that you actually believe your benevolent all knowing god has to "test" you. Why would he test anything, he's GOD, he knows how it's gonna turn out right? So why is he pissing all over you?

Face it, your god thinks you're a prick. Either that or he doesn't exist and life just sucks.

My life sucks, but your god hates you. So I win.

I suspect that God, if he exists, doesn't give a damn about your wants as to what he does or doesn't do. I also suspect the Church would consider you to be a "bad" Catholic, since you don't adhere to core tenets.

Core tenets? "Homosexuality is teh ebil" is not a core tenet of Catholicism. "Contraception is teh ebil" is slightly closer, but still not remotely what most people would consider a "core tenet." Papal infallibility, while unique to Catholicism, is a largely political tool which has been invoked, if I recall correctly, a grand total of twice in the entire history of the Church. It is hardly necessary to believe in the correctness of something which one will almost certainly never be called upon to judge. "Core tenets" of Catholicism would be more like, say, "Love thy neighbor as thyself," and so on.

As for the Church considering him/her to be "bad," that very much depends on what you mean by "the Church." The power structure of the Catholic Church largely consists of highly conservative elderly men. Many of them might well think okaying homosexuality and birth control pills is less than acceptable behavior for a Catholic, but the vast majority of the Catholic population in the developed world are not so rigid in their beliefs as the average 85-year-old cardinal. Birth control is widely accepted among said Catholics. The overwhelming majority of the Catholics I know have positions on homosexuality no harsher than, "Well, I worry that it's not good, but I suppose it's really between them and God." Me, I think the Church is better epitomized by its entire flock than by the tiny subsection of them in positions of authority - kind of like how I think the United States is better epitomized by the American public than by G.W. Bush and his cabinet.


That you don't personally accept all of the positions of your faith doesn't release you from the damage those positions do to others, as long as you support that faith.

Honestly, that makes no sense. It's akin to saying "unless you immediately started screaming 'I HATE AMERICA' as soon as Bush was elected, it's your fault that Iraqi civilians are being killed, even if you publically opposed the Iraq war, petitioned against the Iraq war, wrote your congressman daily to ask him not to support the Iraq war, and tattooed 'We shouldn't be in Iraq' on your forehead." You're setting up some sort of moral obligation to throw out babies with bathwater, and that's just not sensible.

I just mentioned in another thread that Catholics have lost the true way, that they have compromised their faith. I pity them, for though they think they are faithful and heavenbound, every catholic is destined for the fires of hell.

Is this Mel Gibson?

Its a little extreme to say the Democrats listen to the voice of Satan (although I must say the Clinton family can fall into that category). While the election of a Democratic congress does deeply disturb me, I have faith that the politicians will put the needs of the country above selfish interest and make laws based on the will of the people (which, mind you Liberals, is still mainly conservative). In addition, many of the new democrats are moderates, so don't expect to see an immediate liberal shift in US policy. Oh, and if the democrats don't do well this term, expect them to get punished in 08, and (as long as the Republicans can win the presidency, something I think is very possible with McCain) this democratic wave might not be so bad after all.

As for your attack on Catholics, I need another thread to defend my sacred Catholic faith, who are you to be judging anyone? I will not take the time to write out the massive apologetics of the Church, but know this. Amen, it is the Protestants that have betrayed the Truth, they have tuned from the words of Christ. And if you wish me to elaborate, send me a TG.

As for your attack on Catholics, I need another thread to defend my sacred Catholic faith, who are you to be judging anyone? I will not take the time to write out the massive apologetics of the Church, but know this. Amen, it is the Protestants that have betrayed the Truth, they have tuned from the words of Christ. And if you wish me to elaborate, send me a TG.

I would be most happy to pick it apart in public ... create a thread. (though copying and pasting past works will not do ... )

Wow! A thought just occured to me!! Wouldn't a world without labels be really cool? No Protestants or Catholics; no Democrats or Republicans; no blacks or whites...just people! It's insane to think that someone from NSG might love me to death if we met in the 'real' world, only to hate me minutes later when, through conversation, they found out I was the Hallucinogenic Tonic who disagreed with them in a thread about Catholicism! Now all of a sudden I'm a devil worshipping bastard who must pay for my sins but, in truth, I'm the same guy you wanted to call your best friend just minutes before! Hatred...over what? A label? That's just crazy, man!!!

Perhaps it would be good to realize that the first bishop of Rome was a woman named Prisca (Paul calls her his sunergetos = colleague in his letter to the Romans)

Actually it is commonly believed that Linus was the first bishop in Rome after Peter. You perhaps are thinking of the Prisca from the Greet Prisca and Aquila, and the household of Onesiphorus, from 2 Timothy? But how you think Prisca is a bishop of Rome I do not know, it is believed that she was a tentmaker, sharing the same profession as Paul did, but also having a great Christian theology understanding along with her husband (we can assume that working with Paul they spoke much).

Perhaps it is also good to remember that up until the 7th century the (Eastern)Orthodox churches knew a ceremony to join two men in matrimony.

I know of no evidence of this. Neither can I find any. Do you have a source or reference for this claim?

The concept of Christian Faith in Early Christianity was rather different from the uhm 'changed' version the Redemption Army preaches. I pitty him, for that much hate and dillusion is difficult to overcome.

I’m not defending TRA, as I have my doubts whether he believes himself about half of his posts, but neither do I think your accusations show much in establishing convincing “truths” about what you say Christianity is either.

Wow! A thought just occured to me!! Wouldn't a world without labels be really cool? No Protestants or Catholics; no Democrats or Republicans; no blacks or whites...just people! It's insane to think that someone from NSG might love me to death if we met in the 'real' world, only to hate me minutes later when, through conversation, they found out I was the Hallucinogenic Tonic who disagreed with them in a thread about Catholicism! Now all of a sudden I'm a devil worshipping bastard who must pay for my sins but, in truth, I'm the same guy you wanted to call your best friend just minutes before! Hatred...over what? A label? That's just crazy, man!!!

Why they can be accurate how can you discribe something without assigning a "label" to it

Not that you should not put overly much value on the label but, if you refuse to label anything you wont be able to effectively discribe something

Example monitor
I labeled the device i am looking at

It is easy to discribe what i am looking at to an extent but it is not COMPLEATLY accurate as to what I am seeing but it gives you a hint

LCD is a sub category of monitor, that helps to further classify it (another label)


I dare you to try to discribe what a LCD monitor is to someone without using a single label

Its a little extreme to say the Democrats listen to the voice of Satan (although I must say the Clinton family can fall into that category). Har har.
While the election of a Democratic congress does deeply disturb me, I have faith that the politicians will put the needs of the country above selfish interest and make laws based on the will of the people (which, mind you Liberals, is still mainly conservative). 1. We already had politicians that put selfish interest above the needs of the country, and one of them sits in the white house. (For example: Clear Skies Initiative)
2. What are you basing the claim on that most people are conservative? The last Presidential elections?
In addition, many of the new democrats are moderates, so don't expect to see an immediate liberal shift in US policy. Oh, and if the democrats don't do well this term, expect them to get punished in 08, and (as long as the Republicans can win the presidency, something I think is very possible with McCain) this democratic wave might not be so bad after all.Indeed. Whoever comes after Bush will be far more likely to be in favor of the environment, be it McCain, another Republican, or a Democrat. Then we can start rolling back the damage done by the Bush administration.

Simple, it is the word of God. That is all anyone should need. Of course, I would not be able to convince one so corrupted by modern sinfulness as you are.
If the Word of God Himself is not enough for you, then nothing will be. You have chosen to side with Satan, and I cannot help that.

So you would rather side with a party that has lead to an invasion that was unnecessary and immoral? I do not think that any Christian would support a war where innocent people have died for no reason other than American Greed. Also isn't it a sin to cheat at an election like Bush did in 2000?

Hitler was a christian. And he hated homosexuals too... probably wouldn't have been too fond of muslims either, I'm sure you wouldn't have had too many problems with him. (quick response to the opening post)

Hitler and the Nazi party were also fundamentally anti-Christian.

Hitler and the Nazi party were also fundamentally anti-Christian.

So are fundies. What's your point?

Hitler and the Nazi party were also fundamentally anti-Christian.Not really fundamentally so.

Why they can be accurate how can you discribe something without assigning a "label" to it

Not that you should not put overly much value on the label

Example monitor
I labeled the device i am looking at

It is easy to discribe what i am looking at to an extent but it is not COMPLEATLY accurate as to what I am seeing but it gives you a hint

LCD is a sub category of monitor, that helps to further classify it (another label)


I dare you to try to discribe what a LCD monitor is to someone without using a single label

Point taken! The point I was trying to make is in blue!! True, you must label, if only for the sake of description! However, we definitely invest too much stock in labels. Disliking someone to the point of disassociating yourself from them due to conflicting views, usually caused by religious, political, racial, or some other stereotypical label, is just crazy!!! Now, if you just don't like my attitude because I am a pompous ass, by all means, walk up to me and make me eat my teeth! At least that action is justifiable because I am a pompous ass, not because I'm white or agnostic!!!

So are fundies. What's your point?

Just stating the fact that Hitler was anti-christian and despite this fact the Catholic Church gave into his demands and refused to interefere with German politics at the time. If, according to Nostradamus, Hitler is the second anti-Christ, why did the Vatican appease him?

I will be staying away from religion. It seems to have this inevitable way of making irrational people irreversibly retarded.

Just stating the fact that Hitler was anti-christian and despite this fact the Catholic Church gave into his demands and refused to interefere with German politics at the time. If, according to Nostradamus, Hitler is the second anti-Christ, why did the Vatican appease him?
Bribery.

Just stating the fact that Hitler was anti-christian and despite this fact the Catholic Church gave into his demands and refused to interefere with German politics at the time. If, according to Nostradamus, Hitler is the second anti-Christ, why did the Vatican appease him?Because the Vatican doesn't take Nostradamus that seriously?

Bribery.

:p

Really? Your attack on TRA (which btw violated the rules of this forum, while his on your faith was merely ugly) certainly rang with fervor.

Boo frickety hoo. People violate the forum's rules constantly. And I hardly consider "fuck you" to be a violation of the forum's rules. Maybe "I should come to your house and kill you" would be, but I have better things to do than go to people's houses and kill them.

I suspect that God, if he exists, doesn't give a damn about your wants as to what he does or doesn't do. I also suspect the Church would consider you to be a "bad" Catholic, since you don't adhere to core tenets.

First off, I am well aware God doesn't give a shit about me. I've long since made peace with that fact. Second off, the Church probably considers a lot of people "bad" Catholics for not toeing the line. Guess what? If they don't like it, they can ask me to pick another faith.

I don't understand what you're saying here. What alternatives? Which people?

I don't know if you've noticed, but America is a free country and we're allowed to pick whatever church we want to attend. Church, synagogue, whatever. If church officials want people to attend, it's a lot easier to grab people's attention with fire and brimstone, but it's not as likely to win friends. When there are so many alternatives, you can't just say "Do what I command or go to hell" anymore. Well, you can, but people who aren't sucked into that will think you're an idiot.

So it's only a matter of technique? Both groups are attempting to catch flies, so to speak. Which is truly worse, the group that is honest about their hate or the group that soft-peddles it, but doesn't repudiate it? Both groups subscribe to a "my way or the highway" philosophy (granted, the one allows for a longer time-frame). That you don't personally accept all of the positions of your faith doesn't release you from the damage those positions do to others, as long as you support that faith.

Last I checked, the Catholics have even said that non-Catholics can get into heaven. Granted, that hasn't always been the case, but if the Church has a serious issue facing it, it won't get very far by ignoring it. It's even looking at the use of condoms to prevent AIDS and kicking around the idea of lifting the celibacy requirements (which are in place for reasons I don't understand.)

Telling me that I am at fault for the Church's positions is like blaming me for the problems with Social Security because I vote Democratic. It's a ridiculous guilt by association, and frankly you're just trying to tell me I am wrong because I dared to refute the initial poster for telling me I was going to hell. Heaven forbid I don't just capitulate and say, "Oh no, I realized the errors of my ways and will forever be a fundamentalist. I will dedicate my life to putting Creationism in the classroom and making sure those Godless Democrats can't stop Bush from turning America into the glorious Christian kingdom it should be." Yeah, excuse the piss out of me for not taking kindly to it when someone tells me I'm going to hell and so are people I love.

Because the Vatican doesn't take Nostradamus that seriously?

Either way this whole thread is a bit messed up - I always thought that the Republicans were the corrupt party in America

Core tenets? "Homosexuality is teh ebil" is not a core tenet of Catholicism. "Contraception is teh ebil" is slightly closer, but still not remotely what most people would consider a "core tenet." Papal infallibility, while unique to Catholicism, is a largely political tool which has been invoked, if I recall correctly, a grand total of twice in the entire history of the Church. It is hardly necessary to believe in the correctness of something which one will almost certainly never be called upon to judge. "Core tenets" of Catholicism would be more like, say, "Love thy neighbor as thyself," and so on.You might want to check with your priest on that one.

In matters of faith and morals ... religious submission of will and mind must be shown in a special way to the authentic teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking "ex cathedra." That is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known chiefly either from the character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking.In addition to those doctrines which have been taught by the Magisterium of the Church in the extraordinary way of infallible definitions, the ordinary teaching of the Pope and the Bishops in union with him preserves many revealed truths which have never been solemnly defined, but which, nevertheless, are infallibly true and definable.It is sometimes reported that a large number of Catholics today do not adhere to the teaching of the Catholic Church on a number of questions, . . . It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the magisterium is totally compatible with being a "good Catholic," and poses no obstacle to the reception of the Sacraments. This is a grave error that challenges the teaching of the Bishops in the United States and elsewhere.

Do I need to find the encyclical that condemns homosexuality? Or abortion? Or birth control?

As for the Church considering him/her to be "bad," that very much depends on what you mean by "the Church." The power structure of the Catholic Church largely consists of highly conservative elderly men. Many of them might well think okaying homosexuality and birth control pills is less than acceptable behavior for a Catholic, but the vast majority of the Catholic population in the developed world are not so rigidThey're also by definition not Catholic. One cannot not believe in the dogma and not follow the authority of a body yet still consider themselves a "good" member of that body. Someone in such a belief state certainly shouldn't be attacking someone who has accused said organization of "falling from the true path". It's akin to saying "unless you immediately started screaming 'I HATE AMERICA' as soon as Bush was elected, it's your fault that Iraqi civilians are being killed, even if you publically opposed the Iraq war, petitioned against the Iraq war, wrote your congressman daily to ask him not to support the Iraq war, and tattooed 'We shouldn't be in Iraq' on your forehead." You're setting up some sort of moral obligation to throw out babies with bathwater, and that's just not sensible.Um, no. It's like joining an organization and then going around telling people that you really don't like the organization, you don't believe in what they do and really, you'd rather they were a different organization altogether. Odd that.

People violate the forum's rules constantly. And I hardly consider "fuck you" to be a violation of the forum's rules.Yep, it's what gets them deated and banned, especially those that flaunt that they don't follow the rules. Oh, and you didn't flame The Redemption Army until your third paragraph.
I don't know if you've noticed, but America is a free country and we're allowed to pick whatever church we want to attend. Church, synagogue, whatever. If church officials want people to attend, it's a lot easier to grab people's attention with fire and brimstone, but it's not as likely to win friends. When there are so many alternatives, you can't just say "Do what I command or go to hell" anymore. Well, you can, but people who aren't sucked into that will think you're an idiot.Ah, so that's what you were getting at..religion as a cafeteria experience. That's cool. As you say, America is a free country. Of course, it's not really--religious practices are frequently restricted to fall within the approval of the majority. But you're right, in most instances USians are allowed to choose which religion to adhere to... which makes your reaction to TRedempA a shade hypocritical.
Telling me that I am at fault for the Church's positions is like blaming me for the problems with Social Security because I vote Democratic.Were the Democrats (I am btw) solely responsible for the shape of SSA it would be a valid comparison. Instead, the comparison is irrelevant. See my response to Poliwanacraca on the same subject.Frankly you're just trying to tell me I am wrong because I dared to refute the initial poster for telling me I was going to hell. Heaven forbid I don't just capitulate..." Yeah, excuse the piss out of me for not taking kindly to it when someone tells me I'm going to hell and so are people I love.No, I'm telling you you're a hypocrite for attacking TRedempA for believing (funny, you can believe whatever you want, but others can't?) in a punitive, strict God when you yourself support a Church with beliefs that vary only by degree.

If you get that upset by someone you don't even know, in an anonymous media, telling you you're damned, you need to grow a thicker skin and harden your faith a tad.

Simple, it is the word of God. That is all anyone should need. Of course, I would not be able to convince one so corrupted by modern sinfulness as you are.
If the Word of God Himself is not enough for you, then nothing will be. You have chosen to side with Satan, and I cannot help that.

I've chosen to follow my own beliefs. I choose neither your invisible man nor your invisible man's adversary. I voted radical left wing, and will do so until the day I die.

This is the one time I'd have to agree with Wilgrove: You give Christians a bad name.

Yep, it's what gets them deated and banned, especially those that flaunt that they don't follow the rules. Oh, and you didn't flame The Redemption Army until your third paragraph.

Fine. Make it your personal crusade to turn me into a DoS person. I don't lick The Redemption Army's boots. You obviously do. If you want me banned and DoS'd for that, whatever.

Ah, so that's what you were getting at..religion as a cafeteria experience. That's cool. As you say, America is a free country. Of course, it's not really--religious practices are frequently restricted to fall within the approval of the majority. But you're right, in most instances USians are allowed to choose which religion to adhere to... which makes your reaction to TRedempA a shade hypocritical.

First off, I don't condemn other people for not following the tenets of my religion. I follow it because it works best for me. He condemned people for actions that went against his religion. That's not hypocritical; it's perfectly consistent. You're a hypocrite because you condemn me for my beliefs yet praise him for his. Second off, the word "USian" is a canard. Save a letter and just type "Yank" next time.

Were the Democrats (I am btw) solely responsible for the shape of SSA it would be a valid comparison. Instead, the comparison is irrelevant. See my response to Poliwanacraca on the same subject.

What you're telling me is that I can't call myself a Catholic because I support gay rights, contraception, and euthanasia rights. I believe in the idea that life is a good thing. I don't take it to that extreme. Considering that, if those Catholics who supported the same things I do (and as far as contraception goes, I am not alone) decided, "Fine, if you want to condemn us, we'll leave the Church" then the Church would lose a lot of followers. Considering all the problems the Church has, I don't think they want that.

No, I'm telling you you're a hypocrite for attacking TRedempA for believing (funny, you can believe whatever you want, but others can't?) in a punitive, strict God when you yourself support a Church with beliefs that vary only by degree.

Again, I believe that people can believe what they want. TRA believes I am wrong. I don't profess to know that he's wrong, just that I don't want to be in heaven if he's right. You're a hypocrite, and you're putting words in my mouth.

If you get that upset by someone you don't even know, in an anonymous media, telling you you're damned, you need to grow a thicker skin and harden your faith a tad.

And if someone telling that person is such a horrifying thought to you that you have to make it your personal mission to condemn them and tell them they are a hypocrite, a liar, and a terrible person who belongs in jail or whatever, then you need to grow a thicker skin yourself. Unless you want to make an enemy out of me. That's fine too.

God doesn't like petty, bad-tempered quarrel...SHUSH!!! :D

God doesn't like petty, bad-tempered quarrel...SHUSH!!! :D

Here, have some popcorn and a beer...if God gave a shit about me, he'd do the same, but I am sure He has something far greater than popcorn and beer.

Here, have some popcorn and a beer...if God gave a shit about me, he'd do the same, but I am sure He has something far greater than popcorn and beer.

*Inhales popcorn and beer...burps loudly*

I don't know, that was awfully good! Thanks!!!

Yep, it's what gets them deated and banned, especially those that flaunt that they don't follow the rules. Oh, and you didn't flame The Redemption Army until your third paragraph.
Ah, so that's what you were getting at..religion as a cafeteria experience. That's cool. As you say, America is a free country. Of course, it's not really--religious practices are frequently restricted to fall within the approval of the majority. But you're right, in most instances USians are allowed to choose which religion to adhere to... which makes your reaction to TRedempA a shade hypocritical.
Were the Democrats (I am btw) solely responsible for the shape of SSA it would be a valid comparison. Instead, the comparison is irrelevant. See my response to Poliwanacraca on the same subject.No, I'm telling you you're a hypocrite for attacking TRedempA for believing (funny, you can believe whatever you want, but others can't?) in a punitive, strict God when you yourself support a Church with beliefs that vary only by degree.

If you get that upset by someone you don't even know, in an anonymous media, telling you you're damned, you need to grow a thicker skin and harden your faith a tad.

of course religion is a media practiced only by the majority! thats why christian symbols were banned in new jersey (i laugh thinking of this one), including and not limited to the bible and the cross. there is no such thing as "faith by majority." why do you think there are atheists in high ranking parts of our government? were they simply put there because christians wanted to elect a pseudo-atheist to show how many faiths really are in america? NO! in a country where i can be buddhist, christian, catholic, mormon, a jehova's witness, islamic (though at a price, sadly), etc. etc., i cannot believe there are people that say we are a mono-theistic society, and to think that is unbelievable.

and any response to TRA's appraisal of democrats in america is not hypocritical. anyone who believes that democrats and catholics should be burned in hell and is also a christian deserves to be attacked, because that is radical, unchanging fundamentalism that is very uncharacteristic of the normally-accepting Christian faith.


and, no, Christians do not only vary by degree. as you can see by TRA, there are christians that believe Catholics and homosexuals should be punished. i, on the other hand, believe that, although the practice of homosexuality is wrong, these people should be accepted as a person and not as a "gay." Christianity isnt just a faith that varies by degree but by ideas and moral standards.

Actually it is commonly believed that Linus was the first bishop in Rome after Peter. You perhaps are thinking of the Prisca from the Greet Prisca and Aquila, and the household of Onesiphorus, from 2 Timothy? But how you think Prisca is a bishop of Rome I do not know, it is believed that she was a tentmaker, sharing the same profession as Paul did, but also having a great Christian theology understanding along with her husband (we can assume that working with Paul they spoke much).



I know of no evidence of this. Neither can I find any. Do you have a source or reference for this claim?



I’m not defending TRA, as I have my doubts whether he believes himself about half of his posts, but neither do I think your accusations show much in establishing convincing “truths” about what you say Christianity is either.

I am sorry; I should have given you references.

Romans 16:3. Pauls refers to Prisca and aquila as his "colleagues in Christ". I don't care what your translation says, sunergetos means colleague. And a colleague in Christ means fellow-founder of a Christian Community. As this Community happens to be the Roman community, Prisca is likely to have been the first bishop of Rome - if such an anachronistic term may be applied in the time of this leter; 50 A.D.)
Mind that 50 A.D. : that is before peter came to Rome.

As for Linus: he is only referred to by Irenaeus, more than a hundred years after his supposed episcopate. He may have been "only" a deakon of rome, he may even not have existed. I know that Roman-Catholics are not keen on such information, but that is no reason to withold it from you.

As for the gays:

http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/gaymarriagerite.html

Now, please don't think that I presume to tell you what christianity originally was about. I certainly did not mean to "accuse" anyone. I am merely pointing out what practices were not uncommon in Early Christianity. And I believe that because of theire temporal proximity to Christ, they may have had one or to points. That's all.

Greetings,

Neu Heidelberg

Point taken! The point I was trying to make is in blue!! True, you must label, if only for the sake of description! However, we definitely invest too much stock in labels. Disliking someone to the point of disassociating yourself from them due to conflicting views, usually caused by religious, political, racial, or some other stereotypical label, is just crazy!!! Now, if you just don't like my attitude because I am a pompous ass, by all means, walk up to me and make me eat my teeth! At least that action is justifiable because I am a pompous ass, not because I'm white or agnostic!!!

I agree to a point (which is why the colored text is in there) but sometimes learning the label of someone or something can make all the difference in the world to how you react to it

It may describe likely qualities that you find un appetizing that you may not have experienced yet

I have a friend who is in every way nice to me so far ... but I find out he has been correctly labeled a child molester

Now I have no personal experience of this and I have just found a label applied to him . Does that mean I should not make changes to our relationship based on that.

Finding out a label fits can make all the difference in the world.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

(Yawns)

Go play with your Bush doll.

You might want to check with your priest on that one.

Do I need to find the encyclical that condemns homosexuality? Or abortion? Or birth control?

I'm not Catholic. You've also entirely missed the point. I'm aware that the official Catholic doctrine is anti-homosexuality, anti-birth control, etc. etc. I stated as much. I also stated that no sensible person would consider these positions to be "core tenets" of Catholicism. If you read the Apostles' Creed, you'd note that it totally fails to mention gay people. Given that the Apostles' Creed is, in fact, an affirmation of "core tenets" of Catholicism, you might logically extrapolate that little details like belief in the Holy Trinity are somewhat more important in the determination of whether or not one is a Catholic than one's opinions on gay marriage.


They're also by definition not Catholic. One cannot not believe in the dogma and not follow the authority of a body yet still consider themselves a "good" member of that body. Someone in such a belief state certainly shouldn't be attacking someone who has accused said organization of "falling from the true path".Um, no. It's like joining an organization and then going around telling people that you really don't like the organization, you don't believe in what they do and really, you'd rather they were a different organization altogether. Odd that.

That's absurd. I consider myself a "good American," and yet believe Bush to be a terrible president and the Patriot Act to be a piece of crap. Throughout the history of the Catholic Church, numerous generations of "good Catholics" have disagreed with elements of the power structure. There have been Popes who were insane, Popes who were criminals, Popes who espoused what were at the time considered heretical teachings. "Good Catholics" often disliked and opposed said Popes. In modern times, something like 70% of nuns, in a poll taken a few years ago, believed that women should be able to be priests. These are women who have devoted their life to God, and you honestly think it makes sense to call them "bad Catholics" (or even not Catholic at all) because they hold some opinions which differ from those of the current power structure? How utterly nonsensical.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.



You know what happens to people like you? Do you?

Ever hear of the Nuremburg Trials? Thats what happens to your kind.



Death by hanging.

of course religion is a media practiced only by the majority! thats why christian symbols were banned in new jersey <the rest snipped because, well frankly, it's right up there ^)

How's that War on Christmas going for you guys? So, take a big, deep breath and go back and read my post(s). You'll notice that I said "religious practices" not religions and never said the U.S. was mono-theistic.

So, you think you can freely practice whatever religion you want in the U.S.? I think you'll find that as a non-Native American you can't join the Native American Church, nor are you allowed to consume hallucinogenic substances as a sacrament in any other belief. You also wouldn't be allowed to practice certain Santeria or voodoo rites legally despite your level of holy devotion. Skyclad rites in public places are seriously frowned upon. You certainly wouldn't be able to start your own religion should it happen to include sacrificing cross-eyed dogs (or kids for that matter) as hellspawn. So yeah. Keep that delusion of free exercise going.

Wait, I've gotta quote this...and any response to TRA's appraisal of democrats in america is not hypocritical. anyone who believes that democrats and catholics should be burned in hell and is also a christian deserves to be attacked, because that is radical, unchanging fundamentalism that is very uncharacteristic of the normally-accepting Christian faith.Yeah. So much for that precious freedom of religion you believe in.
there are christians that believe Catholics and homosexuals should be punished. I, on the other hand, believe that, although the practice of homosexuality is wrong, these people should be accepted as a person and not as a "gay." .Oh Jesus H Christ on a fucking soggy cracker. It's not up to you or your religion to decide for gay people or any other group what is wrong. Tattoo that on your eyelids so you see it every morning when you wake up. The world will quickly be a better place.

How's that War on Christmas going for you guys? So, take a big, deep breath and go back and read my post(s). You'll notice that I said "religious practices" not religions and never said the U.S. was mono-theistic.

So, you think you can freely practice whatever religion you want in the U.S.? I think you'll find that as a non-Native American you can't join the Native American Church, nor are you allowed to consume hallucinogenic substances as a sacrament in any other belief. You also wouldn't be allowed to practice certain Santeria or voodoo rites legally despite your level of holy devotion. Skyclad rites in public places are seriously frowned upon. You certainly wouldn't be able to start your own religion should it happen to include sacrificing cross-eyed dogs (or kids for that matter) as hellspawn. So yeah. Keep that delusion of free exercise going.

Wait, I've gotta quote this...Yeah. So much for that precious freedom of religion you believe in.
Oh Jesus H Christ on a fucking soggy cracker. It's not up to you or your religion to decide for gay people or any other group what is wrong. Tattoo that on your eyelids so you see it every morning when you wake up. The world will quickly be a better place.

since when do most christians force their religions on other people?!

maybe you were molested by a priest when you were young... there there.

Oh Jesus H Christ on a fucking soggy cracker. It's not up to you or your religion to decide for gay people or any other group what is wrong. Tattoo that on your eyelids so you see it every morning when you wake up. The world will quickly be a better place.

Why you're saying that to myself and Christmahanikwanzikah and not to TRA is a little baffling. I've come out and said that churches are made up of individuals whose minds often differ from one another; Christmahanikwanzikah effectively said the same. Neither of us condemns others for their beliefs. TRA seems to be doing so. That's what we're against. And yet you are attacking us. Not entirely sure why.

At least "Jesus H Christ on a fucking soggy cracker" is a fairly interesting variation of the usual uses of the Lord's name in vain I hear.

I think my favorite part of the OP was TRA's complete ignorance of the fact that the Republicans haven't pushed for a single thing they promised their so-called "base" in the 2000 & 2004 elections -- the fundamentalists (which you can't spell without "mental") thought they were helping elect a champion, and when they saw that their pet issues weren't going to even be attempted, they -- not the homosexuals or the atheists -- helped strip the GOP of congress.

Look, Redemptor Jocundum, you and your rabid ilk aren't going to get a mainstream political party in this country to do your bidding for you -- EVER. No Republican or Democrat wants to alienate their electorate -- that's their life blood. 99.999% of politicians first job is to keep their job, and that means almost constant attention to the next election cycle.

Here's what I suggest. Start the Jesus Party. I daresay you'd get a hell of a lot more votes than Ross Perot and Ralph Nader did in their third-party campaigns COMBINED. You can't trust someone, for example, who likes to hit on adolescent boys to head a committee to protect those same boys, it just -- what? Oh. Yeah. Foley. Okay, bad example.

Look. You want politics done, try to do it yourself, and you will see that you'll poll a certain percentage and never any higher because your people are not and cannot ever be the majority in a free country. I'm sorry to break it to you, but that's how it is. Now I expect you to retort with some quasi-Biblical denunciation of me to the lake of fire, and that's fine -- but know this: no mainstream party will truly work for you in the way you want. Try it yourself and see why you should always follow the eleventh commandment: THOU SHALT KEEP THY RELIGION TO THYSELF.

You're making some assumptions that aren't supported.
Fine. Make it your personal crusade to turn me into a DoS person. I don't lick The Redemption Army's boots. You obviously do. If you want me banned and DoS'd for that, whatever.I don't care whether the mods come down on you or not. I figured (evidently wrongly) that you might want to be aware that your post put you at liability for a smack-down, and I didn't think you really wanted to be forum-banned over a poster such as The Redemption Army.First off, I don't condemn other people for not following the tenets of my religion. I follow it because it works best for me.For all the reasons to follow a religion that would be a good one.[ QUOTE]He condemned people for actions that went against his religion. That's not hypocritical; it's perfectly consistent.[/QUOTE]And your religion condemns people for actions that go against its tenets. That's why your condemnation of him was hypocritical of you.You're a hypocrite because you condemn me for my beliefs yet praise him for his. Second off, the word "USian" is a canard. Save a letter and just type "Yank" next time.First off, at no point did I praise TheRedempA. You seem to have a streak of martyrdom going. I loath both his and your positions on religion. Secondly, "USians" works; "Yank" can be deeply offensive to those from the U.S. South. What you're telling me is that I can't call myself a Catholic because I support gay rights, contraception, and euthanasia rights.I'm not telling you that at all. I'm telling you that your Church, in writing, has told you (not personally obviously) that you are not a Catholic if you do not accept the Church's teachings. And for many of the world, those teachings are as disturbing as the fundamentalists'. if those Catholics who supported the same things I do (and as far as contraception goes, I am not alone) decided, "Fine, if you want to condemn us, we'll leave the Church" then the Church would lose a lot of followers. Considering all the problems the Church has, I don't think they want that.And yet you don't. Leave that is. North American and north European Catholics have been threatening abandonment of the Church for 50 years now. They don't leave and therefore there is no pressure put upon the Church. That would appear to say that you (again, not just you personally) don't hold your "liberal" beliefs as strongly as you say you do.
Again, I believe that people can believe what they want. TRA believes I am wrong. I don't profess to know that he's wrong, just that I don't want to be in heaven if he's right. You're a hypocrite, and you're putting words in my mouth.
And if someone telling that person is such a horrifying thought to you that you have to make it your personal mission to condemn them and tell them they are a hypocrite, a liar, and a terrible person who belongs in jail or whatever, then you need to grow a thicker skin yourself. Unless you want to make an enemy out of me. That's fine too.Now you're really over-reacting. And who's putting words in whose mouth?

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil.
What is the point in such obviously insincere trolling?

Here's what I suggest. Start the Jesus Party. I daresay you'd get a hell of a lot more votes than Ross Perot and Ralph Nader did in their third-party campaigns COMBINED. You can't trust someone, for example, who likes to hit on adolescent boys to head a committee to protect those same boys, it just -- what? Oh. Yeah. Foley. Okay, bad example.There already is a Christian Party...

There already is a Christian Party...

And their favorite color is red!

I agree to a point (which is why the colored text is in there) but sometimes learning the label of someone or something can make all the difference in the world to how you react to it

It may describe likely qualities that you find un appetizing that you may not have experienced yet

I have a friend who is in every way nice to me so far ... but I find out he has been correctly labeled a child molester

Now I have no personal experience of this and I have just found a label applied to him . Does that mean I should not make changes to our relationship based on that.

Finding out a label fits can make all the difference in the world.

Again, you make a very valid point! I was thinking, more or less, along the lines of 'harmless' labels! A person is not likely to cause another harm simply because he/she is white, republican, or catholic! I think the senseless bickering over religious, political, or other such views is ridiculous; they are merely representative of individual thoughts, beliefs, and opinions!
Views, thoughts, beliefs, and opinions in and of themselves aren't likely to cause harm! Now when someone, in this case your friend, turns the thought of molesting a child into the physical action of molesting a child, it becomes harmful; he has harmed another human being!
I wouldn't hate the guy because his opinion of a child molester differed from mine or because his thoughts on the punishment due a child molester differed from mine; I'd hate the guy for molesting a child!!! It's the action; like someone being an ass as opposed to defending or arguing the thoughts and opinions of an ass! I'm not going to hate someone because they're Jewish and we may not share the same views or beliefs but, if this person runs around, beating people to an unconscious state, and nailing them to crosses, I'm not going to like em' very much!
We just have different views on a particular topic! At least you haven't condemned me to eternal damnation becuase of it!

I just mentioned in another thread that Catholics have lost the true way, that they have compromised their faith. I pity them, for though they think they are faithful and heavenbound, every catholic is destined for the fires of hell.

Man! Am I glad I went with the movement that changed books in the Bible and is now largely responsible for the decline of America.

Oh wait.

I'm not Catholic. You've also entirely missed the point. I'm aware that the official Catholic doctrine is anti-homosexuality, anti-birth control, etc. etc. I stated as much. I also stated that no sensible person would consider these positions to be "core tenets" of Catholicism.And as I've shown with sanctioned sources, the Church holds that the entirety of the dogma must be accepted in order to remain in good standing. Throughout the history of the Catholic Church, numerous generations of "good Catholics" have disagreed with elements of the power structure. ... In modern times, something like 70% of nuns, in a poll taken a few years ago, believed that women should be able to be priests. These are women who have devoted their life to God, and you honestly think it makes sense to call them "bad Catholics" (or even not Catholic at all) because they hold some opinions which differ from those of the current power structure? How utterly nonsensical.Current power structure? At what point in time has the Roman Catholic Church ever ordained women, approved of birth control, accepted practicing homosexuals (and boy do we love to practice), ad infinitum from the list of things that some (certainly not a majority), northern Catholics try to distance themselves from....

Call it nonsense or absurd all you want, I'm not calling them anything, just pointing out that the Church itself would not consider them "good Catholics" and has at times indicated that they should leave the Church (not going to wade through to find the site, but it was JPII) if they cannot or will not submit to doctrine.

Simple, it is the word of God. That is all anyone should need. =

I have two questions:

What if God is evil?

and

What if God really is a Democrat and SATAN made the Bible?

There already is a Christian Party...

I didn't say Christian party, I said Jesus party. It always seems like the one is somehow slightly out of step with the other...gee...I wonder who's got it wrong?

You're making some assumptions that aren't supported.

Really. Just as you're making a lot of attacks that aren't supported.

I don't care whether the mods come down on you or not. I figured (evidently wrongly) that you might want to be aware that your post put you at liability for a smack-down, and I didn't think you really wanted to be forum-banned over a poster such as The Redemption Army.

If the mods want to DoS me for attacking TRA, that's their prerogative. Frankly, your "Nyah nyah, you're violating the rules" is a bit annoying. I have read the rules. I am well aware of the rules. I don't need you to act like you have to interpret the rules for me.

For all the reasons to follow a religion that would be a good one.

There's a damn good reason I don't stay in my old church. And frankly, there are Catholic churches that I wouldn't like. Any church that's about bossing me around and inflicting guilt is not a church I want to attend.

He condemned people for actions that went against his religion. That's not hypocritical; it's perfectly consistent.

He condemned me for my actions. I condemned him for condemning me. I never called him a hypocrite. I called you a hypocrite.

And your religion condemns people for actions that go against its tenets. That's why your condemnation of him was hypocritical of you.

He told me I was going to hell for being a Catholic. I told him I don't appreciate being told that I am going to hell and to back the fuck off. I don't see how that makes me a hypocrite. At no point does the fact that my religion says anything play into my condemnation of his condemnation. You are simply trying to prosecute me for something that's been going on with a faith I associate with.

First off, at no point did I praise TheRedempA. You seem to have a streak of martyrdom going. I loath both his and your positions on religion.

Obviously you are choosing only to attack me. If you are consistent, you will attack both of us.

Secondly, "USians" works; "Yank" can be deeply offensive to those from the U.S. South.

Ask most Southerners if they would approve of being known as "USians." Most would probably look at you as though you have three heads. The word "Yank" will get fewer such looks.

I'm not telling you that at all. I'm telling you that your Church, in writing, has told you (not personally obviously) that you are not a Catholic if you do not accept the Church's teachings. And for many of the world, those teachings are as disturbing as the fundamentalists'. And yet you don't. Leave that is. North American and north European Catholics have been threatening abandonment of the Church for 50 years now. They don't leave and therefore there is no pressure put upon the Church. That would appear to say that you (again, not just you personally) don't hold your "liberal" beliefs as strongly as you say you do.

Liberal Catholics and the Church seem to be readily willing to ignore each other. To the Church, a liberal Catholic is perverting the faith. To a liberal Catholic, the tenets that the Church harps on are tired and not applicable anymore. Unfortunately, trying to change the Church is a little harder than one may think, since people belong of their own free will. It's not like a government, where they run your life whether you want them to or not. If a lot more depended on it, the Church would be forced to clean up its act a good deal. Many liberal Catholics find it easier just to ignore the more Draconian measures of the Church. After all, what are they going to do? Say they're not really Catholics? If the Church really wanted to make a statement, they would excommunicate liberal Catholics.

Now you're really over-reacting. And who's putting words in whose mouth?

No, no I really am not overreacting. TRA condemns Catholics. I condemn him for condemning me. You condemn me for condemning him. I ask WTF. You continue to condemn me. Naturally, it looks to me as though you are trying to make an enemy out of me. Maybe you are and maybe you aren't. Either way, whatever.

since when do most christians force their religions on other people?!When they formed (and have maintained) the majority, comprise the majority of the government, and make official policy that for many years now has assumed that every one is like them.

Here's a clue: religious practices=/religion. As a U.S. citizen I do not have to be Baptist, Methodist, Anglican or Catholic etc. I do have to confine my religious practices to those that do not offend the Christian majority (or at least the majority of Christians). Your inability to see that pretty much proves the point. maybe you were molested by a priest when you were young... there there.No, I wasn't; but your lack of empathy for those that have been is pretty evident. You might work on that, it's a Christ-like thing to achieve from what I've heard.

And their favorite color is red!Judging from their platform, I'd say white, actually.

I didn't say Christian party, I said Jesus party. It always seems like the one is somehow slightly out of step with the other...gee...I wonder who's got it wrong?Yeah, there isn't much Christian stuff about the Christian Party...

When they formed (and have maintained) the majority, comprise the majority of the government, and make official policy that for many years now has assumed that every one is like them.

Here's a clue: religious practices=/religion. As a U.S. citizen I do not have to be Baptist, Methodist, Anglican or Catholic etc. I do have to confine my religious practices to those that do not offend the Christian majority (or at least the majority of Christians). Your inability to see that pretty much proves the point. No, I wasn't; but your lack of empathy for those that have been is pretty evident. You might work on that, it's a Christ-like thing to achieve from what I've heard.

for one, i was joking. lighten up... we arent deciding the fate of mankind.

since when have christians formed the majority of the government? oh, i see, when the "Christian" courts began striking religious effigies from the footstones of courthouses.

making the argument that government is controlled by Christians is silly.

There already is a Christian Party...
In America, there is not.

And as I've shown with sanctioned sources, the Church holds that the entirety of the dogma must be accepted in order to remain in good standing.Current power structure? At what point in time has the Roman Catholic Church ever ordained women, approved of birth control, accepted practicing homosexuals (and boy do we love to practice), ad infinitum from the list of things that some (certainly not a majority), northern Catholics try to distance themselves from....

Call it nonsense or absurd all you want, I'm not calling them anything, just pointing out that the Church itself would not consider them "good Catholics" and has at times indicated that they should leave the Church (not going to wade through to find the site, but it was JPII) if they cannot or will not submit to doctrine.

Current power structure, indeed. The Catholic Church originally permitted priests to marry, and there has been talk of allowing it again, as an easy example. The Catholic Church once held that use of the vernacular in masses was heretical; Vatican II permanently put an end to that position. Quite a lot of positions have been revised over time. I've agreed with you that many of the current authority figures in the Church might consider someone who supports birth control and gay marriage a "bad Catholic." I've simply pointed out that being in authority does not necessary make one's views either correct or representative. Heck, the Church has, on more than one occasion in the past, changed its official positions specifically due to popular pressure. You can choose to define "good Catholics" as "whatever the current Pope says they are" or as "people who adhere to the (actual) core tenets of Catholicism." I think the latter definition makes more sense, myself.

Why you're saying that to myself and Christmahanikwanzikah and not to TRA is a little baffling. I've come out and said that churches are made up of individuals whose minds often differ from one another; Christmahanikwanzikah effectively said the same. Neither of us condemns others for their beliefs. TRA seems to be doing so. That's what we're against. And yet you are attacking us. Not entirely sure why.Because the out-and-out loonies are quite easy to spot. There were plenty of people who had already said all that needed to be said about TheRedempA. As I noted elsewhere, I loath his stance; if you're taking a poll fine check another "boo, hiss" down for me. I also happen to think he is a puppet.

What raises the bile is the bullshit that Christmahanikwanzika came out with (I don't think I've seen you say it in this thread, but maybe you buy into it too) when he trotted out the (paraphrased) "we believe you're wrong/sinful for being gay, but we'll accept you as long as you try not to be what you were born as." It's a disgusting sleight of doctrinal hand.

At least "Jesus H Christ on a fucking soggy cracker" is a fairly interesting variation of the usual uses of the Lord's name in vain I hear.Hey, that's one thing we infidels are good for.... ;)

Judging from their platform, I'd say white, actually.

Or green. Or slick black.

Current power structure, indeed. The Catholic Church originally permitted priests to marry, and there has been talk of allowing it again, as an easy example. The Catholic Church once held that use of the vernacular in masses was heretical; Vatican II permanently put an end to that position. Quite a lot of positions have been revised over time. I've agreed with you that many of the current authority figures in the Church might consider someone who supports birth control and gay marriage a "bad Catholic." I've simply pointed out that being in authority does not necessary make one's views either correct or representative. Heck, the Church has, on more than one occasion in the past, changed its official positions specifically due to popular pressure. You can choose to define "good Catholics" as "whatever the current Pope says they are" or as "people who adhere to the (actual) core tenets of Catholicism." I think the latter definition makes more sense, myself.

But the fun part is asking the religious if they think priests will marry. Then telling them, "Didnt you think the same about Florentine masses?"

Makes people think.

What raises the bile is the bullshit that Christmahanikwanzika came out with (I don't think I've seen you say it in this thread, but maybe you buy into it too) when he trotted out the (paraphrased) "we believe you're wrong/sinful for being gay, but we'll accept you as long as you try not to be what you were born as." It's a disgusting sleight of doctrinal hand.

no. you havent seen it in this thread because i havent put it there.

i have good friends that are gay and not once did i ever lecture them about "how their homosexuality is bringing the entire populus to satan, etc. etc., *insert blashphemy from TRA here*"

sure, i believe that homosexuality is wrong, but because i believe it is wrong does not make me a hypocrite. or, apparently, it does, in this upside-down world.

In America, there is not.Yeah there is. Just look 'em up.

He condemned me for my actions. I condemned him for condemning me. I never called him a hypocrite. I called you a hypocrite.

He told me I was going to hell for being a Catholic. I told him I don't appreciate being told that I am going to hell and to back the fuck off. I don't see how that makes me a hypocrite. You seem to be confused. He condemned your religion; you took personal offense. I pointed out to you that your religion wasn't all sweetness and light and condemned many of the actions that he condemned. You (and Christowhatever) jumped in with freedom to believe baloney while lambasting TheRedempA's beliefs. See the hypocrisy now? Obviously you are choosing only to attack me. If you are consistent, you will attack both of us.Yeah, whatever. Obviously you've got your panties in a wad.To the Church, a liberal Catholic is perverting the faith. To a liberal Catholic, the tenets that the Church harps on are tired and not applicable anymore. Unfortunately, trying to change the Church is a little harder than one may think, since people belong of their own free will. .. If the Church really wanted to make a statement, they would excommunicate liberal Catholics.
Aha! You get it. Oh wait, no you don't. What part of retaining membership in an organization that defines your noncompliance with doctrine to be sinful, while that organization actively works to incorporate those sins into the secular legal system is pretty two-faced do you not understand? You're welcome to it, but pretend it makes you any better than TheRedempA.

Why waste the time to excommunicate when the official holding is by not believing fully, you won't automagically ascend to heaven? "Liberal" money spends as easily as tow-the-line.

No, no I really am not overreacting. ... You continue to condemn me. Naturally, it looks to me as though you are trying to make an enemy out of me. Maybe you are and maybe you aren't. Either way, whatever.When you say I want to put you in jail, yeah, you're over-reacting. Make an enemy of you? You gotta get that martyr syndrome looked at....

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.

Yay! A puppet show! Wait, there's a fire starting back stage?

*Puts on flame retardant suit*

*Grabs non-flammable popcorn bag with non-flammable popcorn in it*

*Grabs non-flammable soda cup with non-flammable soda in it*

*Sits in a non-flammable chair*

I love puppet shows.

In America, there is not.

Constitution party.

What raises the bile is the bullshit that Christmahanikwanzika came out with (I don't think I've seen you say it in this thread, but maybe you buy into it too) when he trotted out the (paraphrased) "we believe you're wrong/sinful for being gay, but we'll accept you as long as you try not to be what you were born as." It's a disgusting sleight of doctrinal hand.no. you havent seen it in this thread because i havent put it there.

i have good friends that are gay and not once did i ever lecture them about "how their homosexuality is bringing the entire populus to satan, etc. etc., *insert blashphemy from TRA here*".I'll type slowly, TheRedempA's views on homosexuality are disgusting. Your views, which you did indeed insert into this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12003789&postcount=177) are equally abhorent to a gay person. Note that the "we" and the "accept" relate to a religious belief/religion.

Mighty good of you to withhold your condemnation of your good gay friends. Some day they may actually let you know what they think of that.

Where did people come up with this idea that you can be homosexual, and be right with God, so long as you don't have homosexual sex? Homosexual lust is abhorrent to God, and is enough to condemn any homosexual to hell. The only salvation for any homosexual is to receive therapy to straighten them out, or at least turn them into Asexuals, with no lust to stand as an affront to God.

Where did people come up with this idea that you can be homosexual, and be right with God, so long as you don't have homosexual sex? Homosexual lust is abhorrent to God, and is enough to condemn any homosexual to hell. The only salvation for any homosexual is to receive therapy to straighten them out, or at least turn them into Asexuals, with no lust to stand as an affront to God.

Aww. Look at the cute little self-loather. ;)

This thread reminded me of my own thread:
http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506510


I sure hope those Dems can convert everyone into atheistic homosexual drug-crazed terrorists soon before the Christian fundies have a chance to save all of our souls!

This thread reminded me of my own thread:
http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506510


I sure hope those Dems can convert everyone into atheistic homosexual drug-crazed terrorists soon before the Christian fundies have a chance to save all of our souls!

I for one welcome our atheistic homosexual drug-crazed terroristic overlords.
*nods*

he only salvation for any homosexual is to receive therapy to straighten them out, or at least turn them into Asexuals, with no lust to stand as an affront to God.

So you think homosexuals should be castrated or neutered?

I for one welcome our atheistic homosexual drug-crazed terroristic overlords.
*nods*

yes, let us kill innocent people while high on crack and then have much gay sex to celebrate our victory over all that is good and holy.

Where did people come up with this idea that you can be homosexual, and be right with God, so long as you don't have homosexual sex? Homosexual lust is abhorrent to God, and is enough to condemn any homosexual to hell. The only salvation for any homosexual is to receive therapy to straighten them out, or at least turn them into Asexuals, with no lust to stand as an affront to God.

God created homosexuals after heterosexuals because he was bored and wanted to piss off the heteros who were getting too big for their britches. God had second thoughts on that whole "go forth and be fruitful" bit. He realised that it came after some hot anal sex with Mother Nature who is really male and goes around, pracing while dressed in drag.

yes, let us kill innocent people while high on crack and then have much gay sex to celebrate our victory over all that is good and holy.

Manditory Abortions for everyone!

Manditory Abortions for everyone!
No, just got heterosexuals. ;)

Manditory Abortions for everyone!

while that does sound delicious, as abortions give me orgasms, I think we need to force the non-religious to raise kids (as much as they oppose the idea of living children) to also become gay druggy terrorists so that we can quickly outpopulate all the good christians while forcing abortions on only them.

What's wrong with King James? It's not even all that popular amongst practicing Christians IIRC.

Besides which it's the prettiest version. Everything else is so plain. :p

That's the truth... heck, I'm a Catholic and I *prefer* the King James. I want my Thees and Thous.

while that does sound delicious, as abortions give me orgasms, I think we need to force the non-religious to raise kids (as much as they oppose the idea of living children) to also become gay druggy terrorists so that we can quickly outpopulate all the good christians while forcing abortions on only them.

But that won't be an issue once we perfect the mind-control lasers that we'll shoot from our eyes.

That's the truth... heck, I'm a Catholic and I *prefer* the King James. I want my Thees and Thous.
If you prefer it, why speak in prose when you can in verse? :p

But that won't be an issue once we perfect the mind-control lasers that we'll shoot from our eyes.

well, sure, but according to the latest issue of Gay Terrorist Monthly that I just received, that wont be available until just before the Great DeGoodening, which as you should know, isn't scheduled for another 7 years.

Until then... :p

mebe a bad Christian, but a good satarist:headbang:

You give Christians a bad name.

i'll second that!

do you forget about the republican asswipe chasing around same sex minor pages,or about the scandal ridden corrupt scum that call themselves republicans,and are neither republican nor honest people?

and apparently like you,,,call themselves christians...lol:headbang:

this coming from no fan of democraps.:confused:

and are neither republican nor honest people?
So you're saying they're democrats?
and apparently like you,,,call themselves christians...lol:headbang:

this coming from no fan of democraps.:confused:

Are you drunk?

So you're saying they're democrats?


Are you drunk?


not drunk yet,just saying i do not like democrats any more then i like so called republicans.

but cloaking yourself in the christian thing seems pretty popular in both parties nowadays,whether you mean it or not.

i dont like the democrats position on alot of issues,agree with them on some.

i dont like the republican position on alot of issues,agree with them on some.

what i really dont like is the republicans claiming to be the party of god...when they are chasing minors around,taking payoffs from abramoff,and acting like drunkin romans at an orgy...yet claiming the high ground!

Question: Can we fall any farther than we already have? Won't we have to drill holes in the bottom of the "Shame-o-Meter"

Seriously, you are a minority. You need to learn that.

Republicans are like the sunnis, Democrats are like the shiites. Republicans have been in power so long, the get pissed off when the real majority takes over. Plus, it's really nasty when the get in fights.

And I will be watching you from heaven, pitying you as you wait for nothing.
A true Christian wouldn't say what you just did. :p

A true Christian wouldn't say what you just did. :p

Depends do Calvinists count?

Question: Can we fall any farther than we already have? Won't we have to drill holes in the bottom of the "Shame-o-Meter"

Seriously, you are a minority. You need to learn that.

Republicans are like the sunnis, Democrats are like the shiites. Republicans have been in power so long, the get pissed off when the real majority takes over. Plus, it's really nasty when the get in fights.

and then there are suicide bombers like Kerry and Bush...

sorry about the rip on Kerry, but he botced that joke badly.

Where did people come up with this idea that you can be homosexual, and be right with God, so long as you don't have homosexual sex? Homosexual lust is abhorrent to God, and is enough to condemn any homosexual to hell. The only salvation for any homosexual is to receive therapy to straighten them out, or at least turn them into Asexuals, with no lust to stand as an affront to God.

First, homosexuality, as science has pretty much proven, is not a choice. You don't choose to be homosexual, you are. It all has to do with the hypothalamus, really, however I'm sure that you have no idea what that is, what it's function is, how it relates to sexuality, or even where it is. So, I think I'd be beating a dead horse with that. You can't "straighten out" a homosexual. It is not biologically possible. Of course, this requires thinking, which I'm sure is far above your level.

Second, the stories and teaching on homosexuality have many interpretations. For instance, take Sodom, for example, which often is interpreted as "homosexuals are evil!". However, a different interpretation might exist, which condemns the act of rape and the hostility shown, and not homosexuality. This is even more evident by the fact that whenever Jesus speaks of it, he refers to hostility, and not once homosexuality.

Other passage are mistranslations which condemn the act of the prostitution of young boys in the churches, and not homosexuality.

And here we go again with the ignoring of the planks in the eye...

Depends do Calvinists count?

Technically, a Calvinist wouldn't say that. They don't know they are going to heaven, they just know that to whichever they are going, they are destined to be there. And that the only way to judge if you are likely to go to heaven is if you are economically successful.

Baptists, especially the southern kind, often tend to focus on the Old Testament over the New Testament, which kind of hinders the whole "Christian" thing, with the speaking of damnation and fire and brimstone over peace and friendship and forgiveness. Oddly, Baptism is an off shoot of Calvinism, though, although they abandoned predestination long ago.

and then there are suicide bombers like Kerry and Bush...

sorry about the rip on Kerry, but he botced that joke badly.

ZING!

I can honestly say that people like this guy are the reason I'm not Christian...

Hey! I used too have one of those. You know, a nation you create, and pose as the epitomy of the opposite of your beliefs, too slander it of course. Like Stephen Colbert.

A month ago, we as a nation were stupid enough, blind enough, to elect a Democrat government. I give thanks to God above that the President has not been unseated. The Democrats speak with the voice of Satan, and now they write our laws, inspired as they are, by the devil. They want to remove God's word and teaching from our schools, they want to tear down the monuments of our faith, they want to turn us into an atheist nation, like those of the failed Communists and evil Nazis. They itch to surrender our land, and the promised land of the Jews in israel, to the Muslims, who would use the land to further their endless crusade against all good christians. And they seek to put the homosexuals up with the Atheists, in rulership of our nation. Soon, we will no doubt see laws going so far as to encourage homosexuality, and we will see droves convert from being good christians to being Homosexual atheists.
This did not have to be. President Bush and the Republican Party, are the chosen representatives of God in our nation. They have been following the true agenda of God, to punish Homosexuals, and to put God's name and word in prominant places. This is truly one nation Under God, though the Democrats would like you to forget that.
Simple, it is the word of God. That is all anyone should need. Of course, I would not be able to convince one so corrupted by modern sinfulness as you are.
If the Word of God Himself is not enough for you, then nothing will be. You have chosen to side with Satan, and I cannot help that.
I just mentioned in another thread that Catholics have lost the true way, that they have compromised their faith. I pity them, for though they think they are faithful and heavenbound, every catholic is destined for the fires of hell.
And I will be watching you from heaven, pitying you as you wait for nothing.
Oh, I won't be the one judging him. God will be. I just happen to already know how God will judge him, because God has told me, in the pages of The Bible.
Finally he speaks truth.
Every sinner chooses hell. The light of God is there, shining, waiting for them to grasp for it and ask forgiveness for their sinful natures, but they turn their heads away and say "No, I will do as I please." They pave their own road into hell.
Truth does not become falsehood. The fact that your beliefs change is a clear sign that they are wrong, and no matter how you "tweak" them, they will continue to be wrong. True faith is like a rock, never moving, holding the world together. Those who seek to change the faith, to allow women to preach, or to marry homosexuals, go against the very concept of Christian faith.
Where did people come up with this idea that you can be homosexual, and be right with God, so long as you don't have homosexual sex? Homosexual lust is abhorrent to God, and is enough to condemn any homosexual to hell. The only salvation for any homosexual is to receive therapy to straighten them out, or at least turn them into Asexuals, with no lust to stand as an affront to God.
Thou who wouldst make us devils
Thou shalt not poison me
The world hath been persuaded
To believe thy heresy

I spit in the eye of Satan
And I will spit in thine
The devils that surround thee
Liveth only in thine eye

Bad religion, bad religion
I need no gods or devils, I need no pagan rights
Bad religion, bad religion
I need no burning crosses to illuminate my nights

Hey! Hey!
You hear me now? You hear me now?
Hey! Hey!
For thou art Judas, the mark of Cain be on thy brow

Evangelistic Nazis,
You cannot frighten me
The name you take in vain
Shall judge you for eternity

I spit in the eye of Satan
Spit right in your eye too
You are the spooks you're chasing
You know not what you do

Bad religion, bad religion
I know you lie, I know you lie
Bad religion, bad religion
Thieves and liars, cross my heart I hope you die

Hey! Hey!
Remember me? Remember me?
Hey! Hey!
If there be justice burning hell awaits for thee

Liar, liar, liar, liar, liar...

If there be such a being
Then thou art Antichrist
Turn men against their children
Turn beauty into vice

I say thy God shall smite thee
He will perceive thy lust
His wrath shall fall upon thee
Thou that betray His thrust

Bad religion, bad religion
I say that thou art liars, thy souls shall not be saved
Bad religion, bad religion
Here are the days of thunder, the days that thou hast made

Hey! Hey!
Base seducers, I see thy greed
Hey! Hey!
I am more fit for glory than any ten of thee.

Bad religion!

Brought to you by Reverend Lemmy Kilmister of the Holy Church of Motörhead!

and then there are suicide bombers like Kerry and Bush...

sorry about the rip on Kerry, but he botced that joke badly.

Dude, calling the war a crusade...

I mean, what do most people think of when they think 'crusade'

Hint: It's not happy bunnies.

Hey! I used too have one of those. You know, a nation you create, and pose as the epitomy of the opposite of your beliefs, too slander it of course. Like Stephen Colbert.

Well, thing is, the only person who really does this kind of thing is DCD. Most notably, with Jesussaves a few years back. Problem is, when most people strike out to do this, they actually put some thought behind it to make it at least believable the puppet is a real person. Thus, because this person is wholy unbelievable to be a real person, he is likely not a puppet, and thus is a real person. A paradox.

Also, we are all DCD's puppets. You just haven't realized it yet.

Democrat party will lead to the fall of our nation? I thought our nation had a fall every year along with a winter, spring and summer. :p

Democrat party will lead to the fall of our nation? I thought our nation had a fall every year along with a winter, spring and summer. :p

lol

Democrat party will lead to the fall of our nation? I thought our nation had a fall every year along with a winter, spring and summer. :p

It's Autumn, durnit! Autumn!

I have this theory that, just like homosexuality isn't a choice, BLINDED BIGOTRY isn't a choice, either.

It's just so hard for me to believe that a person would CHOOSE to hate. Rather, I believe that some people are just GOING to hate. However, they're insecure, and must have a "reason" to hate. They find a few verses in an ancient book of myths and BOOM, they have their reason to be an ignorant, intolerant, and rather stupid BIGOT.

The problem isn't completely religion itself. The problem with the world is blind, "one size fits all" religion based on what people have been told since birth. Religion is like the rest of life [despite what evagelicals say,] it has EVOLVED. People now think it's okay to hate because "The Bible says so."

At the rate we're going, within 1000 years there will be a widely accepted interpretation of the Bible that says it's okay to hate black people!

On a side note - if I die, and it turns out I was wrong and the Christian god is real, I would rot in hell for eternity knowing that i'm a better person than god. Any entity which would forsake a person to "hell" for LOVING and living life to its fullest is, quite frankly, a dick.

Well, thing is, the only person who really does this kind of thing is DCD. Most notably, with Jesussaves a few years back. Problem is, when most people strike out to do this, they actually put some thought behind it to make it at least believable the puppet is a real person. Thus, because this person is wholy unbelievable to be a real person, he is likely not a puppet, and thus is a real person. A paradox.

Also, we are all DCD's puppets. You just haven't realized it yet.

No dude, trust me, hes a puppet if i've ever seen one.

*snippy*

Yeah, people just dont understand that they are wrong, kind of like the mentally disabled.

And, its the Democratic party. Sorry, but I guess thats what you meant. Unless there is a new party of fascists who are in control--Wait. . .

No dude, trust me, hes a puppet if i've ever seen one.

It was a joke. I fairly certain he is as much a puppet as MTAE(Whom I almost guarentee is/was a puppet).

Still doesn't detract from the fact that we are all DCD's puppet.

I have this theory that, just like homosexuality isn't a choice, BLINDED BIGOTRY isn't a choice, either.

It's just so hard for me to believe that a person would CHOOSE to hate. Rather, I believe that some people are just GOING to hate. However, they're insecure, and must have a "reason" to hate. They find a few verses in an ancient book of myths and BOOM, they have their reason to be an ignorant, intolerant, and rather stupid BIGOT.

The problem isn't completely religion itself. The problem with the world is blind, "one size fits all" religion based on what people have been told since birth. Religion is like the rest of life [despite what evagelicals say,] it has EVOLVED. People now think it's okay to hate because "The Bible says so."

At the rate we're going, within 1000 years there will be a widely accepted interpretation of the Bible that says it's okay to hate black people!

On a side note - if I die, and it turns out I was wrong and the Christian god is real, I would rot in hell for eternity knowing that i'm a better person than god. Any entity which would forsake a person to "hell" for LOVING and living life to its fullest is, quite frankly, a dick.

Have fun with that rotting in hell, say hi too Adolph for me!

Anyways, its about the biggest load of bullshit too say homosexuality isnt a choice. Thats like me saying I cant stop reading TIME magazine. I make fun of people, if they meet my 2 conditions. 1. They are a dick too me, 2. They chose too act/look in a percular manner. If your a transgender cocktail waitress and you give me lip, I will not hold back. Though would I be hitting a girl?... Transgenderal paradoxes aside, you describe god as:

Any entity which would forsake a person to "hell" for LOVING and living life to its fullest is, quite frankly, a dick.

See what I believe that "ancient book" clearly defines guidelines too which I am too live my life. Sure I could love life all I want, but without recognizing my creator, then yes, I would be condemed. You see god as a dick, when you know of his existence, and blessing, and you sh*t on it. Perhaps you've done somwthing too deserve it then? See the way I see hell, its basically seperation from Christ, not a fiery pit. I know im pretty much waist deep in seccular-progressive territory here, but I really dont see believeing n a higher power, and what the bible reads, makes me a bigot in any way. Oh and if your looking for a book that oks hating black people, its called the un-revised book of mormon.

Have fun with that rotting in hell, say hi too Adolph for me!

Anyways, its about the biggest load of bullshit too say homosexuality isnt a choice. Thats like me saying I cant stop reading TIME magazine.

No, quite the contrary. Many homosexuals whom I have met say they would much rather be heterosexual. But they aren't. Because it's not a choice.

Alright, to prove this point. Go to a gay bar, and try REALLY REALLY hard to become aroused with all the men. Chances are you won't, no matter how hard you try. Reason? You sexuality is not a choice, it is hardwired into you.

God talks to prophets directly. Somehow, I don't think you are a prophet. If you can understand with perfect clarity what is being said in the bible without room for interpretation, you would be one of the prophets written into the bible. It is fairly clear that you have a fundamental belief in what is written, but can't really understand what it means.

There was no democratic party or republican party when the bible was written. Jesus railed against falsity and told people to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.