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Sorry, but I can't maintain this any longer. I have very little time for NS now that I quit my job and have to find a new one. My apologies.

*cue somber yet hopeful music*

In light of Kyronea's resignation, I hereby assume the office of President of the United States parallel government. I commend Kyronea's fine example as a mature and no-nonsense leader, and will work to perpetuate that attitude for as long as is necessary to set this country right.

As my first act, I appoint Wilgrove as my Vice President.

Secondly, I award Kyronea the Presidential Medal of Freedom (http://www.wku.edu/Library/dlsc/RobertWPennPics/freedom.jpg) for his fine work in getting this government underway.

I will leave the specifics of policy to my Cabinet for now. Cabinet members, I kindly request that you present any suggestions you have that touch on your respective departments on Monday. Please label your report with a bolded title indicating the name of your department. Length does not matter. I will look through these suggestions tomorrow, and will begin crafting a more cohesive public policy later that night.

Until then, know that my personal positions are socially liberal and economically moderate. I am religiously agnostic. People will be free to practice religion as long as it does not hold undue influence over the public sphere. I'm open to alternate views on most issues, so don't be wary to challenge them. However, be prepared to defend those views!

I also believe that, as a world leader, America has a responsibility to work with other nations to improve justice, health, happiness, and security worldwide. This will be accomplished through intergovernmental programs and diplomacy wherever possible. All of our wars shall be just.

For reference, here is the current government leadership. If there are any omissions or mistakes, please let me know. Be sure to provide proof for your claims in the form of a link to the post where the position was requested/granted.

Note: I have appointed Drunk Commies Deleted as the new White House Press Secretary, for his ability to both uncover news and present it in an amusing and concise manner. If the spot has already been taken, please let me know!

TOP LEVEL LEADERSHIP
President: Rhaomi
Vice President: Wilgrove
President Pro Tempore: Jello Biafra
Speaker of the House: Neo Undelia
Senate Minority Leader: Eugene Victor Debs
House Minority Leader: Soheran

CABINET SECRETARIES
Commerce: Vetalia
The Treasury: Red_Letter
Energy: Mirkana
Transportation: Wozzinistan
Labor: Trotskylvania
Health and Human Services: Bumboat
State: The South Islands
Defense: Posi
Education: Gorias
Homeland Security: United Uniformity
Agriculture and Environment: Sel Appa
Housing and Urban Development: Losing It Big Time

OTHER POSITIONS
Federal Reserve Chairman: Neo Kervoskia
CIA Director: Kulikovia
Trade and Foreign Relations: Aronnax
Black Ops: Imperial isa
Chief Justice: CthulhuFhtagn
EPA Administrator: Ladamesansmerci
CEA Chairman: Greill
Press Secretary: Drunk Commies Deleted

AMBASSADORS
Requisite British Lap-dog: Darknovae
Ambassador to Canada: Kryozerkia
Ambassador to the United Nations: Maineiacs
Ambassador to Monaco: Andaluciae
Ambassador to Central America: Onalos
Ambassador to the Caribbean dependencies: Fleckenstein
Ambassador to Saudi Arabia: Icovir.

(More to be filled in as people request positions. First come, first served.)

I accept the position of Vice President.

Position granted. :cool:

This looks like a very fragile unity coalition. It should be interesting to see if it can come to any policy decisions.

you need someone taken care of we here for that
*goes back to planing new op*

Position granted. :cool:

Su-wheet.

Can I be an iconoclastic and radical Representative?

I'd ask for a more powerful position - perhaps Senate Majority Leader - but I doubt I'd like the necessary party affiliation.

Can I be an iconoclastic and radical Representative?

I'd ask for a more powerful position - perhaps Senate Majority Leader - but I doubt I'd like the necessary party affiliation.

I'd support Soheran's inclusion in the government in said position...

Please make me the chairman of the CEA. :)

Can I be an iconoclastic and radical Representative?

I'd ask for a more powerful position - perhaps Senate Majority Leader - but I doubt I'd like the necessary party affiliation.

Would Senate Minority Whip do? Or perhaps House Minority Leader?

Please make me the chairman of the CEA. :)

CEA? Please clarify that.

we need a head of the secret service

Would Senate Minority Whip do? Or perhaps House Minority Leader?

Just give me House Minority Leader, please.

If I outstep my boundaries, I'll be ousted... and I can still be a radical and iconoclastic representative.

Just give me House Minority Leader, please.

If I outstep my boundaries, I'll be ousted... and I can still be a radical and iconoclastic representative.

Done.

CEA? Please clarify that.

The Council of Economic Advisors. They advise the president on economic issues and keep them up to date on the state of the economy.

The Council of Economic Advisors. They advise the president on economic issues and keep them up to date on the state of the economy.
Thank you. Position granted.

So when do we hold our first cabinet meeting Mr. President?

So when do we hold our first cabinet meeting Mr. President?
As stated in the OP, I expect all Cabinet members to present their policy suggestions pertaining to their respective departments throughout the day on Monday. The proposals will be discussed Monday night at 8PM EST (1AM GMT).

Sir, I believe our first order of business is to discuss the Fair Tax Plan. We should draw up plans on how we should implement this, and how to re-vamp the IRS.

As Sec for Housing and development I would quite like to do the following (I will try to make sure that all this falls under my cabinet position):

1) Expand the Community Development Block Grant to encorporate 90% of those living beneath the poverty line and enlarge it to encompass 95% of the tasks of my department. Our number one aim should be putting money into improving the living qualities, through government funding, of those unlucky enough to live in poverty stricken areas. (I am British so tell me if I'm going wrong in terms of policy or something)

2) Ensure that the running of the 'Public and Indian Housing' sector is smooth. Perhaps expanding 50% of Native American reserves by half to complete atonement for sins committed in the past.

3) (This is totally unfeasable from an economic perspective but from a social perspective it would make an awful lot of people very happy) Clear any Ginnie Mae debt...everyone with Government National Mortgage will, by default, own their homes...(I doubt that this will be encorporated but in an imaginary world woul be a lovely thing to happen)

i like to have some reports from our Requisite British Lap-dog: Darknovae

As Sec for Housing and development I would quite like to do the following (I will try to make sure that all this falls under my cabinet position):

1) Expand the Community Development Block Grant to encorporate 90% of those living beneath the poverty line and enlarge it to encompass 95% of the tasks of my department. Our number one aim should be putting money into improving the living qualities, through government funding, of those unlucky enough to live in poverty stricken areas. (I am British so tell me if I'm going wrong in terms of policy or something)

I think the aim of this administration should be to decrease the size of government, not increase it. The last thing we need is to increase the government's hold on the populace. The more people are forced to take care of themselves, the better. We need to encourage self reliance.


2) Ensure that the running of the 'Public and Indian Housing' sector is smooth. Perhaps expanding 50% of Native American reserves by half to complete atonement for sins committed in the past.

The problem with this is that Emmement Domain will come into play, and people who honestly do own their property will be forced off, and force to relocate. We're just going around in circles with this idea. What we need to do is encourage the native Americans to work with us, not have them take the land of the innocence just because of what our ancestors did.


3) (This is totally unfeasable from an economic perspective but from a social perspective it would make an awful lot of people very happy) Clear any Ginnie Mae debt...everyone with Government National Mortgage will, by default, own their homes...(I doubt that this will be encorporated but in an imaginary world woul be a lovely thing to happen)

Hmm, I could support this, this would decrease the government's income, which mean the government would be forced to scale back.

Sir, I believe our first order of business is to discuss the Fair Tax Plan. We should draw up plans on how we should implement this, and how to re-vamp the IRS.

I'll include this in the agenda for tomorrow. (It might be better to hold the discussion that night, seeing as going through the suggestions should not take that long).

As Sec for Housing and development I would quite like to do the following (I will try to make sure that all this falls under my cabinet position):

1) Expand the Community Development Block Grant to encorporate 90% of those living beneath the poverty line and enlarge it to encompass 95% of the tasks of my department. Our number one aim should be putting money into improving the living qualities, through government funding, of those unlucky enough to live in poverty stricken areas. (I am British so tell me if I'm going wrong in terms of policy or something)

2) Ensure that the running of the 'Public and Indian Housing' sector is smooth. Perhaps expanding 50% of Native American reserves by half to complete atonement for sins committed in the past.

3) (This is totally unfeasable from an economic perspective but from a social perspective it would make an awful lot of people very happy) Clear any Ginnie Mae debt...everyone with Government National Mortgage will, by default, own their homes...(I doubt that this will be encorporated but in an imaginary world woul be a lovely thing to happen)

1) Noted.

2) While I agree that the Native American tribes deserve compensation, do they require more land? Are there any reserves that are overpopulated or otherwise too small? I am unfamiliar with exactly how the reservation system works, so I do not know how simply increasing reservation size will accomplish this aim. Perhaps we should provide greater funding for the reservations instead?

Let's have a more in-depth discussion about this at the Cabinet meeting tomorrow.

3) A nice idea, but most likely unworkable. Let's discuss this and other possible solutions tomorrow.

I think the aim of this administration should be to decrease the size of government, not increase it. The last thing we need is to increase the government's hold on the populace. The more people are forced to take care of themselves, the better. We need to encourage self reliance.

I'm fine with point number two not being generally liked as it is kind of far-fetched. But this I think you may have misunderstood. The Community Development Block Grant already exists. I'm proposing downscaling all other parts to the Department of Housing and focusing on this, diverting most of my funding to it and asking for more from treasury and fed. reserve. Even the most strigintly neo-liberal economist won't mind my helping the poorest of the poor to have a better home, will they?

As to point three it was kind of a joke but I'm glad you like it Mr Veep.

What knowledge do I have of these proposals? And how much input can I provide?

I'm fine with point number two not being generally liked as it is kind of far-fetched. But this I think you may have misunderstood. The Community Development Block Grant already exists. I'm proposing downscaling all other parts to the Department of Housing and focusing on this, diverting most of my funding to it and asking for more from treasury and fed. reserve. Even the most strigintly neo-liberal economist won't mind my helping the poorest of the poor to have a better home, will they?

As to point three it was kind of a joke but I'm glad you like it Mr Veep.

Would this plan increase taxes?

What knowledge do I have of these proposals? And how much input can I provide?

thats a good point
*say that i came to him and say you vote on this or die*

What knowledge do I have of these proposals? And how much input can I provide?
You could act as a public representative, providing advice on how best to craft these policies in order to please your constituency or the people at large.

Cool idea.

**requests position of "Official Generic Rouser of Rabbles and Maker of Trouble"**

**dons beret, bandanna, picket sign, and walks circles insides a chain-link fence cage yelling clever slogans**

Cool idea.

**requests position of "Official Generic Rouser of Rabbles and Maker of Trouble"**

**dons beret, bandanna, picket sign, and walks circles insides a chain-link fence cage yelling clever slogans**

It has to be a real office.

Would this plan increase taxes?

*whispers*

A little bit.

But it would generate more money for the communities so therefore not affect people adversely in their pay checks...

*he says in surefire knowledge that he may be the only pro-high taxes member of the cabinet*

Cool idea.

**requests position of "Official Generic Rouser of Rabbles and Maker of Trouble"**

**dons beret, bandanna, picket sign, and walks circles insides a chain-link fence cage yelling clever slogans**

*taken out by a sniper*

*whispers*

A little bit.

But it would generate more money for the communities so therefore not affect people adversely in their pay checks...

*he says in surefire knowledge that he may be the only pro-high taxes member of the cabinet*

Unacceptable, This administration must cut taxes. Hmmm, what if we replace the house with condos or apartments. Would that cost more or less?

Unacceptable, This administration must cut taxes. Hmmm, what if we replace the house with condos or apartments. Would that cost more or less?

*do we keep the interns*

Unacceptable, This administration must cut taxes. Hmmm, what if we replace the house with condos or apartments. Would that cost more or less?


Ah. Therein lies the problem as I say it with American housing policy. That just sounds like building projects and ghettoisation. Which is kind of the point of this scheme - ie no more ghettoisation...

It has to be a real office.

(we can pretend that "Official Generic Rouser of Rabbles and Maker of Trouble" really means "the People," in the same way that "Requisite British Lap-dog" likely means something similar to "Ambassador to the United Kingdom." A government needs something to govern, yes?)

*he says in surefire knowledge that he may be the only pro-high taxes member of the cabinet*

There are other strong leftists in the cabinet, don't worry.

1) Expand the Community Development Block Grant to encorporate 90% of those living beneath the poverty line and enlarge it to encompass 95% of the tasks of my department. Our number one aim should be putting money into improving the living qualities, through government funding, of those unlucky enough to live in poverty stricken areas. (I am British so tell me if I'm going wrong in terms of policy or something)

I would propose some means of making this program directly accountable to those it is intended to help.

Sir, I believe our first order of business is to discuss the Fair Tax Plan. We should draw up plans on how we should implement this, and how to re-vamp the IRS.

Assuming that this "Fair Tax Plan" refers to the replacement of the progressive income tax with a regressive sales tax, I declare my opposition to this give-away to the super-rich.

Ah. Therein lies the problem as I say it with American housing policy. That just sounds like building projects and ghettoisation. Which is kind of the point of this scheme - ie no more ghettoisation...

It has been proven that every government housing projects has turned into a ghetto, so does it really matter?

(we can pretend that "Official Generic Rouser of Rabbles and Maker of Trouble" really means "the People," in the same way that "Requisite British Lap-dog" likely means something similar to "Ambassador to the United Kingdom." A government needs something to govern, yes?)

to late your dead
try new job

*taken out by a sniper*

**is grabbed by man in urban camo suit (carrying a rather large gun over his shoulder), is carried to the door, and is tossed out on his ear**

Well. That's rather rude.

**dusts self off**

Assuming that this "Fair Tax Plan" refers to the replacement of the progressive income tax with a regressive sales tax, I declare my opposition to this give-away to the super-rich.

You are forgetting that it gets rid of Income taxes, and instead taxes sales only. Not only that but the tax you spend on essential items like food, clothing, shelter, and medicine will be returned to you.

I would propose some means of making this program directly accountable to those it is intended to help.

Absolutely. How would we go about achieving this beyond mere government promise? Any Leftist pseudo-Keynesian Economists in the Cabinet at all?

Assuming that this "Fair Tax Plan" refers to the replacement of the progressive income tax with a regressive sales tax, I declare my opposition to this give-away to the super-rich.

Seconded.

Unacceptable, This administration must cut taxes.

I would suggest to the Vice President that if he seeks to cut taxes, there are better ways to do so than to deny aid to the poor. My suggestion would be reducing the obscene "defense" budget.

**is grabbed by man in urban camo suit (carrying a rather large gun over his shoulder) is carried to the door, and tossed out on his ear**

Well. That's rather rude.

**dusts self off**

*more man show up with tanks takes out the other man and beats the shit out of him,dont mess with black ops*

It has been proven that every government housing projects has turned into a ghetto, so does it really matter?

Yes it does. We will house people in the Suburbs and we will house people in areas where the schools are good and the job opportunities plenty so that we won't be housing their kids as well; thereby creating a similar situation to that in London and other British cities where we have Council Estates (Projects) totally integrated with middle class/upper-middle class homes. Not perfect but better than rich-poor and consequently (and yes this is a generalisation) racially segregated areas as far as I'm concerned

It has been proven that every government housing projects has turned into a ghetto

Public housing has been tainted by racism and half-measures since its inception; its problem lies not in concept, but in implementation.

That is why I recommended a way to make it directly accountable to those it seeks to help.

You are forgetting that it gets rid of Income taxes, and instead taxes sales only.

Yeah, that's what I said.

Not only that but the tax you spend on essential items like food, clothing, shelter, and medicine will be returned to you.

Right. That's why I didn't call it a despicable attack on the poor.

It remains a give-away to the super-rich, because they pay essentially the same rate as the upper middle class, despite the fact that the money they lose is worth far less to them.

Yes it does. We will house people in the Suburbs and we will house people in areas where the schools are good and the job opportunities plenty so that we won't be housing their kids as well; thereby creating a similar situation to that in London and other British cities where we have Council Estates (Projects) totally integrated with middle class/upper-middle class homes. Not perfect but better than rich-poor and consequently (and yes this is a generalisation) racially segregated areas as far as I'm concerned

Yea, but what about the middle class. If we do that then they'll bitch and complain that the government housing is brining down their property value, and it probably will, so is it really fair to them?

Absolutely. How would we go about achieving this beyond mere government promise?

Hmm... sponsoring some kind of democratically-elected grass-roots neighborhood council to oversee the distribution of funds?

I don't know how legal that is, though.

Any Leftist pseudo-Keynesian Economists in the Cabinet at all?

Not that I know of... Trotskylvania is a fan of parecon though.

Yea, but what about the middle class. If we do that then they'll bitch and complain that the government housing is brining down their property value, and it probably will, so is it really fair to them?

Yes. I'm what you might call middle class, or lower-middle class and my flat (appartment) is in a house oppposite a Council Estate (Project) and my nextdoor neighbours' house is a council house (government housing). We get along fine, I've lived here four years now and never had a problem with it: mind you, none of us have any money anyway so....actually no 'so' about it. The middle classes will embrace this new integration of the community and those that don't will have to live with the "indignity" of poor and ethnic groups of people living in close proximity: oh the humanity!

Yea, but what about the middle class. If we do that then they'll bitch and complain that the government housing is brining down their property value,

So?

so is it really fair to them?

Is it really fair to relegate the urban poor to the inner-city ghettos?

Yes. I'm what you might call middle class, or lower-middle class and my flat (appartment) is in a house oppposite a Council Estate (Project) and my nextdoor neighbours' house is a council house (government housing). We get along fine, I've lived here four years now and never had a problem with it: mind you, none of us have any money anyway so....actually no 'so' about it. The middle classes will embrace this new integration of the community and those that don't will have to live with the "indignity" of poor and ethnic groups of people living in close proximity: oh the humanity!

You do realize that even if you want to integrate, you can't force people out of their home for the sake of putting poor in the same neighborhood as the middle class. So even if you expand the neighborhood, pretty soon it'll be divided again.

Hmm... sponsoring some kind of democratically-elected grass-roots neighborhood council to oversee the distribution of funds?

I don't know how legal that is, though.

Sounds good:
Mr President I propose an add-on to my previous policy: to ensure equal distribution within the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) program I would like to propose some form of system of equality similar to that proposed by the minority leader here.



Not that I know of... Trotskylvania is a fan of parecon though.


In that case we're taking over...

You guys continue the economic discussion, this is some interesting stuff. I, however, must don the Presidential Jammies and hit the hay... I'll look over what you all come up with tomorrow afternoon after my classes.

You do realize that even if you want to integrate, you can't force people out of their home for the sake of putting poor in the same neighborhood as the middle class. So even if you expand the neighborhood, pretty soon it'll be divided again.

We're not forcing people our of their homes we're moving disadvantaged people into homes near to their homes. Not a reason, I'm sure, to move. Anyway more on this tomorrow when rest of cabinet reports back.

*cue somber yet hopeful music*

In light of Kyronea's resignation, I hereby assume the office of President of the United States parallel government. I commend Kyronea's fine example as a mature and no-nonsense leader, and will work to perpetuate that attitude for as long as is necessary to set this country right.

As my first act, I appoint Wilgrove as my Vice President.

Secondly, I award Kyronea the Presidential Medal of Freedom (http://www.wku.edu/Library/dlsc/RobertWPennPics/freedom.jpg) for his fine work in getting this government underway.

I will leave the specifics of policy to my Cabinet for now. Cabinet members, I kindly request that you present any suggestions you have that touch on your respective departments on Monday. Please label your report with a bolded title indicating the name of your department. Length does not matter. I will look through these suggestions tomorrow, and will begin crafting a more cohesive public policy later that night.

Until then, know that my personal positions are socially liberal and economically moderate. I am religiously agnostic. People will be free to practice religion as long as it does not hold undue influence over the public sphere. I'm open to alternate views on most issues, so don't be wary to challenge them. However, be prepared to defend those views!

I also believe that, as a world leader, America has a responsibility to work with other nations to improve justice, health, happiness, and security worldwide. This will be accomplished through intergovernmental programs and diplomacy wherever possible. All of our wars shall be just.

For reference, here is the current government leadership. If there are any omissions or mistakes, please let me know. Be sure to provide proof for your claims in the form of a link to the post where the position was requested/granted.

Note: I have appointed Drunk Commies Deleted as the new White House Press Secretary, for his ability to both uncover news and present it in an amusing and concise manner. If the spot has already been taken, please let me know!

You forgot the role of British Lapdog, which I was occupying in Kyronea's thread. :( May I be the lapdog again? Pretty please?

Well I am turning in, I'll check back when I can.

You forgot the role of British Lapdog, which I was occupying in Kyronea's thread. :( May I be the lapdog again? Pretty please?

Check under "Ambassadors."

Check under "Ambassadors."

By British lapdog I meant Prime Minister. I was the PM in Kyronea's thread.

Edit: I found myself. :)

By British lapdog I meant Prime Minister. I was the PM in Kyronea's thread.

Edit: I found myself. :)

and you need to send some reports to me

and you need to send some reports to me

Schwa?

Schwa?

*oh right forgot to say who you think you sending it to*
*i leave it up to you*

I will like to be the head of Trade and Foreign Relationships Pretty Please?

Ok I am back and wide awake.

Hmm... sponsoring some kind of democratically-elected grass-roots neighborhood council to oversee the distribution of funds?

I don't know how legal that is, though.

That's up to our friendly Supreme Court to decide.

Not that I know of... Trotskylvania is a fan of parecon though.

I am happy to be of service.

I'll be a Congressional intern, who occasionally modifies the language of certain bills when given the bills to photocopy.

I have a few proposals, Mr/Madame President.

1) A National Full Employment Program. Create a democratically managed, decentralized public enterprise tasked with creating public works and other programs to effect full employment.

2) Union deregulation. Regulations on the conduct of unions for the purpose of "bargaining" with management should be removed. In order to improve the lot of labor, unions must be given wide laditude to affect changes in the workplace dynamic. Furthermore, labor unions must be given wide ability to join with labor in foreign countries.

3) Living wage. Minimum wage should be set at the average Living wage for the entire US.

4) Employee self-management. In all publicly traded corporations, the right of low-liability should be revoked, and workers must be given the right to have self management.

I humbly petition for the position of Minister to the Caribbean nations/dependencies.

[Signed]

I humbly petition for the position of Minister to the Caribbean nations/dependencies.

[Signed]

Sounds like a good job for you.

I, Minaris, President of the TRUE 2nd parallel US gov't, condemn this administration as it is a falsity.

I, Minaris, President of the TRUE 2nd parallel US gov't, condemn this administration as it is a falsity.

I, Secretary of Labor Trotskylvania, declare you, Minaris, to be an enemy of the People of the United States. I would humbly ask that President Rhaomi try Minaris for treason.

Sounds like a good job for you.

http://home.student.uu.se/hape2405/aabf18_sarcasm_detector.jpg

This seems to be malfunctioning.

http://home.student.uu.se/hape2405/aabf18_sarcasm_detector.jpg

This seems to be malfunctioning.

I wasn't being sarcastic.

I wasn't being sarcastic.

I didnt think so: they just dont make paranoia meters like they used to :/

I, Secretary of Labor Trotskylvania, declare you, Minaris, to be an enemy of the People of the United States. I would humbly ask that President Rhaomi try Minaris for treason.

I declare YOU an enemy of the US Government. Expect to be tried for treason. :p

I will like to be the head of Trade and Foreign Relationships Pretty Please?
Done.

I'll be a Congressional intern, who occasionally modifies the language of certain bills when given the bills to photocopy.
Cute, but not appropriate. Sorry...

I have a few proposals, Mr/Madame President.
Mr., if you please.

1) A National Full Employment Program. Create a democratically managed, decentralized public enterprise tasked with creating public works and other programs to effect full employment.
I'm wary of increasing the federal bureaucracy, but I'll but this on the agenda anyways.

2) Union deregulation. Regulations on the conduct of unions for the purpose of "bargaining" with management should be removed. In order to improve the lot of labor, unions must be given wide laditude to affect changes in the workplace dynamic. Furthermore, labor unions must be given wide ability to join with labor in foreign countries.
Noted.

3) Living wage. Minimum wage should be set at the average Living wage for the entire US.
Also noted.

4) Employee self-management. In all publicly traded corporations, the right of low-liability should be revoked, and workers must be given the right to have self management.
On the agenda.

Also, the Cabinet meeting will be tonight at 8 PM EST (1 AM GMT). I would make it sooner, but I have a deadline to meet by that time and cannot schedule anything before that.

I, Minaris, President of the TRUE 2nd parallel US gov't, condemn this administration as it is a falsity.
While everyone has the right to free speech, the United States will not tolerate sedition. Keep your protests peaceful, and you will be left alone. But cross the line into violence or other unlawful disturbances, we will do what is necessary to restore peace.

You have been warned.

*sniff*

And I was trying to infiltrate the traitors too.

*sniff*

:(

Cute, but not appropriate. Sorry...:eek: No civil servants? Fine then, I'll be President Pro Tempore.

While everyone has the right to free speech, the United States will not tolerate sedition. Keep your protests peaceful, and you will be left alone. But cross the line into violence or other unlawful disturbances, we will do what is necessary to restore peace.

You have been warned.

*Dances around in a monkey suit while duelling a clone with a light saber (the toy ones, of course) while symbolizing the Parallel Government problem*

:eek: No civil servants? Fine then, I'll be President Pro Tempore.
That's more like it... *adds to roster*

Also, the Cabinet meeting will be tonight at 8 PM EST (1 AM GMT). I would make it sooner, but I have a deadline to meet by that time and cannot schedule anything before that.

I will try to make it, Mr. President.

That's more like it... *adds to roster*

And not me!?!?

Ambassador to the Caribbean nations/dependencies. *sniff*

*pouts/whines/spams*

Originally Posted by Dissonant Cognition View Post
Cool idea.

**requests position of "Official Generic Rouser of Rabbles and Maker of Trouble"**

**dons beret, bandanna, picket sign, and walks circles insides a chain-link fence cage yelling clever slogans***taken out by a sniper*
Absolutely unacceptable. Freedom of speech will be allowed, no matter how rabble-rousing it is.

In the future, Black Ops shall not commit any act without government approval.

*factors hospital treatment for Dissonant Cognition into the budget*

And not me!?!?

Ambassador to the Caribbean nations/dependencies. *sniff*

*pouts/whines/spams*
Considering your repeated applications to positions in Minaris's protest regime, I can't help but wonder whose side you're on...

Considering your repeated applications to positions in Minaris's protest regime, I can't help but wonder whose side you're on...

You missed the attempted infiltration post, didnt you?

You need to be part of the problem to kill it!

You missed the attempted infiltration post, didnt you?

You need to be part of the problem to kill it!
Ah, I missed that one. I guess it's not that big of a deal anyway, since the protest seems mainly a one-man affair at this point...

You're on the list. I suggest you work with Onalos, the Central American Ambassador.

*Fleckenstein is smote*

*Fleckenstein is smote*

Oh no, this aint goin down again.

*is not smitten*

Traitor!

*resists sniper smiley urge*

Absolutely unacceptable. Freedom of speech will be allowed, no matter how rabble-rousing it is.

In the future, Black Ops shall not commit any act without government approval.

*factors hospital treatment for Dissonant Cognition into the budget*

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I'd apply for Surgeon General, but that probably falls under "Health and Human Services." Or Department of Interior, but again I assume that's "Agriculture and Environment" (or is that more like the USDA, whereas DOI would be more like "Minister of Overcrowded National Parks?")

So, the meeting is tonight at 8? I'll be there.

Oh no, this aint goin down again.

*is not smitten*

Traitor!

*resists sniper smiley urge*

*Fleckenstein is attacked by cybo-syrup monsters.*

Never mess with the Master of Syrup and the Lord Of The Sciences.

I continue to demand that automobile companies serving the US produce only automobiles that have 25mpg or greater by 2015. By 2025, foreign energy imports must be reduced by 25%. Also, ANWR drilling is hereby banned.

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please excuse my lateness, and I will likely be in attendence for the meeting tonight, but before that happens I have some preliminary matters to bring to the Presidents and other advisors attention.

As to any tax stagnancy and/or ambitious social programs, it should be noted that we are in a deficit. As much as it might affect your popularity, perhaps it is best if we do not yet engage in any manner of 'bread and circuses'. Our first concern should be the stability of our structure, followed by the happiness of our constituents.

*wonders if creating new thread for meeting would be considered spam; decides against it*

First Cabinet Meeting
November 27th, 2006
Now Officially Closed

Feel free to respond to whichever proposals you want. Since a real-time discussion isn't possible, please number your responses according to which proposal they address.

Proposals up for discussion:

1. Fair Tax Plan and IRS reform
2. CDBG expansion and democratization
3. Indian Reservation reform
4. Forgiveness of Ginnie Mae debt
5. Public Works program
6. Union deregulation
7. Living wages
8. Employee self-management

Assignments:

• Darknovae: establish relations with the parallel British government
• Sel Appa: continue fleshing out your energy proposal. I recommend working with Mirkana and Wozzinistan in this regard.
• Posi: work with TSI on an exit strategy for Iraq.

Agreed. Pay the bills first, then go to town.

Absolutely unacceptable. Freedom of speech will be allowed, no matter how rabble-rousing it is.

In the future, Black Ops shall not commit any act without government approval.

*factors hospital treatment for Dissonant Cognition into the budget*

if they are going to do it make on the other side of the road away from the chain-link fence
we dont need nuts with bombs near you

Proposals up for discussion:

1. Fair Tax Plan and IRS reform
2. CDBG expansion and democratization
3. Indian Reservation reform
4. Forgiveness of Ginnie Mae debt
5. Public Works program
6. Union deregulation
7. Living wages
8. Employee self-management

1. I'm going to have to oppose Fair Tax plan. Even with the allowances for cost of living, it amounts to a hand out to upper income. Correct me if i'm wrong, but Fair Tax as it stands now eliminates both Corporate Income tax and Capital Gains Income tax. Capital gains is the primary source of income for the top 1 percent of American society, so I feel that any Tax reform must maintain capital gains. As for IRS reform, all for it. IRS should go after the bigger cheats, not the misfilers.

2. Good.

3. A must. Something must be done to improve standard of living on reservations

4. Pay the bills first, but otherwise, no comment.

5. :)

6. :)

7. :)

8. :D

SIC: The EPA will be launching covert investigations into the practices of dozens of companies, factories, and corporations that may be engaging in poor environmental practices. We will also be issuing tougher standards for industries.

--The Rogue Green, Sel Appa

And the NSA will try to get informaton so that our government can be overthrown.

*turns to Darknovae*

Your seat awaits.

1. Fair Tax Plan and IRS reform:
I believe at this time more information is needed regarding this issue.

2. CDBG expansion and democratization:
I believe that efforts should be made to give greater local and community oversight of this program to better allocate the money and avoid the bureaucracy at the Federal level.

3. Indian Reservation reform:
Urgent attention is needed to reverse the conditions of poverty and unemployment on these reforms. Perhaps we could encourage hiring of Native Americans from reservations to work on infrastructure projects, and provide tax credits to businesses in order to encourage investment. Extensive work should be made to improve quality of education and financial aid for reservations.

4. Forgiveness of Ginnie Mae debt:
We should first work to see if there is a way to reduce the debt rather than forgive it, to prevent mismanagement of funds and further problems. The administration of this agency should be examined to see if it is fit to continue their management.

5. Public Works program:
Absolutely. The US needs a comprehensive plan to improve the quality of its infrastructure and modernize it for a new generation of technologies and services. I suggest that we consider a multi-faceted approach to this, beginning first with standard taxpayer-funded improvements, combined with the additional sale of rights and securities to private companies both in the US and foreign investors. We should also consider privatizing certain components of the infrastructure as a trial, to see if it produces improvements in service.

6. Union deregulation:
More information will be needed before I can make a judgement on this.

7. Living wages:
I support an increase in the minimum wage or an inflation tie, but I think a federal living wage may put too much strain on some of the weaker labor markets. Instead, we should focus on raising the EITC and providing more government-funded opportunities for education and better jobs.

8. Employee self-management:
I think it should be up to individual companies to determine their management style.

1. Fair Tax Plan and IRS reform:
I believe at this time more information is needed regarding this issue.
I'm currently browsing Wiki's entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_tax); it's looking like an excellent article at the moment.

Also, I'm trying to find information on this old IRS program (EasyTax, maybe?) in which the agency would calculate and fill out people's tax forms in advance, making them much easier to send back in. There was only one small test case that was quickly canceled, however, because the software companies that marketed tax software programs put pressure on the local government.

Anyway, I think such a program would be a good way to improve efficiency and reduce errors and cheats in tax collection.

1. Fair Tax Plan and IRS reform

I think that this proposal is a good one, but ironically we do not have enough secure funds to launch a complete tax overhaul. In time maybe, but this sounds like its best left as a second term issue. You will need a surplus and the heavy support of the populace, I am not sure we have either as of yet

5. Public Works program

As I mentioned before, we have not the funds for an such project as of yet. As much as you hate it, a tax increase may be the only thing that can get us out of this rut.

7. Living wages

I would recommend it, but give states discretionary power over it.

1. Fair Tax Plan and IRS reform

I think that this proposal is a good one, but ironically we do not have enough secure funds to launch a complete tax overhaul. In time maybe, but this sounds like its best left as a second term issue. You will need a surplus and the heavy support of the populace, I am not sure we have either as of yet
I disagree. If the information in the Wikipedia article is reliably sourced, it indicates a large popular support for the FairTax system. Furthermore, costs saved in switching to this vastly less complex plan (not to mention the decrease in unreported assets) would more than make up for the relatively small price of implementing it.

If no major objections or flaws in the FairTax plan are raised before the end of this meeting, I'll make my recommendations to Congress.

My objection to Fair Tax is on my post above.

I disagree. If the information in the Wikipedia article is reliably sourced, it indicates a large popular support for the FairTax system. Furthermore, costs saved in switching to this vastly less complex plan (not to mention the decrease in unreported assets) would more than make up for the relatively small price of implementing it.

If no major objections or flaws in the FairTax plan are raised before the end of this meeting, I'll make my recommendations to Congress.

If you must, but an objection has already been raised by Trots' that has yet to be adressed.

My objection to Fair Tax is on my post above.

If you must, but an objection has already been raised by Trots' that has yet to be adressed.

Sorry about that. In that case, I amend my support of the FairTax plan to include provisions for capital gains and corporate taxes.

Sorry about that. In that case, I amend my support of the FairTax plan to include provisions for capital gains and corporate taxes.

If I may, How? I was under the impression that FairTax was fully a consumer tax. Some sort of tax agency would be needed to collect capital and corporates taxes, no? I also object to the taxation of capital gains and corporation. As long as the money is spent at all, taxing it at this stage would only be money removed from that collected by Fairtax. Since an agency needs its own funds, taxing these two properties may lose us money.

I will back the president all the way on everything, on the condition that a blind eye is turned to some of my slightly more contrevershal security measures (nothing too drastic mind don't worry).

2. CDBG expansion and democratization:
I believe that efforts should be made to give greater local and community oversight of this program to better allocate the money and avoid the bureaucracy at the Federal level.

3. Indian Reservation reform:
Urgent attention is needed to reverse the conditions of poverty and unemployment on these reforms. Perhaps we could encourage hiring of Native Americans from reservations to work on infrastructure projects, and provide tax credits to businesses in order to encourage investment. Extensive work should be made to improve quality of education and financial aid for reservations.

5. Public Works program:
Absolutely. The US needs a comprehensive plan to improve the quality of its infrastructure and modernize it for a new generation of technologies and services. I suggest that we consider a multi-faceted approach to this, beginning first with standard taxpayer-funded improvements, combined with the additional sale of rights and securities to private companies both in the US and foreign investors. We should also consider privatizing certain components of the infrastructure as a trial, to see if it produces improvements in service.
I'm wondering if perhaps all three proposals could somehow be combined...

Perhaps:
-- following LIBT's suggestion of turning HUD into a urban renewal program by increasing the CDBG
-- decentralizing it to the local level
-- incorporating a public works program into the increased CDBG budget
-- tie employment of Native Americans (improving their local infrastructure) into the whole affair?

*phew*

Needs a lot of fleshing out, but you get the idea.

7. Living wages:
I support an increase in the minimum wage or an inflation tie, but I think a federal living wage may put too much strain on some of the weaker labor markets. Instead, we should focus on raising the EITC and providing more government-funded opportunities for education and better jobs.
Perhaps, instead of merely raising the EITC, we should increase awareness of it, seeing as up to a quarter of eligible families do not collect it.

If I may, How? I was under the impression that FairTax was fully a consumer tax. Some sort of tax agency would be needed to collect capital and corporates taxes, no? I also object to the taxation of capital gains and corporation. As long as the money is spent at all, taxing it at this stage would only be money removed from that collected by Fairtax. Since an agency needs its own funds, taxing these two properties may lose us money.

Capital gains are usually not spent, but are rather sat on. Furthermore, a lack of capital gains tax encourages stock speculation.

I'm wondering if perhaps all three proposals could somehow be combined...

Perhaps:
-- following LIBT's suggestion of turning HUD into a urban renewal program by increasing the CDBG
-- decentralizing it to the local level
-- incorporating a public works program into the increased CDBG budget
-- tie employment of Native Americans (improving their local infrastructure) into the whole affair?

You could roll it together in to a single "Community Development Block Grant" program and combine all of these programs under the same umbrella, with the actual management being delegated to the places where the program is active.

Perhaps, instead of merely raising the EITC, we should increase awareness of it, seeing as up to a quarter of eligible families do not collect it.

I think both are needed; in fact, a good idea might be to chain the EITC to inflation in order to keep up between tax changes. This is because a raise in the EITC might only occur once every five to ten years, during which time the real value of the credit might fall by as much as 40% depending on inflation.

Capital gains are usually not spent, but are rather sat on.

That sounds alot more like a slant than an actual fact.

If I may, How? I was under the impression that FairTax was fully a consumer tax. Some sort of tax agency would be needed to collect capital and corporates taxes, no? I also object to the taxation of capital gains and corporation. As long as the money is spent at all, taxing it at this stage would only be money removed from that collected by Fairtax. Since an agency needs its own funds, taxing these two properties may lose us money.
Any such agency would be greatly reduced in size and complexity, as it would not need to collect income taxes, not to mention all the myriad smaller ones such as gift taxes and inheritance taxes. I'm admittedly grasping at straws here, since I'm not exactly an economic guru. I'd like to know what Vetalia has to say on this, now that more information is available...

EDIT: Also, as Trotskylvania stated earlier, capital gains taxes are levied on the highest one percent or so of income. So, taxing it would involve taxing the fewest people that make the most amount of money. This would both drastically reduce the cost of taxation while simultaneously increasing the money collected.

I would like to propose an alternate tax plan. I call it the Clancy-Mirkana Plan - Clancy after Tom Clancy, who proposed it in his book Executive Orders, and Mirkana after me who fleshed it out.

Rules for new tax plan:
Fair, progressive income tax
Understandable to the average American
Word Limit of 1000*

* - This will make loopholes impossible. You can't fit loopholes into a 1000 word bill. Consequently, no tax breaks for the rich.

Capital gains are usually not spent, but are rather sat on. Furthermore, a lack of capital gains tax encourages stock speculation.

Well, saving in and of itself is not a bad thing. That money will be spread through the system in the form of loans, increasing the money supply and providing an indirect boost of the economy. Stock speculation may be a risk that has to be considered; speculation, like saving capital gains, is not necessarily bad but I'd be concerned about a higher risk of semi-legal trading methods and the like.

Perhaps there would have to be stricter SEC laws in exchange for the abolishment of capital gains taxes.

I would like to propose an alternate tax plan. I call it the Clancy-Mirkana Plan - Clancy after Tom Clancy, who proposed it in his book Executive Orders, and Mirkana after me who fleshed it out.

Rules for new tax plan:
Fair, progressive income tax
Understandable to the average American
Word Limit of 1000*

* - This will make loopholes impossible. You can't fit loopholes into a 1000 word bill. Consequently, no tax breaks for the rich.

Can you flesh it out a little more? "Fair" is a word that can be twisted in any way you want it, it is best not used in tax descriptions. Then again, so is "understandable", the whole thing is very vague.

I would like to propose an alternate tax plan. I call it the Clancy-Mirkana Plan - Clancy after Tom Clancy, who proposed it in his book Executive Orders, and Mirkana after me who fleshed it out.

Rules for new tax plan:
Fair, progressive income tax
Understandable to the average American
Word Limit of 1000*

* - This will make loopholes impossible. You can't fit loopholes into a 1000 word bill. Consequently, no tax breaks for the rich.
I think that the FairTax system (if implemented) would cover the loophole angle, since it was mainly designed to reduce complexity and improve efficiency.

OK, how's this for a new tax plan:

* Implement FairTax plan
* Keep capital gains taxes
* Make the corporate tax progressive (going out on a limb here; I'm thinking it should make things fairer. Feel free to tear to shreds)
* Increase awareness and reach of the EITC
* Reduce size of IRS accordingly

OK, how's this for a new tax plan:

* Implement FairTax plan
* Keep capital gains taxes
* Make the corporate tax progressive (going out on a limb here; I'm thinking it should make things fairer. Feel free to tear to shreds)
* Increase awareness and reach of the EITC
* Reduce size of IRS accordingly

I'll go for it, but I still have reservations on consumption taxation. Corporate taxation should be progressive. Furthermore, penalties can be assessed to corporations that break the law through corporate income tax.

Hello there, im back from Slovakia and they want to invest in our emu farms

It's amazing we get more done than the elected parliament!

It's amazing we get more done than the elected parliament!

So true, give this man a cookie

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First Cabinet Meeting
November 27th, 2006

Feel free to respond to whichever proposals you want. Since a real-time discussion isn't possible, please number your responses according to which proposal they address.

Proposals up for discussion:

1. Fair Tax Plan and IRS reform

I support implementations of the Fair Tax Plan.


2. CDBG expansion and democratization

I believe we already discussed the problem with putting poor in middle class neighborhoods. You can put them there, but that doesn't mean they'll be integrated. Plus, it'll raise taxes, which will not be good for your first term in office.


3. Indian Reservation reform

Also problems with that since if we expand land, then we're going to have to push people off their land, and that's not right. I suggest that instead of expanding the Indian Reservation, that we try to work with them, to build a bridge to them for a better understanding.


4. Forgiveness of Ginnie Mae debt

I support this plan.


5. Public Works program

Isn't this really something else that can be solved by the private sector rather than the public one? I mean if we give these people jobs for the sake of them having jobs, then everyone loses. This proposal will raise taxes, and that is unacceptable. Now if we start a program where we find people jobs in the private sector, that I can get on board with.


6. Union deregulation

I agree with.


7. Living wages

How high of a raise are we talking about?


8. Employee self-management

I need more information.

OK, how's this for a new tax plan:

* Implement FairTax plan
* Keep capital gains taxes
* Make the corporate tax progressive (going out on a limb here; I'm thinking it should make things fairer. Feel free to tear to shreds)
* Increase awareness and reach of the EITC
* Reduce size of IRS accordingly

I can get on board with this.

OK, how's this for a new tax plan:

* Implement FairTax plan
* Keep capital gains taxes
* Make the corporate tax progressive (going out on a limb here; I'm thinking it should make things fairer. Feel free to tear to shreds)
* Increase awareness and reach of the EITC
* Reduce size of IRS accordingly

Fine, but make the capital gains tax progressive, or implement either only past $1,000,000 for capital and $30,000,000 for corporate.

Fine, but make the capital gains tax progressive, or implement either only past $1,000,000 for capital and $30,000,000 for corporate.

I think that is reasonable.

It's amazing we get more done than the elected parliament!

True. And despite the fact that we have a wide variety of ideological opinions to boot.

As to my previous statements re CDBG: I think that we are all agreed that this needs to be a localised plan regulated by both the federal government and the actual people that it will affect.

Unless anyone has any serious opposition to this *looks at Wilgrove, questioningly but not aggressively* I think this is a great idea.

As to the fair tax plan. Fine, I suppose. I just want to make it perfectly clear that I am pro-high tax for better public services and that I will support any tax plan that does not favour those in higher tax brackets: Motion to declare that this government in totally opposed to any tax breaks for the super-rich?

Whilst we're about it one of the best things about living in Britain is the National Health Service - although in recent years it has been failed by bureocracy and financial mismanagement. How do people feel about the potential of free healthcare and a National Health Service for the US?

I need more information.

It's part of a proposal that I made to the President. It involves revoking the limited liability status of publicly traded corporations, and requiring considerable measures of employee self-management. It takes a measure of authority away from management and shareholders, and transfers it to workers.

It's part of a proposal that I made to the President. It involves revoking the limited liability status of publicly traded corporations, and requiring considerable measures of employee self-management. It takes a measure of authority away from management and shareholders, and transfers it to workers.

Any process of handing back employee-power has my full support.

Islamic tension have rose over the Tony Blair War where Lebanon accused Tony Blair of anti muslim speeches before firing two rocket missles into Israel. Tony Blair then declared war on Lebanon before a cease fire was set 2 days later, I say we send our diplomat to the Middle East to sort this out

I just want to make it perfectly clear that I am pro-high tax for better public services and that I will support any tax plan that does not favour those in higher tax brackets: Motion to declare that this government in totally opposed to any tax breaks for the super-rich?

Whilst we're about it one of the best things about living in Britain is the National Health Service - although in recent years it has been failed by bureocracy and financial mismanagement. How do people feel about the potential of free healthcare and a National Health Service for the US?

Right on. I'd support your motion.

I'd also like to create a national health service, but rather than have it be a state bureaucracy, I'd like to see it be a public enterprise, employee managed system that draws from a tax supported public health trust fund to cover essential care, with supplemental funding applied by small use fees.

Right on. I'd support your motion.

I'd also like to create a national health service, but rather than have it be a state bureaucracy, I'd like to see it be a public enterprise, employee managed system that draws from a tax supported public health trust fund to cover essential care, with supplemental funding applied by small use fees.

Again, you have my full support - although my actual position in government means that means very little...

How about something controversial: cutting the defence budget? I'm not going to give my arguments for or against; I'll reserve judgement until I hear both sides of the argument (not that I'm sitting on the fence, I believe the defence budget should be slashed but I'd like to hear from people who have more of a knowledge of the sustainability of this ideal).

It's part of a proposal that I made to the President. It involves revoking the limited liability status of publicly traded corporations, and requiring considerable measures of employee self-management. It takes a measure of authority away from management and shareholders, and transfers it to workers.

Am I wrong or does this have a hint of communism to it? Comon, the manager are the one running the corporation, and the shareholders are the one who fiance it. This is a great way to run even more business to Mexico or China.

Again, you have my full support - although my actual position in government means that means very little...

How about something controversial: cutting the defence budget? I'm not going to give my arguments for or against; I'll reserve judgement until I hear both sides of the argument (not that I'm sitting on the fence, I believe the defence budget should be slashed but I'd like to hear from people who have more of a knowledge of the sustainability of this ideal).

Defense budget needs to go way down. Money spent on things to destroy things is a huge waste. It should be either returned to worker's pockets, or be used for infrastructure rebuilding and promoting the general welfare.

Islamic tension have rose over the Tony Blair War where Lebanon accused Tony Blair of anti muslim speeches before firing two rocket missles into Israel. Tony Blair then declared war on Lebanon before a cease fire was set 2 days later, I say we send our diplomat to the Middle East to sort this out

How do we know that it's Lebanon who did it and not Hezballoa? What we need to do is talk to Iran and Syria.

Defense budget needs to go way down. Money spent on things to destroy things is a huge waste. It should be either returned to worker's pockets, or be used for infrastructure rebuilding and promoting the general welfare.

If we cut into the defense budget, then we'll have to decrease the military. We cannot afford that right now, espically since we are in two wars. I think we should set this issues aside until we at least get out of Iraq.

Am I wrong or does this have a hint of communism to it? Comon, the manager are the one running the corporation, and the shareholders are the one who fiance it. This is a great way to run even more business to Mexico or China.

Of course it does. The workers have every bit as much stake in the enterprise, if not more so. Furthermore, there is a growing body of evidence the suggests that worker self management is more efficient than top down traditional management.

Alright, I think it's about time to wrap up this meeting.

Here is the list of actions I will recommend to Congress (this is your last chance to propose alterations or raise objections; discussion will be closed at 10PM EST/3AM GMT):

ACTIONS
1. Implement modified FairTax plan:
* replace all taxes with a national VAT (except capital gains and corporate)[/INDENT]
* make capital gains and corporate taxes progressive
* increase EICT awareness and reach
* reduce IRS size
* include corporate penalties in the form of increased corporate income taxes
2. Reorganize HUD:
* increase funding for CDBG by 90%
* reduce other HUD functions accordingly
* delegate management of CDBGs to the local level
* encourage usage of CDBG funds for public works programs at the local level
* establish a small, federal watchdog agency that will address * provide extra, specialized funding to Indian reservations, which will be used to both hire unemployed residents and use them to improve the infrastructure there
3. Approve EPA watchdog plan

Next, here are the assignments I'd like certain Cabinet members to work on:

ASSIGNMENTS:
* Establish relations with British parallel government (Darknovae)
* Form a new Iraq Study Group (Posi, TSI)
* Continue development of energy policy (Sel Appa, Mirkana, Wozzinistan)

Lastly, there were several items we did not get a chance to discuss in depth, or at least not in enough depth to make a serious recommendation to Congress. They will be at the top of the agenda for the next Cabinet meeting, to be held as soon as Congress completes its legislation on the above issues.

DELAYED (pending further discussion):
* Union deregulation
* Ginnie Mae debt forgiveness
* Living wages
* Employee self-management
* Socialized medicine
* Defense budget

If we cut into the defense budget, then we'll have to decrease the military. We cannot afford that right now, espically since we are in two wars. I think we should set this issues aside until we at least get out of Iraq.

Let's see what the Iraq study group has to say.

Reminder: discussion closes in five minutes.

Good work everybody. We got more done in two hours than the Bush Adminsitration has all term.

Have we established diplomatic ties with the Darknovae government?

Reminder: discussion closes in five minutes.

Impressive work people. Thirty-thousand times faster than policy makers in any other government in the world...

Good work everybody. We got more done in two hours than the Bush Adminsitration has all term.
What I find funny is what I said when I first requested the Vice Presidency:

I call veep! Mainly so's I don't have to do anything.

Go figure...

Have we established diplomatic ties with the Darknovae government?
Oops, should've clarified that. I meant that the assignment of establishing ties with the BPG (British parallel government) went to Darknovae, the "Requisite British Lap-dog" (British ambassador).

Alright everyone, good work. The First Cabinet Meeting is now officially closed.

Now, before I submit these recommendations to Congress, I have a question: do you think we should keep all parallel US government activity in this thread, or make a new one for each major activity (Cabinet meetings, Congressional debates, etc.)? God knows these uber-long threads become difficult to keep up with, but I don't want to be labeled a spammer, either.

Also, when I say "Congress", I mean the Congressional leaders that have been chosen so far. They are:

President Pro Tempore: Jello Biafra
Speaker of the House: Neo Undelia
Senate Minority Leader: Eugene Victor Debs
House Minority Leader: Soheran

As an independent branch, they are free to debate the recommended actions, amend them, and hold a vote on each. With four appointed members, this is obviously an imperfect representation of reality, but it's the best I can think of at the moment.

Alright everyone, good work. The First Cabinet Meeting is now officially closed.

Now, before I submit these recommendations to Congress, I have a question: do you think we should keep all parallel US government activity in this thread, or make a new one for each major activity (Cabinet meetings, Congressional debates, etc.)? God knows these uber-long threads become difficult to keep up with, but I don't want to be labeled a spammer, either.

I think new ones each time, but all between chatter should be on the last posted tread. That way we should avoid being labled spammers.

Have we established diplomatic ties with the Darknovae government?

NS married to her

Alright, here's what I'll do:

* Each new major action will have its own thread
* The previous thread's discussion will be closed
* Ongoing discussion will migrate to each new thread
* The OP of each of these threads will contain links to previous threads for reference

How's that?

Alright, here's what I'll do:

* Each new major action will have its own thread
* The previous thread's discussion will be closed
* Ongoing discussion will migrate to each new thread
* The OP of each of these threads will contain links to previous threads for reference

How's that?

Sounds good. You're going to have a fight with Congress over some issues. 3/4's of them are libertarian socialists.

Alright, here's what I'll do:

* Each new major action will have its own thread
* The previous thread's discussion will be closed
* Ongoing discussion will migrate to each new thread
* The OP of each of these threads will contain links to previous threads for reference

How's that?

Sounds good. Only thing is you'll have to record all the links.

I say we make a new thread for every meeting.

Alright... making a Congress thread now...

Sounds good. You're going to have a fight with Congress over some issues. 3/4's of them are libertarian socialists.

Who? Out of interest?

Who? Out of interest?

The general populus of NSG maybe?

i need to be head of DEA as well as Black Ops

The general populus of NSG maybe?

Ok. Agreed in general.

I just wondered which out of the four were libertarian socialists...

Dammit, I missed the meeting.

What happened, and what do I need to do?

Ok. Agreed in general.

I just wondered which out of the four were libertarian socialists...All of us except for Neo Undelia, though he is slowly moving further left...

Il me faut BUMP!

Il me faut BUMP!
If you're going to bump something, bump the Parallel Congress thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508662). This thread is technically closed (the Cabinet meeting's over), and we can't undertake new action until Congress actually votes on the measures we proposed.