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well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?

little correction...i mean the freedom's and government style...culture and things like that...not the frikin shrubs....ok...another little clerification...you guys arent getting it...i'm talking about culture and freedoms...not bush...im not asking you to die for bush or blair or fox or whoever...your country''s people, culture and freedoms...comprende?

Nope ... I dont mind contributing and I may sacrifice my life for my friends and family maybe freedom but not for a political structure in and of itself

Friends and family. Without question.

The shrub and company? No.

I'll relate a short story:

Phone rings

I answer

Army Recruiter: Hey, can I speak to Jon Doe?
Me: Nope, not home.
Army: Well, who am I talking to?
Me: Jon Smith.
Army: Have you ever taken the ASVAB (Whatever that damn proficiency test was)
Me: Yes.
Army: Do you remember your score?
Me: Round about 90.
Army: Wow, would you like to talk about joining the Army?
Me: I'll be honest. I'd die for my country, but I would not die for this administration.
Army: Oh.
>click<

To save my family? Yes..To save this nation..no

No.

well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?

little correction...i mean the freedom's and government style...culture and things like that...not the frikin shrubs....ok...another little clerification...you guys arent getting it...i'm talking about culture and freedoms...not bush...im not asking you to die for bush or blair or fox or whoever...your country''s people, culture and freedoms...comprende?


The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his. ~George Patton

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his. ~George Patton

What he said:p

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

That's generally my feel on the matter. I'd rather not die for my country, but I'd wipe the floor with the other poor dumb bastards.

No, not on purpose, but if I trip over a mine or something why not.

For my country? No.

For the lives and welfare of others? If I had the courage to, yes.

Probably not considering that I would probably be more useful alive than dead, but if I didn't have much of a choice, then I probably would.

For my country? No.

For the lives and welfare of others? If I had the courage to, yes.

and just which country is yours?


personally i would die for america, israel and probably the UK just because i respect those countries so much. more their people and culture than their governments, though.

I don't understand why people are so dedicated to certain borders and boundaries. They all change over time, so why be a fool and die for something that will be gone in a century or two?

No.

I really don't care for the thing in particular. There are days when I'd rather trade it in for a less idiotic model.

No, never.

Maybe against it, for myself.
Maybe against invaders, for myself.
Never for it.

Would I die to preserve or expand the freedoms of myself & others? Yups.
Would I die to serve people that think they own the land I & others live on, and have the nerve to presume they "grant" us some limited amount of freedom? Nope. Not in a billion years. I would die to utterly destroy every last one of the assholes, only it would accomplish nothing at the present.

OP; governments & countries are the antithesis of freedom & justice. Whether it's called Burma or America makes no difference in the grand scale of things. One is simply a slightly less malevolent master than the other.

Let's build our communities around free association & mutualism, instead of all this authoritarian crap. Neither you nor your master will ever be as fit to govern me as I am, and the opposite is equally true.

NO FUCKING CHANCEl

I have sworn an oath to Fight, Kill, and Die in the name of the constitution of the United States, and I'd damn well be proud to do all three if asked.

Note. I am not a right wing conservative. I hate the Bush Admin and the current state of American politics. Reps and Dems fucking suck so much it aint even funny, this goes beyond politics...

Depends.
I wont die 'fighting for my country' in some hellhole an ocean away which, although possessed of an increadily cruel and ruthless dictator, most likely only had the most vauge and silly plans to cause harm to the United States.

I will, however, happily die defending my country from an invasion, especially if its like Red Dawn and I get to be famous afterwards.
Although I dont think the Soviets would last very long here in Arid Zone A. They would get one dose of cholla and run back to the Motherland, IMO.
All cactii are bastards, but cholla are bastard sons of bastard sons. Im willing to bet that any invader who tried to occupy Arizona would be suffering lots of casualties simply from people who get a cholla pod stuck to their uniform and try to pull it off with their hands.
Im sure thats part of the invasion defence plan. The enemy runs up against a solid wall of Cholla running from the Mexican border to North Dakota. That would send me screaming for home >_>

Probably not.

The only time I can see myself joining the military to go off to war would be for ideological reason, for example if some sort of fascist, racist or theocratic army invaded.

But in that case I wouldn't really be dying for the country, I'd be dying for a way of life, so to speak.

Would I die to preserve or expand the freedoms of myself & others? Yups.
Would I die to serve people that think they own the land I & others live on, and have the nerve to presume they "grant" us some limited amount of freedom? Nope. Not in a billion years. I would die to utterly destroy every last one of the assholes, only it would accomplish nothing at the present.

OP; governments & countries are the antithesis of freedom & justice. Whether it's called Burma or America makes no difference in the grand scale of things. One is simply a slightly less malevolent master than the other.

Let's build our communities around free association & mutualism, instead of all this authoritarian crap. Neither you nor your master will ever be as fit to govern me as I am, and the opposite is equally true.

My sentiments exactly.

I won't die for my country....I will probably take that risk if I feel that there is a significant/existential threat to my country..as in somebody invades or if my country invades other country in response to what I would agree as a reasonable casus belli...

I actually went to the local army office to ask about volunteering during the Kargil war....the officer there laughed at me and said they have enough jawans (foot soldiers) but not enough officers so he said I would be better off completing my engineering and then think about this. :p

Sure I would.

I would die for the US Nation. Not the Government, not the Administration, but for the ideals of the United States. I would bleed endless gallons for these ideals, and for the rights we have. I would never fight or die because the government told me to, but because of my undying love for the ideals set forth so long ago, and what I believe they represent.

However, due to the fact that I disagree with so much of the Administration and the Government, I would never joined the armed forces(unless it was for a cause I truly believe in).

Sure I would.


Just like that? Why?

well...would you?

Not only no, but fuck no.

I wouldn't even pretend to respect a people who elected George W. Bush twice.

No way - my life is worthier to me than any country.

To protect the family - perhaps, if it would help anything.

yes, i would gladly die for my country, even through all of the bi-partisaning of the last century of so because of the hundreds of thousands of Americans before me that lost their lives for their country.

Not only no, but fuck no.

I wouldn't even pretend to respect a people who elected George W. Bush twice.

Aww thats my Keru with such a bright and lovely answer! :D

Aww thats my Keru with such a bright and lovely answer! :D

This country's gonna have to do a lot to regain my trust. :p

This country's gonna have to do a lot to regain my trust. :p

No kidding, I accept nothing shy of a BJ from uncle sam if they want me to serve in the armed forces :p

What is "die for your country" supposed to mean? If you die in what you do for your country or whoever/whatever, then you don't do a good job and probably deserve to die. Dying isn't a good concept to achieve anything.

well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?

little correction...i mean the freedom's and government style...culture and things like that...not the frikin shrubs....ok...another little clerification...you guys arent getting it...i'm talking about culture and freedoms...not bush...im not asking you to die for bush or blair or fox or whoever...your country''s people, culture and freedoms...comprende?

War isn't about dying for one's country... it's about making the other bastard die for his.

well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?

little correction...i mean the freedom's and government style...culture and things like that...not the frikin shrubs....ok...another little clerification...you guys arent getting it...i'm talking about culture and freedoms...not bush...im not asking you to die for bush or blair or fox or whoever...your country''s people, culture and freedoms...comprende?

If my country was invaded then I would probably be willing to die to protect my family and so indirectly die for my country.

War isn't about dying for one's country... it's about making the other bastard die for his.Here speaks the Christian...

If my country was invaded then I would probably be willing to die to protect my family and so indirectly die for my country.Your family is indirectly your country? How does your death possibly protect your family?

Here speaks the Christian...

Christian, me?

Christian, me?I thought. All your love and compassion for foreigners....

To die for our Lord? NO.
But if you need a sniper to shoot some bastards count me in.

I thought. All your love and compassion for foreigners....

Hehehehe.

I have a simple rule in life.

If people are coming to inflict violence on you - kill you, enslave you, rob you, whatever such, any kind of violence like that - you have the right to kill them or do any other violence on them.

If people are coming to inflict an act of aggression on other people, they forfeit their right to life, and it's anybody's right to go and kill the aggressor, shoot at him, beat him up, whatever.

If people are coming to do this to your loved ones, then it is also your duty to defend them.

No, I do not believe in 'laws of war'.

If a person is coming to kill you, it's okay to kill him - with ordinary bullets, hollowpoints, landmines, whatever. Just try not to harm civilians and innocents while you're at it.

well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?

little correction...i mean the freedom's and government style...culture and things like that...not the frikin shrubs....ok...another little clerification...you guys arent getting it...i'm talking about culture and freedoms...not bush...im not asking you to die for bush or blair or fox or whoever...your country''s people, culture and freedoms...comprende?
I would die for the Glorious Militairy Might of the Nation Andorra! Viva Andorra!

Hehehehe.

I have a simple rule in life.

If people are coming to inflict violence on you - kill you, enslave you, rob you, whatever such, any kind of violence like that - you have the right to kill them or do any other violence on them.

If people are coming to inflict an act of aggression on other people, they forfeit their right to life, and it's anybody's right to go and kill the aggressor, shoot at him, beat him up, whatever.

If people are coming to do this to your loved ones, then it is also your duty to defend them.

No, I do not believe in 'laws of war'.

If a person is coming to kill you, it's okay to kill him - with ordinary bullets, hollowpoints, landmines, whatever. Just try not to harm civilians and innocents while you're at it.What if you and your country is the aggressor?

well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?

little correction...i mean the freedom's and government style...culture and things like that...not the frikin shrubs....ok...another little clerification...you guys arent getting it...i'm talking about culture and freedoms...not bush...im not asking you to die for bush or blair or fox or whoever...your country''s people, culture and freedoms...comprende?

I'd stay alive and help to protect it in wise methods....

To say you are willing and prepared to die for your country without having faced a situation where you are able to/ forced to is mainly boasting without knowing what one is talking about. I believe that if push would come to shove, I would stand at least a chance of being able to handle myself, and would try to sacrifice myself. There always is the matter of context though. If one was coming with the intent to 'liberate', meaning to keep infrastructure, culture and human rights intact, I would have significantly more of a problem fighting the so called 'invader' than I would have when the invading army consists of raving lunatics trying to destroy everything around me and impose a totalitarian government that revokes all my rights of living.

Context, and subtleties.

I'd be in Canada before the Andorran forces even landed.

I'd be in Canada before the Andorran forces even landed.
You can't run forever, eventually the Andorran Grand Armée will come your way.

You can't run forever, eventually the Andorran Grand Armée will come your way.

That's what collaboration is for.

That's what collaboration is for.

Traitor. *Bitch slaps*

I do not wish to die for my country. I wish to serve it all the days of my life, and serve it well, for it is my home, the only ground truly sacred to me. I have been brought up well, with great opprotunities and I would support the interests of that country that served me so well, that it might serve others well to. And if I came upon a situation where I could influence my country's ways, I would try my utmost to influence them for the better, that the country could serve others as it has served me. Should my death be neccesary to secure the interests of this beloved nation of mine, I would gladly give it, but I should prefer to keep on serving in life, where my service can do its greatest good.

Traitor. *Bitch slaps*

I'd be in Canada, yet not a citizen, meaning that I could not commit treason.

What if you and your country is the aggressor?

'Don't participate unless you're really sure there's a really good reason' seems to be a good rule of thumb.

Nö.

There are handpicked people I'd die for. SOME of my family, and SOME of my friends. I'd not die for a concept, and if I liked the other country better and they offered me the possibility of going over to their side, especially for a goodly amount of money, I'd gladly work to them (Japan or France over Brazil, which is my country, for example). If I felt neutral towards the other country or liked neither one better (Brazil vs. Portugal, Brazil vs. Mexico), I'd follow whoever gave me more money. And if I actually liked my country better than the aggressor (Brazil vs. Burma, Brazil vs. the US, that has a too-conservative government), THEN I'd fight the aggressor, but I'm much smarter than the average soldier, thus I'd not be dying: They'd be killing themselves around me over unfounded treason accusations.

I'd die for what I love

no, especially not with that uber-conservative bastard kaczynski leading it.

not on your nelly. although if my town was overrun by aome oppresive power i would fight in the resistance.

Absolutely, I believe in having to make sacrifices for Freedom. Let Freedom Ring!!! :)

reasonable casus belli ...


A reasonable excuse? Pray tell, what is a reasonable excuse for war? :D

"Causa belli" is a Latin CONSTRUCTION. Rather than taking on the literal meaning (cause), it takes on the meaning of excuse. So the "causa belli" for the Trojan War, for example, was that the Trojan king stole the Greek queen. (The REAL reason, of course, was much more logistic.)

You made a simple translation error. No biggie.

War isn't about dying for one's country... it's about making the other bastard die for his.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11996973&postcount=7

Beat you to it. :D

well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?

little correction...i mean the freedom's and government style...culture and things like that...not the frikin shrubs....ok...another little clerification...you guys arent getting it...i'm talking about culture and freedoms...not bush...im not asking you to die for bush or blair or fox or whoever...your country''s people, culture and freedoms...comprende?

I don't own a country...

Nope I would prefer my country to die for me.

If love is blind patriotism is missing all five senses.

well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?

little correction...i mean the freedom's and government style...culture and things like that...not the frikin shrubs....ok...another little clerification...you guys arent getting it...i'm talking about culture and freedoms...not bush...im not asking you to die for bush or blair or fox or whoever...your country''s people, culture and freedoms...comprende?

The US is invaded, lets say. And the enemy is rolling down my street with tanks, helicopters, machineguns, etc. What am I going to do?

Give them the worst damn Guerrilla War they've ever seen.

No.

I wouldn't fight for my country, I'd fight for my own area and my relatives. If that helps my country - fine. If not - oh well.

i hate those fucking andorrans.

if they come marching up the rio grande they are going to have a hell of time getting past ...well ok they are going have a hell of a time getting past el paso texas but if they come up into new mexico and get past socorro, i fully expect some big thinker in albuquerque to nuke them. if that means im incinerated, then so be it.

if some collaborator at sandia labs or los alamos national lab locks out those nukes, then ill happily blow myself up while offering chocolate cookies to the local andorran garrison.

I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO THOSE ANDORRAN BASTARDS!

but if the government should suggest that keeping our way of life is only possible by the invasion and subjection of canada, they can take a hike, im not interested.

Yes I definitely would. However I put my faith above all else.

Not in a million fuckin' years.

No. I'd fight for myself. My country isn't important. I am, and my family is. I'll fight to maintain a decent standard of living for myself and my family, but I certainly wouldn't fight for democracy or whatever.

I would definetely die for both America and South Korea.




Definetely.

As my heores have done, men like Gandhi, MLK and JFK, though I would rather live on, if defense of my beliefs requires the sacrifice of my life, so be it.

I'm sure someone pointed out that the proper strategy is to make the other person die for his country.
I'm not even much inclined to live for my country, let alone die for it.

Not by any choosing of mine. I might fight for it but I'd rather steer clear of dying for an idea and a land mass.

As many have already stated the object in war is not to die for your country but to make the other poor bastard die for his.

Personally I feel I would be more useful to my country alive than dead, but if necessary I would pay the ultimate sacrifice, as I feel that there is no greater honor than the privledge of serving my country.

To all Americans who answered no. I am ashamed to call you countrymen. Apathy like yours will kill this nation

As many have already stated the object in war is not to die for your country but to make the other poor bastard die for his.

Personally I feel I would be more useful to my country alive than dead, but if necessary I would pay the ultimate sacrifice, as I feel that there is no greater honor than the privledge of serving my country.

To all Americans who answered no. I am ashamed to call you countrymen. Apathy like yours will kill this nation

How does my answer sit with you?

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To all Americans who answered no. I am ashamed to call you countrymen. Apathy like yours will kill this nation[/QUOTE]

Hey, I'll FIGHT for my country once we get into a war against someone who deserves it. I'll fight to take down a nation of rabid child molestin', gun totin', racist, baby eatin' nutsos.


But since we probably won't get into another war with the south anytime soon...

well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?

little correction...i mean the freedom's and government style...culture and things like that...not the frikin shrubs....ok...another little clerification...you guys arent getting it...i'm talking about culture and freedoms...not bush...im not asking you to die for bush or blair or fox or whoever...your country''s people, culture and freedoms...comprende?

i would to protect family,friends,freedom and country..in that order.

simply no. I'm rather like the average person in medieval times (before nationalism was nurtured by those in power to get people to die for their extra profit/power): I like it where i live (direct vicinity) but anything bigger like the abstract notion of a nation is just nothing to me.

I've only got one life and i intend on making full use of it. This doesn't mean i'll never risk my life, but the greater the risk, the greater the 'profit': If an invading force is known to destroy most of what they conquer and the people living in those areas end up in a very bad situation i'll fight - if the occupation gives only minor problems i don't see a point in fighting.

simply no. I'm rather like the average person in medieval times (before nationalism was nurtured by those in power to get people to die for their extra profit/power): I like it where i live (direct vicinity) but anything bigger like the abstract notion of a nation is just nothing to me.

I've only got one life and i intend on making full use of it. This doesn't mean i'll never risk my life, but the greater the risk, the greater the 'profit': If an invading force is known to destroy most of what they conquer and the people living in those areas end up in a very bad situation i'll fight - if the occupation gives only minor problems i don't see a point in fighting.


you could always join a resistance movement,your not under direct fire,but can nip at the heels of your invader without much personal involvement or risk.

Die for my country? Hell no.
Make some one else die for his? Maybe.

Die for my country? Hell no.
Make some one else die for his? Maybe.

patton?

i can agree with that sentiment.

Hey, I'll FIGHT for my country once we get into a war against someone who deserves it. I'll fight to take down a nation of rabid child molestin', gun totin', racist, baby eatin' nutsos.


But since we probably won't get into another war with the south anytime soon...

and if we get into a fight with north korea or iran, two nations poised on developing true intercontinental ballistic missiles?

their true goal now is to get into a fight with the west, regardless of cost... and, if they dont attack the west, theres the inevitability of another war between north and south korea, primarily due to the instability of the northern communist economy. what then?

Die for my country? Hell no.
Make some one else die for his? Maybe.

Ah, the true American spirit.

"I sure as hell won't. Make someone else do if for me."

I might die for it myself, but I wouldn't kill anyone else for it, so that would be pretty useless...

Ah, the true American spirit.

"I sure as hell won't. Make someone else do if for me."


i think you missed the meaning of the quote my friend.

what was meant was...it would be better to kill your enemy,rather then die for your country.

or something along those lines...

makes sense to me....why die for your country when you can kill your enemy...you know,make him die for his country!

jeez,i thought the world thought of us as crazy cowboys going in with guns blazing...that does not fit with the quote too well now does it?:sniper:

What is it with you Americans being so obsessed with dying for your country? What is so glorious about death?

i think you missed the meaning of the quote my friend.

what was meant was...it would be better to kill your enemy,rather then die for your country.

or something along those lines...

makes sense to me....why die for your country when you can kill your enemy...you know,make him die for his country!

jeez,i thought the world thought of us as crazy cowboys going in with guns blazing...that does not fit with the quote too well now does it?:sniper:

hm.

i guess i did miss the meaning of your statement. i see now.

What is it with you Americans being so obsessed with dying for your country? What is so glorious about death?

You underestimate the American heritage of stupidity.

You underestimate the American heritage of stupidity.

You believe in the inherancy of American stupidity or simply that dying for your country is stupid?

Why is it that dying for our country is stupid but there are peoples dying in other countries for religions or simply tribal factions (especially, of course, in the Middle East)? Isn't this "stupid" as well?

And what is stupid about the protection of one's country through the sacrifice of lives willing to protect their country?

What is it with you Americans being so obsessed with dying for your country? What is so glorious about death?

My guess is, too much Hollywood-inspired patriotism. *shrugs*

You believe in the inherancy of American stupidity or simply that dying for your country is stupid?

Why is it that dying for our country is stupid but there are peoples dying in other countries for religions or simply tribal factions (especially, of course, in the Middle East)? Isn't this "stupid" as well?

What, would you call it a wise choice?


And what is stupid about the protection of one's country through the sacrifice of lives willing to protect their country?

First of all, I don't believe in the concept of a "country". And if I did, I still wouldn't own one to die for. So the concept does seem a bit... odd.

You do of course know that country is an illusion in this world there is land there is water there is air and there is what is beyond that air we currintly know it as space, last time i looked i was human just like every other person on this planet it is goverments that start wars so clearly my Answere to this would be no, i dont live in a country i live on the land of this planet if i was a fish i would live in the water of this planet, Racism also stems from the actions of goverment.

You do of course know that country is an illusion in this world there is land there is water there is air and there is what is beyond that air we currintly know it as space, last time i looked i was human just like every other person on this planet it is goverments that start wars so clearly my Answere to this would be no, i dont live in a country i live on the land of this planet if i was a fish i would live in the water of this planet, Racism also stems from the actions of goverment.

protection and freedoms also stem from actions and government... whats your point? you would rather live in anarchy than under some form of self-government?

Freedoms do not come from goverment that is a lie protection comes from community not government also a lie to promote fear and allow them to go about starting wars rampantly.

Why is it that dying for our country is stupid but there are peoples dying in other countries for religions or simply tribal factions (especially, of course, in the Middle East)? Isn't this "stupid" as well?

Did anyone ever say that it wasn't?

Hehehehe.

I have a simple rule in life.

If people are coming to inflict on you - kill you, enslave you, rob you, whatever such, any kind of like that - you have the right to kill them or do any other on them.

If people are coming to inflict an act of aggression on other people, they forfeit their right to life, and it's anybody's right to go and kill the aggressor, shoot at him, beat him up, whatever.

If people are coming to do this to your loved ones, then it is also your duty to defend them.

No, I do not believe in 'laws of war'.

If a person is coming to kill you, it's okay to kill him - with ordinary bullets, hollowpoints, landmines, whatever. Just try not to harm civilians and s while you're at it.

I certainly agree with the philosophy you outlined, but honestly: Whoever heard of a major armed conflict that didn't end with thousands of civilians ?

I would certainly die while in uniform ( which i'm assuming is what is meant by 'die for one's country.') If my country's national security were immediately threatened. The trouble is, if the White House is to be believed( granted in most cases they are not), our troops are dying in order to bring about a pan-democratic new world order i.e. they are dying for democracy. That I would never do.

Hey, I'll FIGHT for my country once we get into a war against someone who deserves it. I'll fight to take down a nation of rabid child molestin', gun totin', racist, baby eatin' nutsos.


But since we probably won't get into another war with the south anytime soon...


OK, this is, bar none, the most ignorant post I've ever seen on NS General and that's including all the stuff MTAE puts out.

protection and freedoms also stem from actions and government... whats your point? you would rather live in anarchy than under some form of self-government?

Nope, they stem from society. If you take a close look at most constitutions in most countries on the planet right now, you'll find a good deal of legislation designed to protect the people from their government and to give them freedoms independent of government.

You underestimate the American heritage of stupidity.

whoa

i wouldnt call the american heritage of sacrifice stupidity.
following leaders blindly...perhaps

i certainly would not call the guys on omaha beach stupid,or cowards.

they sacrificed their lives to save many...while i would not want to die for others,they did it for honourable reasons,and for others.

i guess you could say it was stupidity..their deaths....but then again..war is stupidity..is it not?

things are different now,i think it is foolish to die for haliburton..for sure,but my son signed up,and i will support him no matter what the real reasons are....and will pray for his safe return.

would i fight for haliburton...fuck no!

the only way they would get me over there is to take my kids place.

that said,americans have a history of helping her allies(my grandfather got the cmh for actions in ww1)
my father got a purple heart for korea...still argueably legit wars..for others i might add...
now it is different.

so to say we have a history of stupidity is insulting,unless your point is..it is stupid to come to the aid of others.

myself..i am an isolationist,open trade...but screw your problems world.

we did it before..to help,and everyone hates us,so my attitude is stay the hell out of everyone's biz.

when it affects me..then i'll jump.

You do of course know that country is an illusion in this world there is land there is water there is air and there is what is beyond that air we currintly know it as space, last time i looked i was human just like every other person on this planet it is goverments that start wars so clearly my Answere to this would be no, i dont live in a country i live on the land of this planet if i was a fish i would live in the water of this planet, Racism also stems from the actions of goverment.

soooo if some ....neo-polpot invaded your country and started depopulating the cities and executing the intellectuals, you would just let it go because we're all human and the new country is as much an illusion as the old country was?

No. I most likely would not.

I'm not laying my life down on the line for an idealogy and landmass or their government. I'll defend the USA against teh ebil Andorranzzz, but avoid death at all costs.

soooo if some ....neo-polpot invaded your country and started depopulating the cities and executing the intellectuals, you would just let it go because we're all human and the new country is as much an illusion as the old country was?

That's not the question that was asked, was it?
The question was, would you die for your country, to which my answer remains a slightly bemused no.
Would I take action if I believed a government in a country where I live was violating other people's rights? I most certainly would. Violent actions? Unlikely.

What is it with you Americans being so obsessed with dying for your country? What is so glorious about death?

We have the largest ball of twine. What is not to die for?

What is it with you Americans being so obsessed with dying for your country? What is so glorious about death?

The Party hammers it into our heads at a young age.

That really depends do i live in that city that it is happening and can verifie that it is actully takeing place or do i just see the media telling me something thay want me to hear and thus cannot tell for certain if that is actully what is happening, the main media has become an arm of the goverment i cant say for certain what other media sites have been captured so i cant trust media in general.


What is a neo-polpot?

well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?
People always talk about the glory of dying for your country, but why never the "glory" of killing for your country?

It really depends on who the enemy in question is. I would kill and die to save my friends, family and other Irish civilians from being murdered.

What is a neo-polpot?

I think she's referring to Paul Pot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Pot)

There is only one thing I am willing to give my life for: PBJ muffins. And so long as the US government refuses to offer any types other than "blueberry", they're just fucked.

I see thank you for that bit of info.

And if i was in some way able to know for certain such actions were takeing place i more then likely would try to take the action that would end the fewest number of lives for both my community and theres as there is infact no need to fight and die there are other and better methods to resolveing a conflict then killing or dieing, now assumeing this hypothetical action were to take place then lets also say that hypothetically by then i have developed my non-traditional methods of healing to actully work by that time and as such would make a point of helping any injured persons by healing there wounds to the best of my ability of course i will never take up arms against another life, there are things in this world of increadible wonderment that im sure you cannot even begin to imagine as the statis of human life is vearly limited in its creativeity the possabilitys of what is actully possable have been so cut off from many because of this need to make everyone else ether into a slave or make them think like you do, well its not as bad as it used to be in some areas.

As General Patton would have put it, I'd rather make the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. But if it came down to it, I would, and preferably by taking as many of the enemy with me as I could.

How many times is that Patton quote gonna get dropped during the course of this thread?

Would I die for my country?

No, but I would die for the values for which it is fighting. Provided they are the correct values, of course.

That's not the question that was asked, was it?
The question was, would you die for your country, to which my answer remains a slightly bemused no.
Would I take action if I believed a government in a country where I live was violating other people's rights? I most certainly would. Violent actions? Unlikely.

no i think that IS the question. is there a circumstance that would lead you to be willing to lose your life for your country.

if a tyrant arose in poland the likes of pol pot who invades germany and starts killing german citizens would you just let it go? would you not want to go back and defend your country even at the risk of your own life?

for me, i would defend my country from all real risks.

Die for my country? Yes.

Die for my government. Hell fucking no! :mad:

You guys are funny, you talk as if you have an opinion/choice whether you fight for your country or not if it was attacked. Let me tell you something, Democratic or not, your government would give you a weapon and rush you to the front-line :D whether you want it or not. There are countries right now where from elderly to the young children are armed to the teeth fighting their foreign invaders today so take lessons from them.

You guys are funny, you talk as if you have an opinion/choice whether you fight for your country or not if it was attacked. Let me tell you something, Democratic or not, your government would give you a weapon and rush you to the front-line :D whether you want it or not. There are countries right now where from elderly to the young children are armed to the teeth fighting their foreign invaders today so take lessons from them.

There are ways to avoid the draft: jail. But if I disagree with my government enough to refuse to go to war, I ought to be willing to go to prison for it.

There are ways to avoid the draft: jail. But if I disagree with my government enough to refuse to go to war, I ought to be willing to go to prison for it.

Just how many of draft dodgers will fit in your jails until the government says, "just throw them to the enemy, and shoot them if they run back" just like what happen in Russia when it was fighting Nazi Germany.

Just how many of draft dodgers will fit in your jails until the government says, "just throw them to the enemy, and shoot them if they run back" just like what happen in Russia when it was fighting Nazi Germany.

Well, first, if I was refusing to fight for my own country, I would probably run toward the "enemy" And if I ran back, I ought to be willing to face the bullets, because by this point, I had better be sure that I would be indeniably in sin to fight for my country.

Resist the war and you're considered a traitor, join the other side and you would be considered as a spy (on the other side) so death lurks everywhere for your situation.

Resist the war and you're considered a traitor, join the other side and you would be considered as a spy (on the other side) so death lurks everywhere for your situation.

Then that must be God's plan for me. But I must follow His commands in Scripture, and if following those commands lead me to death, oh well for me.

The US is invaded, lets say. And the enemy is rolling down my street with tanks, helicopters, machineguns, etc. What am I going to do?

Give them the worst damn Guerrilla War they've ever seen.

I would also like to add that I don't plan on dying. I would however, send a lot of their sons home in coffins....or plastic bags from bombing them to pieces.

war is ungodly thing too, but human instincts kick in (ability to survive). Religion can be a driving force in wars sometimes as well, I don't have to explain myself as you probably already know.

No, I'm going to make the other poor bastard die for his.

To the original question.

Would I die for Canada?

No.

Would I die for my Cree nation?

Yes.

But I'd rather live for it.

I'd be willing to die fighting off a monstrous, murderous, torturing tyranny of fascism, Nazism or communism.

Only to fight and die for right.

To those who answered yes, I hope you are prepared for an eternity of nothing. And I mean absolutely nothing.

To those who answered yes, I hope you are prepared for an eternity of nothing. And I mean absolutely nothing.

How can you prepare for not existing?

How can you prepare for not existing?

Get really, really high.

i find it fascinating that there are so many on here that appear to be quite willing to be suicide bombers for their ideals of patriotism. more fascinating still that many of those same people condemn brown/muslim suicide bombers as cowardly lunatics. who would'a thunk it, really?

To those who answered yes, I hope you are prepared for an eternity of nothing. And I mean absolutely nothing.

whats that supposed to mean. does nationalsim mean nothing to you? does protection of culture freedoms and family mean nothing? how is sacrificing ones self for one's country in anyway a bad thing? dying for your country is probably one of the most honorable ways to go.

Die for my countries? Certainly not.
For other people of my countries? Maybe.

well...would you? say your country has been invaded by lets say...andorra. would you die to protect your country's interests? I'm an American and i love my country and yes i would die for it, what about the rest of you?

little correction...i mean the freedom's and government style...culture and things like that...not the frikin shrubs....ok...another little clerification...you guys arent getting it...i'm talking about culture and freedoms...not bush...im not asking you to die for bush or blair or fox or whoever...your country''s people, culture and freedoms...comprende?

I'm willing to die for causes. Not for countries.

whats that supposed to mean. does nationalsim mean nothing to you? does protection of culture freedoms and family mean nothing? how is sacrificing ones self for one's country in anyway a bad thing? dying for your country is probably one of the most honorable ways to go.

The terrors nationalism has caused are sickening to me.

no i think that IS the question. is there a circumstance that would lead you to be willing to lose your life for your country.

if a tyrant arose in poland the likes of pol pot who invades germany and starts killing german citizens would you just let it go? would you not want to go back and defend your country even at the risk of your own life?

for me, i would defend my country from all real risks.

Er... why would I do that? I'd ask my family and friends to get out of there and to a safe place, and I'd help them as best I could. Same as I have and will continue to help other people from all over the world to find a save place to live. But I don't want to go back to Germany right now, so why would I want to if someone invades the place? :confused:

I would also like to add that I don't plan on dying. I would however, send a lot of their sons home in coffins....or plastic bags from bombing them to pieces.

i too will do that if that happens to my nation

whats that supposed to mean. does nationalsim mean nothing to you? does protection of culture freedoms and family mean nothing? how is sacrificing ones self for one's country in anyway a bad thing? dying for your country is probably one of the most honorable ways to go.

What's so honorable about it? How can you defend what your nation stands for by dying? Surely, staying alive is the best way to preserve your heritage?

What's so honorable about it? How can you defend what your nation stands for by dying? Surely, staying alive is the best way to preserve your heritage?

and what is so dishonourable about dying for ones country?

and by dying for ones country, one doesnt simply mean "dying" outright and doing nothing. so many people have lost their lives in conflicts abroad and even in america. the question is: would you die doing something to help or save or better, etc. etc., your country?

and what is so dishonourable about dying for ones country?

and by dying for ones country, one doesnt simply mean "dying" outright and doing nothing. so many people have lost their lives in conflicts abroad and even in america. the question is: would you die doing something to help or save or better, etc. etc., your country?

I still don't get it... why would people want to die to save political institutions?
I'd help people, and I don't really care what country they were born in.

I still don't get it... why would people want to die to save political institutions?
I'd help people, and I don't really care what country they were born in.

because without political institution, there would be anarchy. absolute lack of law and regime.

because without political institution, there would be anarchy. absolute lack of law and regime.

Political institutions have a habit of re-forming themselves quickly after having been overthrown. Why bother?

Political institutions have a habit of re-forming themselves quickly after having been overthrown. Why bother?

yer they do, but its just the way some people are

for me i dont like the way i live to change because someone says i cant live my way, thats way i would fight

and what is so dishonourable about dying for ones country?

and by dying for ones country, one doesnt simply mean "dying" outright and doing nothing. so many people have lost their lives in conflicts abroad and even in america. the question is: would you die doing something to help or save or better, etc. etc., your country?

I never said that it was dishonorable. I just said there was nothing honorable about it.

If someone invaded Denmark I'd get the hell outta here and go somewhere else. And I'd carry a small part of Denmark and Danish ideals within me. And I'd still be alive to tell others about them.

What good is ideals if you're not around to live by them and tell others about them?

So no, I would never die for anything. I'm worth much more alive than dead.

Political institutions have a habit of re-forming themselves quickly after having been overthrown. Why bother?

and my stomach has a habit of telling me im hungry a while after i eat. whats your point?

yer they do, but its just the way some people are

for me i dont like the way i live to change because someone says i cant live my way, thats way i would fight

I fought against many of the political institutions of my native country to be able to live the way I want, so I fail to see the point in fighting for them all of a sudden. *shrugs*

and my stomach has a habit of telling me im hungry a while after i eat. whats your point?

I don't know, what's yours? :confused:

I don't know, what's yours? :confused:

my point is, yes, i would die for my country, as have thousands before us.

I fought against many of the political institutions of my native country to be able to live the way I want, so I fail to see the point in fighting for them all of a sudden. *shrugs*

i fight for me and my family if it happens to in the army it be for what i just said,i dont care for political shit

my point is, yes, i would die for my country, as have thousands before us.

What, cause you're hungry? :confused:

and what is so dishonourable about dying for ones country?Nothing, it's just a useless waste of life.

and by dying for ones country, one doesnt simply mean "dying" outright and doing nothing. so many people have lost their lives in conflicts abroad and even in america. the question is: would you die doing something to help or save or better, etc. etc., your country?The most basic function of countries & governments, is to limit the autonomy of a group of human beings. In all honesty, the idea of "bettering" such monstrosities is oxymoronic.

But hey, I'd die to free us of all that authoritarian shite.

if some ask me if i would die to save the world i would say yes
would you

Nothing, it's just a useless waste of life.

The most basic function of countries & governments, is to limit the autonomy of a group of human beings. In all honesty, the idea of "bettering" such monstrosities is oxymoronic.

But hey, I'd die to free us of all that authoritarian shite.

id honestly love to throw a quote from Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes about a centrist government somewhere in here, but its 12:21 in the morning now...

Lets see. i hate my country, i hate my goverment, i hate the laws, i hate the local slang, i hate my climate i hate my school system and i want to move to New Zealand.

Does that answer your question?


Patriotism sucks in my country

Why could not i be born as an white-ass British

Yea, if Italy was invaded, I'd probabily volunteer for the army (or become an insurgent), and risking being killed is a part of it.

Would i dive on a grenade to save my Platoon?
Sure.

Don't ask me why the Platoon was so tightly packed though.>.<
Yes i would.

Would i dive on a grenade to save my Platoon?
Sure.

Don't ask me why the Platoon was so tightly packed though.>.<
Yes i would.

*moves my Platoon away from Harlesburg Platoon *

Depends why we were being invaded. If we began the Global Australian World Hegemony plot too early and launched our hidden nukes at everyone, the enemy invasion would probably be justified and I'd hide in my house and hope not to get blown up. If it was a war where we were being aggressively attacked threat by a government which would create a poorer standard of living for the people, I'd fight. I'm a cowardly wuss, so I'd try to help in whatever way I can without being shot at, but at least if it was a question of defending our freedoms and standards of living I'd bite the bullet (ha, ha...) and run the risk of dying.

Depends why we were being invaded. If we began the Global Australian World Hegemony plot too early and launched our hidden nukes at everyone, the enemy invasion would probably be justified and I'd hide in my house and hope not to get blown up. If it was a war where we were being aggressively attacked threat by a government which would create a poorer standard of living for the people, I'd fight. I'm a cowardly wuss, so I'd try to help in whatever way I can without being shot at, but at least if it was a question of defending our freedoms and standards of living I'd bite the bullet (ha, ha...) and run the risk of dying.

we are not planing to take over the world this person is nuts

*goes back to reading the ATW plans * :)

Would I die as a puppet soldier for the US in yet another of their ideological adventures in Korea, Vietnam or Iraq? no.

Would I die for British imperialism, fighting against the Boers or Turks? no.

Would I die to defend East Timor's sovereignty, or even to stop war crimes in a Rwanda? no.

But if I were alive during the Japanese bombing of Darwin, where more bombs were dropped then at Pearl Harbour; when there was a genuine threat of Australia being invaded? I would have no hesitation in enlisting.

So to answer the question, yes I would fight, and possibly die, for my country. But generally our leaders don't ask us to fight for Australia, they ask us to fight for Britain or the US or some other far away land.

Whats the big deal about dying for your country? Surely staying and alive and fighting for it is alot more useful

Whats the big deal about dying for your country? Surely staying and alive and fighting for it is alot more useful

Yes, ut the point is that you'll get shot, 'naded, hit by a tank, bombed, etc. at some point. The dying part is just asking if you are ready to die while in the line of duty.

as, i think it was a charicter in a story by either john shirley or robert silverberg, i'm no longer positive which, once said:"no gypsy ever died willingly for a cause".

(not that i have any rom blood in me that i know of)

i've lived my entire 58 years in the u.s. and the only time i've ever not been ashaimed of it, or the only time i ever came close to not being ashaimed of it, was under jimi carter's presidency.

i'd die for the immaginary country inside my head if i thought dieing for it would do anyone any good.

but i doubt very much that any amount of killing and dieing has ever made anyone freeer, happier, or in most cases kept them alive. i say most cases because indeed there are and can and undoubtly will, be cited exceptions.

wars are fought by the many for the few, and when the fighting's over, the many still get screwed.

let me put that another way:

the only revolution that does anyone any good is in the core values of society. the only thing that killing and tearing things up can be counted upon to accomplish is a lot of dead people and torn up crap.

whatever anyone gets out of killing (and dieing in battle) and tearing things up (as in destroying another nation's infrastructure and civilian populations, as has been america's policy toward any nation that doesn't kiss america's economic ass), i for one, would rather in a world of unpretentious living surrounded by big mazelike gardens (in turn surrounded by forrest) and little people sized trains winding their way through them.

the clear and present danger to the future of the human species isn't weapons of mass destruction, "terrorism", or some kind of religeous mumbo jumbo, but the use of combustion to generate energy and propell transportation, an out of control expansion of human population, and the destruction of natural habitat. most if not all, driven by a culture of trying to impress each other. which gratifies absolutely nothing.

hell no, i would not choose willingly to die in order to line the pockets of bectel and halliburton, and get kicked in the ass as my reward for doing so.

i may be nuts, but i'm not that nuts.

=^^=
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Yeah, I'd definitely die for my home country, the good ol' US of A, and the ideals which it represents. Never for bush though.

In Soviet Russia, country dies for you!

In Soviet Russia, country dies for you!

In Soviet Russia, THREAD wins YOU! :D

In Soviet Russia, country dies for you!

no you die for the state or the state kills you or in Russian

нет Вы не умираете для государства(состояния), или государство(состояние) убивает Вас

How many times is that Patton quote gonna get dropped during the course of this thread?

OK, here's a quote you've probably never seen:

"Then out spake brave Horatius,
The Captain of the Gate:
""To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods
....""

Macaulay, "Horatius", v. 27

*moves my Platoon away from Harlesburg Platoon *
You just moved into machinegun fire, firing on fixed lines!:eek:

You just moved into machinegun fire, firing on fixed lines!:eek:

and you made us do it
those who got killed are so going to hunt you for now on

Honestly if the United States were invaded by a foreign power "unlikely at the moment, maybe in fifty years", then I would gladly take to arms to defend my country. Any other circumstance than a direct invasion, I would not. I love my country and I would die for it, but dont expect me to sacrifice myself for your country or war of the week.

and you made us do it
those who got killed are so going to hunt you for now on
The dead are going to hunt me or haunt me?
I guess they could do both.
*Resigns the commision he never had*

The dead are going to hunt me or haunt me?
I guess they could do both.
*Resigns the commision he never had*

i was going for hunt as they be pissed off with you
but what you said is all so good

*lives takes out MG nest and gets VC metal*

I could think of theoretical countries I’d be willing to die for, but none currently could inspire me to do so.