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I just found out that Murray Bookchin passed away earlier this year in June. Another leftist gone, and it always seems like there is not another person carrying on the fight.

Well, he's in the Great Libertarian Commune in the sky now. :(

EDIT: Now I know that almost no one cares

Well, it's a shame that he's dead, but he had a good run.

EDIT: Now I know that almost no one cares
Would it make you feel better if I guessed that "nobody cared" because most people don't know who he was?
I, for one, don't.
So it's ignorance rather than callousness.

Well, it's a shame that he's dead, but he had a good run.

Yeah. 70 years is a long time to be a radical, but he's made an impact. My concern is that, like so often, there is no one to carry on his unfinished work.

Would it make you feel better if I guessed that "nobody cared" because most people don't know who he was?
I, for one, don't.
So it's ignorance rather than callousness.

Well, Milton Friedman practically got a 21 gun salute when he died. I guess it seems that all things are not equal in the domain of public conciousness. I just learned today that he died.

Well, Milton Friedman practically got a 21 gun salute when he died. I guess it seems that all things are not equal in the domain of public conciousness. I just learned today that he died.
Nope, never were.

Well, Milton Friedman practically got a 21 gun salute when he died. I guess it seems that all things are not equal in the domain of public conciousness. I just learned today that he died.
To be fair, I learned about Milton Friedman's death before it hit the newswire, so that's why it ended up on NSG so early.

To be fair, I learned about Milton Friedman's death before it hit the newswire, so that's why it ended up on NSG so early.

I'm not criticising you for reporting Friedman's death, I'm lamenting the fact that so few people seem to care.

I'm not criticising you for reporting Friedman's death, I'm lamenting the fact that so few people seem to care.
I didn't think you were. I just meant that the speed at which this forum learned of Friedman's death was substantially accelerated, so that might not be the best comparison.

I'm not criticising you for reporting Friedman's death, I'm lamenting the fact that so few people seem to care.

It's what people do best - not give a flying rat's ass about shit that means squat to them.

I care about Murray Bookchin, insofar as I rejoice in his death. The world doesn't need more people who subject our citizens to insidiously false notions about the world which would result in the destruction of our country and our economy. Luckily, leftist views are dying around the world, even in Latin America. There won't be many people to take his place, thank God. I don't have anything against the man, just his diabolical ideas.

I care about Murray Bookchin, insofar as I rejoice in his death. The world doesn't need more people who subject our citizens to insidiously false notions about the world which would result in the destruction of our country and our economy. Luckily, leftist views are dying around the world, even in Latin America. There won't be many people to take his place, thank God. I don't have anything against the man, just his diabolical ideas.

Hey, boy, go join the Westboro Baptist Church. You'd fit RIGHT in, celebrating the deaths of people you don't like, and all.

I care about Murray Bookchin, insofar as I rejoice in his death. The world doesn't need more people who subject our citizens to insidiously false notions about the world which would result in the destruction of our country and our economy. Luckily, leftist views are dying around the world, even in Latin America. There won't be many people to take his place, thank God. I don't have anything against the man, just his diabolical ideas.

Thanks for drawing attention to him with your signature, though. Your help is appreciated by us diabolical leftists everywhere.;)

Your help is appreciated by us diabolical leftists everywhere.;)

Not you, just your ideas. :)

we also lost the last surviving member of los amigos de durruti a couple months ago

Luckily, leftist views are dying around the world, even in Latin America.

Hilariously wrong. Just because we aren't portrayed as evil, slant-eyed Reds Under the Bed any more doesn't mean we aren't still active. Quite the opposite in fact.

I suspect that in this case, "around the world" means "in my town", anyway.

I suspect that in this case, "around the world" means "in my town", anyway.

The death grip of unions has been lessened on countries all over Europe in recent times. Capitalism has been more fully embraced globally, and especially in places like China and Russia. The socialist movement in Latin America is in its last throes; desperate gambles like Chávez are doomed to failure and have negligible popularity ratings. Oh, and my town has been strongly Republican since it was founded.

we also lost the last surviving member of los amigos de durruti a couple months ago

That's another guy I hate, but he said some intelligent things.

"The only church that illuminates is a burning church."

The socialist movement in Latin America is in its last throes;

The Sandinistas just won in Nicaragua.

desperate gambles like Chávez are doomed to failure and have negligible popularity ratings.

He is far ahead in the polls for the next presidential election:

Associated Press Poll Shows Chavez With Strong Lead

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- A strong majority of Venezuelans plan to cast their ballots for President Hugo Chavez on Dec. 3, with most saying the fiery opponent of President Bush has handled government and foreign relations well, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that revealed deep divisions along class lines.

About 59 percent of likely voters said they would vote for Chavez for a third term, while 27 percent said they would support opposition candidate Manuel Rosales. Thirteen percent of those surveyed by the polling firm Ipsos for The Associated Press said they were undecided or wouldn't answer.

Since Chavez was first elected in 1998, the leftist president has become perhaps Latin America's most controversial leader while gaining notoriety worldwide as an outspoken critic of the U.S. government.

At home, the poll showed, Venezuelans are generally content with the country's direction, with 61 percent of all respondents saying Venezuela is moving in the right direction and 31 percent saying it's on the wrong track.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=2146

Edit: Perhaps you are using "last throes" the way the Bush Administration uses it with regard to the insurgency in Iraq?

desperate gambles like Chávez are doomed to failure and have negligible popularity ratings...
"...in my town"

The Sandinistas just won in Nicaragua.

They won with just enough votes to avoid a run-off. Had the vote not been split, Ortega would have been decisively thrashed in the second round. And while Chávez may currently have a high popularity rating in Venezuela, his approval rating has been plummeting downward in other Latin American countries (he failed to get the regional seat at the UN).

Had the vote not been split, Ortega would have been decisively thrashed in the second round.

Do you have any evidence for that?

Do you have any evidence for that?

The Economist article which reported the election. Unfortunately, you need to subscribe before you can view the article.

http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=E1_RTPJJVS

However, there is an earlier article which was written before the election which stated that he would "almost certainly" lose any run-off election.

http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8108294

However, there is an earlier article which was written before the election which stated that he would "almost certainly" lose any run-off election.


Reliable publication, then?
At any rate, it's a moot point. The winner in the second round would have most likely been a left-winger too.

Reliable publication, then?

Yes, it is -- there was no run-off election, which Mr. Ortega would definitely have lost. Global socialism is falling into ruin, everywhere you look. Backwards countries are looking at thriving capitalist systems for an example which to emulate, and many are taking tentative steps in the correct direction.

Yes, it is -- there was no run-off election, which Mr. Ortega would definitely have lost.
Don't you just hate it when someone reads the first line of your post, replies to it and ignores the rest? Ah well, what can you do?
Global socialism is falling into ruin
In what way? Socialists being elected as leaders of Spain, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Peru, et cetera? That's hardly what I'd describe as "falling into ruin". But, well, I guess we look at things differently, you and I. I see evidence, you see 50s Cold War propaganda.
Backwards countries are looking at thriving capitalist systems for an example which to emulate, and many are taking tentative steps in the correct direction.
Like where, for example? I'm not even going to bother contending your objectionable language - "backwards countries" indeed.

I just found out that Murray Bookchin passed away earlier this year in June. Another leftist gone, and it always seems like there is not another person carrying on the fight.

Well, he's in the Great Libertarian Commune in the sky now. :(

EDIT: Now I know that almost no one cares

I think about him every day when I run into all the technology and wealth and medical advancements the socialist system has spurred in the human race..

wait a minute, what was his name? Never heard of him...

Don't you just hate it when someone reads


your mother's name on a toilet wall and then keeps calling? That must suck.

I think about him every day when I run into all the technology and wealth and medical advancements the socialist system has spurred in the human race..

wait a minute, what was his name? Never heard of him...

You're right! In order for someone to have a politically valid opinion, they need to be a great scientist, entrepreneur and doctor! How could I have been so blind?

Darn, I didn't know who he was. I hadn't heard of him, and after reading about him online in a few places I can safely say the world won't miss him in the slightest.

I just found out that Murray Bookchin passed away earlier this year in June. Another leftist gone, and it always seems like there is not another person carrying on the fight.

Well, he's in the Great Libertarian Commune in the sky now. :(

EDIT: Now I know that almost no one cares

Who?

My condolences to his family. I'm never glad to see anybody go - unless, of course, they're a dictator, a terrorist, a felon, or a common gangster.

Hmm, I didn't know he died. :( He is on my list of "authors to read up on".

I just found out that Murray Bookchin passed away earlier this year in June. Another leftist gone, and it always seems like there is not another person carrying on the fight.

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Well, Milton Friedman practically got a 21 gun salute when he died. I guess it seems that all things are not equal in the domain of public conciousness. I just learned today that he died.

Yes he did, and yes they are. The death of a majorly important Nobel laureate, whose name is a houshold word (at least in the English speaking world among non-ignorant people), and who has had a major influance on public policy, generally attracts more and wider attention than that of a little known thinker whose contributions to a largely failed ideology have generally been ignored by mainstream society.

The fact that you bring up Friedman's death just over a week after it happened, but were not aware of Murray Bookchin's until now speaks directly too that. That you misposted the time of his death (he died July 30th, not in June), says even more about how important he was to you.

Reliable publication, then?

Now I've seen people post some stupid things here, but calling The Economist unreliable is just jaw droppingly ignorant.

Would it make you feel better if I guessed that "nobody cared" because most people don't know who he was?
I, for one, don't.
So it's ignorance rather than callousness.
Same here. I didn't even know that he lived, let alone died...

Who?

sort of a major player within both anarchism and the ecology movement.

an obit from the gruaniad:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,1839260,00.html

Now I've seen people post some stupid things here, but calling The Economist unreliable is just jaw droppingly ignorant.

Yes, that was an error on my part. Unfortunately, you had to be aggressive about it. I'm sorry that you couldn't resolve the issue in a respectful and intelligent manner.

your mother's name on a toilet wall and then keeps calling? That must suck.
Knock it off. Flamebait.

Yes, that was an error on my part. Unfortunately, you had to be aggressive about it. I'm sorry that you couldn't resolve the issue in a respectful and intelligent manner.

You posted something stupid and got called on it. If you somehow found that insulting, I apologise.

However, I stand by my statement. I would still consider anyone posting here who is unfamiliar with that newspaper to question it's reliability to be amazingly ignorant.

My statement was hardly strong or harsh, and I would suggest you grow some skin, or you will feel insulted by quite a few things in life and here in particular.

You posted something stupid and got called on it. If you somehow found that insulting, I apologise.

However, I stand by my statement. I would still consider anyone posting here who is unfamiliar with that newspaper to question it's reliability to be amazingly ignorant.

My statement was hardly strong or harsh, and I would suggest you grow some skin, or you will feel insulted by quite a few things in life and here in particular.

Just relax, friend. I openly admitted I was wrong, without any insult to you or yours. You seem to be seeking some sort of conflict. You're likely to be disappointed, however, as you'll get none from me.

Might I suggest you find a more creative output for your bottled-up emotions?

Just relax, friend. I openly admitted I was wrong, without any insult to you or yours. You seem to be seeking some sort of conflict. You're likely to be disappointed, however, as you'll get none from me.

Might I suggest you find a more creative output for your bottled-up emotions?

No conflict sought. Just pointing out that that I found your reaction highly oversensitive.

Might I suggest you be less sensitive, and less patronising as well.