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Some of you may have or may not have heard of this proposal. There are plans to build a N American superhighway between Mexico and Canada driving through the middle of the US. The idea is to link Mexican ports to middle America and Canada to move goods faster. However some say that it is a bigger plan to unite all of N America into a economic and later political union.

Thoughts on this plan?

A map of the proposed route:http://www.nascocorridor.com/

CNN Lou Dobbs story via Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8flODdDX8UQ

Other supporting stories:

http://www.planetizen.com/node/20173

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52684

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=884112006

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/staticpages/index.php/20060830133702539

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52104

Seems like a perfect match. Mexico has the ports, The United States has the money and Canada has.... ...um.... funny bacon. :D

Seems like a perfect match. Mexico has the ports, The United States has the money and Canada has.... ...um.... funny bacon. :D

Now we could export that funny bacon to Mexico and make big bucks! Who's with me? :D

bush's latest scheme, i guess.

If its all for helping free trade, I'm for it. However, I TOTALLY oppose a political union with Mexico.

If its all for helping free trade, I'm for it. However, I TOTALLY oppose a political union with Mexico.

There's a surprise! ;)

bush's latest scheme, i guess.

This has it's roots in the original idea of NAFTA. That would predate Bush jr.

This has it's roots in the original idea of NAFTA. That would predate Bush jr.

so. who says it's impossible to hijack something like that.

Seems like a perfect match. Mexico has the ports, The United States has the money and Canada has.... ...um.... funny bacon. :D

It's called ham, unless you mean pickled pork with peameal on it. ;)

Here's a map of the proposed corridor:

http://www.nascocorridor.com/

so. who says it's impossible to hijack something like that.

Well of course components could be changed to appease some people. But blaming the current president for this particular item is a bit overboard. When clearly this idea has been around for a while and is promoted by more then one administration. There are many many people involved in this one. From 3 different nations. If this is all Bush's doing I would say he is very clever in making it look like a plan by many.

Here's a map of the proposed corridor:

http://www.nascocorridor.com/

Thanks for posting that. Was looking for it earlier and forgot the site addy. Going to ammend the main post to include.

However some say that it is a bigger plan to unite all of N America into a economic and later political union.

While I support more trade with our neighbors I completely oppose a political union. What is the point, other than for people to say "Look how big my peni....errr country is!"

Perhaps someone else here can shed light on what advantages a large nation has in this era of globalization and asymmetric warfare.

There's a surprise! ;)
:D

Thanks for posting that. Was looking for it earlier and forgot the site addy. Going to ammend the main post to include.
I had never heard of that plan before, and looking through your links and the comments posted in some of them it seems most Americans haven't either.

There was one comment from a woman in Texas who was part of a grassroots group against it, so I'm guessing even *if* they ever actually decide to build this thing they'd run into huge resistance once this gets more publicity. Whole counties will be split in two by such a huge road, and I honestly can't see the government being able to buy up all the necessary land. And I don't think Americans would take too kindly to being dispossessed...

I'm doing my masters thesis on the demise of the Great Plains region, so I was afraid that this is an impending construction that might lead through the region - yet another thing I would have had to find literature on etc..
Hence why I searched for the map.
I can't tell you how happy I am that it bypasses the Great Plains for the most part. :p

At the same time, of course, they better have a really good reason for building it so far to the east, because if there are any counties who maybe would even almost welcome the thing and would pose less of an obstacle in terms of population density it would have been those of the Great Plains.

i don't see why people is the us of a would be worried, they would dominate the new superstate... its the canadians and mexicans who ought to be worried about they possible los of national identity in any north american union.

I'd be interested to know why, if it's a proprosed construction project through the US, there is no .gov reference to it?

.coms are, you know, commercial sites.

wouldn't this make it a lot easier for illegal immigrants to get into the country?

Hands off Canada!
Canada is in the British Empire. Britain is in EU. Hence Canada is EU. ;)

And, by the way, French is already listed as one of the official languages of the EU Commission!
*The European Parliament rises and welcome the newly elected representatives of Quebec!*:D

Wait another 10 years an' we'll do that!

i don't see why people is the us of a would be worried, they would dominate the new superstate... its the canadians and mexicans who ought to be worried about they possible los of national identity in any north american union.
This is for freer trade, not for a political union.

In the case of a political union:

Canadians would be unhappy because they have to share there resources with Americans, and also would have to adjust to slightly more right wing politics.

The Americans wouldnt like it because, well lets face it, what American wants 100,000,000 Mexicans in his country. :D Plus, American politics might have to shift over the left a bit to accomidate the Canadians.

Mexicans would like it though.... but eh, who cares. They shouldnt benefit at our loses.:rolleyes:

I had never heard of that plan before, and looking through your links and the comments posted in some of them it seems most Americans haven't either.
Which is strange because it's been around since Clinton's years. I doubt it will lead to political union.

At the same time, of course, they better have a really good reason for building it so far to the east, because if there are any counties who maybe would even almost welcome the thing and would pose less of an obstacle in terms of population density it would have been those of the Great Plains.

I guess it makes sense to build it as close to where most industry is as possible. It's not that far from the Great Plains, so eventually there could be branches into Wyoming, Kansas and Nebraska, hopefully revitalizing the industry of those places.

Mexicans would like it though.... but eh, who cares. They shouldnt benefit at our loses.:rolleyes:
No, they wouldn't, because then they would be in the US legally, and where's the fun in that?

Won't the Mexicans just drive through America and go straight to Canada - after all, I've heard it's much nicer there:D

*sits back and waits for abuse*

Won't the Mexicans just drive through America and go straight to Canada - after all, I've heard it's much nicer there:D

*sits back and waits for abuse*heck i'd consider it... i hear the prisons in canada are nicer than rent subsidized apartments in america, which in turn are probably nicer than some privately owned housing in mexico. prison in kanuckistan > renting in redneckistan > homeowning in incastan

heck i'd consider it... i hear the prisons in canada are nicer than rent subsidized apartments in america, which in turn are probably nicer than some privately owned housing in mexico. prison in kanuckistan > renting in redneckistan > homeowning in incastan

Actually, it's tacostan.

No, they wouldn't, because then they would be in the US legally, and where's the fun in that?
:D

Anyone else find it odd that it's Thanksgiving Day in the US, and we've got people in this thread using borderline racist speech to complain about a superhighway when the US itself doesn't exactly have a spectacular record when it comes to honoring treaties with the people it stole the land from in the first place?

Guess not.

Anyone else find it odd that it's Thanksgiving Day in the US, and we've got people in this thread using borderline racist speech to complain about a superhighway when the US itself doesn't exactly have a spectacular record when it comes to honoring treaties with the people it stole the land from in the first place?

Guess not.
Nope.:)

No, it is not a plan to create a North American Union, it's just a road... jeez.

Nope.:)

Of course you wouldn't. What's sad is that you've lived in two of the most culturally diverse parts of the country and you apparently can't even appreciate how rich your life is because of it. You know, when you move out of your parents' house, you might want to try rural Idaho. You'll probably find some kindred spirits there.

I'd be interested to know why, if it's a proprosed construction project through the US, there is no .gov reference to it?

.coms are, you know, commercial sites.

not only.

Some of you may have or may not have heard of this proposal. There are plans to build a N American superhighway between Mexico and Canada driving through the middle of the US. The idea is to link Mexican ports to middle America and Canada to move goods faster. However some say that it is a bigger plan to unite all of N America into a economic and later political union.

Thoughts on this plan?

A map of the proposed route:http://www.nascocorridor.com/

Other supporting stories:

http://www.planetizen.com/node/20173

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52684

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=884112006

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/staticpages/index.php/20060830133702539

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52104

I'd like to note something about your sources, marrakech. The Planetizen source essentially repeats the Scotsman source. Vivelecanada looks like little more than a blog, and if WorldNetDaily were paper instead of electronic, I wouldn't even use it for toilet paper. The superhighway is being studied, indeed, but to make grander claims about this being the first stage toward a North American Union (which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, mind you) is stretching things more than a little.

Anyone else find it odd that it's Thanksgiving Day in the US, and we've got people in this thread using borderline racist speech to complain about a superhighway when the US itself doesn't exactly have a spectacular record when it comes to honoring treaties with the people it stole the land from in the first place?

Guess not.

I might have found it odd, if it weren't so complicated.

There already is one. Americans call it I-15. It runs from the centre of the Canadian oil industry straight to Las Vegas. That's really as far as it needs to go.

I'd like to note something about your sources, marrakech. The Planetizen source essentially repeats the Scotsman source. Vivelecanada looks like little more than a blog, and if WorldNetDaily were paper instead of electronic, I wouldn't even use it for toilet paper. The superhighway is being studied, indeed, but to make grander claims about this being the first stage toward a North American Union (which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, mind you) is stretching things more than a little.

Well there are literally dozens of sources I could have qouted on the subject. If one were to do a google search for NAFTA Superhighway you would see what I mean. There is a wide variety from conservative to liberal that talk about it. I don't think this is a conspiracy theory gone haywire. From the multiple sites I have read it is a real project that is being proposed. I am simply qouting what sources say that it could lead to. I am simply posting this as a discussion thread on economic intergration of N America. Now some will say that is a prelude to political as stated in multiple sites. Do I believe that? I doubt a political union under current circumstances would ever happen. But the economic and possible monetary union could have a real possiblility in my mind.

Seems like a perfect match. Mexico has the ports, The United States has the money and Canada has.... ...um.... funny bacon. :D
Canada has all the natural resources... and ports. What's Mexico for again?

Of course you wouldn't. What's sad is that you've lived in two of the most culturally diverse parts of the country and you apparently can't even appreciate how rich your life is because of it. You know, when you move out of your parents' house, you might want to try rural Idaho. You'll probably find some kindred spirits there.
Why...Idaho sucks. Nothing but patotoes and Aryan Nations out there.
Much rather move to Switzerland.


Anyway, it is exactly that, BECAUSE i've lived in the two most mutlitucultural/multi-racial/multi-lingual areas of the country, that I have seen all the problems generated in it. I like the Spanish language, I am quite good at it. I like ordering a Bistec Empanizado in a Cuban place, in Spanish, and I even like some Latina women. Simply enjoying a culture does not mean you want it to replace YOUR culture. I like our culture in America, and their culture in Latin-America. THAT, is to preserve diversity.

I'd be interested to know why, if it's a proprosed construction project through the US, there is no .gov reference to it?

.coms are, you know, commercial sites.

Here is a link to a CNN story via Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8flODdDX8UQ

I like the Spanish language, I am quite good at it. I like ordering a Bistec Empanizado in a Cuban place, in Spanish, and I even like some Latina women.

Long version of "I have black friends"?

Long version of "I have black friends"?
No, short version of "I have lived in Southern California and South Florida all my life, and thus, engulfed in Latin culture.";)

Long version of "I have black friends"?

That's sure what it sounds like to me.

No, short version of "I have lived in Southern California and South Florida all my life, and thus, engulfed in Latin culture.";)

But it's longer than what you just said, how could it be the short version? :p :p

Some of you may have or may not have heard of this proposal. There are plans to build a N American superhighway between Mexico and Canada driving through the middle of the US. The idea is to link Mexican ports to middle America and Canada to move goods faster. However some say that it is a bigger plan to unite all of N America into a economic and later political union.

Thoughts on this plan?

A map of the proposed route:http://www.nascocorridor.com/

CNN Lou Dobbs story via Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8flODdDX8UQ

Other supporting stories:

http://www.planetizen.com/node/20173

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52684

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=884112006

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/staticpages/index.php/20060830133702539

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52104



Why is it that whackjob know-nothing bullshit conspiracy lies are always predicated by "some say" or "it is said." ?

That's sure what it sounds like to me.
Well, I just explained it to Dina. Anyway I'm sure thats not all you have to say about my post. That was a very fair post.

"Why...Idaho sucks. Nothing but patotoes and Aryan Nations out there.
Much rather move to Switzerland.


Anyway, it is exactly that, BECAUSE i've lived in the two most mutlitucultural/multi-racial/multi-lingual areas of the country, that I have seen all the problems generated in it. I like the Spanish language, I am quite good at it. I like ordering a Bistec Empanizado in a Cuban place, in Spanish, and I even like some Latina women. Simply enjoying a culture does not mean you want it to replace YOUR culture. I like our culture in America, and their culture in Latin-America. THAT, is to preserve diversity."
But it's longer than what you just said, how could it be the short version? :p :p
Die, you Luxembourger:D

Why is it that whackjob know-nothing bullshit conspiracy lies are always predicated by "some say" or "it is said." ?

Why would you consider someone drawing a conclusion on a proposal that effects three nations a bullshit conspiracy? Did you not check out the CNN story? Have you googled at all about this subject and find out the Texas governer is against it? What research have you done at all on this subject other then just dismissing it off the cuff? Who is know-nothing bullshit here?

Now we could export that funny bacon to Mexico and make big bucks! Who's with me? :D

No, thanks.

Why would you consider someone drawing a conclusion on a proposal that effects three nations a bullshit conspiracy? Did you not check out the CNN story? Have you googled at all about this subject and find out the Texas governer is against it? What research have you done at all on this subject other then just dismissing it off the cuff? Who is know-nothing bullshit here?

I'm well aware there are plans for a big highway, but the claim that 'some say' (some also say we are visit by aliens. some say those aliens are actually angels and demons from the bible,. some say they walk among us. it is said that we can use our mind to communicate with them. some say this is what happens in dreams) this is leading to a 'political union' is inane. North america is not europe, we have a very clear hegemon and no need for the kind of political union that has been so much in europe's interests. It would also be venomous political suicide, &c.

One more page in the long-on-bullshit-short-on-reason book of 'internationalist conspiracy'

Well, I just explained it to Dina. Anyway I'm sure thats not all you have to say about my post. That was a very fair post.

"Why...Idaho sucks. Nothing but patotoes and Aryan Nations out there.
Much rather move to Switzerland.


Anyway, it is exactly that, BECAUSE i've lived in the two most mutlitucultural/multi-racial/multi-lingual areas of the country, that I have seen all the problems generated in it. I like the Spanish language, I am quite good at it. I like ordering a Bistec Empanizado in a Cuban place, in Spanish, and I even like some Latina women. Simply enjoying a culture does not mean you want it to replace YOUR culture. I like our culture in America, and their culture in Latin-America. THAT, is to preserve diversity."
Those bolded words show just how ignorant and/or racist you are. There is no "American culture." The US is, and always has been an amalgamation of multiple cultures, including Latin American. Be honest with yourself--what you really mean is "white" when you say "American." And that's why I said you'd be happier in Idaho. Because that Latin culture is just fine with you when it's in a restaurant or when you're trying to fuck one of them, but god forbid that they actually, you know, live in your neighborhood and dare to not assimilate immediately.

Whatever. As long as it has a decent speed limit, like 85, and none of this '55' to stay alive crap.

Also, people should look at the big picture. Political Union with mexico would probably benefit the US just as much as mexico, because it would force them to clean a lot of shit up down there, thus solving a lot of problems.

Whatever. As long as it has a decent speed limit, like 85, and none of this '55' to stay alive crap.

Also, people should look at the big picture. Political Union with mexico would probably benefit the US just as much as mexico, because it would force them to clean a lot of shit up down there, thus solving a lot of problems.

No kidding. From what I've been able to see as a long distance observer, it's not like the individual countries of the EU have had any problems maintaining their individuality.

Whatever. As long as it has a decent speed limit, like 85, and none of this '55' to stay alive crap.

Also, people should look at the big picture. Political Union with mexico would probably benefit the US just as much as mexico, because it would force them to clean a lot of shit up down there, thus solving a lot of problems.
Wasn't that part of the plan of NAFTA? That sounds snarky, but it's actually a question, because I only vaguely remember that one of the deals was supposed to be that it would raise standards in Mexico, but the criticism was that it would just move jobs without raising standards. Too lazy to look shit up right now.

Also on the similar historic moments, in the 50s didn't they try this? Now I'm really reaching, but I seem to remember the Carerra Panamericana was a race to celebrate a Mexico/US highway that was supposed to stretch to Canada but never did.

Either way, they should make another big ass road race to celebrate this freeway-deally. Then I'd be all for it.

I think that the speed limit is going to be pokey. It's meant, I imagine, for trucking and those dudes don't go much faster than 55 (well, they're not supposed to) because of tires and safety et al. So it wouldn't do to have people bookin' it across there at 90 mph. My dreams of an American Autobahn still go unfulfilled.

I also dig the anti-multiculturalism or however he wants to put it. It's a country of immigrants (and a displaced people...Happy Thanksgiving!...), so it's not hard to see through it when you're essentially saying, "I like a blended culture, but only blended this much." It's not hard to see that you're talking about the swirl.

How about a railroad instead? :D

My revised version.
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1616/newhomepage09gh1.th.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newhomepage09gh1.jpg)

Canada has all the natural resources... and ports. What's Mexico for again?

Tacos and Pacific ports closest to Texas.

Canada has all the natural resources... and ports. What's Mexico for again?

Tacos and Pacific ports closest to Texas.

And easier to push around. Canada has a bothersome tendency to stick up for itself.[/unfair oversimplification of complex issues, really to Canada, US, and Mexico...I should be ashamed, but instead I'm just going to bail...]

More on the American Superhighway:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27842?issue=4228&special=2002

And easier to push around. Canada has a bothersome tendency to stick up for itself.[/unfair oversimplification of complex issues, really to Canada, US, and Mexico...I should be ashamed, but instead I'm just going to bail...]
Whet the hell did this happen?

Whet the hell did this happen?

Maybe in dealing with Quebec? Other then that I think Canada can be proud of its fighting spirit.

How about a railroad instead? :D


That's what I'm talking about! With the price of oil now, the last thing we need to do is build a gigantic highway.

While I support more trade with our neighbors I completely oppose a political union. What is the point, other than for people to say "Look how big my peni....errr country is!"

Perhaps someone else here can shed light on what advantages a large nation has in this era of globalization and asymmetric warfare.

ever heard of a supranational institution, then look at the largest trading bloc and largest economy the mybe you might find the EU supraational is the way forward in this era going it alone is so 18,19,20th century

or maybe its because ypuve only just found an atlas and havn't quite found europe yet

My revised version.
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1616/newhomepage09gh1.th.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newhomepage09gh1.jpg)
Fancy yerself as one of them cowboys/girls huh?

Fancy yerself as one of them cowboys/girls huh?

Um, no. Being from Vancouver, Cowboys/girls scare me.:(

ever heard of a supranational institution, then look at the largest trading bloc and largest economy the mybe you might find the EU supraational is the way forward in this era going it alone is so 18,19,20th century

The European Union is not yet a political union. Also, in the European Union there isn't one member state that would have the overwhelming preponderance of power the way the US would in a North American Union.

Also, given the fact that there were only 51 countries in the UN in 1945 and there are 192 now would certainly tell me that "going it alone" is very much a late 20th century thing. Since the 21st century is only 6 years old we'll see whether the trend towards more independent states continues.


or maybe its because ypuve only just found an atlas and havn't quite found europe yet

lol

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

The Onion is prescient (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27842?issue=4228&special=2002).