NationStates Jolt Archive


II or NS?

Drexel Hillsville
23-11-2006, 00:24
Which do you like better, or go to if you only go to one?

I say II it has a lot of topic types and well I just like it better.
Drunk commies deleted
23-11-2006, 00:25
WTF is II?
Philosopy
23-11-2006, 00:26
WTF is II?

It's something sailors say to a Captain in acknowledgement of an order.
Andaluciae
23-11-2006, 00:26
I am in the land of confusion right now...

http://www.intervalworld.com/web/cs?a=5 That's about all I can figure out.
Drunk commies deleted
23-11-2006, 00:27
It's something sailors say to a Captain in acknowledgement of an order.

Ok. I prefer NS then. While the rum is nice I'd prefer to avoid sodomy and the lash.
Philosopy
23-11-2006, 00:28
I am in the land of confusion right now...

http://www.intervalworld.com/web/cs?a=5 That's about all I can figure out.

I think he's referring to the other NationStates forums. I've never been in either of the one's he's talking about.
Drexel Hillsville
23-11-2006, 00:28
II is short for Internation Incidents
Drunk commies deleted
23-11-2006, 00:29
II is short for Internation Incidents

Isn't that for those roleplaying weirdos?
Philosopy
23-11-2006, 00:30
Isn't that for those roleplaying weirdos?

I believe so. As far as I can see, it consists of people going:

"I blow you up!"
"No you didn't!"
"You can't say that, I just blew you up!"
"No, you didn't!"
"I did! I did!"
"MODS!"
Swilatia
23-11-2006, 00:32
NSG. i used to roleplay, but I stopped altoghether because there is just too many FT war Rp's and my country is neither warmongering or FT.
Drexel Hillsville
23-11-2006, 00:33
I believe so. As far as I can see, it consists of people going:

"I blow you up!"
"No you didn't!"
"You can't say that, I just blew you up!"
"No, you didn't!"
"I did! I did!"
"MODS!"


No...

II is more civilized than that.

Usually...
Andaluciae
23-11-2006, 00:34
Isn't that for those roleplaying weirdos?

Last I checked, yeah.
Swilatia
23-11-2006, 00:35
No...

II is more civilized than that.

Usually...

not from what i've seen. and there is just too much FT.
Andaluciae
23-11-2006, 00:36
not from what i've seen. and there is just too much FT.

FT? That's an acronym I don't understand.
Gorkon
23-11-2006, 00:37
Isn't that for those roleplaying weirdos?

I'd take roleplayers over much of the NSG population any day... if you want weird, this is where you come.
Pure Metal
23-11-2006, 00:38
i'm already too addicted to NSG to have any time left for RPing :( :p
Imperial isa
23-11-2006, 00:38
not from what i've seen. and there is just too much FT.

no too little of FT its all MT letting off Nukes
BLARGistania
23-11-2006, 00:38
I usually go into NSG. But sometimes I hit up II, although i was never much into the FT threads, just the PT or just past PT threads (which is what I use).

Its been a good long while since I've visited II though.
Imperial isa
23-11-2006, 00:39
I usually go into NSG. But sometimes I hit up II, although i was never much into the FT threads, just the PT or just past PT threads (which is what I use).

Its been a good long while since I've visited II though.

its full of MT wars now days
BLARGistania
23-11-2006, 00:41
its full of MT wars now days

I might have to make some renewed visits then. I always liked the MT better, it never got as absurd as some of the FT threads.
Swilatia
23-11-2006, 00:41
FT? That's an acronym I don't understand.

Future Tech. i just hated roleplaying on that tech level, because you can godmode there easily.
Andaluciae
23-11-2006, 00:42
Future Tech. i just hated roleplaying on that tech level, because you can godmode there.

Ahhhhhh, yes. My one adventure into RP wound up with modern tech +5 years.
Swilatia
23-11-2006, 00:43
no too little of FT its all MT letting off Nukes The whole "tech Level" scale is a faliure.
Imperial isa
23-11-2006, 00:44
Future Tech. i just hated roleplaying on that tech level, because you can godmode there.

then join the MT wars that start up now days or the WW2 or WW3 ones
oh there a war with KC
Swilatia
23-11-2006, 00:44
Ahhhhhh, yes. My one adventure into RP wound up with modern tech +5 years.

well, I also complained there was just too much war.
Swilatia
23-11-2006, 00:47
then join the MT wars that start up now days or the WW2 or WW3 ones
oh there a war with KC

did I not tell you that i'm just not fond of war RP's that much at all.
Terror Incognitia
23-11-2006, 00:52
I usually RP in International Incidents.

Just cos when I browse NS, it seems to have mostly marriages, balls, etc.
Not my scene at all.
Nor is a lot of the RP in II, to be fair, I just know a few people I can RP with on a reasonable level, and occasionally dive into other things, through boredom and/or to find new people I like RPing with.
Imperial isa
23-11-2006, 00:53
did I not tell you that i'm just not fond of war RP's that much at all.

no not me you must of posted as i was working on my post
Kryozerkia
23-11-2006, 00:53
WTF is II?
The place where you can't post your weird news stories! :p
Sarkhaan
23-11-2006, 00:54
I'd take roleplayers over much of the NSG population any day... if you want weird, this is where you come.

you consider debate weird, but not pretending to have a war with a pretend country against other pretend countries?

This whole RP thing is starting to make some sense.
Romanar
23-11-2006, 00:55
I stick my nose in both RP forums sometimes, II more than NS. But I was never active there. I did more RP off-site, but between RL and some "writer's block", I've mostly drifted away from the RPing.
Kryozerkia
23-11-2006, 00:59
you consider debate weird, but not pretending to have a war with a pretend country against other pretend countries?
Of course. Don't you know anything about the way nerds think? :D
Gorkon
23-11-2006, 01:06
you consider debate weird, but not pretending to have a war with a pretend country against other pretend countries?

This whole RP thing is starting to make some sense.

LMFAO!

You think what goes on in here is debate?! That's a laugh!

Of course. Don't you know anything about the way nerds think? :D

Sorry, I could have sworn that you just added to your 10,000+ post count on an internet forum by calling me a 'nerd'. :S
Kryozerkia
23-11-2006, 01:07
LMFAO!

You think what goes on in here is debate?! That's a laugh!



Sorry, I could have sworn that you just added to your 10,000+ post count on an internet forum by calling me a 'nerd'. :S
Well, you get more debate here in NSG than you do in spam...

And... err... <.< HOW DARE YOU CALL OUT THE FACT THAT I CALLED YOU A NERD WHEN I HAVE NO LIFE! I shall have you thrown in a smouldering crater for that! ... err...ah!

*walks off muttering* fine, I'm a nerd... but you don't HAVE to keep mentioning my insane post count... it's STILL less than 20K...
Sarkhaan
23-11-2006, 01:10
Of course. Don't you know anything about the way nerds think? :D
It would seem so...
LMFAO!

You think what goes on in here is debate?! That's a laugh!
Debate, discussion, and a bit of entertaining spam (which, over all, is just socializing). Yeah, there is significant debate over many issues.
Kryozerkia
23-11-2006, 01:11
Yeah, there is significant debate over many issues.
More like overkill.
Sarkhaan
23-11-2006, 01:12
More like overkill.

haha...only with things like abortion, religion, evolution...


okay, yeah. Overkill. But it is still debate, dammit!:p
Aelosia
23-11-2006, 01:19
Of course. Don't you know anything about the way nerds think? :D

Most of the serious roleplayers I know, don't exactly qualify as nerds. They are usually more like...amateur writers. Of course, as in any conglomerate or group, you can find anything.

Another point...If you think that NSG is filled of debate, I hope you take a class or two of negotiation or rhetoric. NSG is filled with interchange of opinions and judgements, but hardly debate. Barking the points of view at each other hardly qualifies as debate in the strict sense of the word.

Regarding my first point, to compare International Incidents Forums and the Nationstates boards...As I said, better roleplayers try to take the game, the roleplaying one, that is, as a form to train in their writing skills. Obviously, two lines posts of "I nuke your cities and enslave the survivors" don't exactly fit in that line. Sadly in International Incidents that kind of posts is more common than in Nationstates, alongside with a severe lack of quality in spelling, grammar and style. That is why I choose Nationstates over International Incidents.

Another plus, most roleplays that run in the NS boards are cooperative writing, while in International Incidents is more like a competitive one. As the game per se does not have a mechanism to determine winning or losing sides, well, the bitching occurs, and also it is an awful lot more common in II than in NS.

As an example, placing myself on the line, I hardly try to compare both NSG and NS boards, as the point behind each is pretty different. However, for me I prefer Nationstates, as I am a professional journalist and I am already tired of "debating" and "offering opinions" in real life for good everyday and in real, influential issues, and not on an international community that hardly listen to what you have to say anyway, and that marks it as fiction as any roleplayed story. For me, NS is for relax, and as a hobby to be away from the rudeness of the common world a bit every night.

Just my two cents, as any, it is an opinion, as worthy as anything else. However, the style of each is valid for anyone, and each has pros and contras. Yet to prefer Nationstates over II and NSG, or any combination of those three, do not make anyone better or worse than others who like more another style, as some people in this forums have tried to show.
Niiatar
23-11-2006, 01:27
NSG about debate...

I chortled.
Swilatia
23-11-2006, 01:29
Well, you get more debate here in NSG than you do in spam...

And... err... <.< HOW DARE YOU CALL OUT THE FACT THAT I CALLED YOU A NERD WHEN I HAVE NO LIFE! I shall have you thrown in a smouldering crater for that! ... err...ah!

*walks off muttering* fine, I'm a nerd... but you don't HAVE to keep mentioning my insane post count... it's STILL less than 20K...

you and your craters.
Gorkon
23-11-2006, 01:30
Yeah, there is significant debate over many issues.

Thread Starter said: "I thikn that we should have better protections against benefit fraud, because it's unfair on hard-working people to allow lazy gits to sponge off them all the time."

Random Poster 1 said: "..."

Random Poster 2 said: "Dude, you misspelled think."

Random Poster 3 said: "YEAH! KILL ALL THE LOWER CLASSES! SCUMMY LIBERAL PUSSIES!"

Thread Starter said: "OMG quit with the ad hominem crap!"

Random Poster 2 said: "Strawman!"

Thread Starter said: "You're gay!"

Random Poster 3 said: "Gays are evil! George Bush will stop them!"

Random Poster 1 said: "George Bush is a douche!"

Random Poster 3 said: "YOU'RE AN ANTI-AMERICAN BUSH-BASHING FAG! I bet you're a liberal pussy!"

Random Poster 1 said: "And you're a stupid conservative douche! Iraq was illegal and so on!"

Random Poster 4 said: "I disagree with you all, so I'm going to insult you!"

Random Poster 2 said: "Ad hominem!"

Random Poster 3 said: "Liberal!"
Kryozerkia
23-11-2006, 01:32
you and your craters.
Don't knock it; the craters work wonders when dealing with n00bs.
Kryozerkia
23-11-2006, 01:34
haha...only with things like abortion, religion, evolution...


okay, yeah. Overkill. But it is still debate, dammit!:p
If you can call it that.

Most debates go off topic by page 3, unless the question is a broad one then they might last until page 7...

The debates then spiral downward into a pit of childish flaming, whining and tattling, with a spark attempt to revive the topic, only for it to fizzle out as the clowns come in and hijack it, while feeding the trolls.
Swilatia
23-11-2006, 01:43
If you can call it that.

Most debates go off topic by page 3, unless the question is a broad one then they might last until page 7
well, no-one knows when really. all that is known is that as a discussion extends, its relevence to the original topic slowly approaches 0.
Kryozerkia
23-11-2006, 01:45
well, no-one knows when really. all that is known is that as a discussion extends, its relevence to the original topic slowly approaches 0.
Then takes a nice plunge down to -89735902138478175...
Swilatia
23-11-2006, 01:54
Then takes a nice plunge down to -89735902138478175...

as this thread seems to be at this moment.
Kryozerkia
23-11-2006, 01:55
as this thread seems to be at this moment.
Or any thread I touch, other than the ones I start! :p
Swilatia
23-11-2006, 02:02
Or any thread I touch, other than the ones I start! :p
even without you it happens.

here is how a thread falls off topic without being hijacked.

1) Debate Starts
2) Debate goes into more narrow areas
3) Joke-post made
4) side discussion sparked by joke-post
5) joke-post discussion dominates
6) thread falls off-topic

i may be wrong.
Neo Kervoskia
23-11-2006, 02:17
You know, NSG may be fuck-all crazy, but we're crazy over real world issues like abortion and the spelling of certain words. RPers get pissy over fake wars and don't have any good trolls.
United Uniformity
23-11-2006, 03:11
You know, NSG may be fuck-all crazy, but we're crazy over real world issues like abortion and the spelling of certain words. RPers get pissy over fake wars and don't have any good trolls.

Hell, we should be proud of MTAE and the rest. Every forum needs the bad guys, they provide something for everyone to unite against. Any board with out trolls is a boring board indead.
Harlesburg
23-11-2006, 11:57
I like the one with modern tech wars.

I also liked being 2 time Basketball World Champions.
I lost interest when World Cup VI wasn't finished...
Ifreann
23-11-2006, 12:03
NSG>All
I tihnk I've made one or two posts outside NSG and spam. I don't like those crazy places, they scare me.
A_B
23-11-2006, 13:31
I like international incidents. It has more nation based roleplay and less character based(I don't have a problem with the latter, but uh, I thought this was about your nation, not Mr. Randy L. Quigly), also NS is full of sports.

I believe so. As far as I can see, it consists of people going:

"I blow you up!"
"No you didn't!"
"You can't say that, I just blew you up!"
"No, you didn't!"
"I did! I did!"

It's funny you should say that because I actually wanted to start a Godmodding thread for the purpose of doing just that(thought it would be fun), but I haven't since I didn't think anyone would enjoy it.