NationStates Jolt Archive


Failed Mexican Candidate swears self in

Red_Letter
21-11-2006, 23:44
(AP) Leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador swore himself in as Mexico's "legitimate" president Monday, launching a parallel government he hopes will prevent President-elect Felipe Calderon from governing.

The ceremony is the latest chapter in Lopez Obrador's unsuccessful battle for the presidency. He claims fraud and dirty campaign tactics were responsible for Calderon's narrow victory in the July 2 vote, and his parallel government could spend the next six years calling for street protests that have already dented the economy and prompted travel warnings from the U.S. Embassy.

Rosario Ibarra, a human rights activist and senator for Lopez Obrador's coalition, placed the presidential sash across his shoulders during Monday's ceremony. While the action lacks legal recognition, Lopez Obrador hopes to assume the moral leadership of millions of poor Mexicans.

"I pledge ... to serve loyally and patriotically as legitimate president of Mexico," Lopez Obrador said. "I pledge to protect the rights of Mexicans and to defend Mexico's sovereignty and patrimony, and ensure the happiness and welfare of the people."

Speaking before about 100,000 supporters, he vowed to draw up a new constitution to oppose the building of U.S. border fences and limit the power of big corporations, the media and the "neo-fascist oligarchy" he claimed had taken over the government.

Based in Mexico City, Lopez Obrador's parallel government has its own Cabinet, but it will not collect taxes or make laws and will rely on donations to carry out its plans.

Lopez Obrador said he plans to spend three days a week in Mexico City and spend the other four days touring Mexico "to create the most important citizens' organization in all our history." But his movement's first action will be to try to prevent Calderon's Dec. 1 inauguration ceremony.

"We are going to make Calderon realize at all times that he is an illegitimate leader," said 55-year-old Lopez Obrador supporter Beatriz Zuniga, an unemployed professor of Latin American studies. "He's got a limited amount of time. This man will not finish his term."

Supporters carried signs lashing out against not only Calderon, but a variety of foes they say had lined up to marginalize Lopez Obrador: the Roman Catholic Church, the mainstream media and even rival leftists such as Zapatista rebel leader Subcomandante Marcos.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/21/ap/world/mainD8LH6DMO2.shtml

I didnt see this anywhere else so I thought Id bring it up. The story itself doesnt seem to be getting much coverage. In fact, it took me awhile to track down after I first saw it in the USA Today newspaper. It strikes me that there has been alot of this going on lately around the world, the leaders offer the elections, but cap them off when the people make the wrong choice. Its a disturbing trend and this is a truly arrogant action.

But at the same time I believe highly in self-determination and peaceful revolt, and this seems to be just that. Anyway one of my perceptions will be destroyed at the conclusion of this, its just a matter of which one.
Drunk commies deleted
21-11-2006, 23:47
Great. Now they can have a civil war. Why not? The US is already home to millions of Mexican refugees. What's a few million more?
Kecibukia
21-11-2006, 23:48
Who's capped what off? Sounds more like sore losers to me. This is really a pathetic "keep paying attention to me" move by Obrador.
Kryozerkia
21-11-2006, 23:49
Well, at least America can't complain about there being no democracy in Mexico...
Drunk commies deleted
21-11-2006, 23:50
Well, at least America can't complain about there being no democracy in Mexico...

I think the main thing we're complaining about is that there are too few Mexicans in Mexico.
Kryozerkia
21-11-2006, 23:51
I think the main thing we're complaining about is that there are too few Mexicans in Mexico.
Too few? Are you saying they need to have MORE children?? Isn't the population of Mexico City equal to that of Canada or something really stupid like that?
Red_Letter
21-11-2006, 23:55
For me its really more than distress with the audacity of the move. The man is undermining a legitimate government, but doing so without causing it any harm. I just cant seem to come to a conclusion about it. Except of course, I believe he has no moral high ground if he actually stops the other man from taking office.

And how the hell can they make an amendment that stops us from building a border fence!? Since when did foreign constitutions have an effect on how we govern our borders?
Kryozerkia
22-11-2006, 00:24
And how the hell can they make an amendment that stops us from building a border fence!? Since when did foreign constitutions have an effect on how we govern our borders?
Actually, they can stop it if the fence actually goes over the international border. For the fence to not have an amendment against it, it needs to be clearly on American soil.
Neo Kervoskia
22-11-2006, 00:26
I'm the legitimiate prime minister of Tomania.
Kryozerkia
22-11-2006, 00:28
I'm the legitimiate prime minister of Tomania.
Eh?
Drunk commies deleted
22-11-2006, 00:37
Too few? Are you saying they need to have MORE children?? Isn't the population of Mexico City equal to that of Canada or something really stupid like that?

No, I was saying that most Americans are complaining that too many Mexican citizens are over on this side of the border.
Kryozerkia
22-11-2006, 00:40
No, I was saying that most Americans are complaining that too many Mexican citizens are over on this side of the border.
Maybe if Americans stopped whining, that number wouldn't seem so big. :D
Drunk commies deleted
22-11-2006, 00:43
Maybe if Americans stopped whining, that number wouldn't seem so big. :D

?:confused: ?
Kryozerkia
22-11-2006, 00:45
?:confused: ?

Don't mind me, I'm just doing what I do best - spread general confusion and chaos!
Kyronea
22-11-2006, 00:45
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/21/ap/world/mainD8LH6DMO2.shtml

I didnt see this anywhere else so I thought Id bring it up. The story itself doesnt seem to be getting much coverage. In fact, it took me awhile to track down after I first saw it in the USA Today newspaper. It strikes me that there has been alot of this going on lately around the world, the leaders offer the elections, but cap them off when the people make the wrong choice. Its a disturbing trend and this is a truly arrogant action.

But at the same time I believe highly in self-determination and peaceful revolt, and this seems to be just that. Anyway one of my perceptions will be destroyed at the conclusion of this, its just a matter of which one.
Well, hell, if he can declare a parallel government, I'm gonna create one right now for the United States, with me as the President. Who's with me?
The South Islands
22-11-2006, 00:45
Well, hell, if he can declare a parallel government, I'm gonna create one right now for the United States, with me as the President. Who's with me?

I wanna be SecState!
Kyronea
22-11-2006, 01:02
I wanna be SecState!

Yahsure.

Anyone who wants to join up can. First to claim a position gets it.
The South Islands
22-11-2006, 01:03
Yahsure.

Anyone who wants to join up can. First to claim a position gets it.
*chants*

Make a thread! Make a thread! Make a thread!
Andaluciae
22-11-2006, 01:07
Obrador, Obrador, Obrador. Calderon was even willing to include your opinion in the deliberative process, and you go off and whine.
Delphtonopolisburgh
27-11-2006, 07:28
Sorry for dredging, but I live relatively near the border (well, okay, a little bit west of Los Angeles, but that's close in the most general of terms), and I was wondering what overall effect you all reckon this is gonna have on the state of Mexico's governance? Could this lead to a possible destabilization of the current regime or is it just another hiccup?
Wilgrove
27-11-2006, 07:31
So, no more Presidente Fox?
Dododecapod
27-11-2006, 10:03
This guy may have just stepped over the line. I don't know about Mexican law, but in a lot of countries what he's done could be considered Treason.