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Let's face it: Wingnut ain't going to have anything to do with it either. And they're going to be searching desperately for someone, anyone to jump onboard asap. Considering that No matter how crap it is they'll still make good returns, they prob won't be too choosy either.
All this means the Hobbit film and whatever the hell the LOTR 'prequel' (are they meaning the Silmarillion? Cause that'll be damn difficult to make into a movie) are both going to suck big time.

And that's a crying shame. I was really looking fwd to seeing The Hobbit.

Hobbit goes ahead without Jackson

Lord of the Rings director Peter Jackson has been told he will not be employed on The Hobbit, the next film adaptation of a JRR Tolkien novel.

New Line Cinema, with whom he has been in dispute about income from the first Rings film, was not using him, he said.

Jackson had refused to discuss a Hobbit film until the case was settled but New Line said it now wanted to move on as it had "limited time" to make the film.

The Rings trilogy generated nearly $3bn (£1.6bn) in cinemas around the world.

Jackson's film company, Wingnut Films, brought a legal action against New Line resulting from an audit the company undertook on The Fellowship of the Ring.

Jackson, a devoted Tolkien fan, said he had been removed from the Hobbit project by New Line, who also hold the rights to a second Lord of the Rings prequel.

The Oscar-winning director said New Line would not allow him to make the films unless he dropped the lawsuit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6167972.stm

Sidenote: Mugshot doesn't look like Jackson at all. Either they've stretched the pic, or he's lost a lot of weight.

:D when I read the title, for a minute I thought you mean 'Michael' Jackson, not Peter... heh.... *shudders*

:D when I read the title, for a minute I thought you mean 'Michael' Jackson, not Peter... heh.... *shudders*

Same lol

It blows my mind that NEw Line is shooting themselves in the foot for this... I mean, it's true that no matter who makes it, the Hobbit will generate good opening numbers, but if they really wanted a movie with some impact they should have been willing to work with Jackson.

But then again, this is the same distributor that released that hideous farce of a movie Dungeons & Dragons...

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :(

It won't be the same, and it probably won't be as good as it could be. It NEEDS his touch!

Damn greedy people! :gundge:

Sidenote: Mugshot doesn't look like Jackson at all. Either they've stretched the pic, or he's lost a lot of weight.

He's lost a lot of weight - no kidding!

Oh No!!!
I'm wondering how many NSers will be disembowling themselves now...

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :(

It won't be the same, and it probably won't be as good as it could be. It NEEDS his touch!

Damn greedy people! :gundge:



He's lost a lot of weight - no kidding!

yeh, i checked imdb, 'tis him.

I don't see the Hobbit being much of a movie. It's much more of a kids story than LOTR.

And I point and laugh at anyone who tihnks they can turn the Silmarillion inot a film. The thing reads like a bible.

Good, maybe the movie will get made without Jackson's absurd plot changes (see mostly The Two Towers but he messed with the plot in all three).

I don't see the Hobbit being much of a movie. It's much more of a kids story than LOTR.
Which makes it easier to turn into a movie. It's a pretty straight forward story.
And I point and laugh at anyone who tihnks they can turn the Silmarillion inot a film. The thing reads like a bible.
I concur. Though that's pretty much what a lot of ppl were saying about LOTR and Jackson did a damn good job of that, which is why they need him on these films.

I don't see the Hobbit being much of a movie. It's much more of a kids story than LOTR.

And I point and laugh at anyone who tihnks they can turn the Silmarillion inot a film. The thing reads like a bible.

Well, they did make the bible into a movie once...

Hmmm...

I wonder if Charlton Heston is sitting by the phone waiting for a call right now? :p
Good, maybe the movie will get made without Jackson's absurd plot changes (see mostly The Two Towers but he messed with the plot in all three).

Or maybe... maybe it will be worse... much much wore :eek:

Mommy, I'm afraid :(

Which makes it easier to turn into a movie. It's a pretty straight forward story.
This is true. But I don't think it will do as well as LOTR. I could be wrong though.

I concur. Though that's pretty much what a lot of ppl were saying about LOTR and Jackson did a damn good job of that, which is why they need him on these films.

Absolutely, if I were going to try and make the Silmarillion into a movie Peter Jackson would be top of the list of people to hire.

Let's face it: Wingnut ain't going to have anything to do with it either. And they're going to be searching desperately for someone, anyone to jump onboard asap. Considering that No matter how crap it is they'll still make good returns, they prob won't be too choosy either.
All this means the Hobbit film and whatever the hell the LOTR 'prequel' (are they meaning the Silmarillion? Cause that'll be damn difficult to make into a movie) are both going to suck big time.

And that's a crying shame. I was really looking fwd to seeing The Hobbit.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6167972.stm

Sidenote: Mugshot doesn't look like Jackson at all. Either they've stretched the pic, or he's lost a lot of weight.Good thing. As a hardcore Tolkien fan I never liked how Jackson messed up the story. The Hobbit without Jackson would be favorable. I'd do it.

Good thing. As a hardcore Tolkien fan I never liked how Jackson messed up the story. The Hobbit without Jackson would be favorable. I'd do it.
Why don't the hardcore fans like him?

Why don't the hardcore fans like him?
Because hardcore fans have their own specific vision of what whatever they're hardcore fans of, and nothing will ever come close to satisfying their visions.

Let's face it: Even if they'd spent the equivalent of the annual US military budget on LOTR, filmed it exactly word for word from the book and even managed to actually create real life trolls, ogres, dwarfs, elves et al AND Middle-Earth there'd still be hard-core LOTR fans grumbling, "It's not as good as the book"

Why don't the hardcore fans like him?

The biggest complaint is that he fucked with the story. Which he did, quite a bit.

This is true. But I don't think it will do as well as LOTR. I could be wrong though.
Be almost impossible to do as well as LOTR. However, since it is more a kid's book it could be made into a more family movie, with a PG rating (like Harry Potter). So it'd still make good money. As long as they don't fuck it up of course.

Damn... Jackson can't get any luck lately, can he? First they cancel the Halo movie (he was executive producer), and now this.

I can just picture him slumped in an alleyway in Wellington with a cardboard sign reading "Will make blockbuster movies for food." :D

Be almost impossible to do as well as LOTR. However, since it is more a kid's book it could be made into a more family movie, with a PG rating (like Harry Potter). So it'd still make good money. As long as they don't fuck it up of course.

I can see them doing something like skipping the eagles and having Gandalf pwn his way through all the goblins and wolves. Or there never being goblins and wolves.

And adding in elves all over the place, just cos.

Why don't the hardcore fans like him?

Stuff left out, liberties taken with Arwen's character in particular...

Although that said, I still liked them and thought Jackson did a good job.

Why don't the hardcore fans like him?

Because it appears clearly that PJ hasn't understood anything about LOTR. He messed up the whole thing - cutting off scenes arbitrarily to replace them with scenes that were totally invented by himself, like Aragorn kissing a horse or Arwen with a sword.

Ok, it is a movie and you have to make some changes, but PJ changed so much of the story that the movie should be called "Mount Doom Ho! - very freely inspired by Tolkien's Lord of the Rings". That would've been honest. PJ and NewLine haven't been honest to their customers.

PJ:sniper: Die, defiler!;)

Because it appears clearly that PJ hasn't understood anything about LOTR. He messed up the whole thing - cutting off scenes arbitrarily to replace them with scenes that were totally invented by himself, like Aragorn kissing a horse or Arwen with a sword.

Ok, it is a movie and you have to make some changes, but PJ changed so much of the story that the movie should be called "Mount Doom Ho! - very freely inspired by Tolkien's Lord of the Rings". That would've been honest. PJ and NewLine haven't been honest to their customers.

PJ:sniper: Die, defiler!;)

I'm kinda suprised it didn't have "Based on a true story" at the start.

Because it appears clearly that PJ hasn't understood anything about LOTR. He messed up the whole thing - cutting off scenes arbitrarily to replace them with scenes that were totally invented by himself, like Aragorn kissing a horse or Arwen with a sword.
Aragorn kissing a horse?
That wasn't in the books?
OMG.
OMFG!!!

Well, that just ruins the entire 8 something hours of LOTR movies for me.

Totally ruins it.

Jackson seems able to put on and lose weight very, very quickly. Have you seen some of his earlier films? He was as skinny as a rake.

The biggest complaint is that he fucked with the story. Which he did, quite a bit.

Stuff left out, liberties taken with Arwen's character in particular...

Although that said, I still liked them and thought Jackson did a good job.

Because it appears clearly that PJ hasn't understood anything about LOTR. He messed up the whole thing - cutting off scenes arbitrarily to replace them with scenes that were totally invented by himself, like Aragorn kissing a horse or Arwen with a sword.

Ok, it is a movie and you have to make some changes, but PJ changed so much of the story that the movie should be called "Mount Doom Ho! - very freely inspired by Tolkien's Lord of the Rings". That would've been honest. PJ and NewLine haven't been honest to their customers.

PJ:sniper: Die, defiler!;)

So... he messed it up, did he? ;) Is that what you're ALL trying to say here?

Be almost impossible to do as well as LOTR. However, since it is more a kid's book it could be made into a more family movie, with a PG rating (like Harry Potter). So it'd still make good money. As long as they don't fuck it up of course.

I can see them doing something like skipping the eagles and having Gandalf pwn his way through all the goblins and wolves. Or there never being goblins and wolves.

And adding in elves all over the place, just cos.

I shudder to think. It would be difficult to take the goblins and eagles out but I wouldn't put anything past Hollywood. I betcha Beorn ends up on the cutting room floor, and the spiders in Mirkwood, too. And a pretty-boy gets to play Bard (I think the guy who played Theoden would be good here, even though he was wrong for his part in LOTR).

If it turns out to suck, I say just go buy a copy of the old animated version. I had problems with some of that, like the way the Elves were drawn, but there will never, ever, ever be a better scene than when Smaug opens his eyes and the searching beam goes looking for Bilbo, and Richard Boone's voice rumbles, "Well, thief?" That was so cool.

Why don't the hardcore fans like him?He altered the story too many times. In the movie everybody seems to know exactly about the Ring. Even Sauron. If Sauron had indeed seen Frodo in Bree he would have come there himself in no time and the story would have been over pretty quick. The entire story builds on the circumstance that Sauron does not know where the Ring is.

He altered the story too many times. In the movie everybody seems to know exactly about the Ring. Even Sauron. If Sauron had indeed seen Frodo in Bree he would have come there himself in no time and the story would have been over pretty quick. The entire story builds on the circumstance that Sauron does not know where the Ring is.
I had been wondering about that...

New Line, who also hold the rights to a second Lord of the Rings prequel

"alright guys, i'm thinking a sort of muppet babies meets star wars episode 1..."

"alright guys, i'm thinking a sort of muppet babies meets star wars episode 1..."
That sounds... fucked up.

I'm still upset with Jackson for his treatment of LOTR. He took so many liberties with the material! Where was Tom Bombadil?!? All the worse, he did it so damn well! The Hobbit will no doubt be worse for his absence, but maybe now he can start on Star Wars 7, 8, & 9 :eek:

I shudder to think. It would be difficult to take the goblins and eagles out but I wouldn't put anything past Hollywood. I betcha Beorn ends up on the cutting room floor, and the spiders in Mirkwood, too. And a pretty-boy gets to play Bard (I think the guy who played Theoden would be good here, even though he was wrong for his part in LOTR).

If it turns out to suck, I say just go buy a copy of the old animated version. I had problems with some of that, like the way the Elves were drawn, but there will never, ever, ever be a better scene than when Smaug opens his eyes and the searching beam goes looking for Bilbo, and Richard Boone's voice rumbles, "Well, thief?" That was so cool.

That's the Ralph Bakshi one, yeah? He did a great job on Mighty Mouse in the 80s, and of course, Fritz the Cat. Too bad his LOTR never got anywhere :(

I'm still upset with Jackson for his treatment of LOTR. He took so many liberties with the material! Where was Tom Bombadil?!?

Tom Bombadil was something I was glad he left out. Seriously. Tom Bombadil was the creepiest part of the whole books.

Tom Bombadil was something I was glad he left out. Seriously. Tom Bombadil was the creepiest part of the whole books.

Pfft! You just don't like hippies. Tom was the Original Hippy ;)

Pfft! You just don't like hippies. Tom was the Original Hippy ;)

I like hippies fine. He was more like what happens when Dr Seuss meets Sauron.

That's the Ralph Bakshi one, yeah? He did a great job on Mighty Mouse in the 80s, and of course, Fritz the Cat. Too bad his LOTR never got anywhere :(

That one was done by Rankin/Bass, not Bakshi. I rather like Bakshi's LOTR, in some ways. I only know the first part, never have managed to see his Return of the King.

That one was done by Rankin/Bass, not Bakshi. I rather like Bakshi's LOTR, in some ways. I only know the first part, never have managed to see his Return of the King.

It never got made, that's why. Technically he only covered the material from the first book and the first half of the second book.

It never got made, that's why. Technically he only covered the material from the first book and the first half of the second book.

He had the same problem as Jackson, really. Each "book" is really two books. LOTR should have been six movies.

Anyone who knows even a little about the entertainment industry knows Jackson mucked with the plot to put in what would sell to the generally ADHD mindset of the public. If he'd stuck faithfully to the books the first film would have been a sleeper hit at best- which wouldn't have made enough money for New Lines Cinema to give the green lights for the other two.

You can make a faithful adaptation or you can make what makes lots and lots of money. You can almost never make both.

As long as the name behind The Hobbit isn't Uwe Boll or Paul Andersen I think we can relax.

sorry for dragging this one back, but i thought a gravedig was better than a new thread.

i'm watching braindead, one of jackson's old zombie movies. those movies are better than anything else he's done, i reckon. i think i preferred bad taste tho.

Absolutely, if I were going to try and make the Silmarillion into a movie Peter Jackson would be top of the list of people to hire.

Funny...he'd be at the BOTTOM of my list for the Slimarillon...you probably wouldn't even have the same story anymore.

Coincidentally, I think the Silmarillon could work, but it would have to be THREE movies. The tales of Beren and Luthien and of Turin are too important to squeeze into the rest of the largely elf-oriented plot without extensive omissions that will leave the audience scratching their heads.

Fortunatley, the proposed second movie has nothing to do with the Silmarillon...

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117953908.html?categoryid=19&cs=1

As for "The Hobbit," Sloan confirmed MGM was in talks with Peter Jackson to make two movies based on J.R.R. Tolkein's "prequel" to "The Lord of the Rings."

However, making the film is contingent on negotiations with New Line, which owns the right to produce "The Hobbit" (MGM owns only the right to distribute the films). And people close to Jackson say that until his ongoing lawsuit with New Line -- over monies he says are owed him from the "Lord of the Rings" franchise -- is settled, a serious conversation over "The Hobbit" cannot proceed.

Even so, Sloan remains optimistic. He said the first "Hobbit" pic would be a direct adaptation of "The Hobbit," and the second would be drawn from footnotes and source material connecting "The Hobbit" with "The Lord of the Rings."

Good, maybe the movie will get made without Jackson's absurd plot changes (see mostly The Two Towers but he messed with the plot in all three).

Good thing. As a hardcore Tolkien fan I never liked how Jackson messed up the story. The Hobbit without Jackson would be favorable. I'd do it.

Agreed!

This is honestly the best news regarding The Hobbit that we could have gotten.



Because hardcore fans have their own specific vision of what whatever they're hardcore fans of, and nothing will ever come close to satisfying their visions.

Let's face it: Even if they'd spent the equivalent of the annual US military budget on LOTR, filmed it exactly word for word from the book and even managed to actually create real life trolls, ogres, dwarfs, elves et al AND Middle-Earth there'd still be hard-core LOTR fans grumbling, "It's not as good as the book"

*HARDCORE FAN RANT WARNING* :p

I had no issues with omissions....many things that were removed from the movies I had no problems with (like Tom Bombadil).

What pissed me off...still pisses me off actually, is the liberties Jackson took with the story. EVERY character has been butchered (with the possible exception of Boromir), but especially the most important ones (Frodo, Sam, and most notably Aragorn (RELUCTANT HERO MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!))

There are also numerous inconsistencies in the story due to the changes that Jackson made that stand out considerably. After the wall at Helms Deep is destroyed and Haldir is killed, we can see some elves retreating with the others into the keep. Strangely, this is the last we see of these elves.

Could it be that after introducing a plot element that doesn't fit with the source material Jackson found it impossible to incorporate it properly...and so just dropped it, hoping nobody would notice? :rolleyes:

There are other instances where things like this occur, but I want to address a few other things.

The biggest complaint is that he fucked with the story. Which he did, quite a bit.

Why all the additions? If you need to leave stuff out, fine, but adding elves at Helms Deep, or the Army of the Dead at Minas Tirith, while leaving out things like the Dunedain of the North, or Prince Imrahil, just irritates me to no end.

This post helps illustrate the point as well...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11703585&postcount=9

If Jackson hadn't bothered to add so much bullshit, he could have put in more of the original story!

All one has to do is watch the commentary of the LOTR extended editions to realize that Jackson has probably only read the books once. In passing. Even then it might only be cliff notes.

The guy has no fucking clue...and the news that he will not be doing The Hobbit should fill any fan of the book with nothing but glee.

Anyone who knows even a little about the entertainment industry knows Jackson mucked with the plot to put in what would sell to the generally ADHD mindset of the public. If he'd stuck faithfully to the books the first film would have been a sleeper hit at best- which wouldn't have made enough money for New Lines Cinema to give the green lights for the other two.

You can make a faithful adaptation or you can make what makes lots and lots of money. You can almost never make both.

Bingo.

Jackson took someone else's artistic vision, and twisted it into a cash cow of epic proportions. Sure, whoever directed modern LOTR movies was going to get rich...but nearly every change to Tolkien's story in the movies can be traced back to a single line of thought.

"It'll sell more."

In short, Jackson didn't want to tell Tolkien's story...as Tolkien's story was not profitable. The man is a fucking tool...and I flatly refuse to ever see another one of his films.

So the fact that he is NOT doing The Hobbit means I get to go see it. W00t! :D

Let's face it: Wingnut ain't going to have anything to do with it either. And they're going to be searching desperately for someone, anyone to jump onboard asap. Considering that No matter how crap it is they'll still make good returns, they prob won't be too choosy either.
All this means the Hobbit film and whatever the hell the LOTR 'prequel' (are they meaning the Silmarillion? Cause that'll be damn difficult to make into a movie) are both going to suck big time.

And that's a crying shame. I was really looking fwd to seeing The Hobbit.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6167972.stm

Sidenote: Mugshot doesn't look like Jackson at all. Either they've stretched the pic, or he's lost a lot of weight.
That is Jackson, he has lost a lot of weight.
Thats why he needs more money, money that he is owed from LOTR.

Sir Ian McKellan/Gandalf doesn't think it would be right not to have Jacksons involvment in The Hobbit.

It is a crying shame it is.

And I point and laugh at anyone who tihnks they can turn the Silmarillion inot a film. The thing reads like a bible.

In the 1960's there was actually a film version of "The Bible". It was made up of four or five different episodes (Adam and Eve, Tower of Babel, Noah's Ark, etc.) rather than being a continuous narrative. The same approach would be called for if The Silmarillion is ever made.