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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167304.stm

Yet, many of them will still continue to clamor for war. Today it's Iraq, tomorrow it's Iran, then it's Syria. Etc. Ad infinitum. We'll keep invading, marauding, and killing, until "democracy" is brought to everyone in the Middle East - at gun-point.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167304.stm

Yet, many of them will still continue to clamor for war. Today it's Iraq, tomorrow it's Iran, then it's Syria. Etc. Ad infinitum. We'll keep invading, marauding, and killing, until "democracy" is brought to everyone in the Middle East - at gun-point.

*condescending tone* That's how a global crusade works, CK. :p

Well, first of all Tony Blair actually invited Iran and Syria to help in Iraq.

If that takes of, it might be quite a momentous event.

i like the closing remark:
And he says, as with Iraq, it suggests political battles to come over how intelligence is used as a basis for American foreign policy.


we have no I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.E.N.C.E. !!

Well, first of all Tony Blair actually invited Iran and Syria to help in Iraq.

If that takes of, it might be quite a momentous event.

And what did the Shrub say about that?

"The White House is not going to dignify the work of an author who has viciously degraded our troops "
Ignoring him because he "degrades" the troops is a pretty poor reason. Seems like someone's clutching at straws.

And what did the Shrub say about that?
Not sure. He's not saying very much at all at the moment. His minders are busy working out what the new congress + senate thing means.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6142252.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6167968.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6144842.stm

But seriously, if something comes out of this, we might have witnessed the end of neocon ideology. Because this is realpolitik at its finest, and if it works...

But seriously, if something comes out of this, we might have witnessed the end of neocon ideology. Because this is realpolitik at its finest, and if it works...

Don't count your chickens yet. Despite the GOP fubaring itself, the Democrats still have a long way to go. Crafting a grand strategic vision for the country, for a starter.

Don't count your chickens yet. Despite the GOP fubaring itself, the Democrats still have a long way to go. Crafting a grand strategic vision for the country, for a starter.
Meh, I don't really care about domestic politics. But the sort of naive "save the world" ideology that is neoconservatism has got the US into Iraq and NATO busy trying to hold on in Afghanistan.

If realpolitik can solve those problems, then neither party is going to risk doing anything else for one or two decades to come.

But if the evil satanic iranian islamofascists are building weapons we must stop them..... with our weapons (looks confused)

While Iran may not be developing those weapons, they arnt exactly going to object as Al-Quieda wants to 'borrow' some plutonium

While Iran may not be developing those weapons, they arnt exactly going to object as Al-Quieda wants to 'borrow' some plutonium


1 big problem.... Iran is Shia and Al-Qaeda is Sunni, they rather kill each other =)

1 big problem.... Iran is Shia and Al-Qaeda is Sunni, they rather kill each other =)

Shh... You're making it too complicated for many people to follow. :p


"A current senior intelligence official confirmed the existence of the CIA analysis, and told me that the White House had been hostile to it."

Well, what a surprise... After all, the CIA's role isn't to provide facts and valid Intelligence, but to say what the White House wants it to say.

Oh, wait. It isn't.


"The White House is not going to dignify the work of an author who has viciously degraded our troops"

And the connection here is... ?

Ignoring him because he "degrades" the troops is a pretty poor reason. Seems like someone's clutching at straws.
How dare he NOT tow the White House line!

How dare he NOT tow the White House line!

Indeed. No doubt someone in the CIA is going to get fired for letting him gt access to this report.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167304.stm

Yet, many of them will still continue to clamor for war. Today it's Iraq, tomorrow it's Iran, then it's Syria. Etc. Ad infinitum. We'll keep invading, marauding, and killing, until "democracy" is brought to everyone in the Middle East - at gun-point.

You need to learn how to read these things better.

The US is allowing Iran to "Help" in Iraq.

Since Iran is helping in Iraq the CIA can't find any evidence

because their building missles that can hit every capital city in europe... that certainly isn't evidence of suspicous nature......

the fact that they helped in part fund pakistan's research with a implied quid pro quo for a nuclear weapon

the fact they bought information from numerous russian scientists including a few the CIA used to spread disinformation to them

yes CLEARLY no evidence.

because we know the government, and more importantly a government spy agency would never lie to serve its own policy

You need to learn how to read these things better.

The US is allowing Iran to "Help" in Iraq.

Since Iran is helping in Iraq the CIA can't find any evidence

because their building missles that can hit every capital city in europe... that certainly isn't evidence of suspicous nature......

the fact that they helped in part fund pakistan's research with a implied quid pro quo for a nuclear weapon

the fact they bought information from numerous russian scientists including a few the CIA used to spread disinformation to them

yes CLEARLY no evidence.

because we know the government, and more importantly a government spy agency would never lie to serve its own policy

the fact that they have hundreds of thousands of troops of a foreign power who has been talking about nuthing else but a regime change in thier country at thier border of course shouldnt concern them right?
after all it is a benovelent power... muaahahz

Hey, they said there were no weapons of mas destruction in Iraq either but guess what we went in and we ... well we proved them right but hey, there might have been!

1 big problem.... Iran is Shia and Al-Qaeda is Sunni, they rather kill each other =)

Then why is Iran training and supplying Al-queda fighters ?

And also training and funding and supplying shiite militia and death squds from Iraq ?

The very reasons " some " people think bringing them into negotiations on iraq is a good idea ?

Realpoloitik my ass.....its more " here take what you want so we can be done with it " .

Sure lets ignore the fact that Iran has its own Imperial and religiouse and revolutionary adgenda it is following . Lets IGNORE as ususual EVERY THING they say and do...and insist we " know " what they " really " mean .
Its going to take a big pretty mushroom cloud to wake some idiots up.
I hope its not close to where I live .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167304.stm

Yet, many of them will still continue to clamor for war. Today it's Iraq, tomorrow it's Iran, then it's Syria. Etc. Ad infinitum. We'll keep invading, marauding, and killing, until "democracy" is brought to everyone in the Middle East - at gun-point.

Yeah, I'd like to actually see the mushroom cloud over New York before I get concerned about a radical Islamic leader with the potential to have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah, I'd like to actually see the mushroom cloud over New York before I get concerned about a radical Islamic leader with the potential to have a nuclear weapon.


As long as the fallout cloud blows to the North ...good Idea...all the liberals who are playing games will be the victims of their own stupidity.

BIG mushroom cloud with pepperoni ...and a strong North wind .

Then when Iran and various other countries just cease to inhabit the earth ...no moron for years will ever again be listened to as the US wanders about destroying radical countries and those that support them .

In a few hundred years when the land in Persia and elsewhere becomes inhabitable again a monument to the stupidity of the morons that let it happen can be built.

1 big problem.... Iran is Shia and Al-Qaeda is Sunni, they rather kill each other =)

Ok, not Al-quieda, but other Muslim extrmists. Its not as if Al-Quieda are the only ones.

As long as the fallout cloud blows to the North ...good Idea...all the liberals who are playing games will be the victims of their own stupidity.

BIG mushroom cloud with pepperoni ...and a strong North wind .

Then when Iran and various other countries just cease to inhabit the earth ...no moron for years will ever again be listened to as the US wanders about destroying radical countries and those that support them .

In a few hundred years when the land in Persia and elsewhere becomes inhabitable again a monument to the stupidity of the morons that let it happen can be built.

Disturbing nuclear fantasies aside, the CIA apparently can't find evidence for a secret weapons program. If our intelligence sources say it isn't there, yet the White House insists it is, does that mean we should be worried about Iran nukes or a leadership that disregards its own intelligence services?

Disturbing nuclear fantasies aside, the CIA apparently can't find evidence for a secret weapons program. If our intelligence sources say it isn't there, yet the White House insists it is, does that mean we should be worried about Iran nukes or a leadership that disregards its own intelligence services?

They say they cant find any evidecne IN IRAN. That does not mean that the fact that they have the capacity to build these weapons and the ideology that they hold dear isnt dangerous. They could easily give the materials to someone...

Difficult "silly" foreign names deserve to be learned to spelled correctly otherwise you'll look silly yourself.

Therefore: 'Al-qaeda' or also correct though used less frequently 'Al-Qaida'

Difficult "silly" foreign names deserve to be learned to spelled correctly otherwise you'll look silly yourself.

Therefor: 'Al-qaeda' or also correct though used less frequently 'Al-Qaida'

Therefore*

The blade of spelling nazism cuts both ways.

As long as the fallout cloud blows to the North ...good Idea...all the liberals who are playing games will be the victims of their own stupidity.

BIG mushroom cloud with pepperoni ...and a strong North wind .

Then when Iran and various other countries just cease to inhabit the earth ...no moron for years will ever again be listened to as the US wanders about destroying radical countries and those that support them .

In a few hundred years when the land in Persia and elsewhere becomes inhabitable again a monument to the stupidity of the morons that let it happen can be built.

You silly little thing. You're funny. I like you. :)

Therefore*

The blade of spelling nazism cuts both ways.
Bwah, a mistype is hardly the same and the use Nazi's in this case non-sensical.
You seem to have missed my point in the sense that the name is spelled wrong so often it deserves to be pointed out that some people write it incorrectly.

A small typing mistake is hardly the same...

Though your point stands and I have corrected my own mistake it properly and all I ask is that the people in question do the same.

Then why is Iran training and supplying Al-queda fighters ?

and where did you get that?


And also training and funding and supplying shiite militia and death squds from Iraq ?

what makes you think that its just an excuse to cover America's military failure in Iraq... pointing the finger at everyone else.


Sure lets ignore the fact that Iran has its own Imperial and religiouse and revolutionary adgenda it is following . Lets IGNORE as ususual EVERY THING they say and do...and insist we " know " what they " really " mean .
Its going to take a big pretty mushroom cloud to wake some idiots up.
I hope its not close to where I live .

let us also ignore some benovalent power agenda... to control the worlds oil to ensure its control over the rest of the world and democracy and free trade at gun point.

you guys really did knew abt the WMD in Iraq that it existed and threatened the world... wow i trust you this time =)

Ok, not Al-quieda, but other Muslim extrmists. Its not as if Al-Quieda are the only ones.

and what makes you think they would? they are not that stupid.... Ahmenijad is not Kim Jong Il

As long as the fallout cloud blows to the North ...good Idea...all the liberals who are playing games will be the victims of their own stupidity.

BIG mushroom cloud with pepperoni ...and a strong North wind .

Then when Iran and various other countries just cease to inhabit the earth ...no moron for years will ever again be listened to as the US wanders about destroying radical countries and those that support them .

In a few hundred years when the land in Persia and elsewhere becomes inhabitable again a monument to the stupidity of the morons that let it happen can be built.

So, in reality, you don't actually give a shit about the United States, but instead only about proving "liberals" wrong, at the expense of millions of lives and the total ruin of this nation. That is an entirely comforting thought, to be sure. Thankfully, disturbed sociopaths don't generally get voted into any sort of significant decision-making position in this nation.

And I'm also sort of curious why you don't work for the CIA, as you seem to have some inside information that indicates that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. Inside information that this CIA report apparently wasn't able to uncover. Interesting that. Seems like you should be wasting less of your time posting in an online forum and more time foiling terrorist plots.

Or perhaps you work for the White House. They also seem to have some sort of secret information about Iran's nuclear ambitions that the CIA was not able to uncover.

and what makes you think they would? they are not that stupid.... Ahmenijad is not Kim Jong Il

Well what weapon would wipe Israel off the map best...Obviously Iran cant do it themselves as they would be bombed to smitherines by the US, but terrorists...

First off, if the magazine did get access to a top secret document from the CIA, I feel that they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, Treason. Also, the CIA official who leaked the document should also be prosecuted for Treason. Maybe if the reporter is tried of Treason they well tell which official leaked the info. This would also send a strong messege to Reporters and Media outlets around our nation not to assist in the Leaking of Top secret and classified information to the public. Not only does the public see it but so do the enemies of the USA, namely the terrorists.

As for the Reporter, I find him not very credible if he does "degrade" our soldiers.

As for Iran, everytime they speak of the their nuclear ambitions regarding energy and in the same sentence Iran mentions how Israel must be destroyed, has to make you wonder what their true ambitions are.

As for the "neocons" comments, is it really that bad to want to prevent yet another country from having Nukes, especially one that denies Israel's right to exist and declares that Israel must be wiped off of the map.

Well what weapon would wipe Israel off the map best...Obviously Iran cant do it themselves as they would be bombed to smitherines by the US, but terrorists...
Exactly. That's why you get minions. They get exploded, you go "damnit", then send in another one. That's the beauty of a minion.

Well what weapon would wipe Israel off the map best...Obviously Iran cant do it themselves as they would be bombed to smitherines by the US, but terrorists...

I doubt the USA even needs to intervene directly seeing as the Israeli air force along with their special forces should be more than capable of handling a mission to destroy x silo or plant.

First off, if the magazine did get access to a top secret document from the CIA, I feel that they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, Treason. Also, the CIA official who leaked the document should also be prosecuted for Treason. Maybe if the reporter is tried of Treason they well tell which official leaked the info. This would also send a strong messege to Reporters and Media outlets around our nation not to assist in the Leaking of Top secret and classified information to the public.
Why?
I strongly disagree. This is a kind of healthy whistle-blowing. The administration continues to assert that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and threatening military action - this report shows that the CIA does not share their views. The administration has cried wolf before, and it is good that the contents of this report become public knowledge.

It is enough to see the fears emenating from some of the posters in this thread alone to see that.

Not only does the public see it but so do the enemies of the USA, namely the terrorists.
And so what? What impact does this have on the terrorists?


As for the Reporter, I find him not very credible if he does "degrade" our soldiers.

That's why you fail.

As for Iran, everytime they speak of the their nuclear ambitions regarding energy and in the same sentence Iran mentions how Israel must be destroyed, has to make you wonder what their true ambitions are.
Ambitions are one thing - ability quite another.

the fact that they have hundreds of thousands of troops of a foreign power who has been talking about nuthing else but a regime change in thier country at thier border of course shouldnt concern them right?
after all it is a benovelent power... muaahahz

Here is the problem

They have been working on getting Nukes before we started saying things like regime change.

They were working on longer and longer range missles starting well before the current US government.

So no.... They do have intent to become a nuclear power

Here is the problem

They have been working on getting Nukes before we started saying things like regime change.

They were working on longer and longer range missles starting well before the current US government.

So no.... They do have intent to become a nuclear power

well actually they did.... during the Shah's period they were building a nuclear power plant then it was of course with the blessings of this great and benovalent power.... den the revolution came... and guess what.. they stoped... why? the ayatollah declared nuclear weapons to be unislamic =) and well they have to work on the missles as a deterent.... after all they have limited access to conventional weapons.

then again.... following your line of thought.... every country with ICBM's are evil!! and the one with the most must be the mother of all EVIL.. now who has the most?

Well what weapon would wipe Israel off the map best...Obviously Iran cant do it themselves as they would be bombed to smitherines by the US, but terrorists...

with Israel undeclared nukes pointing at Iran... i think Iran too has the right to defend itself! (how nice the same justification the Israelis give to the bombing the palestinians)

but thats not the point... i think Iran is more concerned with its internal affairs at the moment. all that talk was just plain rethoric, something to gain internal support and what better way than to diss Israel.

anyway... the wiping israel off the map was actaully a mistranslation... he actually called for a regime change.

well actually they did.... during the Shah's period they were building a nuclear power plant then it was of course with the blessings of this great and benovalent power.... den the revolution came... and guess what.. they stoped... why? the ayatollah declared nuclear weapons to be unislamic =) and well they have to work on the missles as a deterent.... after all they have limited access to conventional weapons.

then again.... following your line of thought.... every country with ICBM's are evil!! and the one with the most must be the mother of all EVIL.. now who has the most?

actually the Shah helped contribute to the fund to build the Pakistani nuclear weapon as did the current regime in tehran with a quid pro quo from A.Q Khan as part of the deal.

Forget this peaceful nuclear power malarky. Both the Shah's regime and the regime of the Islamic republic have worked to get info out of the A.Q Khan network.

And no its not every country with ICBMs are evil. its the fact that their isn't a good reason to have ICBMs unless your going to develop nukes. couple that witht he fact they have sought information on how to build nuclear weapons.... it does not take a degree in rocket surgery to figure it out.

Iran is trying to become larger then a regional player, while they are driving their country into the ground.

and our country now because of the political #)*&#@*#@! over Iraq is going to let them get further along

First off, if the magazine did get access to a top secret document from the CIA, I feel that they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, Treason. Also, the CIA official who leaked the document should also be prosecuted for Treason. Maybe if the reporter is tried of Treason they well tell which official leaked the info. This would also send a strong messege to Reporters and Media outlets around our nation not to assist in the Leaking of Top secret and classified information to the public. Not only does the public see it but so do the enemies of the USA, namely the terrorists.
The article says it was a secret report, this does not actually mean that it is classified. I suspect it was not classified, because if it was classified the reporter would be in jail by now.

As for the Reporter, I find him not very credible if he does "degrade" our soldiers.
How sad for you that you disregard people out of hand because they don't love the troops.

As for Iran, everytime they speak of the their nuclear ambitions regarding energy and in the same sentence Iran mentions how Israel must be destroyed, has to make you wonder what their true ambitions are.

As for the "neocons" comments, is it really that bad to want to prevent yet another country from having Nukes, especially one that denies Israel's right to exist and declares that Israel must be wiped off of the map.

Makes you wonder if they really are developing nukes(and the CIA is incompetant) or if they're just trying to look big and scary.

You need to learn how to read these things better.

The US is allowing Iran to "Help" in Iraq.

Since Iran is helping in Iraq the CIA can't find any evidence

because their building missles that can hit every capital city in europe... that certainly isn't evidence of suspicous nature......

the fact that they helped in part fund pakistan's research with a implied quid pro quo for a nuclear weapon

the fact they bought information from numerous russian scientists including a few the CIA used to spread disinformation to them

yes CLEARLY no evidence.


So now you know better then the CIA?


Then why is Iran training and supplying Al-queda fighters ?

And also training and funding and supplying shiite militia and death squds from Iraq ?


Source?

They say they cant find any evidecne IN IRAN. That does not mean that the fact that they have the capacity to build these weapons and the ideology that they hold dear isnt dangerous. They could easily give the materials to someone...

The materials used in nuclear power are very different then those used in a nuclear bomb. So no, they couldn't give some plutonium to some terrorists (not that they could, with the US and Israel watching their every covert move) and have the terrorists makes a bomb. It just doesn't work that way.

As for their ideology, it's just the smoke they've been blowing since the Revolution. They are not going to attack Israel or the US, nor give terrorists nuclear weapons to target the US or Israel, because they're not suicidal. They know they'd end up just like Iraq, and twice as quick.

Well what weapon would wipe Israel off the map best...Obviously Iran cant do it themselves as they would be bombed to smitherines by the US, but terrorists...

There is no single weapon that could whipe Isreal off the map. Unless you are refering to a EMP bomb, like the kind the US and Russia has.


Here is the problem

They have been working on getting Nukes before we started saying things like regime change.

They were working on longer and longer range missles starting well before the current US government.

So no.... They do have intent to become a nuclear power

No, they have been working on getting *nuclear energy* since before we started talking about regime change.

Every nation in the world is working on longer and longer range missles. Should we invade them all?

O no! Your six line little quip on the internet is vastly superior to a comprehensive report by the CIA! You must be right!

Jackass.

actually the Shah helped contribute to the fund to build the Pakistani nuclear weapon as did the current regime in tehran with a quid pro quo from A.Q Khan as part of the deal.

Forget this peaceful nuclear power malarky. Both the Shah's regime and the regime of the Islamic republic have worked to get info out of the A.Q Khan network.

And no its not every country with ICBMs are evil. its the fact that their isn't a good reason to have ICBMs unless your going to develop nukes. couple that witht he fact they have sought information on how to build nuclear weapons.... it does not take a degree in rocket surgery to figure it out.

Iran is trying to become larger then a regional player, while they are driving their country into the ground.

and our country now because of the political #)*&#@*#@! over Iraq is going to let them get further along

Did you miss the part when the Ayatolla stoped the nuclear program?

Can you give me a credible link that they have sought info on nuclear weapons, not just nuclear power technology?

And a credible link for the ICBMs, while you're at it?

Unless you are just blowing smoke.

And as I said before, I take the work of US and Israeli spys over your glib little "analysis"

No, they have been working on getting *nuclear energy* since before we started talking about regime change.

Every nation in the world is working on longer and longer range missles. Should we invade them all?

O no! Your six line little quip on the internet is vastly superior to a comprehensive report by the CIA! You must be right!

Jackass.

No they (along with other countries in the middle east) Gave A.Q Khan money. A. Q Khan in these sessions where he got bags of their money said that the technology to make the Islamic Bomb would become the heritage of all muslim nations.

So right there ya go.... They gave money to some one promising them nuclear bomb technology. Some one who we know had the ability to deliver the technology.

Numerous russian scientists (Including two involved in CIA operations) went into Iran and sold them Nuclear weapons related knowledge and material.

This is in generally avalible news information right now....

So its pretty clear Iran has sought information from folks who know how to build the atomic bomb under the clear implication of it being atomic bomb related information.

Now as for the longer range missles you have to ask yourself some questions about that

Is it reasonable to get the technologies togther to make missles to launch from tehran to (say) London just for a conventional warhead. You can do a much better job of that using submarines with not much more in the way of expense.

How about biological and chemical weapons? With Irans ties to terrorist nations ICBMs to strike into the heart of europe with those is just a stupid amount of money being thrown down the rat hole.

The only reason for Iran to develop missles that can hit into europe is nuclear weapons... thats the only feasible reason.

And again the CIA is part of a government. A government that has to release information to aid them in achieving their goals. Iran and Syria are now going out and trying to "help" us with the mess in Iraq (I don't think they are going to help us as much as help themselves... but thats another story)

Why would Iran help us if the CIA releases (or does not release counter information as it did with this article) about Iran developing a nuclear weapons program.

I trust my mind more then I trust my government

Since some folks wanted a link this is to the first article that came up

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=435


TEHRAN - Iran has increased the range of its missiles to 1,250 miles, a senior Iranian official was quoted as saying on Tuesday, putting parts of Europe within reach for the first time.

Military analysts had estimated Iran's missile range at 810 miles, which would allow it to strike anywhere in Israel. But Iran's official Islamic Republic News Agency quoted Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the country's influential former president and the head of a government oversight body, as saying: "Now we have the power to launch a missile with a 2,000-kilometer range. Iran is determined to improve its military capabilities."



and here is a good list from NTI

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/Missile/1788_2980.html

Iran is developing the missle systems that can support not just theater Nuclear Weapons (like India and Pakistan) but a larger system of missles.

Well what weapon would wipe Israel off the map best...Obviously Iran cant do it themselves as they would be bombed to smitherines by the US, but terrorists...

Nah. The US won't do shit for Israel if it's not in the US's interests, which it isn't. If Iran nukes Israel, Israel will launch its own nuclear stockpile shortly before it gets wiped off the map, destroying Iran. Then the US can march in with its "peacekeepers" to "restore democracy and order to the ruined nations" and take the oil, which is what it's been after since 1973 at least (Energy crisis which made the US realise that it would be in deep shit if it couldn't get rid of OPEC). Divide and conquer.

Disturbing nuclear fantasies aside, the CIA apparently can't find evidence for a secret weapons program. If our intelligence sources say it isn't there, yet the White House insists it is, does that mean we should be worried about Iran nukes or a leadership that disregards its own intelligence services?

Why do we think that one small, illegally, leaked piece of information is right? Maybe the fellow that did the leaking isn't being entirely truthful. Maybe he doesn't have access to the information that says Iran does have the capability to manufacture nukes.There are lots of good reasons to continue down the path of assuming that they do want the capability. The best is that only we, meaning the United States, is going to look out for our best interests.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167304.stm

Yet, many of them will still continue to clamor for war. Today it's Iraq, tomorrow it's Iran, then it's Syria. Etc. Ad infinitum. We'll keep invading, marauding, and killing, until "democracy" is brought to everyone in the Middle East - at gun-point.

your completely wrong sir..

Thank god for Seymore Hersh and the New Yorker magazine, I should order a second subscription just as a kudos.

He has been right about everything else this government-of-liars has tried to hide, he's probably right about this.

Let's hope the new democratic congress puts a muzzle on the bullshit-related-program-activities of the defense department and white house.

Everyone should subscribe to the New Yorker, it is the best periodical in the country.

Why do we think that one small, illegally, leaked piece of information is right? Maybe the fellow that did the leaking isn't being entirely truthful. Maybe he doesn't have access to the information that says Iran does have the capability to manufacture nukes.There are lots of good reasons to continue down the path of assuming that they do want the capability. The best is that only we, meaning the United States, is going to look out for our best interests.
This argument might hold more water if it hadn't been used over and over again on the run up to Iraq when people were saying, "Uh, honestly, we don't think Saddam has WMDs".

Why do we think that one small, illegally, leaked piece of information is right? Maybe the fellow that did the leaking isn't being entirely truthful. Maybe he doesn't have access to the information that says Iran does have the capability to manufacture nukes.There are lots of good reasons to continue down the path of assuming that they do want the capability. The best is that only we, meaning the United States, is going to look out for our best interests.

The government has a long history of lying and covering things up, and especially of pressuring the intelligence services.

Sy Hersh has a long history about being spot-on with this kind of thing.

The disgusting scumsuckers in the government are, in all likelihood, trying to pull their same dirty trick again.

Everyone should subscribe to the New Yorker, it is the best periodical in the country.

I shall.

Well recently, whether or not a nation is a threat hasn't really mattered. When war makes profit, expect a lot of it!