Secret aj man
21-11-2006, 05:55
my heart goes out to all injured,or hopefully not worse.
i may be incorrect,but i would imagine germany has pretty strict gun control?
i know it is a egg/chicken argument...but to say by banning guns,one will prevent these kinds of tragedies is foolish...too me at least.
as obviously,this insane tard seemed to get a gun in a country that i assume is pretty harsh about gun ownership.
now i am not saying that people have the right to not be around guns,or that people may be safer without guns around,but really,as an american in a country awash with guns(lots of illegal ones)
i think it would be foolish of me to hope for the gov to protect me.
germany probably does not have 1/millioneth of the guns in the u.s.let alone the laws to allow carry,and yet this still happens?
i dont even want into get into the whole right to defend self/and family...which i believe everyone has the right too..but merely curious about how this can happen in a country...like canada recently...that is pretty anti gun.
let alone,i am pretty sure that machine guns cannot be owned by the general populace...like in the states.
...i think the crime commited in the u.s. with machine guns is about equal to germanys.
go figure?
anyhow...my deepest symphathy to all concerned...
Gunman dies after German school siege
November 21, 2006
A MASKED gunman with explosives strapped to his body ran into a high school in northern Germany today and opened fire on teachers and students, wounding eight, police said.
A caretaker, a pregnant teacher and six students were reportedly injured as they tried to confront the man.
The assailant, who was later found dead, has been identified in German press reports as an 18-year-old former student at the Scholl secondary school in Emsdetten.
He is reported to have killed himself after briefly negotiating with police and as commandos prepared to storm the building.
The attacker was armed with a machine gun and set off a series of explosions during the brief siege, filling classrooms with smoke. Around 20 people, most of them police officers, suffered from smoke inhalation.
His body, badly disfigured, was discovered on the second floor of the school, where he retreated after the police were called and surrounded the building. Police said several pipe bombs were also found by the corpse and it was unclear whether the man had killed himself or died during an explosion.
Bomb disposal experts were called to defuse the devices attached to the body before it could be properly examined. "He is still lying there because he’s wired up," Hans Volkmann, a police officer investigating the attack, said this afternoon.
A teacher at the school was quoted by German press reports naming the attacker as a former pupil called Bastian. Authorities would not confirm the identity but a spokesman for the state prosecutor's office said he believed that the man was known to the police..
The state prosecutor, Wolfgang Schweer, said police had discovered photographs on the internet showing the attacker in military-style uniforms brandishing weapons. He was facing trial tomorrow on weapons offences and left a suicide note that "indicates something of his motive," said Mr Schweer.
"He seems to have been frustrated by a lack of meaning in his life," Mr Schweer told a news conference. "We have no reason to think he had contact with any extremist groups. It appears that he was a loner who decided on his own to do this."
Witnesses said the attacker climbed out of a car and walked into the school yard at around 9.30am local time, opening fire immediately.
Pupils and teachers streamed out of the high school, near Muenster, near the Dutch border, and fled into the street and nearby fields as he entered the main building.
None of the injuries are thought to be serious. The school secretary telephoned the police and first patrol car arrived six minutes after the alarm was raised.
The rest of the 693 pupils at the school, which is for children aged 11-16, were evacuated safely, police said. German television news showed pupils crying in the streets outside Scholl high school, which is in a prosperous suburb.
Katja Weber, a 17-year-old student at the school, said the assailant was known for always wearing a black hat and coat. "He was an absolute loner," she said. "Guns were his hobby."
School shootings and murders are not without precedent in Germany. In 1999, a 15-year-old student stabbed his teacher 21 times after taking bets from his classmates, who did not believe he would do it. He was imprisoned for seven and a half years. In 2002, a former student killed 17 people, including himself, in a classroom massacre in the eastern city of Erfurt.
here's the link:http://www.theaustralian.news.com.a...30-2703,00.html
i just am curious how gun control works when this happens in a country that is draconion about guns,yet in the u.s. we have the same amount of aberration.
i understand there will always be crazies,and it is fundamentally safer if no guns were around,but as this shows..maybe not.
we have zillions of legally owned guns,and all the laws dont change the loner from making a weapon or going on a rampage,so why deprive me the right to defend myself...honest question.
i may be incorrect,but i would imagine germany has pretty strict gun control?
i know it is a egg/chicken argument...but to say by banning guns,one will prevent these kinds of tragedies is foolish...too me at least.
as obviously,this insane tard seemed to get a gun in a country that i assume is pretty harsh about gun ownership.
now i am not saying that people have the right to not be around guns,or that people may be safer without guns around,but really,as an american in a country awash with guns(lots of illegal ones)
i think it would be foolish of me to hope for the gov to protect me.
germany probably does not have 1/millioneth of the guns in the u.s.let alone the laws to allow carry,and yet this still happens?
i dont even want into get into the whole right to defend self/and family...which i believe everyone has the right too..but merely curious about how this can happen in a country...like canada recently...that is pretty anti gun.
let alone,i am pretty sure that machine guns cannot be owned by the general populace...like in the states.
...i think the crime commited in the u.s. with machine guns is about equal to germanys.
go figure?
anyhow...my deepest symphathy to all concerned...
Gunman dies after German school siege
November 21, 2006
A MASKED gunman with explosives strapped to his body ran into a high school in northern Germany today and opened fire on teachers and students, wounding eight, police said.
A caretaker, a pregnant teacher and six students were reportedly injured as they tried to confront the man.
The assailant, who was later found dead, has been identified in German press reports as an 18-year-old former student at the Scholl secondary school in Emsdetten.
He is reported to have killed himself after briefly negotiating with police and as commandos prepared to storm the building.
The attacker was armed with a machine gun and set off a series of explosions during the brief siege, filling classrooms with smoke. Around 20 people, most of them police officers, suffered from smoke inhalation.
His body, badly disfigured, was discovered on the second floor of the school, where he retreated after the police were called and surrounded the building. Police said several pipe bombs were also found by the corpse and it was unclear whether the man had killed himself or died during an explosion.
Bomb disposal experts were called to defuse the devices attached to the body before it could be properly examined. "He is still lying there because he’s wired up," Hans Volkmann, a police officer investigating the attack, said this afternoon.
A teacher at the school was quoted by German press reports naming the attacker as a former pupil called Bastian. Authorities would not confirm the identity but a spokesman for the state prosecutor's office said he believed that the man was known to the police..
The state prosecutor, Wolfgang Schweer, said police had discovered photographs on the internet showing the attacker in military-style uniforms brandishing weapons. He was facing trial tomorrow on weapons offences and left a suicide note that "indicates something of his motive," said Mr Schweer.
"He seems to have been frustrated by a lack of meaning in his life," Mr Schweer told a news conference. "We have no reason to think he had contact with any extremist groups. It appears that he was a loner who decided on his own to do this."
Witnesses said the attacker climbed out of a car and walked into the school yard at around 9.30am local time, opening fire immediately.
Pupils and teachers streamed out of the high school, near Muenster, near the Dutch border, and fled into the street and nearby fields as he entered the main building.
None of the injuries are thought to be serious. The school secretary telephoned the police and first patrol car arrived six minutes after the alarm was raised.
The rest of the 693 pupils at the school, which is for children aged 11-16, were evacuated safely, police said. German television news showed pupils crying in the streets outside Scholl high school, which is in a prosperous suburb.
Katja Weber, a 17-year-old student at the school, said the assailant was known for always wearing a black hat and coat. "He was an absolute loner," she said. "Guns were his hobby."
School shootings and murders are not without precedent in Germany. In 1999, a 15-year-old student stabbed his teacher 21 times after taking bets from his classmates, who did not believe he would do it. He was imprisoned for seven and a half years. In 2002, a former student killed 17 people, including himself, in a classroom massacre in the eastern city of Erfurt.
here's the link:http://www.theaustralian.news.com.a...30-2703,00.html
i just am curious how gun control works when this happens in a country that is draconion about guns,yet in the u.s. we have the same amount of aberration.
i understand there will always be crazies,and it is fundamentally safer if no guns were around,but as this shows..maybe not.
we have zillions of legally owned guns,and all the laws dont change the loner from making a weapon or going on a rampage,so why deprive me the right to defend myself...honest question.