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....Or technically it is. A peace treaty, nor a ceasefire, has been signed to officially end the Korean War. Therefore, it technically is still going on.

Scared you, huh?

Anyways, what are some other wars that are still going on (technically, not blatent such as the Iraq War) or that have officially ended recently (I.E The 3rd Punic War ended in 1990, so someone said in a post in another thread)?

WWII actually.

Japan and Russia have yet to sign a peace treaty.

....Or technically it is. A peace treaty, nor a ceasefire, has been signed to officially end the Korean War. Therefore, it technically is still going on.

Scared you, huh?

Anyways, what are some other wars that are still going on (technically, not blatent such as the Iraq War) or that have officially ended recently (I.E The 3rd Punic War ended in 1990, so someone said in a post in another thread)?

im sure the punic wars ended at like...146 BC IIRC

im sure the punic wars ended at like...146 BC IIRC

Rome (Or, Vatican City) didn't sign a peace treaty until 1990, thus officially ending the war.

(I.E The 3rd Punic War ended in 1990, so someone said in a post in another thread)?
I'm thinking you mean WWII in Europe. When Germany was reunified they finally drew up a proper peace treaty (http://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/2plusfour8994e.htm), including recognition of Poland's border and so on.

Rome (Or, Vatican City) didn't sign a peace treaty until 1990, thus officially ending the war.

Who did they sign it with? Carthage is gone as a nation and its people long ago ceased to be a ethnic and/or cultural identity iirc.

I seem to recall England and Denmark discovering they had been at war for centuries without knowing it.

Berwick upon Tweed was at war with Russia for 150 yrs or so. I think they declared peace in the early 90s.

Mind you, they are slightly challenged in the brain department up there.

I'm thinking you mean WWII in Europe. When Germany was reunified they finally drew up a proper peace treaty (http://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/2plusfour8994e.htm), including recognition of Poland's border and so on.

In the thread "Vatican City vs. Madagascar", somebody posted the "specs" of Vatican City, and mentioned that they didn't officially end the 3rd Punic War until a peace treaty was signed in 1990.

Who did they sign it with? Carthage is gone as a nation and its people long ago ceased to be a ethnic and/or cultural identity iirc.

The city of Carthage?

In the thread "Vatican City vs. Madagascar", somebody posted the "specs" of Vatican City, and mentioned that they didn't officially end the 3rd Punic War until a peace treaty was signed in 1990.
Yeah, I don't see how that could be a legally binding sort of thing. Even assuming (and that's one big-ass assumption) that the Vatican could take over the legal responsibilities of the Roman Republic...they'd have no one to sign the treaty with, because Carthage isn't represented by anyone.

The US and North Korea didn't declare war on each other so there's nothing for a peace treaty to end.

....Or technically it is. A peace treaty, nor a ceasefire, has been signed to officially end the Korean War. Therefore, it technically is still going on.

Scared you, huh?

Anyways, what are some other wars that are still going on (technically, not blatent such as the Iraq War) or that have officially ended recently (I.E The 3rd Punic War ended in 1990, so someone said in a post in another thread)?
Okay, you had me going. :p

The US and North Korea didn't declare war on each other so there's nothing for a peace treaty to end.

That is true.

The city of Carthage?

Gone. The Romans so utterly destroyed it they almost obliterated it from the archeological record.

Gone. The Romans so utterly destroyed it they almost obliterated it from the archeological record.

Ouch. Stinks for the enemies of Rome.

Anyways, Pantylvania: that is true. I should've said that "South Korea is at war with North Korea".

Ok, taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Punic_War

"Trivia

In February of 1985, Ugo Vetere, the mayor of Rome, and Chedly Klibi, the mayor of Tunis, signed a symbolic treaty "officially" ending the war after more than 2200 years."

Also, Carthage is considered a suburb of Tunis, so the mayor of Tunis is in charge of Carthage.

Gone. The Romans so utterly destroyed it they almost obliterated it from the archeological record.

Pshaw.

I've been to carthage. It's in tunisia. Granted the ruins are all Roman, but it's still there.

Berwick upon Tweed was at war with Russia for 150 yrs or so. I think they declared peace in the early 90s.

Not so; Berwick was not mentioned specially in either the original declaration of war, or the peace treaty, as it was included in England.

if america is technacly still at war with north korea i think that my nation will be able to donate 1 nukular weapon for the americans to use on north korea to blow up Kin Jong Ill. o hell if i was the presedent of america and north korea started screwing with me i would press that nuke bution in a heartbeat
and blow him off the map and thats what you gotta do these days but the democrats keep wanting to talk with the terrorist and north korea you cant talk with these people you have to destroy this desease by cleaning them up!! and the mop is that nukular bomb that is siting on the airfield rite now wiating to be blown up!

if america is technacly still at war with north korea i think that my nation will be able to donate 1 nukular weapon for the americans to use on north korea to blow up Kin Jong Ill. o hell if i was the presedent of america and north korea started screwing with me i would press that nuke bution in a heartbeat
and blow him off the map and thats what you gotta do these days but the democrats keep wanting to talk with the terrorist and north korea you cant talk with these people you have to destroy this desease by cleaning them up!! and the mop is that nukular bomb that is siting on the airfield rite now wiating to be blown up!

You talk too fast~! :eek:

You talk too fast~! :eek:

lol :D

Anyways, L-Carnitine: If the U.S. were to do that, then war would be declared on it from Russia, China, and South Korea (China and South Korea for fallout issues, Russia for just having a sour relationship with the U.S.). Now, you can't tell me the U.S. can win THAT war, even if it has Britain on its side (because all the other allies of the United States wouldn't be dumb enough to enter that war).

In February of 1985, Ugo Vetere, the mayor of Rome, and Chedly Klibi, the mayor of Tunis, signed a symbolic treaty "officially" ending the war after more than 2200 years."
The main word being "symbolic". It's not part of international law.

Not so; Berwick was not mentioned specially in either the original declaration of war, or the peace treaty, as it was included in England.

I really do remember something about this. But you could be right and it is all the product of the deluded tweedside imagination.

Didn't some mayor do something with the russians though? I remember that.

I really do remember something about this. But you could be right and it is all the product of the deluded tweedside imagination.

Didn't some mayor do something with the russians though? I remember that.

Yea, he concluded a "treaty" with a Russian ambassador which, despite being far beyond his remit, was based on the untrue perception that Berwick had been mentioned in the declaration of war but not in the peace treaty.

Yea, he concluded a "treaty" with a Russian ambassador which, despite being far beyond his remit, was based on the untrue perception that Berwick had been mentioned in the declaration of war but not in the peace treaty.

You should tell the berwick people then. They do tend to cling to this myth. Ad Nauseum.

Though as I said, Tweedsiders. (Though I suppose they fooled me, so what do I know).

WWII actually.

Japan and Russia have yet to sign a peace treaty.

Meh, that was the USSR and the Empire of Japan. Neither of those states even exists anymore, so I don't think it'd be fair to say their successor-states are at war even technically.

Meh, that was the USSR and the Empire of Japan. Neither of those states even exists anymore, so I don't think it'd be fair to say their successor-states are at war even technically.
Depends on the technicalities. The German Supreme Court for example ruled that the Federal Republic is the legal successor of the Third Reich.

Depends on the technicalities. The German Supreme Court for example ruled that the Federal Republic is the legal successor of the Third Reich.

But has anyone ruled that Russia is the legal successor of the Soviet Union?

But has anyone ruled that Russia is the legal successor of the Soviet Union?
Well, pretty much:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union#Foreign_relations
After the dissolution of the Soviet Union on December 25, 1991, Russia claimed to be the legal successor to the Soviet state on the international stage. In such way, Russia, voluntarily accepted all of USSR foreign debt and claimed USSR's foreign property as its own. To prevent subsequent disputes over Soviet Union property, "Zero Variant" treaty was suggested to new independent states. Ukrainian Parliament has not ratified this treaty. Several disputed legal regulation acts left after USSR dissolution, Russia simply claims that USSR should be read as Russia, while formally it is not. Russian foreign policy repudiated Marxism-Leninism as a guide to action, soliciting Western support for capitalist reforms in post-Soviet Russia.

And Japan, well, the Emperor stayed in power, so I'd say a pretty strong case could be made. But then, the constitution of Japan may have more to say about that. Ask NERVUN or Daistallia about that.

And Japan, well, the Emperor stayed in power, so I'd say a pretty strong case could be made. But then, the constitution of Japan may have more to say about that. Ask NERVUN or Daistallia about that.
The government didn't fall with the Empire, the empire just contracted back to the home islands (minus the ones that Russia and Japan are currently arguing over, hence why they've never signed a treaty ending WWII). The only thing that changed was how the government was run, the organs of the state, the Diet and Emperor, remained.

So, yes, technically speaking, WWII is still going on and will till these two sit down and sign something.

Who did they sign it with? Carthage is gone as a nation and its people long ago ceased to be a ethnic and/or cultural identity iirc.

I seem to recall England and Denmark discovering they had been at war for centuries without knowing it.

Morocco signed for them....

Morocco signed for them....

Shouldn't it have been Tunisia?

Shouldn't it have been Tunisia?

Actually I am way off.

In February of 1985, Ugo Vetere, the mayor of Rome, and Chedly Klibi, the mayor of Tunis, signed a symbolic treaty "officially" ending the war after more than 2200 years.

It wasn't the Vatican.

Can I claim the American and lack of geography defense? How about lack of sleep? ;)

Actually I am way off.

In February of 1985, Ugo Vetere, the mayor of Rome, and Chedly Klibi, the mayor of Tunis, signed a symbolic treaty "officially" ending the war after more than 2200 years.

It wasn't the Vatican.

Can I claim the American and lack of geography defense? How about lack of sleep? ;)

You can claim lack of sleep. If you try the American Geography Defence I will come to your house and ofrce feed you the Britannica Atlas.:p

dude, this is like 50 years OFN.

Just as a formal declaration of war isn't needed to start a war, a formal peace treaty is not required to end one. It is the de facto situation one has to examine, including the relations between the countries and whether or not hostile actions are occuring.

Seeing as the armistice agreed upon by the two countries is holding, one could ask if it was incorrect to say that they were still at war.

By the way, "Technically at war" would probably not be an acceptable excuse for the resumption of hostilities under international law.

I don't know whether it's true, but I heard that Sweden and San Marino only recently officially declared peace, having been at war during the... Thirty Years War of the 17th century.

I don't know whether it's true, but I heard that Sweden and San Marino only recently officially declared peace, having been at war during the... Thirty Years War of the 17th century.

Maybe it should be renamed the 30 Decades War?

WWII actually.

Japan and Russia have yet to sign a peace treaty.

They are just negotiating the price

....Or technically it is. A peace treaty, nor a ceasefire, has been signed to officially end the Korean War. Therefore, it technically is still going on.

Scared you, huh?

By posting this oldie? No.

Anyways, what are some other wars that are still going on (technically, not blatent such as the Iraq War) or that have officially ended recently (I.E The 3rd Punic War ended in 1990, so someone said in a post in another thread)?

The Seminole Wars had no formal peace treaty.

No Surrender!
By May 10, 1842, when a frustrated President John Tyler
ordered the end of military actions against the Seminoles,
over $20 million had been spent, 1500 American soldiers
had died and still no formal peace treaty had been signed.

Survival In The Swamp
The Seminoles began the 20th century where
they had been left at the conclusion of the Seminole
Wars - in abject poverty, hiding out in remote
camps in the wet wilderness areas of South Florida.
http://www.seminoletribe.com/history/index.shtml

And Japan, well, the Emperor stayed in power, so I'd say a pretty strong case could be made. But then, the constitution of Japan may have more to say about that. Ask NERVUN or Daistallia about that.

The government didn't fall with the Empire, the empire just contracted back to the home islands (minus the ones that Russia and Japan are currently arguing over, hence why they've never signed a treaty ending WWII). The only thing that changed was how the government was run, the organs of the state, the Diet and Emperor, remained.

So, yes, technically speaking, WWII is still going on and will till these two sit down and sign something.

That's my understanding. It's also what was taught in my intro Comparitive Politics class (back in 19 dickity 9, we had to say dickity because the president had put the number ninety into exile.... apologies to Abe), and as far as I know, it hasn't changed. ;) (I think I'd know if there'd been a major change in government, as I've lived here since about 2 years after that...)

Rome (Or, Vatican City) didn't sign a peace treaty until 1990, thus officially ending the war.

The Vatican City isn't heir to the Roman Empire. Turkey is, because they substituted the Eastern Roman Empire.

Anyway... the Punic Wars ended because one of the sides involved was terminated. So, no Carthagineans to-day.

The Vatican City isn't heir to the Roman Empire. Turkey is, because they substituted the Eastern Roman Empire.

Anyway... the Punic Wars ended because one of the sides involved was terminated. So, no Carthagineans to-day.

Forgot the Turks. The Greeks would dispute that, they sort of believe Constantine Palaeologus is just sleeping and he'll come back to help them retake Constantinople.

And yeah, the Carthaginians did get pretty terminated. Nothing like sowing salt in the fields to discourage rebuilding, though as someone said up above, the Romans did found a colony there eventually. I guess the site was too good to let go.

then there is Liechtenstein "Liechtenstein is thus the last independent state in Europe which can claim an element of continuity from the Holy Roman Empire." if you take that the HRE was continuation/Restart of the Western Roman Empire

Although no actual fighting ever took place, Finland and UK have been at war since WW2.