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Some guy speaks out about Putin, so he puts rat poison in his food? (Well, not personally of course) That's using terror to promote a poltical adgenda. If Bush is serious about the war on terror, he needs to go after Putin next. Now, I'm not suggesting we get involved in a land war in Russia. That'd be silly. I'm just saying that Putin needs to be removed from terror. Er... power. Forcefully, if need be.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/World/Rest_of_World/Police_investigating_ex-spys_poisoning/articleshow/496569.cms

LONDON: Scotland Yard said on Sunday that Litvinenko was in a "serious but stable" condition after tests confirmed traces of the rat poison called thallium in his body. Scotland Yard confirmed it was investigating the alleged poisoning of the Russian former security agent and critic of president Putin, living in exile in Britain.

Litvinenko said his Italian contact "gave me some papers which contained some names on it perhaps names of those who may have been involved in the murder of Anna Politkovskaya, and several hours after the meeting I started to feel sick."

It was two weeks before he felt seriously ill and he was admitted into hospital. Police have confirmed the investigation. He was taken to hospital when he began vomiting violently.

He has been a controversial figure in Russia since he claimed in 1998 that his FSB or former KGB bosses had ordered him to assassinate the Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky. He fell out with the Kremlin and fled to Britain, where he was given political asylum.

The FSB categorically denied the claim. Five years later, Litvinenko tipped off Scotland Yard about what he said was a plot to kill Putin.

On Sunday, Litvinenko's friend and fellow-British exile Berezovksky spoke out against the allegedly authoritarian regime of Putin. Berezovksy, exiled Russian billionaire and alleged thorn in Putin's flesh, said there was no doubt Litvinenko was targeted by agents on Putin's behalf.

Berezovsky said, "I know people in Britain find it hard to believe that someone who is a leader of a G8 country and someone who struts across the world stage as a democrat could order something like this to be done. But people need to understood he (Putin) is a bandit".

"Targeted killings" silly.

There's another thread out on this. I, personally, think that the Russian Government has something to do with it.

If so, then that means....that Stalin is teh back.

It's not terrorism if a nation who is an ally of America does it. It's only terrorism when America says so.

stuff

*goes back to watching TV*

Seriously though, you can't beat an ex-KGB colonel at his own game. Unless you want some Spy vs. Spy action.

It's not terrorism if a nation who is an ally of America does it. It's only terrorism when America says so.

Not according to the Patriot Act.

It states [along the lines of] that someone who breaks the law of the government is a terrorist.

I have to admit that I have J-Walked in my life. Oh no...

its not terrorism its not targeted at the masses or inteneded to cause fear in the population, it a trageted assasination attempt, however as much as the finger points at russia and putin i doubt we will even know who really was behind it

Not according to the Patriot Act.

It states [along the lines of] that someone who breaks the law of the government is a terrorist.

I have to admit that I have J-Walked in my life. Oh no...
TERRORIST! How dare you cross the road! :p

its not terrorism its not targeted as the masses or inteneded to cause fear in the population, it a trgetes assasination attempt, however as much as the finger points at russia and putin i doubt we will even know who really was behind it

O RLY?

You speak out against Putin, you get rat poison in your food. Pretty effective fear causing there, eh?

O RLY?

You speak out against Putin, you get rat poison in your food. Pretty effective fear causing there, eh?

if i peak out againt putin i will not get killed it was politcally motivated. the person was a former kgb agent, its not targeted at mass against the population. its using fear but its not terrorism

I smell a sitcom. :p

if i peak out againt putin i will not get killed it was politcally motivated. the person was a former kgb agent, its not targeted at mass against the population. its using fear but its not terrorism

the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/teach/alqaeda/glossary.html

They're trying to cooerce the society not to speak out against Putin by unlawful use of violence against an individual.

I smell a sitcom. :p

I smell a gameshow.

And now ladies and gentlemen, leeeeeets play "Who Wants to Mess With Puuuuutin!?"

I smell a sitcom. :p

I don't even know how to reply to that.

I don't even know how to reply to that.

Hit the "reply" button to the lower-right of the posts.

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They're trying to cooerce the society not to speak out against Putin by unlawful use of violence against an individual.


if it wasnt botched to populis wouldnt have know about, dont get me wrong im not trying to condone it, im mearly tating how i dont belive its a terrorist action, however its not going to happen any removal of putin because russia is to engrained with europe and its institutions it has an observer seat in most EU institutions and plays a active role within europe, it also is a major exporter of energy to european countries, so a Putin removal is unlikly to happen

St Jello Biafra;11977157']Hit the "reply" button to the lower-left of the posts.

Gasp. Your fell wit has wounded me deeply. Excuse me while a gasp out my last remaining breaths.

if it wasnt botched to populis wouldnt have know about, dont get me wrong im not trying to condone it, im mearly tating how i dont belive its a terrorist action, however its not going to happen any removal of putin because russia is to engrained with europe and its institutions it has an observer seat in most EU institutions and plays a active role within europe, it also is a major exporter of energy to european countries, so a Putin removal is unlikly to happen

Bah. Screw Europe's energy needs. The removal of a terrorist from a position of power is more important.

St Jello Biafra;11977157']Hit the "reply" button to the lower-right of the posts.

Clicking the "quote" button will provide a more pleasing and easily-indexed effect.

Bah. Screw Europe's energy needs. The removal of a terrorist from a position of power is more important.

its not going to happen though

I smell a gameshow.

And now ladies and gentlemen, leeeeeets play "Who Wants to Mess With Puuuuutin!?"

A game that really is about life and death! :p

A game that really is about life and death! :p

LOL! So true.

But is it me or (if it's true that this was ordered by Putin) is it true that this is reflecting Mario's Regime?

I smell a gameshow.

And now ladies and gentlemen, leeeeeets play "Who Wants to Mess With Puuuuutin!?"

Remember when Putin took that guy's Superbowl ring, and he was to scared to ask for it back?

Remember when Putin took that guy's Superbowl ring, and he was to scared to ask for it back?

Or the tummy kissing. That's got to be terrorism!

Remember when Putin took that guy's Superbowl ring, and he was to scared to ask for it back?

I don't, but that just proves my theory of Putin ruling by fear because he knows Karate; just like Mario (except I don't think he knew Karate, but he did know Genocide).

Remember when Putin took that guy's Superbowl ring, and he was to scared to ask for it back?
:confused:

Screw Europe's energy needs.

I'm tempted to make this a sig :)


The removal of a terrorist from a position of power is more important.

heh, you'd have to clean house in the CIA, White House, military, and the equivilant insitiutions in many many other nations to remove all terrorists from power.

How to eliminate Putin: A multi-step plan

1. Invite Putin to a major peace conference in Eilat, Israel or somewhere else in the Middle East. Hold this during the summer.
2. Wait for a heat wave.
3. Sabotage the air conditioning.
4. Watch Putin melt.

heh, you'd have to clean house in the CIA, White House, military, and the equivilant insitiutions in many many other nations to remove all terrorists from power.

So true...so true.

How to eliminate Putin: A multi-step plan

1. Invite Putin to a major peace conference in Eilat, Israel or somewhere else in the Middle East. Hold this during the summer.
2. Wait for a heat wave.
3. Sabotage the air conditioning.
4. Watch Putin melt.

lol, Putin isn't the Wicked Witch of the West.

Anyways, I say to get rid of Putin, you do it "Abbasid style".

:confused:

A little bit back, a coach from a US football team was visiting Russia and was getting personally shown around the Kremlim by Putin (I forget which coach it was, but he was a pretty big shot). A one point in the tour they got to talking about the guy's Superbowl ring, and Putin asked if he could see it. The man took off his ring and gave it to Putin, expecting him to look at it and give it back. Putin looked at it, slipped it into his pocket, and went on with the tour without another word about it. The guy, knowing Putin's reputation and position, was to intimidated to ask for it back. So Putin still has it to this day. The whole thing was caught on camera, it's accully pretty funny :)

I'm sorry, it wasn't a coach, it was Robert Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots, and it was his 2005 Superbowl ring Putin took.

He was at a meeting of American business owners meeting with Putin. Rupert Murdoch was standing with them at the time.

Putin is RUSSIAN. He might melt in the face of that level of heat.

Putin is RUSSIAN. He might melt in the face of that level of heat.

but putin is also ex kgb

heh, you'd have to clean house in the CIA, White House, military, and the equivilant insitiutions in many many other nations to remove all terrorists from power.

Well, we'd better get started than, shouldn't we? I mean, WTF's this in Iraq? There's still terrorists there! Get your act together Bush! You've only got two more years! Sanction the use of the gorram Gungans already! In the face of that, Iraq will be a model commnuity dedicated to helping old ladies across the street and making love at odd hours of the day within months!

In Soviet Russia KGB killed for Government, in Putin's Russia, Government kill KGB!

I like the Russians denail:

"We would have done it in a more professional way"

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I like the Russians denail:

"We would have done it in a more professional way"

....

They have a point there actually.

Not according to the Patriot Act.

It states [along the lines of] that someone who breaks the law of the government is a terrorist.

I have to admit that I have J-Walked in my life. Oh no...

so, does that mean everyone in warsaw is a terrorist?

TERRORIST! How dare you cross the road! :p

*dies laughing*

I don't even know how to reply to that.

Apparently you do. :)

Yep, Mr Putin isn't likely to disdain good ol' KGB style, since he used to be a KGB officer... Anyway, I wouldn't call it terrorism: it isn't aimed at scaring people. It is a plain assassination attempt, following Stalin's saying: "if a man is creating a problem, just kill the man and you have solved the problem", more or less. Just like Anna Politkovskaja. Killing is held a very effective way of dealing with political issues in today Russia.:(

However, the "italian contact" is no guarantee... that guy is the very same guy (as reported by italian state TV) who took the supposed "Mitrokhin affaire" to Italy - a parliamentary inquest followed, and turned out there were no proofs of any crime or big secrets at all. What a fraud he is...:rolleyes: Remember who gave CIA the hint about yellowcake uranium in Iraq... the italian secret service, under the Berlusconi cabinet's sway...

PS.I would like to know how could anyone remove forcefully the russian president from his office... since he's got his finger on the button of the largest nuclear arsenal of the world. And no, it is impossible to intercept a Topol-M.:cool:

my theory of Putin ruling by fear because he knows Karate

Judo. I've seen a book here in Italy whose title is "Learn Judo with Putin" (Impara il Judo con Putin). REALLY!:rolleyes: With PICS of Putin in kimono! Gosh.

Business as usual.

I'd say that this kind of thing has been going on since the Cold War, but that would be far too short-sighted. This is Machiavelli's Il Principe at its finest. Better yet, this is a throw back to the bloody politics of Rome that it was based on. How can you honestly be shocked by the kind of thing that has been going on the world over for millennia? Because it made it into the news?

Frankly, I think we’ve gone soft regarding politics in the last hundred years or so. The fact that this IS shocking is clearly a sign that the West has become to civilized for its own good.

It's not terrorism if a nation who is an ally of America does it. It's only terrorism when America says so.

Nah, it's just not terrorism when the country is more than half America's size.

Business as usual.

I'd say that this kind of thing has been going on since the Cold War, but that would be far too short-sighted. This is Machiavelli's Il Principe at its finest. Better yet, this is a throw back to the bloody politics of Rome that it was based on. How can you honestly be shocked by the kind of thing that has been going on the world over for millennia? Because it made it into the news?

Frankly, I think we’ve gone soft regarding politics in the last hundred years or so. The fact that this IS shocking is clearly a sign that the West has become to civilized for its own good.

What? You think politicians need to start killing each other again? Admittly it would make good entertainment but I don't think it would help the politics.

No, I am assuming a position I don't personally hold in order to stimulate discussion and offer a sense of greater perspective.

Up until very recently, political influence was commonly projected through acts of violence, coercion, and intimidation. The fact that this type of thing is shocking today actually illustrates how much progress we've made in the past century. I was trying to be provocative simply to offer that historical perspective because it appears most people aren't even aware that progress has occurred. Or, otherwise, it is simply taken for granted that politics have become much tamer lately.

Of course, the fact that these things still happen, as this example illustrates, does put into question exactly how much progress has been made…