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link (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/20/bus.crash.ap/index.html)
This happened just down the road from me and police spokesman Wendell Johnson said that none of the children had seat belts. It dosn't matter what the cost will be, School busses need seat belts.

i don't think a lot of kids would actually use them.

link (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/20/bus.crash.ap/index.html)
This happened just down the road from me and police spokesman Wendell Johnson said that none of the children had seat belts. It dosn't matter what the cost will be, School busses need seat belts.

To be fair, in a wreck like that, major injuries and probable deaths would be expected even with seatbelts.

i don't think a lot of kids would actually use them.
Or would use them to tie up the little nerdy kids

No school buses have seat belts. Also a school bus is the safest way to travel on the road.

Since they haven't commented on the cause of the accident I don't get how stupidity has anything to do with this event.

I don't think they would have mattered much...

No school buses have seat belts. Also a school bus is the safest way to travel on the road.

Since they haven't commented on the cause of the accident I don't get how stupidity has anything to do with this event.

But, but, it's FOR THE CHILDREN!!! YOU WANT CHILDREN TO DIE!!!!


[sarcasm off]

If the school buses have seat belts and the kids don't wear 'em, they should all be up for the darwin awards, as well as teens who don't buckle up and die in crashes as happens frequently in my state.

To judge by the picture, the injuries would be as a result of the force of the bus landing as it did, I doubt there was much forward/backward force which a seatbelt would have prevented.
I imagine most injuries on that bus are of a spinal nature, or as a result of force exerted through the spine. Some students might have been in positions they otherwise wouldnt have been in if they had seatbelts, but I bet they would have been injured anyway.

No school buses have seat belts. Also a school bus is the safest way to travel on the road.

Since they haven't commented on the cause of the accident I don't get how stupidity has anything to do with this event.



The cause is still under investigation (Its all over the local TV here) What I refer to as stupid is the fact that almost every school bus in America does not have seat belts. You get a ticket if you drive your car without wearing a seat belt. Why is there no such law to protect our children?

i don't think a lot of kids would actually use them.

Both of my kid's buses have them and the children are required to put them on. They also have the high-backed seats that probably prevent some injury.

We're in a gated community-the bus comes directly here and picks up all the kids at one pavillion-then after loading with kids,the driver walks the aisle back to the front to make sure they are belted in-then drives directly 6 miles to the school. There arent any other stops, so I guess its easier to enforce than a bus that stops many times on a route.

That story is a tragedy.

To be fair, in a wreck like that, major injuries and probable deaths would be expected even with seatbelts.

Perhaps, but not as likely - no seatbelts means being thrown all over the place. Seatbelts means less chance of that, thus less chance of dying from head injuries etc.

HEADLINE: Kid dies after bullies strangle him with seatbelt on school bus

...Also a school bus is the safest way to travel on the road...

Not in Greater Manchester (England, UK) they aren't - unprofessional, poorly-trained (if trained at all) drivers who should have their licences removed. We definitely need seatbelts here, but apart from supposed expense, one thing that I think is making things difficult is that I think there's a law that people must wear seatbelts where fitted, making it difficult for people just going short journeys - but the government could modify the law and still have seatbelts fitted for those going on long journeys

Perhaps, but not as likely - no seatbelts means being thrown all over the place. Seatbelts means less chance of that, thus less chance of dying from head injuries etc.

More chance of being trapped in a roll-over or fire.

HEADLINE: Kid dies after bullies strangle him with seatbelt on school bus

Which is why we need better drivers and need to bring back inspectors. I went to Leeds recently, people were messing about on the free bus and the driver threatened to chuck em off. In Greater Manchester, the drivers are too scared or can't be arsed. In any case, there are usually pleanty of children on buses at hometime, and I'm sure some of them would step in to stop a person dying (unlike bleeding adults, of which I am ashamed to say I am one).

I've never been on a school bus that even had seatbelts. I dont think that there is any practicality in even providing them. The children will refuse to wear them anyway. School buses are already very safe, accidents like this would have rendered any used seatbelts useless.

School buses should be banned!

I've never been on a school bus that even had seatbelts. I dont think that there is any practicality in even providing them. The children will refuse to wear them anyway. School buses are already very safe, accidents like this would have rendered any used seatbelts useless.

No, they are not - not in GM UK anyway

And drivers could make kids wear such seatbelts. One problem is, we have hardly any school buses in UK so the driver doesn't know, on a normal bus, how far the kids are travelling - wearing a seatbelt for a few seconds for one or two bus stops seems pretty pointless

A thirty foot plunge in a school bus? That had to be absolutely terrifying beyond comprehension.

They dont mention the driver-It's incredible that the driver could have survived.

I don't think they would have mattered much...

Well in this case, the bus landed headlights first onto the ground below (off the side of an interstate overpass then 30 feet down) so you gotta figure some of the kids were thrown to the front whereas they wouldn't have been thrown if they had seat belts.

Well in this case, the bus landed headlights first onto the ground below (off the side of an interstate overpass then 30 feet down) so you gotta figure some of the kids were thrown to the front whereas they wouldn't have been thrown if they had seat belts.

Actually, if it's anything like the school buses I remember, they'd hit the seat in front of them, with or without. Sides, after thirty feet, anyone who would have been killed will be killed.

Actually, if it's anything like the school buses I remember, they'd hit the seat in front of them, with or without. Sides, after thirty feet, anyone who would have been killed will be killed.

A child could grab the seat in front of him/her (bracing themselves) and could easily, only suffer a broken arm. But pading on the seats should also be instaled. I'm fairly confident that school busses here in Huntsville will undergo some major changes in the very near future and I hope the idea catches on, nationwide.

A child could grab the seat in front of him/her (bracing themselves) and could easily, only suffer a broken arm. But pading on the seats should also be instaled. I'm fairly confident that school busses here in Huntsville will undergo some major changes in the very near future and I hope the idea catches on, nationwide.

What sort of padding? They weren't the most comfortable things but the seats were definitely padded. And uuhh...yeah, they could brace themselves...What does that have to do with seatbelts? Heck, that's a reason they don't need them.

What sort of padding? They weren't the most comfortable things but the seats were definitely padded. And uuhh...yeah, they could brace themselves...What does that have to do with seatbelts? Heck, that's a reason they don't need them.

Seatbelts to keep them from flying to the front of the bus, Padding (I don't know, foam rubber or something) to keep them from injuring their head on the seat in front of them. (whatever it takes) Break all the crash test dummies that is nessecary. They can make more.

Seatbelts to keep them from flying to the front of the bus, Padding (I don't know, foam rubber or something) to keep them from injuring their head on the seat in front of them.

Well, in order for the seats to still be able to survive the kids (i.e. stay the same structurally), yet not injure them at all, you're looking at about...one or two feet of foam rubber?

A child could grab the seat in front of him/her (bracing themselves) and could easily, only suffer a broken arm. But pading on the seats should also be instaled. I'm fairly confident that school busses here in Huntsville will undergo some major changes in the very near future and I hope the idea catches on, nationwide.

Heh. That's a funny idea. Here's what I want you to do: Run as fast as you can at a wall, with your arms outstretched, and try to stop yourself with your arms before planting face first into the wall.

Little hint: It's not going to happen. In a crash, you cannot brace yourself with your arms alone.

Anywho, back to seat belts in school buses. In freak accidents like this, then yes a seat belt may have reduced injury. However, in most accident, it is a rearending or t-bone(side swipe), which would actually make seatbelts MORE dangerous. Why, you ask?

Well consider:

In a rearending, when you are hit in the rear for instance, you are jolted forward quickly. Now, school buses generally have seats that are not very wide. The back of the seat in front of you is very close, is what I mean. If you were to have a seat belt on, your body would be restrained back, but your head would not. The problem here, is that when you are jolted forward, your head snaps forward, and could hit the back of seat in front of you, causing even more damage. Without a seatbelt, you are thrown forward a bit, and usually your body will take much of the blow.

In a t-bone instance, say the bus is hit somewhere in the middle. If the children are wearing seatbelts, and the crash is severe enough, they are trapped in the wreckage, and may sustain more damage. Now, if they have no seatbelts, they will likely be thrown from their seat, not being trapped in the wreckage, and can much more easily escape.

Really, seatbelts on buses are only good for a small minority of crashes, and in most cases, not having a seatbelt on a bus is far safer than having them.

Shock and awe.

I think this crash is evidence that all children should travel to school the same way I did -- walk. Or have your parents drive you.

No School Buses, no Seat Belt issue.

Heh. That's a funny idea. Here's what I want you to do: Run as fast as you can at a wall, with your arms outstretched, and try to stop yourself with your arms before planting face first into the wall.

That probably wouldn't be the best way. Preferablely some kind of forearm block, and your head hitting the inside of your arms.

How about bus drivers who don't drive busses off cliffs Kthx

More chance of being trapped in a roll-over or fire.

But what are the chances of a fire vs just structural damage? I have heard of several bus wrecks in my lifetime and rarely hear of them blowing up.

All I remember about school buses as a teenager was that they were insufferably small and I couldn't stand up right, and I'm short...

I hate school buses. Especially since these stupid buses get the right of way because of a bunch of whiny, snotty brats.

How about bus drivers who don't drive busses off cliffs Kthx

Yeah, that would help too...

Incidentally:

http://www.wtf.org/

i don't think a lot of kids would actually use them.

Yep, people don't use the belts on the busses.

Also, even with seatbelts, deaths from accidents such as that are inevitable.

Yep, people don't use the belts on the busses.

Also, even with seatbelts, deaths from accidents such as that are inevitable.
Seats belts only help to reduce the overall number of resulting deaths - aka, those which are inherently preventable, not those which are based on the situation inevitable.

How about bus drivers who don't drive busses off cliffs Kthx

Thats the real issue, seatbelts would be a reaction to the fact that you have unqualified bus drivers. After all, you don't put cushions on the bottom of a cliff in case people fall off, you put a frickin fence there so people don't fall of int he first place.

Kids should always be packed in foam peanuts for transport. *nod*

Kids should always be packed in foam peanuts for transport. *nod*

What about bubble wrap? That's what I plan on using....:)

link (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/20/bus.crash.ap/index.html)
This happened just down the road from me and police spokesman Wendell Johnson said that none of the children had seat belts. It dosn't matter what the cost will be, School busses need seat belts.

School buses need better drivers. That happened here and I can personally attest school bus drivers are fucking insane.
And I'm pretty sure seatbelts won't protect you when driving head first off a fucking overpass.

What about bubble wrap? That's what I plan on using....:)

Bubble wrap is acceptable. But don't use crumpled up newspaper. *nod*

i don't think a lot of kids would actually use them.

Good point! Because I feel we need 2 adults on board each school bus. The driver and another to watch the kids. This 2nd adult (along with assisting children with their seatbelts) could also step off the bus each time a child gets off to make sure all traffic that is suppose to stop, does stop so a child dosn't get ran over. And the presence of a 2nd adult could stop a fight if one breaks out.

All children should be required to be wrapped in a ball of bubble wrap 3 feet thick till they are 18.


EDIT dammit dammit dammit i got beat to it.

Now that I think about it and knowing the bus drivers here, the driver probably tried to take a way too tight turn at way too high a speed.

And I'm pretty sure seatbelts won't protect you when driving head first off a fucking overpass.

Can protect you better than the front windshield of the bus.

All children should be required to be wrapped in a ball of bubble wrap 3 feet thick till they are 18.


EDIT dammit dammit dammit i got beat to it.

Full points for trying. :)

Can protect you better than the front windshield of the bus.

All right. To reiterate my previous post.

In most cases, on school buses, seatbelts will cause more damage. Only in a very small minority of crashes will they help more than harm.

You are using a single, very rare, very freak, accident for your justification. Let's look at this:

A few years back, one of my coworker's husband was in a car crash. In this car crash, the side of the car hit a tree on the passenger's side, completely totally the passenger side. Now, my coworker's husband was in the passanger seat, and was not wearing a seatbelt. Due to this, he was thrown into the back seat before they hit the tree, and suffered massive injuries. However, had he worn his seatbelt, he most assuredly would have been killed.

Following your logic, it is a bad idea to wear a seatbelt, as I have proven that in one case, not wearing a seatbelt saved a man's life.

However, that is not how things work. The idea is not protect against the very few, freak accidents, but to protect the massive majority of accidents. And, the massive majority of accident on buses would cause more harm if seatbelts were used. One freak accident is not a good reason.

All right. To reiterate my previous post.

In most cases, on school buses, seatbelts will cause more damage. Only in a very small minority of crashes will they help more than harm.

You are using a single, very rare, very freak, accident for your justification. Let's look at this:

A few years back, one of my coworker's husband was in a car crash. In this car crash, the side of the car hit a tree on the passenger's side, completely totally the passenger side. Now, my coworker's husband was in the passanger seat, and was not wearing a seatbelt. Due to this, he was thrown into the back seat before they hit the tree, and suffered massive injuries. However, had he worn his seatbelt, he most assuredly would have been killed.

Following your logic, it is a bad idea to wear a seatbelt, as I have proven that in one case, not wearing a seatbelt saved a man's life.

However, that is not how things work. The idea is not protect against the very few, freak accidents, but to protect the massive majority of accidents. And, the massive majority of accident on buses would cause more harm if seatbelts were used. One freak accident is not a good reason.

Sorry to hear about coworker's husband but THAT is a freak accident. Seatbelts save more lives than they take away. link (http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/seat_belts.html)

On school busses, the lap belts can cause serious injury. Shoulder straps should also be provided and a 2nd adult on board to make sure that all students buckle up.

Can protect you better than the front windshield of the bus.

The bus wouldn't have a windshield anymore.

The bus wouldn't have a windshield anymore.

That isnt helping you arguement much is it? Windshield, cold hard ground, vehicle that had a head on collision with the bus, whatever lies beyond that blown out winshield would not be impacted by a child that is wearing a seatbelt because the child would be restrained from becoming a human missile.

That isnt helping you arguement much is it? Windshield, cold hard ground, vehicle that had a head on collision with the bus, whatever lies beyond that blown out winshield would not be impacted by a child that is wearing a seatbelt because the child would be restrained from becoming a human missile.

Unless the kid is already out of their seat, in which case not only is it their own damn fault, but the unlatched seatbelt sitting in the chair next to them wouldn't have an effect on the outcome at all, they're not headed out the front of the bus; they're headed for the seatback two feet from their face.

Sorry to hear about coworker's husband but THAT is a freak accident. Seatbelts save more lives than they take away. link (http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/seat_belts.html)

On school busses, the lap belts can cause serious injury. Shoulder straps should also be provided and a 2nd adult on board to make sure that all students buckle up.

and the school should also provide booster seats for the children who are not yet 4ft 10inches yet also?

even if my kids did go to school I wouldn't make them ride the bus, I don't trust the drivers around here, and I don't think it's a safe way to get anywhere.

Unless the kid is already out of their seat, in which case not only is it their own damn fault, but the unlatched seatbelt sitting in the chair next to them wouldn't have an effect on the outcome at all, they're not headed out the front of the bus; they're headed for the seatback two feet from their face.

Yes. Children out of their seats while the bus is in motion could not be tolerated. And the seatbacks in front of them needs to be padded and possibly shoulder belts added as well. That is going to be the end result here in Huntsville where the accident happened I guarantee you! Police officials here are saying that the only time this many officials have been together for one incedient has been during training exercises only. This is pretty much the biggest disaster in the history of this city and THIS city fixes things that are broken!

Unless the kid is already out of their seat, in which case not only is it their own damn fault, but the unlatched seatbelt sitting in the chair next to them wouldn't have an effect on the outcome at all, they're not headed out the front of the bus; they're headed for the seatback two feet from their face.

No, they're usually headed either over or under it. It's a funny thing. They rarely travel in a straight line.

Yes. Children out of their seats while the bus is in motion could not be tolerated. And the seatbacks in front of them needs to be padded and possibly shoulder belts added as well. That is going to be the end result here in Huntsville where the accident happened I guarantee you! Police officials here are saying that the only time this many officials have been together for one incedient has been during training exercises only. This is pretty much the biggest disaster in the history of this city and THIS city fixes things that are broken!

Dude, what sort of city is this? Two people die in a car accident, and that is the biggest disater in history? Jesus.

and the school should also provide booster seats for the children who are not yet 4ft 10inches yet also?


That, I do not know. Smash up a million crash test dummies if that's what it takes to find the answers. Our children our worth it!

No, they're usually headed either over or under it. It's a funny thing. They rarely travel in a straight line.

What, these new flying school buses, doing dives and loop-de-loops? Going under, well hey, lucky you, you're going feet first, and staying in the bus. Going over? Did I mention that kids are supposed to be sitting in their seats?

That, I do not know. Smash up a million crash test dummies if that's what it takes to find the answers. Our children our worth it!

Calm down, small town boy...

What, these new flying school buses, doing dives and loop-de-loops? Going under, well hey, lucky you, you're going feet first, and staying in the bus. Going over? Did I mention that kids are supposed to be sitting in their seats?

When you're sitting straight on a bus seat, you will go over. If you're slouching, you'll go under and get your face ripped off by the underside of the seats. You don't end up going straight, as anyone who has been in a car accident can tell you.

That, I do not know. Smash up a million crash test dummies if that's what it takes to find the answers. Our children our worth it!

it's the law here that children in private vehicles (not school busses or church busses) have to be buckled up and if they are under 4'10" they have to have a car seat.

When you're sitting straight on a bus seat, you will go over. If you're slouching, you'll go under and get your face ripped off by the underside of the seats. You don't end up going straight, as anyone who has been in a car accident can tell you.

You mean like the school bus accident I was in? Yeah, I still have my face, and I didn't go zero-g all of a sudden.

Now, if we could bring this out of the realm of anecdotes...

Dude, what sort of city is this? Two people die in a car accident, and that is the biggest disater in history? Jesus.

3 dead now and Yes. Not much happens here. And no! not a car accident. A loaded school bus going off the side a bridge.

3 dead now and Yes. Not much happens here. And no! not a car accident. A loaded school bus going off the side a bridge.

*shrug* Bus accident then. Unless you're impling it happened on purpose?

You mean like the school bus accident I was in? Yeah, I still have my face, and I didn't go zero-g all of a sudden.

Now, if we could bring this out of the realm of anecdotes...

Front-on? It's simple physics that in a front-on accident you'll go up and forward.

Front-on? It's simple physics that in a front-on accident you'll go up and forward.

Which means a simple diagram, and maybe some simple crash dummy examples.

*shrug* Bus accident then. Unless you're impling it happened on purpose?

Well it is still under investigation but early reports indicate that one of the students from the same school was driving his/her own car and cut sharply in front of the bus (playing a joke or whatever) which caused the driver to have the accident.

Which means a simple diagram, and maybe some simple crash dummy examples.

I don't have a diagram, but I can explain it. The entire bus does not decelerate at the same time. The back keeps moving for an extremely short time after the front stops. It can't continue going forward on a level plane, so it follows the path of least resistance and goes up.

Well it is still under investigation but early reports indicate that one of the students from the same school was driving his/her own car and cut sharply in front of the bus (playing a joke or whatever) which caused the driver to have the accident.

So we need to do something about irresponsible drivers, not seatbelts.

I don't have a diagram, but I can explain it. The entire bus does not decelerate at the same time. The back keeps moving for an extremely short time after the front stops. It can't continue going forward on a level plane, so it follows the path of least resistance and goes up.

Well from there, doesn't seem so simple. What did the bus hit? HOw ffast was it going? HOw long is it? HOw was the weight distributed? What does the kid weigh? Where on the bus were they? Reference face removal: HOw high off the floor are the seats?

And if this effect is significant enough, they could just fly up out of the belt.

So we need to do something about irresponsible drivers, not seatbelts.

That particular program has been underway for sometime. It called Driver's Education!!! Unfortunatly there is no class that can actually control the free will of mankind (hence the need for police, prisons, rehab hospitals, etc...) So crazy people are going to do crazy things. Therefore a defensive posture is the best plan of action. (seatbelts in this case)

That particular program has been underway for sometime. It called Driver's Education!!! Unfortunatly there is no class that that actually control the free will of mankind (hence the need for police, prisons, rehab hospitals, etc...) So crazy people are going to do crazy things. Therefore a defensive posture is the best plan of action. (seatbelts in this case)

If that's the case, the packing peanuts would be even better no? No seat, no windshield, no over, no under and subsequently loss of face. Just a fun "spoosh" sound when the bus hits the ground.

If that's the case, the packing peanuts would be even better no? No seat, no windshield, no over, no under and subsequently loss of face. Just a fun "spoosh" sound when the bus hits the ground.

You should come to a Huntsville city council meeting and suggest just that! After they are done laughing at you, we should get all we need to protect our kids!

I believe the children died/got injured because of a series of unfortunate events. The children may or may not get injured or die whether there are seatbelts on teh bus or not.

Well it is still under investigation but early reports indicate that one of the students from the same school was driving his/her own car and cut sharply in front of the bus (playing a joke or whatever) which caused the driver to have the accident.then the problem is not a lack of seat belts but irrisponsible drivers. If we go by your logic, sounds like an argument to raising the Driving age to 18. ;)

Most school busses in the US are fairly standard things, so those outside of the US can google ‘school bus’ and see what we are talking about here.

They are fairly massive, so unless you are talking about a high speed head-on collision with a dump truck you will not experience much in the way of it being tossed upward. No worries about going over the top of the seat unless you are standing.

The seats of a school bus are not flimsy pieces of plastic – they will stop the forward motion of a child in a front-end collision. Since they are fairly close together, there is little separation between the accident and impacting the seat, so damage from hitting the seat in front of you is fairly minimal.

Additionally, school busses are commonly shared among the schools in a given district – this means that the same busses are used for elementary schools as for high schools. So how do you fit the seatbelts? Seatbelts (especially those with shoulder straps) need to be adjusted to fit the size of the student – a load of 7 year olds and a load of 15 year olds are completely different.

Some of you (such as Dragontide) seem to believe that we should spend an unlimited amount of money to protect students from freak occurrences. So tell you what… if you want to give $100 per week out of your own pocket to protect against extremely rare events then go right ahead. Personally I happen to think events like this are so rare as to not be worth worrying about – though stronger guard rails on the sides of the bridge wouldn’t be unreasonable.

Seatbelts are an unnecessary hassle which would only cause aggravation and not actually help.

Some of you (such as Dragontide) seem to believe that we should spend an unlimited amount of money to protect students from freak occurrences. So tell you what… if you want to give $100 per week out of your own pocket to protect against extremely rare events then go right ahead. Personally I happen to think events like this are so rare as to not be worth worrying about – though stronger guard rails on the sides of the bridge wouldn’t be unreasonable.

Seatbelts are an unnecessary hassle which would only cause aggravation and not actually help.

No! It would not cost that much for seatbelts and padding. Where the hell did you come up with 100 bucks per week? I assume you mean 100 bucks per person per week. Hell we could limo the kids to school with that kind of money! (you must really suck at math) Sure this type of wreck is rare but children are still our highway's most precious cargo. It is our responsibility to keep them safe.

No! It would not cost that much for seatbelts and padding. Where the hell did you come up with 100 bucks per week? I assume you mean 100 bucks per person per week. Hell we could limo the kids to school with that kind of money! (you must really suck at math) Sure this type of wreck is rare but children are still our highway's most precious cargo. It is our responsibility to keep them safe.

Why? Why would you put seatbelts on a bus?

A school bus is a MASSIVE vehical, that can withstand anything short of a dumptruck or semi.

I dont know about Huntsville, but in PA all the drivers are trained, and each bus is inspected every year.

Maybe they should hire drivers who dont drive a 10 ton vehical off cliffs?

I dunno, I like not having seatbelts. It let's you bounce.

I think they just need better drivers and a ramming prow.

we don't have school buses here in Poland.

Why? Why would you put seatbelts on a bus?

A school bus is a MASSIVE vehical, that can withstand anything short of a dumptruck or semi.

I dont know about Huntsville, but in PA all the drivers are trained, and each bus is inspected every year.

Maybe they should hire drivers who dont drive a 10 ton vehical off cliffs?

I have two Video answers for you.

Without belts...
http://s84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/PootWaddle/?action=view&current=Nobelts.flv

With belts
http://s84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/PootWaddle/?action=view&current=Belts.flv

I like the belts, we have to stop being cheap SoB's and start forcing states to put belts on all school buses that drive faster than 30 MPH...

Most busses here have them, but only camp requires them and some rogue bus drivers for school.

That, I do not know. Smash up a million crash test dummies if that's what it takes to find the answers. Our children our worth it!

Lets see, 1,000,000 test dummies X approx $5000 per dummy...carries the one..divides by the square root of 38.5....nope turns out our children arnt actually worth it.

we don't have school buses here in Poland.

Wow! Amazing! So you've never dealt with one... I envy you.

No.

Wow! Amazing! So you've never dealt with one... I envy you.

yeah, but instead, i have to deal with the "full tram on a hot day" smell.

yeah, but instead, i have to deal with the "full tram on a hot day" smell.
Hmmm, probably about the same as the 'full TCC bus on any day smell'... and that from what I'm told gets funky.

Can protect you better than the front windshield of the bus.

No bus seats are lined up with the front wind shield, and oh, the bus driver who survived disagrees.

I dont know about Huntsville, but in PA all the drivers are trained, and each bus is inspected every year.
They are as safe as the day they were built in 1984 with their yearly "pay off the inspectors" inspections and barely trained drivers. I don't think the bus drivers would be legally qualified to drive a commercial vehicle of the same size and type.

Hmmm, probably about the same as the 'full TCC bus on any day smell'... and that from what I'm told gets funky.

well, at least i have the advantage of not having the vehicle i'm in getting stuck in traffic.

No school buses have seat belts. Also a school bus is the safest way to travel on the road.

Since they haven't commented on the cause of the accident I don't get how stupidity has anything to do with this event.

The smaller school buses do have seatbelts. It is required that you wear them. The bus driver can see who is wearing them and who is not.

No school buses have seat belts.

Untrue. They are required in I believe five states, of which one is NY.

However, students are not required to use them.

Untrue. They are required in I believe five states, of which one is NY.

However, students are not required to use them.

Here in PA, my mom works for a child care program. They use buses to pick up the kids, and they're required to have seat belts on the buses.

Now, that's for little kids, though..

I would not wear the seat belt, just because it wouldn't be very nice squished in a seat facing forward, when my legs are too long..

For all those blaming the driver for "driving off a cliff", he got cut off, swerved to avoid the compact car that cut him off, hit the guard rail and went off the side of an overpass.