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http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/pokemon.html

Of course this isn't all "new" info...but you should really look over this website. It goes to show you that every religion has its group of extremists and morons...

I don't think many in Europe feel sad at the fact that all our Puritans left for America, it has to be said.

Note to non-Christians: This page does NOT apply to you. Since you are not under the headship of Jesus Christ, this page will make no sense to you, since the Holy Spirit is not active in your life. Don't assume that you are a Christian because you go to church or have Christian parents. YOU personally must make a decision to follow Jesus Christ in order to be a Christian.
I read this as: We're immune to criticism because people who disagree with us aren't Christian and don't understand this.

The use of Pokemon cards can potentially open doors to demonic oppression through the following activities:
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4. escapism through thrill-seeking, science fiction, soap operas, or some other addicting hobby/activity
Soap operas are teh evil?
Another threat to children who play with Pokemon and other role playing games is the tendency to become involved in more serious forms of role playing games, such as Doom, Dungeons and Dragons, Magic: the Gathering, and role playing games with even more occultic overtones.
1. Pokemon, the marijuana of role playing games.
2. Since when has DOOM been an RPG?

Uh... Ok... I'm trying to tie Pokemon into Shinto and it just ain't working.

Soap operas are teh evil?
Well, I have to agree with them there.

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Where's that "I can't believe this shit!" picture when you need it?
What confuses me is that judging from that article the guy who runs that site should be screaming at atheists to repent their sins or they will burn for eternity. But not really. And how, how does he let his children play internet games if pokemon causes demonic possession?

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Where's that "I can't believe this shit!" picture when you need it?
Will this (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/spockshitting.jpg) do?
What confuses me is that judging from that article the guy who runs that site should be screaming at atheists to repent their sins or they will burn for eternity. But not really. And how, how does he let his children play internet games if pokemon causes demonic possession?

Somehow I doubt he does let his children near the interbwe without him there to make sure they only go onto approved sites.

That site was hilarious. Did anybody else explore it a bit? Priceless.

Laughs. Falls over. Laughs More. Cries. Laughs. Giggles.

Classic. I just wish it really were a joke.

Absolutely brilliant website. Its arguments are so cohesive

Pokemon is a role-playing game similar to Dungeons and Dragons, MAGIC, and others, but with more subtle occult overtones.

The only role playing game listed here is dungeons and dragons. This is sad at best

uch of its character seems to come from Shinto (the traditional religion of Japan), Buddhism, Hinduism, other Eastern religions, and New Age philosophies. The game reflects Japan's warrior past in its violence, with the object being to conquer other Pokemons through physical force or sorcery.

What I read here: It's a game made in Japan, and it's influenced by Japanese culture. Oh noes! And where did this sorcery come into play?

Besides the Eastern religious overtones, New Age concepts abound in the Pokemon cards.2 Each Pokemon is a certain "type," which describes their "energy."

Why are all these words in quotes? And why is something "New Age" simply because it has "concepts" that happen to be called similiar words to something in a new age spiritual group (what does that even mean? New Age isn't a religion).

here are currently 7 types of Pokemon, including "Grass," "Fire," "Water," "Lightning," "Psychic," "Fighting," and "Colorless."

Colorless isn't a pokemon type in the official sense. Even I know that. Do some research next time, and stop using so many quotation marks to sound smart. :rolleyes:

Many of the 150 Pokemons use violence to conquer other Pokemons. This violence includes gnawing, slashing, smash kick, fire blast, seismic toss, electricity, poison, psychic blasts, paralyzing, etc.

Oh goodness. Why can't it be all peaceful like in the bible, where people are never crucified as punishment for their religion? Why must everything be so violent!?!?! It's almost as if kids like playing games that involve beating other people

This is not the "innocent" game that it is made out to be

This is not the "guilty" game that it is made out to be. I used quotation marks improperly, so I must be right.

Other Pokemons "evolve" through the use of "stones" (thunder, water, moon, fire, and leaf) which are items used to summon powers (the origin of these "powers" is not stated, but they are not from God).

Not from god? Can't god do whatever the flip he wants? Why can't he make stones that evolve creatures? Why do they continue to put everything in quotes?

Training cards also include those that use "potion" and "super potion" to magically heal your damaged Pokemon fighters.

They don't even make a point here, they just hope the word 'potion' is enough to make people fly into a spittle-heavy rage

Many Pokemons evolve "naturalistically" to become other Pokemons (note "Evolution Stage" on image to right).

Naturalistically? First, that doesn't mean anything. Second, it's wrong. Their point would have been better made if they pointed out how pokemon had to kill other pokemon to evolve, but they're not worried about facts, only linking pokemon to as many "anti-christian" concepts as possible

In examining the cards, it is apparent that macroevolution is being taught, since "species" that have evolved from other species are similar in appearance

Is being taught? It's fantasy! If these species evolved from other species that weren't similiar, would that not be macroevolution?

In some instances, the term "evolution" is used incorrectly, since individual Pokemons are able to "evolve" into more powerful creatures. In essence, the game is teaching a kind of reincarnation.

Actually, that would be 'every instance', not "some instances". How is this reincarnation? Don't they need to die first?

I have to go to class now, but I'm confident the rest of the article is as dumb ;)

http://www.gamestar.de/community/gspinboard/images/smilies/atomrofl.gif

It seems to me that every single argument on that site is based around the fact that omnipotence somehow doesn't allow God to transcend the bounds of logic. WTF? It means all-powerful, y'know. I would think that magically creating universes out of nowhere kinda goes against logic too.

http://www.gamestar.de/community/gspinboard/images/smilies/atomrofl.gif
QFT

Many Pokemons evolve "naturalistically" to become other Pokemons (note "Evolution Stage" on image to right). In examining the cards, it is apparent that macroevolution is being taught, since "species" that have evolved from other species are similar in appearance. In some instances, the term "evolution" is used incorrectly, since individual Pokemons are able to "evolve" into more powerful creatures. In essence, the game is teaching a kind of reincarnation.

I already knew that many of this sort are willfully ignorant of evolution because they feel a need to attack it, but why are they doing the same thing with reincarnation?

And seriously, defeating a cartoon monster and turning into a bigger monster is naturalistic evolution? It is one thing to misunderstand, but that is just stupid. Besides, if that were the evolution that Pokemon was teaching, creationists should be treating it as an ally.

http://www.gamestar.de/community/gspinboard/images/smilies/atomrofl.gif

What's scary is that that smiley could well be totally accurate.

What's scary is that that smiley could well be totally accurate.
:confused: Explain plox? You mean that hundreds of people reading that article are creating thermonuclear explosions from reaching laughter critical mass?

:confused: Explain plox? You mean that hundreds of people reading that article are creating thermonuclear explosions from reaching laughter critical mass?

Yes. :)

Yes. :)
Fundamentalist Christians, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are on your heads. :mad:

:confused: Explain plox? You mean that hundreds of people reading that article are creating thermonuclear explosions from reaching laughter critical mass?

Not people, just LG. Silly things like the Laws of Thermodynamics don't apply to him. Oddly for someone who is outside the bounds of physics he does know an awful lot about it.

Not people, just LG. Silly things like the Laws of Thermodynamics don't apply to him. Oddly for someone who is outside the bounds of physics he does know an awful lot about it.

One should know the laws of the land before one breaks them. :)

I don't think many in Europe feel sad at the fact that all our Puritans left for America, it has to be said.

Any chance we could convince you folks to take 'em back? :D

i'm glad there's a whole ocean separating me from the fundies. waits... theres kaczynski and those radio maryja guys on this side, no not really. this world is just too fucked-up.

i'm glad there's a whole ocean separating me from the fundies. waits... theres kaczynski and those radio maryja guys on this side, no not really. this world is just too fucked-up.

You still have the Pope over there. *points and laughs!*

This guy focuses on the TCG too much. And doesn't do ANY research (among other things I'm pretty sure he isn't aware that the video games exist and/or came first). And uses "" too much.

*Pulls out big rubber "Massive Fail" stamp.*

Any chance we could convince you folks to take 'em back? :D

No thanks we're quite happy for you to keep them all, but all you sane people are welcome to come over. It makes it a lot easier to generalise then. :D

You still have the Pope over there. *points and laughs!*

That's being dealt with
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That's being dealt with
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Teh lol, Swiss Guards will pwnz0r j00.

Teh lol, Swiss Guards will pwnz0r j00.

http://www.gpaed.de/bildergalerie/data/media/26/schweizergarde.JPG

Oooh scary.

http://mk23.image.pbase.com/u38/bmcmorrow/upload/24871347.16_15.JPG

Oooh scary.
The red cross of death! :eek: Flee!

I took the theology quiz only I couldn't answer a few questions because none of the answers were correct.....he messed up some stuff. :( it was pretty disappointing.

However, about the Pokemon thing......my girls don't play because it's stupid.

I think though that I could find the same types of things wrong with just about anything you wanted, I grew up next door to 'one of those' parents.

Aaaaaah

I love evangelicals. The source of all humour. I think the most worrying thing about them is that George Bush is one.

Pikachu is the Anti - Christ!

Teh lol, Swiss Guards will pwnz0r j00.

I've already infiltrated and become a Swiss Guard. See the guy in Fartsniffage's pic? That's me.

I've already infiltrated and become a Swiss Guard. See the guy in Fartsniffage's pic? That's me.

Wow, I'm very impressed with the size of your pike.

Where's that "I can't believe this shit!" picture when you need it?
Can't find one, so will a picture of a naked David Hasselhoff and puppies suffice?
http://people.brandeis.edu/~bgrammer/album/second%20year/slides/wtf.jpg

Wow, I'm very impressed with the size of your pike.

I get a lot of that.

And it's a halberd.

I get a lot of that.

And it's a halberd.

Pike, halbard what's the difference?.....it's all innuendo for cock.

Pike, halbard what's the difference?.....it's all innuendo for cock.

This is true.

Straw man argument. Find an example of some extremist and use it to describe everyone who claims to be a part of that group.

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/pokemon.html

Of course this isn't all "new" info...but you should really look over this website. It goes to show you that every religion has its group of extremists and morons...

...I don't get it. So.... this moron is trying to say what?

Straw man argument. Find an example of some extremist and use it to describe everyone who claims to be a part of that group.

But that's not what the OP did. He found an extremist and said 'Hey look at the funny extremist'.

Straw man argument. Find an example of some extremist and use it to describe everyone who claims to be a part of that group.
That's just the sort of response I'd expect from you people.

That's just the sort of response I'd expect from you people.

us people?:confused:

us people?:confused:

Yes, you people! *smites, kills it with fire, etc*

Jk! <3 Smunk.

But yeah this guy is a nutjob crackpot. Please tell me you see why people have a bad idea of Christians because of people like this.

That's just the sort of response I'd expect from you people.

:) ... not sure what kind of "people" you think I am. But ok.




Szanth
But yeah this guy is a nutjob crackpot. Please tell me you see why people have a bad idea of Christians because of people like this.

Actually after reading a couple of places on the site referenced, I just see someone sincere, but incredibly legalistic. I don't agree with stuff I saw on there, and think he is dangerously close to the Pharisees of which Jesus criticized.

[QUOTE=Ifreann;11973319]I read this as: We're immune to criticism because people who disagree with us aren't Christian and don't understand this.


I think this one says it all!

Edit: Shit, it wasn't a link. It was an attached thumbnail, so screw this post. :p

They are trying to link things that don't link. Can Pokemon be sinful? Of course, if playing it is interfering with the rest of your life. Also, they misunderstand some of the basic concepts. As far as I know, energy in Pokemon is nothing mystical. And evolution is more like maturation, really.

It's people thinking that the masses need more regulation than Scripture gives.

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/pokemon.html

Of course this isn't all "new" info...but you should really look over this website. It goes to show you that every religion has its group of extremists and morons...

As a Christian, I can honestly say it's idiots like these that give the religion a bad name. It's no wonder you get people these days saying I'm not a Christian I'm a <Anglican/Cathlolic/Presbyterian/other mainstream church>, it differentiates us from the wackos.

I love the way that page tries to imply that if you disagree you're not a REAL Christian, because if you disagree you're obviously not under the influence of the Holy Spirit (in this case aka schizophrenic dillusion brought on by paying all your earnings to grinning preacher No 19203)...

As a Christian, I can honestly say it's idiots like these that give the religion a bad name. It's no wonder you get people these days saying I'm not a Christian I'm a <Anglican/Cathlolic/Presbyterian/other mainstream church>, it differentiates us from the wackos.


Agreed.
Hardly any Christians really think this way, just the really stupid ones ;)

Non Christians can be so pig ignorant though....

I was walking down the road one night, myself, a friend of the same denomination and some atheist friend of ours (not that we would usually even think of each other that way), when we ran into a group of annoying Street preachers. All of us pretend we haven't noticed the desperate attempts to hand us leaflets telling us how we can be saved from hell if we pay pastor so and so some outrageous fee, and keep walking... afterwards she turns to us and says, "You guys are Christians, shouldn't you be doing that on a Friday night?"

The annoying thing was she actually believed that was the kind of thing we were likely to do... Now obviously I wouldn't mind if one day she decided to join us, but I'm not about to go ramming my religion down other people's throats like geese being primed for liver patee, and I find it highly offensive when someone does it to me... especially since they invariably decide that I'm not a REAL Christian, who the hell are they to decide that?

This kind of over the top fundamentalism is highly damaging to the religion and needs to be stamped out.

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Squirtle was teh shyt.

Non Christians can be so pig ignorant though....

I was walking down the road one night, myself, a friend of the same denomination and some atheist friend of ours (not that we would usually even think of each other that way), when we ran into a group of annoying Street preachers. All of us pretend we haven't noticed the desperate attempts to hand us leaflets telling us how we can be saved from hell if we pay pastor so and so some outrageous fee, and keep walking... afterwards she turns to us and says, "You guys are Christians, shouldn't you be doing that on a Friday night?"

The annoying thing was she actually believed that was the kind of thing we were likely to do... Now obviously I wouldn't mind if one day she decided to join us, but I'm not about to go ramming my religion down other people's throats like geese being primed for liver patee, and I find it highly offensive when someone does it to me... especially since they invariably decide that I'm not a REAL Christian, who the hell are they to decide that?

This kind of over the top fundamentalism is highly damaging to the religion and needs to be stamped out.

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What's wrong with handing out tracks? Every one I've ever been handed has only ever talked about Christ. Some have the name of their church stamped on the back and its address, but none ask for money.

What's wrong with handing out tracks? Every one I've ever been handed has only ever talked about Christ. Some have the name of their church stamped on the back and its address, but none ask for money.

That's just me getting ranty...

What do that majority of leaflets say? In more or less words, "join us or you'll go to hell!"

This is a blatant ego trip by the people involved, to even claim that they have an idea of who will and won't go to hell is proposterous.

Secondly, I find it offensive when people try to impose their religion on me. The majority of people do. This makes people less responsive to Christianity, because they have some cappering wally in the street pestering them and trying to convert them.

godandscience.org is easily one of the more fucked up Xtian websites. It's almost a self parody, yet it's so deadly serious that I weep with horror at what these fucking morons are doing to their kids.

That's just me getting ranty...

What do that majority of leaflets say? In more or less words, "join us or you'll go to hell!"

This is a blatant ego trip by the people involved, to even claim that they have an idea of who will and won't go to hell is proposterous.

Secondly, I find it offensive when people try to impose their religion on me. The majority of people do. This makes people less responsive to Christianity, because they have some cappering wally in the street pestering them and trying to convert them.

None of the tracks I have received or have given (and I mean not a single one) has said "Join or perish" They point out your need and say that Christ is the way out of that need.

You claim to be a Christian, but you don't know who will be saved? The Bible makes that very clear: those who have faith in Christ as their personal Lord and Savior will be saved. Those who do not will not be.

I think the ego trip is in those who have to slander those who evangelize because they can't be inconvenienced to do it themselves.

wow.
what a goober.

so this is why i catch crap for being a christian, lol.

*disclaimer*

we're not all crazy

None of the tracks I have received or have given (and I mean not a single one) has said "Join or perish" They point out your need and say that Christ is the way out of that need.

Which, essentially, says "Join or we think you'll perish"


You claim to be a Christian, but you don't know who will be saved? The Bible makes that very clear: those who have faith in Christ as their personal Lord and Savior will be saved. Those who do not will not be.

I think the ego trip is in those who have to slander those who evangelize because they can't be inconvenienced to do it themselves.

I seem to remember a bible passage pointing out that nobody can ever know who will be saved and who won't... something about nobody knowing god's mind, too.

But good for you that you know better.

One thing that intrigued me is their recomendation of the scouts as an organisation that teaches morals. I'm a Patrol Leader in the 157th (Blackford) troop, the United Kingdom Scout Assosciation, and I quoted Bun-bun in explaining The Rules to a pair of newbies: "Robin. Is. God. Here. Remember that and you can't go wrong." One of my guys, Sam, has adopted the pseudonym "Damien" and makes a point of being anti-christ. Our leader is a rigid ex-army guy with no apparent religious beliefs. None of the scouts are very religious.

It's probably because we're absorbing corruption from floods of communist Europeans and Muslim immigrants.

I seem to remember a bible passage pointing out that nobody can ever know who will be saved and who won't... something about nobody knowing god's mind, too.



The Bible in many places says that only followers in Christ will enter up to heaven, and the Bible is Gods word written down so yes, in that way you can know what God thinks about it

The Bible in many places says that only followers in Christ will enter up to heaven, and the Bible is Gods word written down so yes, in that way you can know what God thinks about it

That's only a way of telling who will not enter heaven. Or does it say anywhere that all Christians will enter?

The Bible in many places says that only followers in Christ will enter up to heaven, and the Bible is Gods word written down so yes, in that way you can know what God thinks about it

God have pity on your soul.

But when you get into the distinction between follower and believer, as in who follows their parents to church, and who believes what is being taught, it's impossible for man to know what's really in everyone's hearts. Therefore, only god truly knows who is going where.

^ sinfest - w00t!

The Bible in many places says that only followers in Christ will enter up to heaven, and the Bible is Gods word written down so yes, in that way you can know what God thinks about it

According to what source is the Bible the word of God? Why, according to the Bible. What fun! :p

But when you get into the distinction between follower and believer, as in who follows their parents to church, and who believes what is being taught, it's impossible for man to know what's really in everyone's hearts. Therefore, only god truly knows who is going where.

^ sinfest - w00t!

Sinfest ftw!

I would hardly call that an "extremist" ideology. It seems this thread is just one of many ot make fun of christians.

I seem to remember a bible passage pointing out that nobody can ever know who will be saved and who won't...

Never ran across that one before. But the idea makes sense because I could never know another person's motives or heart. That's why it's never a good idea to judge someone else because we have enough stuff to look at in our own lives.

Is this for real?

"The intent of this page is not to convince you that Pokemon is the most dangerous activity your child can be involved in."

I would hardly call that an "extremist" ideology. It seems this thread is just one of many ot make fun of christians.

but.......that's what they do here. ;)

Which, essentially, says "Join or we think you'll perish"



I seem to remember a bible passage pointing out that nobody can ever know who will be saved and who won't... something about nobody knowing god's mind, too.

But good for you that you know better.

I cannot know the heart, so I may say that Joe (whoever he might be) is saved. But I may say (and am indeed commanded to) that if he has declared in faith that Jesus Christ is his personal Lord and Savior, He will be saved.

but.......that's what they do here. ;)

Oh come on for the most part even in what starts out as a silly bashing post it turns out to be a rather complex discussion of ideologies.

Actually I am surprised at the depths that come out of what start out to be bad religious threads.

Oh come on for the most part even in what starts out as a silly bashing post it turns out to be a rather complex discussion of ideologies.

Actually I am surprised at the depths that come out of what start out to be bad religious threads.

you seem to be more annoyed with me lately than usual.....what's up with that?

:D man this is an old site. i remember when my school first learned about it. we laughed our butts off at these idiots. they read more into pokemon than is healthy, even for an obsessed otaku (note: just watching pokemon and knowing everything about it does not make you an otaku):headbang:

also note hat not all Christianity teaches what they teach. my parish priest taught that good Christians are tolerant of other ideas, philosophies, etc. and it is healthy to our spirituality to learn what we can of other peoples.

as for joining the Boy Scouts to get away from pokemon...all my friends in my troop played the bloody thing.

he says it promotes gaining power through violence, and then quotes Leviticus 20:27:rolleyes:

for all you psycho Christians:upyours:

you seem to be more annoyed with me lately than usual.....what's up with that?

I don't know I guess I have been getting stereotyped lately and its got me on edge more then normal (not that it was what you were doing)

Sorry you are right I did not mean to sound snipy you are most definitely a reasonable poster.

Sorry :fluffle:

ITS STEALING YOUR SOUL!!!
http://www.serebii.net/smash_bros/jigglypuff.gif

(note: just watching pokemon and knowing everything about it does not make you an otaku)

Nah, see. Watching anime doesn't make you an otaku. However, "knowing everything about it" does. Visiting forums based on it, convinced you know everything...Well, let's not go there...

That may be the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.

That may be the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.

You haven't been around the Internet long then.

Nah, see. Watching anime doesn't make you an otaku. However, "knowing everything about it" does. Visiting forums based on it, convinced you know everything...Well, let's not go there...

You're not an otaku until you jerk it to a map of Japan

You're not an otaku until you jerk it to a map of Japan

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As a science fiction writer, Christian, and Warhammer 40,000 player, I find this website hilarious.

Other pieces of comedy gold on there:
This article is about a father being morally correct in not letting teenagers (normally defined as 13+ in my book) see a PG-13 movie. (http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/brownies.html)

What gets me most about these people is their rejection of human nature, and the disregarding of the fact the Bible says there's a time and a place for everything.

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/pokemon.html

Of course this isn't all "new" info...but you should really look over this website. It goes to show you that every religion has its group of extremists and morons...

That made a bit of sense, until I got up to a bit that "children are being encouraged to tap into their supernatural power, instead of that given by God" or something like that...

Supernatural = a thing that is natural but super? How on earth can they say it's not given by God?

Supernatural = a thing that is natural but super? How on earth can they say it's not given by God?

Good question. Apparently, they believe in the existence of a supernatural world that isn't under the command of God...and that just seems to me to suggest that Satan and the supernatural are a God in themselves, an evil force that God has no control over (despite the pretty clear mention of the fact in Job that God does control Satan).

I wonder what God thinks of their deification of Satan? And, for that matter, that there are supernatural forces that God cannot control, making him less than omnipotent and limited? Talk about messed up theology...these people need to read the Bible, methinks.

Man, this is one high-larious site. I especially love this part:

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/biology_holt_rinehart_winston.html

And every point of which I could dispute in a matter of seconds. And I'm not even an expert, who would tear them to shreds, leaving them crying like a little school girl.

This article is about a father being morally correct in not letting teenagers (normally defined as 13+ in my book) see a PG-13 movie. (http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/brownies.html)

I like how the father wouldn't give any reasons for the kids not being allowed to go to the movie. What a role model.

LOL! So many extremists in all religions, unfortunatly.

Good question. Apparently, they believe in the existence of a supernatural world that isn't under the command of God...and that just seems to me to suggest that Satan and the supernatural are a God in themselves, an evil force that God has no control over (despite the pretty clear mention of the fact in Job that God does control Satan).

I wonder what God thinks of their deification of Satan? And, for that matter, that there are supernatural forces that God cannot control, making him less than omnipotent and limited? Talk about messed up theology...these people need to read the Bible, methinks.

Maybe they're dualists? Though from what I've read on Christian dualists like the Cathars/Albigensians(sp) they tend toward the oppsosite of that, meaning God=supernatural and the Devil=the natural world.

St Jello Biafra;11974877']I like how the father wouldn't give any reasons for the kids not being allowed to go to the movie. What a role model.

but if he talks about why he doesn't want them to go then he has to talk about why he doesn't want them to go........don't you understand anything? :p

ITS STEALING YOUR SOUL!!!
http://www.serebii.net/smash_bros/jigglypuff.gif
It's so damn cute it gives me cavities!!

Don't assume that you are a Christian because you go to church or have Christian parents. YOU personally must make a decision to follow Jesus Christ in order to be a Christian.

you know i am not religious in anyway and am fully athiest (DUH), but this statement really pissed me off. To be a true christian you must be close-minded in other words and not be able to think for yourselfs. An ability to think is "a gift god has givin you" when you quazy christians think about it.

Maybe they're dualists? Though from what I've read on Christian dualists like the Cathars/Albigensians(sp) they tend toward the oppsosite of that, meaning God=supernatural and the Devil=the natural world.

Maybe, but that's a pretty out there interpretation of the version of the Bible Christians use today.

Maybe, but that's a pretty out there interpretation of the version of the Bible Christians use today.

Yeah and your most likely right about them just having no clue what they are taling about, but I just felt a bit like playing devils advocate.;)

you know i am not religious in anyway and am fully athiest (DUH), but this statement really pissed me off. To be a true christian you must be close-minded in other words and not be able to think for yourselfs. An ability to think is "a gift god has givin you" when you quazy christians think about it.

No, that makes sense. In order to be a Christian, you have to believe that Jesus was the Son of God who died on the cross for the salvation of man and the forgiveness of sins.

It says nothing about being closeminded...if anything, that kind of sweeping judgement seems to suggest that you are the one that is closeminded. Especially that condescending "quazy christians" part, along with the idea that Christianity implies closemindedness. In fact, some of the greatest thinkers and scientists of all time were religions, and many of them were Christian. I'd say it's people who condemn religion as ignorant and wrong that are the most closeminded of all.

Yeah and your most likely right about them just having no clue what they are taling about, but I just felt a bit like playing devils advocate.;)

It's a valid point, but I don't think those groups could consider themselves Christian, at least in its current sense, if they go against what is pretty clearly said in both the Old and New Testaments.

I agree with Vetalia.
What's wrong with a religion saying that you're not a true believer because you mimic those that are religious?

To me that statement just says that you have to take an active part in your spirituality.

In fact, some of the greatest thinkers and scientists of all time were religions, and many of them were Christian.

and yet you still have christians denying many scientific facts evolution for one.

Christians on the whole i have no prob with, the quazy christians apply to the minority of those out there who quazy. I mean if you are going to go out and burn books and downplay other religions and waste internet space by talking about POKEMON PLAYING CARDS like they are a plague. sorry but i smell somthing fishy.

Maybe, but that's a pretty out there interpretation of the version of the Bible Christians use today.

But the point remains that Christians (and everyone else, or something) must abide by certain rules in order to enter heaven. It doesn't matter how "out there" an interpretation of said rulings are when the whole justice system is based on faith.

But the point remains that Christians (and everyone else, or something) must abide by certain rules in order to enter heaven. It doesn't matter how "out there" an interpretation of said rulings are when the whole justice system is based on faith.

not to mention that the bible and many other holy documents are not very exact in what they say, leaving it open in the air for anyone to interpret.

No, that makes sense. In order to be a Christian, you have to believe that Jesus was the Son of God who died on the cross for the salvation of man and the forgiveness of sins.

and to do that you must abide by exact rules, hate jews, muslims, homosexuals, force your religion on others blah blah. and anyone else who just has a different faith.

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Love that smiley...

Well. I am Christian. And I think whomever came up with that is nuts.

and to do that you must abide by exact rules, hate jews, muslims, homosexuals, force your religion on others blah blah. and anyone else who just has a different faith.

Umm, no you don't. Perhaps according to dogmatic evangelical atheists like Richard Dawkins, but not to people with some semblance of understanding of religion.

Hating others is so utterly anti-Christian that it would probably get you a nice seat in Hell for such a grievous sin; Christians consider homosexuality to be immoral, but that doesn't mean that they hate them or that they should treat them with disrespect. Hating the sin, not the sinner, is a fundamental premise of Christianity. Also, Christians don't hate Jews, if their strong support of Israel and outreach to the Jewish community count for anything. I also don't recall there being anti-Muslim sentiment held by the vast majority of Christians; it appears your prejudice and dogmatism is showing yet again.

And evangelism is meant to be voluntary, not forced. There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to get others to hold your beliefs; pretty much every single being on Earth tries to do that, and it's the fundamental premise behind philosophy and logic. Also, voluntary conversion is mandated by the writings of Paul and John in the New Testament. In fact, the largest denomination of Christianity, Roman Catholicism, specifically states that to force someone to go against their conscience is a sin and is completely and utterly morally wrong.

and yet you still have christians denying many scientific facts evolution for one.

And that means...what? That there are people of dubious intellect in our society that latch on to a belief system and use it to parrot their views? The vast majority of Christians and other religions accept evolutionary theory, and even many of those who don't accept it don't care about it being taught in schools or send their kids to religious schools.

You do know that there have been atheist regimes that did the same thing, right? Look up Lysenkoism in the USSR if you want to see atheists who reject evolution in the name of ideology.

Christians on the whole i have no prob with, the quazy christians apply to the minority of those out there who quazy. I mean if you are going to go out and burn books and downplay other religions and waste internet space by talking about POKEMON PLAYING CARDS like they are a plague. sorry but i smell somthing fishy.

Well, yeah. However, you need to be specific and not paint all Christians with the same brush. It's the same as me saying that all atheists are militant, antireligious wackos that want to deny others freedom of worship when it reality the overwhelming majority of them are as quiet about their beliefs and as respectful towards others as any other decent person on Earth.

Hating others is so utterly anti-Christian that it would probably get you a nice seat in Hell for such a grievous sin; Christians consider homosexuality to be immoral, but that doesn't mean that they hate them or that they should treat them with disrespect. Hating the sin, not the sinner, is a fundamental premise of Christianity. Also, Christians don't hate Jews, if their strong support of Israel and outreach to the Jewish community count for anything. I also don't recall there being anti-Muslim sentiment held by the vast majority of Christians; it appears your prejudice and dogmatism is showing yet again.

And evangelism is meant to be voluntary, not forced. There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to get others to hold your beliefs; *pretty much every single being on Earth tries to do that, and it's the fundamental premise behind philosophy and logic*. Also, voluntary conversion is mandated by the writings of Paul and John in the New Testament. In fact, the largest denomination of Christianity, Roman Catholicism, specifically states that to force someone to go against their conscience is a sin and is completely and utterly morally wrong.

The sections in bold are the root of the problem. You're quite right that all christians are not fervent, dogmatic Rottweilers of God, but all of them believe that they're going to heaven and anyone not accepting Christ won't. That's a pretty fundamental tenet, isn't it? I'm not wrong, am I?

So, it doesn't matter how you couch your terms. The essence of Christianity is "join us or burn". As such, any Christian can feel safe and sound in this life, because there's a better one ahead - your perception of the world is already tilted. Add to this a set of codified laws, and you'd have a recipe for a pretty hilarious knock-about sitcom if it wasn't really happening. If you base your laws and system of morality exclusively on someone else's terms, then you're not functioning well. It's a crying shame.

The asterixed part is a staggering generalisation, and strangely worded.

1) Logic has no "premise". Logic just "is". It's passive.

2) Philosophy, as far as I know, was never begun as a means of coercion. Can you give some examples of Philosophers putting people to the sword for not believing in luck egalitarianism or the categorical imperative?

3) Not everybody tries to force belief. Most people let it slide. That's why a great deal of people dislike being preached at. Because maybe, just maybe, a lot of people have made the leap of faith and concluded that in worshipping a Christian / Hindu / Islamic god, you're just worshipping a system of power.

The sections in bold are the root of the problem. You're quite right that all christians are not fervent, dogmatic Rottweilers of God, but all of them believe that they're going to heaven and anyone not accepting Christ won't. That's a pretty fundamental tenet, isn't it? I'm not wrong, am I?

No, you're not. However, at the same time there's a lot of debate on the issue; a Catholic might have a completely different perspective than any of the thousands of Protestant denominations.

So, it doesn't matter how you couch your terms. The essence of Christianity is "join us or burn". As such, any Christian can feel safe and sound in this life, because there's a better one ahead - your perception of the world is already tilted. Add to this a set of codified laws, and you'd have a recipe for a pretty hilarious knock-about sitcom if it wasn't really happening. If you base your laws and system of morality exclusively on someone else's terms, then you're not functioning well. It's a crying shame.

Well, who do you base yours on? And, for that matter, most Christians don't construct their beliefs solely on someone else's terms. In fact, conscience is one of the most important aspects of their beliefs and the Roman Catholic Church tells their followers specifically to follow their conscience first and foremost.

Also, every single human being that is raised in a society is affected by that society's beliefs, no matter what aspect of those beliefs affect them the most. If you're going to claim that your entire belief system is somehow self-constructed, I'd call bullshit because not even the greatest philosophers in human history were capable of that. All of them drew upon others' terms to construct their beliefs. Even the language you explain it in and the logical system that justifies it are the product of someone else.

Your beliefs are based on what you've learned, what you have faith in, and what you accept as self-evident on the basis of your existence. Your entire conception of "self" is inherently interdependent on your own free will to make decisions as well as the mores imposed on you society.


1) Logic has no "premise". Logic just "is". It's passive.

Logic has the given premise that it is a useful methodology that works for finding the truth of a given statement. And, of course, truth is inherently accepted on faith that it is in fact true, as well as possible to determine using logic. And, of course, a "just-so story" is not a logically valid explanation of the concept because saying something "just is" is not based upon logic. In fact, logic itself is unprovable because it's an axiom that has to be taken on faith to be valid.

Every single system on Earth is based upon fundamentally unprovable axioms that have no knowable justification in and of themselves. Human knowledge is inherently limited as a result.

2) Philosophy, as far as I know, was never begun as a means of coercion. Can you give some examples of Philosophers putting people to the sword for not believing in luck egalitarianism or the categorical imperative?

No, but I can show that the purpose of philosophy is to try and find explanations for the nature of reality, and most philosophers do believe that their particular interpretation is right or the closest approximation of the truth.

Besides, what on Earth does that have to do with the concept that people try to prove their particular beliefs as true? That seems like a massive straw man, considering the millions of Christian apologetics and philosophers out there who don't use violence to try and prove the validity of their beliefs.

3) Not everybody tries to force belief. Most people let it slide. That's why a great deal of people dislike being preached at. Because maybe, just maybe, a lot of people have made the leap of faith and concluded that in worshipping a Christian / Hindu / Islamic god, you're just worshipping a system of power.

Atheists make the same leap of faith, worshiping their own system of power.

Well, who do you base yours on? And, for that matter, most Christians don't construct their beliefs solely on someone else's terms. In fact, conscience is one of the most important aspects of their beliefs and the Roman Catholic Church tells their followers specifically to follow their conscience first and foremost.

Surely balderdash. If this is true, then someone born Christian loses their faith, their local priest would say "Ok, if that's what you believe, then fine. Follow your conscience". I think not. Similar cases re. abortion, homosexuality etc etc.

For me, basic utilitarianism works quite well. As does that line in the bible - do unto others as you would have done unto you. That works well, but doesn't need to be written. Morality can exist without god, but not without humans.

Also, every single human being that is raised in a society is affected by that society's beliefs, no matter what aspect of those beliefs affect them the most. If you're going to claim that your entire belief system is somehow self-constructed, I'd call bullshit because not even the greatest philosophers in human history were capable of that.

Right. Hence my use of 'exclusivity'. If the bible is the bottom line for morality, then there's a problem. If you draw your sense of morality from everything around you (i.e, if everything has equal moral applicability) then things are a lot more pragmatic. And difficult, no doubt about it.

Your beliefs are based on what you've learned, what you have faith in, and what you accept as self-evident on the basis of your existence. Your entire conception of "self" is inherently interdependent on your own free will to make decisions as well as the mores imposed on you society.

Precisely. Which is why I'm glad I didn't pay attention to my Jesuit teachers when I was a kid.





Every single system on Earth is based upon fundamentally unprovable axioms that have no knowable justification in and of themselves. Human knowledge is inherently limited as a result.

I'm afraid I can't reply to this because I don't understand you. An axiom is "a self-evident truth that requires no proof". Your sentence is an oxymoron, and a bloody strange one at that. Can you reiterate?





Besides, what on Earth does that have to do with the concept that people try to prove their particular beliefs as true? That seems like a massive straw man, considering the millions of Christian apologetics and philosophers out there who don't use violence to try and prove the validity of their beliefs.

FFS. People bandy "straw man" around waaaaaaaay to much. I didn't set up your position - you did. I can reference the Spanish Inquisition, The Puritan conquest, the Middle East etc, and you can reference Stalin and Mao. A dick's a dick. But I may as well push the boat out and assert that there's been a lot more dickery in the name of religion than there has been in the name of science (to give a nice, fat, general term to it). A lot more.



Atheists make the same leap of faith, worshiping their own system of power.

Ugh. When I look at parliament, I just see men. Not supermen, nothing supernatural. There's no leap of faith. You're clutching at straws.

If your child is highly involved with or addicted to Pokemon, I would provide extra support for them and encourage and provide opportunities for them to engage in other, less threatening hobbies/activities. Scouts and AWANA are excellent organizations that teach moral values while the children have fun participating.

AWANA!? DEAR GOD NO! That was HORRIBLE!

And you guys should check out the "brownies" page. That is some major horse crap (no pun intended). :eek:

Surely balderdash. If this is true, then someone born Christian loses their faith, their local priest would say "Ok, if that's what you believe, then fine. Follow your conscience". I think not. Similar cases re. abortion, homosexuality etc etc.

Well, there's a caveat in that it applies primarily to religious matters

For me, basic utilitarianism works quite well. As does that line in the bible - do unto others as you would have done unto you. That works well, but doesn't need to be written. Morality can exist without god, but not without humans.

But the principles behind that morality will be inherently unknowable, which means that the default position in regard to God would have to be a form of agnosticism as opposed to atheism.

Right. Hence my use of 'exclusivity'. If the bible is the bottom line for morality, then there's a problem. If you draw your sense of morality from everything around you (i.e, if everything has equal moral applicability) then things are a lot more pragmatic. And difficult, no doubt about it.

Yeah, but it also produces a lot more cohesive and rationally justified beliefs that have real benefit on the world.

Precisely. Which is why I'm glad I didn't pay attention to my Jesuit teachers when I was a kid.

Usually, getting rid of your preconditioned beliefs and constructing new ones produces a lot stronger beliefs than the ones you lost.


I'm afraid I can't reply to this because I don't understand you. An axiom is "a self-evident truth that requires no proof". Your sentence is an oxymoron, and a bloody strange one at that. Can you reiterate?

Yes, axioms are self-evident and true, but can't be proven and are accepted as true without proof in order for whatever system is using them to function. It requires a fundamental leap of faith to use them because not only are they unproven, but can't be proven.

I mean, it's plausible that our entire system of mathematics is wrong and God is really pulling the strings, but since we can't know that it's safe to take on faith that our interpretation of math and its axioms is the safest bet for the world we perceive.

This is primarily epistemological more than anything else.

FFS. People bandy "straw man" around waaaaaaaay to much. I didn't set up your position - you did. I can reference the Spanish Inquisition, The Puritan conquest, the Middle East etc, and you can reference Stalin and Mao. A dick's a dick. But I may as well push the boat out and assert that there's been a lot more dickery in the name of religion than there has been in the name of science (to give a nice, fat, general term to it). A lot more.

But then again, organized religion as a tool of the state has been around for 10,000+ years in most countries of the world and atheism only has been in place in a handful of countries for less than a century. The body count of atheist regimes in that timeframe is pretty damn high considering it's only a fraction of the time that religion has been around.


Ugh. When I look at parliament, I just see men. Not supermen, nothing supernatural. There's no leap of faith. You're clutching at straws.

Well, no, you have faith that God does not exist and that human beings are capable of being moral without religion. It may seem rational, but that doesn't make it objectively justified.

Every single thing every human being in existence believes is constructed upon faith at some point in the process. That doesn't make atheism invalid, it just means that it is a faith-based position like any religion.

When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? (Isaiah 8:19)
From Reasons To Believe's website, "Dealing with Demons"

"I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people. Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the LORD your God." (Leviticus 20:6-7)

How many people are consulting Pokemon cards(let alone looking at them)?

Never heard of anyone turning to prostitution over the things.:p
I am aware that isn't what the second quote means, but it is still irrelevant to their 'point' or whatever.

Ok, Vetalia. I'm off to bed, as I must buy suitcases in the morning, but I thought it prudent to respond (albeit succinctly).

Everything is not "faith-based". This is anthrocentric. Does a bird make her nest through faith? Is boiling a kettle an act of faith? Does a mountain form because it has faith? I say no, I suspect you might say yes and this is where we differ.

To me, it is not good enough to say "we'll never know" because it's limiting. I find it vaguely offensive. Which is why in all religions I see an element of Peter Popoff - once again, religion as a system of control. You believe that I'm eventually going to hell. System of control.

As for the axiom thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_arithmetic

*sigh* The few, always spoiling the many in the eyes of others *shakes head*

ITS STEALING YOUR SOUL!!!
http://www.serebii.net/smash_bros/jigglypuff.gif

I can see the evil in its eyes!!!

Christians on the whole i have no prob with, the quazy christians apply to the minority of those out there who quazy. I mean if you are going to go out and burn books and downplay other religions and waste internet space by talking about POKEMON PLAYING CARDS like they are a plague. sorry but i smell somthing fishy.

I get the feeling the games are going to get/have gotten a bad rap they don't deserve over all this crappy merchandising. I'm looking at you too 4Kids.

You still have the Pope over there. *points and laughs!*

Does anybody else think that Benedict XVI looks like Emperor Palpatine?

Does anybody else think that Benedict XVI looks like Emperor Palpatine?
http://www.geargeek.net/images/popepalpatine.jpg

Does anybody else think that Benedict XVI looks like Emperor Palpatine?
No, I just think he looks creepy...

Ok, Vetalia. I'm off to bed, as I must buy suitcases in the morning, but I thought it prudent to respond (albeit succinctly).

[QUOTE]Everything is not "faith-based". This is anthrocentric. Does a bird make her nest through faith? Is boiling a kettle an act of faith? Does a mountain form because it has faith? I say no, I suspect you might say yes and this is where we differ.

Well, no. In order for something to be based on explicit faith, you'd have to understand the concept to begin with and you'd have to understand it in human terms. I can't see in to the mental processes of a bird, so I have no idea what they think, if they are capable of self-aware thought. If they did have a concept of faith, it might be radically different than ours.

Faith in and of itself if an anthrocentric concept because it is based upon our system of logic and is within the context of our ability to know and understand the universe.

To me, it is not good enough to say "we'll never know" because it's limiting. I find it vaguely offensive. Which is why in all religions I see an element of Peter Popoff - once again, religion as a system of control. You believe that I'm eventually going to hell. System of control.

Mind you, this is an epistemological limitation rather than a scientific one. We may be able to know everything about our universe, but our empirical knowledge is limited to this universe, and that places a fundamental constraint on our knowledge.

And some things may never be unraveled; I'm not optimistic that the workings of the mind and its relation to the brain will be found anytime soon, especially given that every new discovery seems to present even more complexity, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. I just think it's unlikely, and that's my opinion. A valid one? Maybe, but I can't know for sure.

As for the axiom thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_arithmetic

Interesting. Of course, I don't have the kind of formal training in mathematical logic to really understand it beyond a superficial level, but the fact that these axioms can be proven in another system without relying on the one that they create is an interesting crossover. Perhaps we need to look there to unravel some more of the axioms, although there's still the problem that this is only applicable in mathematics and not in epistemology or philosophy.

Of course, things like the negative answer to the Entscheidungsproblem still stand, and there are some pretty significant signs that we are limited in understanding no matter what. It's possible, albeit uncertain and unlikely, that the limits to knowledge will remain, but I can't say that conclusively because I have no idea what will happen in the future.

No, I just think he looks creepy...

He looks like he would eat your children!

He looks like he would eat your children!

Only if they're baptized.

AWANA!? DEAR GOD NO! That was HORRIBLE!

And you guys should check out the "brownies" page. That is some major horse crap (no pun intended). :eek:

HEY! totally not fair, my kids go to AWANA, I am a Cubbie leader, it's not horrible..... at least it's not meant to be.

Brownies sucked for me, I got kicked out of 3 troops. :(

I seem to remember a bible passage pointing out that nobody can ever know who will be saved and who won't... something about nobody knowing god's mind, too.

But good for you that you know better.

In agreement there.

He looks like he would eat your children!

Everytime I see him on TV I keep thinking lightening will shoot out of his hands.

Nguyen, I would just like to point out that you are quite wrapped in your belief system, and if something does not fall in it, you invalidate it. Like it or not, you are not a totally original person. You are a product of the perception of yourself and the world is just your perception of it. You may worship knowledge, but the problem gets down to who's knowledge? Knowledge is only someone's perception of something. So, say what you want about religious people, but you are one of them. You follow your religion of man and an arbitrary idea of knowledge.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to attack you. I just want to point out that you can't keep trying to put yourself above the Christians you are chastizing. After all, wasn't that what you were chastizing them about? That they think "join us or burn." In your way, you do the same thing with your concept of knowledge. It seems like you express this idea of being elite, because you don't prescribe to the "quazy" Christian ideas. And, sadly, I'm doing the same thing, now, as well. By pointing this all out, it's as though I'm putting myself above it. In reality, I just threw myself into the middle of it all.

I read this as: We're immune to criticism because people who disagree with us aren't Christian and don't understand this.

Ever stop to consider that you MIGHT BE READING IT WRONG?

...use violence to conquer other Pokemons. This violence includes gnawing, slashing, smash kick, fire blast, seismic toss, electricity, poison, psychic blasts, paralyzing, etc.

Um, if you actually TRIED to pay attention, you'd also notice that the worst thing you can do to a Pokemon is make it faint. You can't kill it; you cant even wound it; all you can do is make it faint. Poison wears off after a short while. Paralyzation does the same. In every game, you fight against a criminal organization that brutally uses these helpless Pokemon in violent crimes.

...influenced by Japanese mysticism. Much of its character seems to come from Shinto (the traditional religion of Japan)...other Eastern religions, and New Age philosophies

Shintoism is the worship of nature spirits. That includes ALL animals, so you can pretty much claim that anywhere. Besides, new age philosophers, buddhists, and all the other people you are demonizing cant all be evil Satan-worshippers. A lot of them, Buddhists especially, follow a moral code similar to that of Jesus. Hmmmm.

Each Pokemon is a certain "type," which describes their "energy." There are currently 7 types of Pokemon, including "Grass," "Fire," "Water," "Lightning," "Psychic," "Fighting," nd(sic) colorless."

That's a great tactic, you know. Using "quotation marks" really does make your article seem to have more gravity. Pity it really doesn't.

Note to non-Christians: This page does NOT apply to you. Since you are not under the headship of Jesus Christ, this page will make no sense to you, since the Holy Spirit is not active in your life. Don't assume that you are a Christian because you go to church or have Christian parents. YOU personally must make a decision to follow Jesus Christ in order to be a Christian.

Ooh, I REALLY like this one. So, your saying that if someone doesn't totally agree with you, they aren't a devout christian? Priceless.

:headbang:

Ooh, I REALLY like this one. So, your saying that if someone doesn't totally agree with you, they aren't a devout christian? Priceless.

That's called good old fashioned intolerance. Every group has it, and they use the same Goddamn tactics...

The sections in bold are the root of the problem. You're quite right that all christians are not fervent, dogmatic Rottweilers of God, but all of them believe that they're going to heaven and anyone not accepting Christ won't. That's a pretty fundamental tenet, isn't it? I'm not wrong, am I?

So, it doesn't matter how you couch your terms. The essence of Christianity is "join us or burn". As such, any Christian can feel safe and sound in this life, because there's a better one ahead - your perception of the world is already tilted. Add to this a set of codified laws, and you'd have a recipe for a pretty hilarious knock-about sitcom if it wasn't really happening. If you base your laws and system of morality exclusively on someone else's terms, then you're not functioning well. It's a crying shame.

The asterixed part is a staggering generalisation, and strangely worded.

1) Logic has no "premise". Logic just "is". It's passive.

2) Philosophy, as far as I know, was never begun as a means of coercion. Can you give some examples of Philosophers putting people to the sword for not believing in luck egalitarianism or the categorical imperative?

3) Not everybody tries to force belief. Most people let it slide. That's why a great deal of people dislike being preached at. Because maybe, just maybe, a lot of people have made the leap of faith and concluded that in worshipping a Christian / Hindu / Islamic god, you're just worshipping a system of power.


I happen to agree with much said here. My parents were Christian, but I most definately am not. I'll die a hundred times before I become one. All my life, from my family and people at school (as my parents forced me to go to a Catholic school), I was told how supposedly "evil" I was and how I'll go to hell and all that crap. Christians, from my experience, have only ever seen these possiblities. Unlike other religions (or those without religion), monotheists seem to see only the possiblities of afterlife from their relgious views. So, no matter what you are, be it Buddhist, Hindu, Shinto, Taoist, Ancient Egyptian fanatic, you're wrong because you don't belief the same, you don't understand, and so you'll be punished.
The whole issue is not being able to see that there are other persepectives and possiblities. If I believe in reincarnation, that's my thing. If I believe in the whole eternal life in heaven or hell, then that's it. Never should someone assume that everyone feels the same way. That is why most people, be they atheists or from a religious group that is not monotheist, are so annoyed when these beliefs are forced on them. And all they do is deny it, or say "It's God's will" or whatever. In my belief, there is the darkness, light and void. Darkness and light, unlike the crap Christians come out with, are not bad and good; they are merely something that exisits, to me. The void is nothingness that tries to destroy everything that exisits, and the void is the only group with one "god" as such.
Understand how people like us feel with Christians demand our alliegence to one god. We're supposed to believe in the one thing that tries to destroy us?? I'm well aware not all Christians, Jews, etc are extermists and constantly force their beliefs on others. However, the fact that it is assumed that that is the one and only way a person should live is what frustrates everyone the most.

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/pokemon.html

Of course this isn't all "new" info...but you should really look over this website. It goes to show you that every religion has its group of extremists and morons...

I'd go further and say that any group of people (idiots and geniuses included) have segments of people who are retards.

I must be a bad Christian cause I've played basically all those games at one time or another. I wouldn't call these Christians ridiculous more...horribly misguided. I've never got why certain Christians decide to focus all their energy into crusading against gays or Harry Potter. I've always felt that God would want me to channel my energy into helping those in need not into informing the world that Pokemon do all kinds of evil things like gnawing and evolving. Heaven forbid that our children become exposed to a world view that's not our our own.

Old news lol. That's been out for years.

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/pokemon.html

Of course this isn't all "new" info...but you should really look over this website. It goes to show you that every religion has its group of extremists and morons...

I think this picture describes this website pretty well.

http://lolcats2.com/full/fail.jpg

Wow. Grave-dig. :p

Satanic Grave Dig.

Poke`mon evolution ISN'T evolution of any kind. It's technically metaphrosis...

And the epic fundie fail of this site should make us all lose 1D10 of SAN. (Ha! Reference to another RPG which the author of this shoot would hate!)

Ever stop to consider that you MIGHT BE READING IT WRONG?
Kinda like listening to Black Sabbath ...
or even, playing "Dark Side of the Moon" while watching "The Wizard of Oz"
?

2. Since when has DOOM been an RPG?

Fantasy Flight Games did come out with a Doom board game and an expansion.

Pokemon is a role-playing game similar to Dungeons and Dragons
:rolleyes:

This guy clearly has no idea about what an RPG is. What a moron.
Plus... "OMG, them Pokemons get them powers from summat that ain't God! AYEEE!!! SORCERY! THEM DEMONS ARE BEING UNLEASHED!" :rolleyes: Some people deserve to be sent where they belong to, that is, Middle-Ages.


Anyway, I think that the concept behind the Pokemon is a bit disgusting. Training cute "pets" to fight each other...

:rolleyes:

This guy clearly has no idea about what an RPG is. What a moron.
Plus... "OMG, them Pokemons get them powers from summat that ain't God! AYEEE!!! SORCERY! THEM DEMONS ARE BEING UNLEASHED!" :rolleyes: Some people deserve to be sent where they belong to, that is, Middle-Ages.

Wizards of the Coast did come up with a mini-RPG called Pokemon Jr. Which of course tanked like a Uwe Boll Halo Epic to where few people ever heard of it.

On the other hand, if you love a twisted Lovecraftian parody, there's always Pokethulhu.

Anyway, I think that the concept behind the Pokemon is a bit disgusting. Training cute "pets" to fight each other...

It's cockfighting with genetically engineered critters.

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/pokemon.html

Of course this isn't all "new" info...but you should really look over this website. It goes to show you that every religion has its group of extremists and morons...

You can make fun of them all you like but they are clear in the article if you're not a Christian, you wouldn't get it. I am not a Christian and I'm not in a place to throw stones.

Pokemon is an RPG.
The video game preceded the card game, y'know.

Who wants to tell them Jesus wasn't white? Im sure you'd get burnt at the stake.

In any case, he died for us so lets all abuse the forgiveness.

Why do noobs keep gravedigging threads these days?


Nothing to see here people, leave the zombie thread alone and it'll just go away.

Soap operas are teh evil?

Have you ever seen 'The Bold and the Beuatiful'?

They have the Gypsy 'Evil Eye' down to an art form.

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/pokemon.html

Of course this isn't all "new" info...but you should really look over this website. It goes to show you that every religion has its group of extremists and morons...

that's amazing.

http://www.gpaed.de/bildergalerie/data/media/26/schweizergarde.JPG

Oooh scary.

You should see what they can do with their Swiss pointy stick ;) .

You should see what they can do with their Swiss pointy stick ;) .

am I going to hell? the first thing that came to mind when I saw that picture was "I'd do him."

am I going to hell? the first thing that came to mind when I saw that picture was "I'd do him."

Nah, as long as a stork comes and gives you a baby you can do him.

To tell you the truth the getup looks a bit like a juggler's costume.

Nah, as long as a stork comes and gives you a baby you can do him.

To tell you the truth the getup looks a bit like a juggler's costume.

I can think of a few things he's more than welcome to juggle...