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Just curious to see what you all think will happen when Fidel Castro finally kicks the bucket.

Go on, speculate...

Just curious to see what you all think will happen when Fidel Castro finally kicks the bucket.

Go on, speculate...

Cubas going to get fucked over by some dick.

Just curious to see what you all think will happen when Fidel Castro finally kicks the bucket.

Go on, speculate...

I think Castro has found the fountain of youth.

Cubas going to get fucked over by some dick.

No. It'll be a chick.

cuba will get run as a puppet state by the US. or the sanctions get lifted and the US leaves well alone and socialism thrives. i reckon the first one is far more likely though.

goes where? I think it would depends on the bucket, its contents and its owner really...

and Castro could be already dead for all we know maybe they just need to change the personality cult every now and again

raul castro is already in control of the government. when fidel finally dies raul will gradually allow broader democracy to the people. the US will loosen up on our stupid embargo but wont let go of it completely until raul dies in a few years.

then cuba will become the socialist paradise it should be. it will be the jewel of the carribean.

Los Cubanos say that they will gain a lot...but they will lose a shedload of shit.

I'm betting that the pull toward the global market will continue to mean that the government are trading with everyone else except the States and then gradually the US will win them round regardless of whose actually in charge of Cuba or America.

Then what?

No more free healthcare, no more free education until after university, no more libreta (rations), no more free boxing/ballet/music classes, no more best doctors in the world AND no longer a higher life-expectancy than the UK and lower infant mortality rate than the States.

But they won't be imprisoned for speaking out against the government, they'll earn more money than $8 a month, the government won't own all the cows anymore, no more national parks taking away agricultural land, they will have the freedom to travel and maybe some of those rich putas in Miami will come crawling back with some cash.

So it depends how you feel about those in terms of pros and cons. Para mi, Cuba es uno de los mejores paises in todo el mundo. I just hope the people stay as incredible as they are now.

raul castro is already in control of the government. when fidel finally dies raul will gradually allow broader democracy to the people. the US will loosen up on our stupid embargo but wont let go of it completely until raul dies in a few years.

then cuba will become the socialist paradise it should be. it will be the jewel of the carribean.

Unlikely, Raul Castro is a nasty authoritarian without the political cunning to understand the long or short term benefits that democratisation would bring.

I think that when Fidel Castro dies his brother will take over. But that it will not be a good thing for Cuba, the state will become much more oppressive (as there will probably be more people in need of oppressing, as dissident opinions will explode over Cuba after Fidel dies), and the fragile economy will collapse.

The Miami Cubans will be ecstatic for about five minutes, and then they'll be seriously pissed when the US government tells them to go fuck themselves when they ask us to invade so they can get their shit back. And I will laugh at them. Loudly. For a long time.

Castro found a magic lamp and wished for immortality.

The Miami Cubans will be ecstatic for about five minutes, and then they'll be seriously pissed when the US government tells them to go fuck themselves when they ask us to invade so they can get their shit back. And I will laugh at them. Loudly. For a long time.


I wasn't saying it was good that they'll come crawling back or even stay in Miami. Those people are decended from gangsters and they remain gangsters...(no offence to any Miami Mafiosa in the place)

hmm, either the current government will remiain in control or capitalism will fuck up all the wonderful work Castro has done there.

Unlikely, Raul Castro is a nasty authoritarian without the political cunning to understand the long or short term benefits that democratisation would bring.

I think that when Fidel Castro dies his brother will take over. But that it will not be a good thing for Cuba, the state will become much more oppressive (as there will probably be more people in need of oppressing, as dissident opinions will explode over Cuba after Fidel dies), and the fragile economy will collapse.

raul is already in control of the government. fidel had to give him control when he went into the hospital this last time. fidel is never going to be well enough to rule again. he may have another year of life but probably not.

i dont know much about raul but i cant see him having the adoration of the public that his brother has. i also doubt his will to oppress the people the way his brother has. (not that i might not be completely wrong) sort of like the way the 3rd generation of soviet leaders didnt have the will to keep the ussr and the warsaw pact together. i think he will have to allow some reform but certainly not as much as will happen when HE dies. raul is already 76. he doesnt have many good years left.

the cuban people are highly educated and politically sophisticated. they dont have the problems that other countries run by dictators have (like yugoslavia under tito, afghanistan under the taliban, iraq under hussein). the loss of a strong central leader will not lead to factional fighting.

their biggest obstacle to improvement now is the US embargo that keeps them poor and gives them someone to blame for their problems other than castro. if we welcome them back into our good graces (we did it with china, why not cuba?) we will accelerate the opening of their society and help them build the economy and government that they deserve.

i dont know much about raul but i cant see him having the adoration of the public that his brother has. i also doubt his will to oppress the people the way his brother has. (not that i might not be completely wrong) sort of like the way the 3rd generation of soviet leaders didnt have the will to keep the ussr and the warsaw pact together. i think he will have to allow some reform but certainly not as much as will happen when HE dies. raul is already 76. he doesnt have many good years left.

He might not have the love of the people that Fidel has, but if anything, Raul is more of a hardass than Fidel is. He's the real hardliner of the two.

The Cubans should burn up the Cuban parliament... like in V for Vendetta! :eek:

The Cubans should burn up the Cuban parliament... like in V for Vendetta! :eek:

Cuban parliament? Ha. The 'parliament' is basically all the revolutionaries who aren't dead yet. The country is run by the people as far as that's possible without actually having any power: you should go, lots of Canadians do....

He might not have the love of the people that Fidel has, but if anything, Raul is more of a hardass than Fidel is. He's the real hardliner of the two.

time will tell. he is already the defacto head of cuba but he is 76. who comes after him?

time will tell. he is already the defacto head of cuba but he is 76. who comes after him?

Fabio.

Fabio.

Lol. :D

When Fidel dies, Raul will receive the reigns of power giving the world its second socialist monarchy, and will rule the Island as dictator as long as he can, but, he does not have the personality cult that surrounded Fidel, and will be unlikely to hold the state together. As violent power struggles wrack the island, thousands, if not millions of refugees will take to the seas on homemade transports, fleeing to the one source of stability that they know: The United States.

As chaos rapidly engulfs Cuba, the United Nations will call for peacekeepers to move in to restore some semblance of order, but in the time it will take for a multinational force to coalesce, the United States will deploy a Marine division to the Island.

From there, it's anyones guess. After fifty years under the rule of Fidel Castro and the dictatorship of his communist party, no one knows how the Cuban people will respond to having a free press, an open economy and not living in the nineteen-fifties.

time will tell. he is already the defacto head of cuba but he is 76. who comes after him?

But he is ruling on the behalf of his brother, whose image and existence are the most powerful objects maintaining the Cuban state.

The Cubans should burn up the Cuban parliament... like in V for Vendetta! :eek:

Actually, the symbolism is pretty damn good. Two totally irrelevant and ineffective parliaments, both burned to the ground.

you should go, lots of Canadians do....

I should, eh? Alas, I have no time and $$$ at the moment!
But one day! I will go! :)

He might not have the love of the people that Fidel has, but if anything, Raul is more of a hardass than Fidel is. He's the real hardliner of the two.

It was him and Che lining dissidents up against the wall and shooting them, after all.

But he is ruling on the behalf of his brother, whose image and existence are the most powerful objects maintaining the Cuban state.

I would put Venezualan oil subsidies up there as well...

I should, eh? Alas, I have no time and $$$ at the moment!
But one day! I will go! :)

I'm not even joking. It's an amazing country: totally free of McDonalds, Starbucks, office blocks, people running around in suits....unless you like that kind of thing:

There is a town called Trinidad on the southern coast of the Island that still has the original colonial paving stones and houses - truly crazy experience. Of course the whole country's going to shit as the tourists come more and more, creating a dual economy....

I would put Venezualan oil subsidies up there as well...

At the rate that the Venezuelan oil production is going, that's not going to hold out much longer. Chavez is wrecking the economy, and driving foreign investment away.

I'm not even joking. It's an amazing country: totally free of McDonalds, Starbucks, office blocks, people running around in suits....unless you like that kind of thing:

There is a town called Trinidad on the southern coast of the Island that still has the original colonial paving stones and houses - truly crazy experience. Of course the whole country's going to shit as the tourists come more and more, creating a dual economy....
Yeah, it's straight out of the nineteen fifties. Even the cars were all built then. The near total lack of computers (save for the Potemkin villages they show tourists) is also rather quaint. No thanks, I stay in the United States.

Yeah, it's straight out of the nineteen fifties. Even the cars were all built then. The near total lack of computers (save for the Potemkin villages they show tourists) is also rather quaint. No thanks, I stay in the United States.

I like the total lack of computers. Feels like your - for once - actually seperate from the big bad world. Spent most of my time the last time I was there in a tiny little village in the North outside of La Habana called Guanabo staying with some Cuban friends (paying of course; Cuban friendships ain't free) using Cuban currecny, not tourist currency, drinking Rum bought from La Bodega and eating Piccadillo on the beach without a tourist/guidebook/piece of trash for miles...

Just curious to see what you all think will happen when Fidel Castro finally kicks the bucket.

Go on, speculate...

Speculation: Same shit, different dictator.
Reasoning: Pledgeria's Rule of Politics: It never gets better -- just different.