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Fox News had a segment on global warming yesterday. During that segment they had a guest -- a very special guest. Listen to what this special guest had to say:

Now look, God’s still up there. We still have these natural changes, and this is what’s going on right now. New science comes out. I had a news conference yesterday, Brian, and the reason I did is because we were going to go over to Nairobi, take a bunch of scientists to get the true science over there, only to find out that the registration had dropped off. Almost no media was over there. So we had the same news conference yesterday right here in Washington, D.C.

We had all these scientists and all of them came to the conclusion, yes, part of the globe is warming. Let’s keep in mind, now, the southern hemisphere has never been warming and changing in the last 25 years. The last time I checked that’s part of the globe.

But if the northern hemisphere is warming up, it’s not due to manmade gases. And that’s what these people all come to the conclusion. And yet the other side, the far left, the George Soros, the Hollywood elitists, the far left environmentalists on the committee that I chair — all of them want us to believe the science is settled and it’s not.

I guess he hadn't heard from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/007.htm). Or the National Academy of Sciences (http://www.nap.edu/catalog/11676.html). Or common sense (http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Glacier_Gallery).

The guest, by the way, was Republican Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma. Inhofe happens to be the chairman of -- wait for it -- the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.

:headbang:

This is what irritates me about religion getting intertwined with government -- there are many powerful leaders nowadays who think they can screw over the world through war and pollution, content in the belief that "God will fix it all" or that they'll be Raptured away before the shit hits the fan.

Here's hoping that Inhofe's replacement has a bit more concern for our future...

YouTube video of segment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VeWbCN3tvk)

PS: Oh, that outrageous CNN movie reference that flabbergasted the Fox anchor? Here's the quote:

"This is the 'Day After Tomorrow' scenario that we're talking about."

Wow. Miles O'Brien should be lynched. :rolleyes:

Apparently, Inhofe threatened to filibuster any global warming legislation that came up, but it's doubtful that his party would stand behind him on it. See what a difference control of Congress can make?

While I do agree that the science is not settled, I don't think the Senator's remarks speak well of him. Automatically labeling folks who disagree with him "far left environmentalists" is ludicrous. Using God as an excuse for inaction in addressing environmental concerns is also ludicrous. And the general lack of coherence in his statements make me wonder what kind of brain he has in that head.

I suppose he uses the argument that bad things happen in this world not because God is an asshole/doesn't exist, but because she gave us free will? So how does he reconcile this with the idea that God is gonna save his ass?

While I do agree that the science is not settled, I don't think the Senator's remarks speak well of him. Automatically labeling folks who disagree with him "far left environmentalists" is ludicrous. Using God as an excuse for inaction in addressing environmental concerns is also ludicrous. And the general lack of coherence in his statements make me wonder what kind of brain he has in that head.

One that apparently passed muster before his electorate. Go figure.

God made us stewards of the earth, that means we take care of the damned thing. It stopped being our private Playground after Eden. Bloody hell what does it take for a reasonable Christian view to get out?

I added a bit of the OP to my sig.

hope you don't mind :D

Not preaching my religion, but if this guy was ruler of the Earth, we'd be dead. Why? Because in my religion, we believe God helps if we actually do something or attempt to do something to help ourselves first. You don't just pray to God hoping everything will become better while not lifting a finger of your own.

I added a bit of the OP to my sig.

hope you don't mind :D
Much obliged. :)

FThe guest, by the way, was Republican Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma. Inhofe happens to be the chairman of -- wait for it -- the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.

...:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Not preaching my religion, but if this guy was ruler of the Earth, we'd be dead. Why? Because in my religion, we believe God helps if we actually do something or attempt to do something to help ourselves first. You don't just pray to God hoping everything will become better while not lifting a finger of your own.

absolutely.

Why do I get the feeling you didn't read his argument? Whether you agree or not, it did not rely particularly on God.

This is what I hate with global warming followers; GW is just taken for granted, everyone questioning it are idiots.

Why do I get the feeling you didn't read his argument? Whether you agree or not, it did not rely particularly on God.

This is what I hate with global warming followers; GW is just taken for granted, everyone questioning it are idiots.

Can you find something in there that isn't bullshit because I've given up looking.

God made us stewards of the earth, that means we take care of the damned thing. It stopped being our private Playground after Eden. Bloody hell what does it take for a reasonable Christian view to get out?
True. This guy needs to realise the simple and obvious fact that destroying the earth - the work of God - for your own benefit is just sticking your finger up at him. Not the attitude of any committed Christian.

True. This guy needs to realise the simple and obvious fact that destroying the earth - the work of God - for your own benefit is just sticking your finger up at him. Not the attitude of any committed Christian.
Unless, of course, you're one of those christians who believes the earth has to be destroyed in order to trigger the rapture. Those are some scary fuckers.

I wonder if he's ever considered the possibility that global warming is the outcome of a greed-driven, materialist society that places consumption and accumulation of status symbols on the highest pedestal possible and that destroys the Earth as part of its never ending desire for more.

Global warming seems rather like a punishment for our civilization's greed and hubris if you look at it through a religious viewpoint.

What about this?

Signs of global warming are three times more apparent in Antarctica than across the rest of the planet, a new study shows.


http://www.livescience.com/environment/060330_warming_antarctic.html

I wonder if he's ever considered the possibility that global warming is the outcome of a greed-driven, materialist society that places consumption and accumulation of status symbols on the highest pedestal possible and that destroys the Earth as part of its never ending desire for more.

Global warming seems rather like a punishment for our civilization's greed and hubris if you look at it through a religious viewpoint.

I doubt he's ever considered considered anything that rationally in his entire life.

This isn't the first time.

President Reagan shot down environmental legislation because he thought Jesus Christ's return would occur within his presidency.

God I hate Reagan. :headbang:

This isn't the first time.

President Reagan shot down environmental legislation because he thought Jesus Christ's return would occur within his presidency.

God I hate Reagan. :headbang:

wasn't he the "trees pollute more than cars" guy?

While I do agree that the science is not settled, I don't think the Senator's remarks speak well of him. Automatically labeling folks who disagree with him "far left environmentalists" is ludicrous. Using God as an excuse for inaction in addressing environmental concerns is also ludicrous. And the general lack of coherence in his statements make me wonder what kind of brain he has in that head.

If there even is a brain in that head...

We had all these scientists and all of them came to the conclusion, yes, part of the globe is warming. Let’s keep in mind, now, the southern hemisphere has never been warming and changing in the last 25 years. The last time I checked that’s part of the globe.
Guess the huge hole in the ozone over Antartica doesn't count as 'change' then?
Or maybe he doesn't view Antartica as part of the Southern Hemisphere.



A guy I knew back in Uni mother was a fundie. She didn't give a damn about the environment because she believed that when the last tree is cut down, "God would make more for us".

While I do agree that the science is not settled, I don't think the Senator's remarks speak well of him. Automatically labeling folks who disagree with him "far left environmentalists" is ludicrous. Using God as an excuse for inaction in addressing environmental concerns is also ludicrous. And the general lack of coherence in his statements make me wonder what kind of brain he has in that head.

From what I remember about him, the answer to your question is "not much". He's been a laughingstock for some time to people that actually hear about his comments (a lot of them are awfully reminscent of Ted Stevens's comments about the Internet).
Yes, you're supposed to respond to this post with a Jon Stewart quote.
The mere fact that he was a committee chairman only makes me happier that the Democrats now have control of committee chairs, barring acts of Lieberman.

Inhofe is the guy who runs the environmental committee. The guy in charge of technology thinks the internet is a series of tubes. Foley was in charge of "missing and exploited children."

I think if the Dems taking over Congress accomplishes nothing other than making sure that laws on subjects don't pass through comittees run by people who are trying to make those things worse.

Inhofe is the guy who runs the environmental committee. The guy in charge of technology thinks the internet is a series of tubes. Foley was in charge of "missing and exploited children."

I think if the Dems taking over Congress accomplishes nothing other than making sure that laws on subjects don't pass through comittees run by people who are trying to make those things worse.
Pshaw... everybody knows congressmen are supposed to chair the committee that embodies their greatest weakness. :p

Well, I for one am comforted and consoled by this. I was concerned about the mounting evidence for humanity's negative environmental impact on global climate, but now that I know it's just a bunch of liberal left-wing enviro-nuts spreading malarky and having no faith in the One True God, I'll sleep better at night.

Well, I for one am comforted and consoled by this. I was concerned about the mounting evidence for humanity's negative environmental impact on global climate, but now that I know it's just a bunch of liberal left-wing enviro-nuts spreading malarky and having no faith in the One True God, I'll sleep better at night.

Same here. Comforting to know we were wrong, isn't it? ;)

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Global warming seems rather like a punishment for our civilization's greed and hubris if you look at it through a religious viewpoint.

No, no, God only punishes society for our tolerance of homosexuality and etc.

No, no, God only punishes society for our tolerance of homosexuality and etc.

No, no, Allah doesn't punish us as much as we think, we hurt ourselves.

No, no, God only punishes society for our tolerance of homosexuality and etc.

Oh yeah, I forgot. But then again, it's so much easier to go after homosexuals than to clean up your own act; that "prosperity gospel" is so attractive and easy to attain, after all. Sure, we're destroying the planet through greed and hubris, but as long as we keep moralizing about others we won't have to worry about the problems created by our own sins.

But then again, it's people who end up twisting the noble truths that religion offers in to an instrument of oppression and corruption...we try to deify our own pursuits and petty rivalries, anthropomorphizing God in to a vain reflection of ourselves. Placing man as God is arguably one of the greatest evils that we have ever created.

I doubt he's ever considered considered anything that rationally in his entire life.

Most of these "men of God" don't.

It's interesting that my religious beliefs have gotten stronger and more cohesive the more rigorously I examine them with rational thought...perhaps if we encourage people to think, they would discover that there is a lot of truth to be found in rational spirituality as ppposed to the bizarre, irrational beliefs of the more extremist and more fundamentalist religious traditions out there.

After all, some of the world's greatest thinkers were religious...it's obviously not religion itself that closes the mind.

Instead of using a bin, I just throw my litter out onto my front lawn, and then hope that Buddha comes by and picks it up.
It works, too! Well, I think he's Buddha. I mean, he's fat and bald, but he could just be my landlord.

This guy is in the Senate?

Instead of using a bin, I just throw my litter out onto my front lawn, and then hope that Buddha comes by and picks it up.
It works, too! Well, I think he's Buddha. I mean, he's fat and bald, but he could just be my landlord.

Wow, so much bad karma...

This guy is in the Senate?

Well, if someone like Ted Stevens can be elected to six terms then I don't think it's particularly shocking that this winner's in there too.

I know this isn't really about the God thing but I'd quite like it if us Atheists-and-God-believers-that-believe-in-global-warming (a new religion if ever I saw one) were saved by a giant beaver/squid/whale at the event of the whole world becoming a massive swimming pool and anyone, regardless of whether you believe in God or not, who denied it were trying to get on the beaver/squid/whale and we were like ever heard of a thing called Karma? Selfish, money-fuelled, twats. :D

This guy is in the Senate?

Is he any dumber than the President? Really?

Is he any dumber than the President? Really?

Trust me, I've had my "This guy is in the White House?" moments as well.

Fox News had a segment on global warming yesterday. During that segment they had a guest -- a very special guest. Listen to what this special guest had to say:



I guess he hadn't heard from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/007.htm). Or the National Academy of Sciences (http://www.nap.edu/catalog/11676.html). Or common sense (http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Glacier_Gallery).

The guest, by the way, was Republican Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma. Inhofe happens to be the chairman of -- wait for it -- the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.

:headbang:

This is what irritates me about religion getting intertwined with government -- there are many powerful leaders nowadays who think they can screw over the world through war and pollution, content in the belief that "God will fix it all" or that they'll be Raptured away before the shit hits the fan.

Here's hoping that Inhofe's replacement has a bit more concern for our future...

YouTube video of segment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VeWbCN3tvk)

PS: Oh, that outrageous CNN movie reference that flabbergasted the Fox anchor? Here's the quote:

"This is the 'Day After Tomorrow' scenario that we're talking about."

Wow. Miles O'Brien should be lynched. :rolleyes:

I suppose he uses the argument that bad things happen in this world not because God is an asshole/doesn't exist, but because she gave us free will? So how does he reconcile this with the idea that God is gonna save his ass?

The Bible plainly says that God is behind the "environmental problems" and He (no, I don't mean "she") brings them about:

1. Because of man's wickedness - "He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground; A fruitful land into barrenness, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein." - Psalm 107:33,34

2. Because the nations will not stop persecuting His people Israel - "The earth is also defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." - Isaiah 24:5,6

The "everlasting covenant" is a reference to God's UNCONDITIONAL covenant which He made with Abraham, and which the Palestinians and the UN are violating by trying to throw the Jews out of their land (again!) and exterminate them.

God made us stewards of the earth, that means we take care of the damned thing. It stopped being our private Playground after Eden. Bloody hell what does it take for a reasonable Christian view to get out?

It will take nothing less than Jesus Christ sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem as King of the whole earth (and it WILL happen) for "a reasonable Christian view" to get out; until then, the news media will see to it that that (a reasonable Christian view getting out) does NOT happen.

Unless, of course, you're one of those christians who believes the earth has to be destroyed in order to trigger the rapture. Those are some scary fuckers.

I believe nothing of the kind. I DO believe there will be a rapture, but it will be >1000 years before the earth is completely destroyed. First there will be 7 years of tribulation, when the devil shows up on this earth as a man, but no one will believe he is the devil, because he is a master politician. Then after the 7 years is up, Christ will come back to earth, reveal the devil to be just that - the devil - instead of who he will have claimed to be, and then Christ will reign over the world for 1000 years. Then the devil will make one last attempt to overthrow Christ, and he will fail to do so. THEN the earth will be destroyed. Revelation 20:7-15

No, the rapture is not triggered by the destruction of the earth.

The Bible plainly says that God is behind the "environmental problems" and He (no, I don't mean "she") brings them about:

1. Because of man's wickedness - "He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground; A fruitful land into barrenness, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein." - Psalm 107:33,34
What's your point? Are you saying that we should pray rather than implement sensible environmental measures?

2. Because the nations will not stop persecuting His people Israel.
Then why is it that American cities are shrouded in smog?

The Bible plainly says that God is behind the "environmental problems" and He (no, I don't mean "she") brings them about:

1. Because of man's wickedness - "He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground; A fruitful land into barrenness, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein." - Psalm 107:33,34

2. Because the nations will not stop persecuting His people Israel.

Can't He find something better to do? Honestly... I'm sure He's bored after millenia of doing virtually nothing but talking to a few prophets, but surely He can entertain Himself in a way that doesn't involve screwing up our planet?

Then why is it that American cities are shrouded in smog?

Apparently because nobody loves Israel sufficiently enough for Jehovah-1 to magically whisk it away. As Corporate Sin Gods go, Jehovah-1 is a nasty bit of work.

...why is it that American cities are shrouded in smog?

Because, by not nuking those Ay-Rab idol worshippers (even the Christian ones) who want to throw the Jews out of Israel good American Christians have to suffer.

If America wants to fix global warming, they need to declare another crusade, it should really be obvious, check your KJV (the only TRUE version, directly read to King James himself by Jesus*) Bible.

*The reason being to correct any typos in earlier versions, so don't you dare bring up where the original source conflicts, Baal-worshipper

Can't He find something better to do? Honestly... I'm sure He's bored after millenia of doing virtually nothing but talking to a few prophets, but surely He can entertain Himself in a way that doesn't involve screwing up our planet?

Maybe our planet is fun to screw up?

Fox News had a segment on global warming yesterday. During that segment they had a guest -- a very special guest. Listen to what this special guest had to say:



I guess he hadn't heard from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/007.htm). Or the National Academy of Sciences (http://www.nap.edu/catalog/11676.html). Or common sense (http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Glacier_Gallery).

The guest, by the way, was Republican Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma. Inhofe happens to be the chairman of -- wait for it -- the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.

:headbang:

This is what irritates me about religion getting intertwined with government -- there are many powerful leaders nowadays who think they can screw over the world through war and pollution, content in the belief that "God will fix it all" or that they'll be Raptured away before the shit hits the fan.

Here's hoping that Inhofe's replacement has a bit more concern for our future...

YouTube video of segment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VeWbCN3tvk)

PS: Oh, that outrageous CNN movie reference that flabbergasted the Fox anchor? Here's the quote:

"This is the 'Day After Tomorrow' scenario that we're talking about."

Wow. Miles O'Brien should be lynched. :rolleyes:


I just started watching the YouTube article... and this guy who is the official "chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works" actually said that "this all started... with the United Nations, back in 1995".

I assume he is talking about the scientific debate over Global Warming... which is interesting - because I was reading Global Warming papers at University in '93...

Oh, that bodes well...

This is what irritates me about religion getting intertwined with government -- there are many powerful leaders nowadays who think they can screw over the world through war and pollution, content in the belief that "God will fix it all" or that they'll be Raptured away before the shit hits the fan.

A guy I knew back in Uni mother was a fundie. She didn't give a damn about the environment because she believed that when the last tree is cut down, "God would make more for us".

Religion is no excuse for laziness. People should get off their arse and help people every once in a while, instead of sitting back because God/Thor/Horus/The FSM will do it instead.... I am aware of the hypocrisy.