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Perhaps we shall soon see a more american Canada http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/world/americas/19canada.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

That link is about oil prices.

LOL :p

I'm anxiously awaiting the *correct* link...

That link is about oil prices.

It's not a mistake. The religious right in Canada is built upon the oil reserves of the Arctic Circle.

Read the article - the topic makes sense when you have.

It's not a mistake. The religious right in Canada is built upon the oil reserves of the Arctic Circle.

Read the article - the topic makes sense when you have.

Of course. How silly of me.

Perhaps we shall soon see a more american Canada http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/17/markets/oil_price/index.htm
The Americanisation of Canada has been going on for decades, but not because of the religious right. It's because American companies are buying up larger sections of the Canadian private sector, which in turn influences government policy.

It's not a mistake. The religious right in Canada is built upon the oil reserves of the Arctic Circle.

Read the article - the topic makes sense when you have.

no, it does not.

no, it does not.

I don't think you read it properly.

Look for the point about the polar bear.

It's not a mistake. The religious right in Canada is built upon the oil reserves of the Arctic Circle.

Read the article - the topic makes sense when you have.
Really? I always thought the aboriginals and the polar bears are the basis of Canada turning more conservative. I knew we shouldn't have allowed those damned bears the right to vote! :mad:

I don't think you read it properly.

Look for the point about the polar bear.

oddly enough, I can't find anything to do with Polar bears in that article.

Why do people always have to blame the "religious right".

Why do people always have to blame the "religious right".

because people hate fundamentalists.

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If you wanna get down, down on the ground; cocaine.
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If you got bad news, you wanna kick them blues; cocaine.
When your day is done and you wanna run; cocaine.
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If your thing is gone and you wanna ride on; cocaine.
Dont forget this fact, you cant get it back; cocaine.
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She dont lie, she dont lie, she dont lie; cocaine.



I'm not entirely sure why, but I found this vaguely appropriate.

If you wanna hang out youve got to take her out; cocaine.
If you wanna get down, down on the ground; cocaine.
She dont lie, she dont lie, she dont lie; cocaine.

If you got bad news, you wanna kick them blues; cocaine.
When your day is done and you wanna run; cocaine.
She dont lie, she dont lie, she dont lie; cocaine.

If your thing is gone and you wanna ride on; cocaine.
Dont forget this fact, you cant get it back; cocaine.
She dont lie, she dont lie, she dont lie; cocaine.

She dont lie, she dont lie, she dont lie; cocaine.



I'm not entirely sure why, but I found this vaguely appropriate.
Because we have a lot of coke addicts in Canada who are descended from the religious right? :confused:

WHOOPS ^_^_^_^v my bad.. the right article is up now... interseting this convesration was carried on even w/o it.. Damn some of u ppl must be mighty bored

If you wanna hang out youve got to take her out; cocaine.
If you wanna get down, down on the ground; cocaine.
She dont lie, she dont lie, she dont lie; cocaine.

If you got bad news, you wanna kick them blues; cocaine.
When your day is done and you wanna run; cocaine.
She dont lie, she dont lie, she dont lie; cocaine.

If your thing is gone and you wanna ride on; cocaine.
Dont forget this fact, you cant get it back; cocaine.
She dont lie, she dont lie, she dont lie; cocaine.

She dont lie, she dont lie, she dont lie; cocaine.



I'm not entirely sure why, but I found this vaguely appropriate.

Is this a snow joke?

If Mr. Harper appears to be too aggressive in pushing to revisit gay marriage he also risks losing votes in Quebec, where his pro-Israel stance and an environmental plan that does not meet Canada’s Kyoto Protocol commitments have already hurt his support in a province that is critical to his chances of securing a majority in the next election.
Seems that Canada is still safer than the US.

Down here, the "Christian Fascism" has a ready a ready made constituency of ignorant, mentally inferior people that vote for whoever holds up the largest bible and screams about rounding up Homosexuals for extermination.

At least in Canada one has a culture of education and mental growth that is the bane of repressive dogmatic stupidity.

Yeah, I thought this would be about the protest against gay marriage in Canada. Why shouldn't Canada have second-class citizens, just like the US?

And polar bears can vote up there? :eek:

Yeah, I thought this would be about the protest against gay marriage in Canada. Why shouldn't Canada have second-class citizens, just like the US?
To distract the people from the real issues at hand, so politicians can get away with murder and suddenly bring up "oh noes, t3h h0m0z" to cover their tracks.

And polar bears can vote up there? :eek:
They're called Yukoners.

What a load of bollocks. Homosexuality isn't the only thing that goes against the Bible (or whatever religious text one follows). Why don't they go and outlaw divorce for heterosexual couples? Why don't they go and outlaw sex for teens? Such lameness.

I don't think we have to worry about the religious right in Canada. The same-sex marriage debate is pretty much over in Canada. The only way it could go on is if many MPs went against party lines and voted to revisit the debate. With the current layout of the HC, I doubt that. Everyone's too busy trying to hold on to the power that they have.

So when this debate finally dies down, will the religious right maintain momentum? I doubt it. They will have no real issue to rally around. Many of the issues that Canada is facing are secular issues, like the environment, gun control, native sovereignty, legalisation of marijuana, and our favourites: education and healthcare.

They'll resurface as an organised group when we discuss euthanasia and legalisation of prostitution.

To distract the people from the real issues at hand, so politicians can get away with murder and suddenly bring up "oh noes, t3h h0m0z" to cover their tracks.
See? Canada has already been Americanized.

They're called Yukoners.
I learn something every day.

I thought this was going to be about Bountiful http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/bustupinbountiful/

See? Canada has already been Americanized.
Well, the anti gay marriage Tories didn't win a majority in Parliament in the last election, and even they aren't too bothered about it. But I'm not Canadian, so don't quote me on that, eh?

I learn something every day.
http://robert.ettinger.com/uploaded_images/The_More_You_Know-775718.jpg

I don't see the religious right gaining any significant ground in Canada. Canadians simply aren't religious.

In the US, 50% of residents attend a religious ceremony at least once/week. In Canada, that number is <10%.

The right-wing parts of Canada tend to be more libertarian than anything else.

The Americanisation of Canada has been going on for decades, but not because of the religious right. It's because American companies are buying up larger sections of the Canadian private sector, which in turn influences government policy.
It also provides cheaper goods to the Canadian people. If Canadians want to buy Canadian, there are Canadian Tires instead of Home Depots that they are free to visit. Besides, if Canadian politicians allow themselves to be influenced by corporations, that's the politician's fault. It is entirely seemly that any group of businessmen would try to live with as much ease as possible, which may include through government aid, and is not something that one can easily ban. One can, however, elect politicians that have no interest in subsidizing one corporation over another. I find it odd, however, that we worry about the government being influenced by American industries when we have plenty of Canadian industries doing it already.

He's minorty, everyone else is against it, it'd never go through but his revisiting it would insure a liberal government the next time around. So yeah, I hope he does so he can fail miserably.


They're called Yukoners.


Oh snap! (though it was Yukonites?)

The 'religious right' just isn't going to gain the kind of ground that it has in the US for several reasons (i.m.h.o.);

- There's no large 'bible belt' or 'born again' phenomenon that seems to have emerged over the last few decades in the US. My guess is that there was a larger rejection of what was seen as 'moral decay' to many in the US, and the answer to these problems for the right was to evangelize. There's not a huge 'born again' movement in Canada. Most of the religious groups in Canada would be traditional conservative church groups.

- The average middle class family is largely secular, and seems to follow a more secular aproach to morality than in the US. We've also had a few decades of heavy-handed liberalization from the top down since the Trudeau era. The few people who object to it are largely rural and elderly, with less political clout, since most of the electoral votes are in the metropolitan areas.

- Religion simply makes bad politics in Canada; a) it reminds Canadians of American politics, and b) most Canadians are secular. Harper's 'God Bless Canada' bit that he does after every speech is relatively harmless, because even Secular Canadians will agree with the sentiment.

- Harper's pledge to see the gay marriage issue brought into parliament again is a political necessity for him. He forged a new party out of two pre-existing parties in order to win an election against the never-ending rule of the Liberal party. He wasn't going to do it without at least the idea that a 'free vote' should be held in Parliament, so that MPs could 'vote their conscience' on the issue.

I believe the courts have already ruled that overturning same-sex marriage would be unconstitutional, so it's kind of a dead end;

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Of course, if there was a big enough relgious movement in Canada, there is this little line at the very beginning of the Charter;

Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:

Why do people always have to blame the "religious right".
Because they blame us for anything that isn't in line with their pefect world.

The religious right here in Canada is based on the prices of Lakeport beer and Canadian Tire commercials.

The religious right here in Canada is based on the prices of Lakeport beer and Canadian Tire commercials.

Particularly the Christmas-y ones wherein the Faithful are exhorted to "give like Santa" yet "save like Scrooge". Thrifty bloody cheek.

There may still be hope for Canada after all :D

What!!11! Oh no!!1! What will I do if the US reinstates the draft? I'll have to move to Mexico.

The 'religious right' just isn't going to gain the kind of ground that it has in the US for several reasons (i.m.h.o.);

- There's no large 'bible belt' or 'born again' phenomenon that seems to have emerged over the last few decades in the US. My guess is that there was a larger rejection of what was seen as 'moral decay' to many in the US, and the answer to these problems for the right was to evangelize. There's not a huge 'born again' movement in Canada. Most of the religious groups in Canada would be traditional conservative church groups.

- The average middle class family is largely secular, and seems to follow a more secular aproach to morality than in the US. We've also had a few decades of heavy-handed liberalization from the top down since the Trudeau era. The few people who object to it are largely rural and elderly, with less political clout, since most of the electoral votes are in the metropolitan areas.

- Religion simply makes bad politics in Canada; a) it reminds Canadians of American politics, and b) most Canadians are secular. Harper's 'God Bless Canada' bit that he does after every speech is relatively harmless, because even Secular Canadians will agree with the sentiment.

- Harper's pledge to see the gay marriage issue brought into parliament again is a political necessity for him. He forged a new party out of two pre-existing parties in order to win an election against the never-ending rule of the Liberal party. He wasn't going to do it without at least the idea that a 'free vote' should be held in Parliament, so that MPs could 'vote their conscience' on the issue.

I believe the courts have already ruled that overturning same-sex marriage would be unconstitutional, so it's kind of a dead end;

Of course, if there was a big enough relgious movement in Canada, there is this little line at the very beginning of the Charter;
The bible belt if you can call it that is, I believe, small town British Columbia and Alberta. But not all Christians there are anti gay.
In the conservative party there was, formerly, a female member of parlement who was pro gay marriage.

The bible belt if you can call it that is, I believe, small town British Columbia and Alberta. But not all Christians there are anti gay.

Yeah, you cannot even call it that. As someone said before, the church organizations are more traditional, rather than being the militant-like youth driven revivalism seen in the state. Old folks, and Canadians in general, are content to live and let live.

And I'd hazard a guess that there is a higher percentage of chuch goers in saskatchewan and Manitoba... even rural Ontario.

Interesting. Indeed, BC and Alberta are second and third for people reporting NO religion.. after the yukon. The info is at the end of this link, but I quoted it as well

from stats canadas web site..
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/Products/Analytic/companion/rel/canada.cfm


About 37% of people in the Yukon reported they had no religion, the highest proportion among the provinces and territories. It was followed by British Columbia (35%) and Alberta (23%). In contrast, only 2% of the population of Newfoundland and Labrador reported no religion, the lowest, followed by Quebec (6%).


Here is a chart, showing slightly different numbers.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/11-008-XIE/2006001/charts/chart_2.htm

and about halfway down..

http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/11-008-XIE/2006001/tables/tab_4.htm

That's because the urban area of BC and Alberta are pretty secular, even though they may also be spiritual or religious. Abbotsford plus some Chillawack is most of BC's fundies.

The thing to remember about Canada is that one of the biggest Christian denominations here is the United Church of Canada. And it's pretty difficult to get much more liberal than the the United Church. One nickname for them is "the religious arm of the New Democratic Party". A number of our Anglican churches are pretty liberal too.

Religion does not automatically mean evangelical, fundamentalist, or conservative in Canada.