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Ok I am and an american and very greatfull to be one. As I know the hate towards my country. Though I know why many people have such strong feelings about us i understand. But when people say I want America to die or whatever are you talking about the people. I know that normal Americans have done nothing to you, You cant think that all americans are like bush...Just like you cant say all people from North Korea are like their fat leader. Come on everyone knows Americans work their buts off. Its the goverment to hate. They are only carring out a small radical ideas.

I wanted to know the veiw on us(Americans) or for you freaks Usains and also will the takeover of the senate and house and mybe a democratic prez in 08' change the world veiw on evil america like they say now.

You said you are 13. It is challenged, but legend says that Winston Churchill said: "anyone who isn't a liberal when they are 20 has no heart, and anyone who isn't a conservative when they are 40, has no brain."

You are at least thinking about issues at 13, which is admirable.

You are at an impressionable age. Depending upon where you are educated, you will have powerful influences seeking to shape your mind. In a public high school with union teachers they may be very liberal, pro-labor, large government. In a Christian High School they may be very conservative, closed to many ideas, and have extreme social positions. It can be very confusing until you get to college, where all your professors will be communists.

In an international forum such as this, you will get 400 flavors of government utopia and 900 flavors of foreign policy. It is important to reflect on the strengths that have made our country -- relatively minor in population and land mass -- the world's leader in most economic, technological and social measures.

Those strengths include a powerful libertarian sense against government legislating behavior, a committment to free markets, a belief in the democratic system, and an emphasis on personal responsibility and property rights. Americans are slow to anger and slow to take military action. This was shown in 1917, and 1939. This was also shown in Iraq, where we initially allowed Saddam to survive, and then waited 12 years and 19 ignored UN resolutions before finishing that war. Our vanquished enemies have been rebuilt with American resources and over time have become leading free societies like Japan, Italy and Germany. Iraq and Afghanistan are the only two democracies in the Middle East now. They may not be perfect, but at least they are pursuing the principles. The US doesn't go in and try to expand the United States. We want out as soon as the cancer is excised -- whether it be Hitler, Hirohito, Mussolini, Saddam or the Taliban.

Various American politicians may infringe on one or more of these principles for a time period, but almost inevitably the populace turns against those who go to far. Is Bush a jerk? Maybe, maybe not, he is just the guy du jour, he is not America. That is America - a seeming swirl of chaotic bad news viewed from afar, but the power of a tornado when viewed as a free society.

Lesser countries will snipe and gripe and say they "hate" us, and maybe they do. But in many cases that is a reflection on their own inadequacies and irrelevance and impotence, not on the US. Pick any foreign policy or economic issue and there will be a caterwauling of complaints from Europe and the Third World against the US no matter what road we take.

So be proud to be an American, and remember the principles that we were built on.

This is what TGs are for.

In an international forum such as this, you will get 400 flavors of government utopia and 900 flavors of foreign policy.
We're like Baskin Robbins, but with no taste!
*rimshot*

but legend says that Winston Churchill said: "anyone who isn't a liberal when they are 20 has no heart, and anyone who isn't a conservative when they are 40, has no brain."


Churchill spent his late 30's and his 40's as a member of the British Liberal party and spent his 20's as a member of the Conservatives :confused:

Churchill spent his late 30's and his 40's as a member of the British Liberal party and spent his 20's as a member of the Conservatives :confused:
Which just proves his statementk, as Winston Churchill was a robot, and therefore needed neither heart nor brain.

Which just proves his statementk, as Winston Churchill was a robot, and therefore needed neither heart nor brain.

:p

Which just proves his statementk, as Winston Churchill was a robot, and therefore needed neither heart nor brain.

No, he didn't need a heart. But he wanted one.

When a man's an empty kettle
He should be on his mettle
And yet I'm torn apart
Just because I'm presumin'
That I could be kind of human
If I only had a heart

Which just proves his statementk, as Winston Churchill was a robot, and therefore needed neither heart nor brain.

T3hFiddles=T3h win!

It can be very confusing until you get to college, where all your professors will be communists.

A fine exercise in autocritique.

A fine exercise in autocritique.

Apparently, you do not believe in adding a little sprinkle of hyperbole in your writing as too make it spicier and more palatable; you prefer a dull, insipid essay. However, this exaggeration was apt, as it illustrated an underlying problem with our educational system. Namely, a large majority of college professors are quite left-leaning. Obviously, not every last one is a communist; nobody could honestly insinuate such a thesis. Don't attempt to discredit an argument based on your lack of appreciation of embellishment in writing. Your statement, in fact, is an "auto-critique."

Apparently, you do not believe in adding a little sprinkle of hyperbole in your writing as too make it spicier and more palatable; you prefer a dull, insipid essay. However, this exaggeration was apt, as it illustrated an underlying problem with our educational system. Namely, a large majority of college professors are quite left-leaning. Obviously, not every last one is a communist; nobody could honestly insinuate such a thesis. Don't attempt to discredit an argument based on your lack of appreciation of embellishment in writing. Your statement, in fact, is an "auto-critique."

I think most people intelligent prefer facts in their essays and will find an essay on a subject they find interesting worth reading without having to have bits of fiction added to it.

Churchill spent his late 30's and his 40's as a member of the British Liberal party and spent his 20's as a member of the Conservatives :confused:

Churchill also didn't say it. I don't remember who, but I know it wasn't Churchill.

The quote is also wrong, but it sure sounds good.

...Americans are slow to anger and slow to take military action. This was shown in 1917, and 1939. This was also shown in Iraq, where we initially allowed Saddam to survive, and then waited 12 years and 19 ignored UN resolutions before finishing that war. Our vanquished enemies have been rebuilt with American resources and over time have become leading free societies like Japan, Italy and Germany. Iraq and Afghanistan are the only two democracies in the Middle East now...

Germany, Italy, and Japan were all self-created and self-united peoples. Iraq is not. It was carved out of an empire in an absurd way without regard to the locals. You also are wrong about them being the only two democracies in the Middle East. First off, there is not one democracy in the world. Secondly, Afghanistan is not in the Middle East. Thirdly, Israel and Lebanon are also republics, although Lebanon is sort of weak in such respect. And you're getting on some poor kid who is asking a simple question.

I think most people intelligent prefer facts in their essays and will find an essay on a subject they find interesting worth reading without having to have bits of fiction added to it.

Oh, lighten up Francis, it was a joke.

Oh, lighten up Francis, it was a joke.

T'wasn't aimed at you. It was aimed at the defender of bad writing.

Germany, Italy, and Japan were all self-created and self-united peoples. Iraq is not. It was carved out of an empire in an absurd way without regard to the locals. You also are wrong about them being the only two democracies in the Middle East. First off, there is not one democracy in the world. Secondly, Afghanistan is not in the Middle East. Thirdly, Israel and Lebanon are also republics, although Lebanon is sort of weak in such respect. And you're getting on some poor kid who is asking a simple question.

You're totally right and I'm totally wrong.

I feel like such an officious nit-picking prig. Thanks for straightening me out.

Iraq and Afghanistan are the only two democracies in the Middle East now.

Three, see Israel.

This is what TGs are for.

What does that mean?

Three, see Israel.

I meant to say "free democracies". I'm not sure an Arab in Israel is feeling real free.

I meant to say "free democracies". I'm not sure an Arab in Israel is feeling real free.
And a woman not wearing a burqua in Iraq or Afghanistan feels free? You don't think that the people of Afghanistan and Iraq feel the fear of constant threats by violent extremists?

Arab citizens in Israel are as free as anyone. They make up almost 20% of Israelis (not counting Palestine). One of them sits as a judge on Israel's Supreme Court.

. Americans are slow to anger and slow to take military action. This was shown in 1917, and 1939. This was also shown in Iraq, where we initially allowed Saddam to survive, and then waited 12 years and 19 ignored UN resolutions before finishing that war. Our vanquished enemies have been rebuilt with American resources and over time have become leading free societies like Japan, Italy and Germany. Iraq and Afghanistan are the only two democracies in the Middle East now. They may not be perfect, but at least they are pursuing the principles. The US doesn't go in and try to expand the United States. We want out as soon as the cancer is excised -- whether it be Hitler, Hirohito, Mussolini, Saddam or the Taliban.
Huh? " slow to take military action"? Compared to what? That statement is certainly wrong after the second world war.

relatively minor in population and land mass

I think the last estimates put the US as the second largest country in landmass and the third largest in population. We are nowhere near "minor", you need t ocheck your facts better- this is far from the only problem with your analysis, but its the first one to catch my eye.

[QUOTE=Ardee Street;11966189]And a woman not wearing a burqua in Iraq or Afghanistan feels free? You don't think that the people of Afghanistan and Iraq feel the fear of constant threats by violent extremists?
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Sure. Everytime I got to Harlem I feel the constant threats of violent extremists. But it isn't condoned by the government as in, say, Iran.

Sure. Everytime I got to Harlem I feel the constant threats of violent extremists. But it isn't condoned by the government as in, say, Iran.
And for what cause are these 'violent extremists' fighting, do you say?

And Iran? Sponsoring extremists?

They've got a bloody minor record of that compared to the US.

They've got a bloody minor record of that compared to the US.

Hey get it right: the CIA did it, not America. We Americans are innocent and pure people.

I think the last estimates put the US as the second largest country in landmass and the third largest in population. We are nowhere near "minor", you need t ocheck your facts better- this is far from the only problem with your analysis, but its the first one to catch my eye.

By minor I was referring to percentage of the world's population and world's land mass.

And we are third in landmass, not second. Behind Russia and Canada, just ahead of China and Brazil. In fact China is larger if you give them all the disputed territory they claim, which I suspect Nancy Pelosi will get around to on Monday.

While we are third in population behind China and India, those two countries combine for about 8 times the US population.

The US has about 4.6 percent of the world's population. 300 mill to about 6.6 billion.

Huh? " slow to take military action"? Compared to what? That statement is certainly wrong after the second world war.

He meant slow to take legal military action. And the only reason they didn't invade Iraq after the first Gulf war was because Bush Snr was intelligent enough to know that removing Saddam was likely to lead to regional instability across the Middle East, which is why the deserting Iraqis on the Basra road were slaughtered, to prevent them joining the uprising against Saddam.

And while the US is quick to rebuild its enemies, it wrung every penny out of its allies for the help it gave in WWII.

I don't dislike the US, but when bigots write tripe it deserves a response.

Huh? " slow to take military action"? Compared to what? That statement is certainly wrong after the second world war.

I don't agree. The Korean War started with the invasion of the South by the North. the US didn't have any combat units in SK, and the UN immediately voted for the defense of SK.

Vietnam, think what you will, was the invasion of our ally by the communist North. It certainly didn't start as a war of aggression by the US, and every troop advance ment was done grudgingly.

what else? Gulf War, Bosnia? All UN auspices where we supplied most of the muscle and blood.

He meant slow to take legal military action. And the only reason they didn't invade Iraq after the first Gulf war was because Bush Snr was intelligent enough to know that removing Saddam was likely to lead to regional instability across the Middle East, which is why the deserting Iraqis on the Basra road were slaughtered, to prevent them joining the uprising against Saddam.

ROFL

And while the US is quick to rebuild its enemies, it wrung every penny out of its allies for the help it gave in WWII.

And the Marshall Plan? More than $12 billion in 1948 dollars dispersed over a 3 year period. Was that a pyramid scheme too?

Sure. Everytime I got to Harlem I feel the constant threats of violent extremists. But it isn't condoned by the government as in, say, Iran.
Are you saying that (non-existent) violent bands of vigilantes that beat up Israel's 20% Arab population are condoned by the Israeli government?

What does that mean?
TG = Telegram. You know. For your nation, so people aren't having their inane discussions on the forums.

And the Marshall Plan? More than $12 billion in 1948 dollars dispersed over a 3 year period. Was that a pyramid scheme too?
What about almost all of Britain and France's gold for a paltry 11 months in the Western Theatre?

Worth a shitload more than your dollars.

What about almost all of Britain and France's gold for a paltry 11 months in the Western Theatre?

Worth a shitload more than your dollars.

The UK and France should ask the Federal Reserve and Switzerland for a refund.

The UK and France should ask the Federal Reserve and Switzerland for a refund.
What's that supposed to mean?

What's that supposed to mean?

That's where the gold is. I'm sure if asked nicely, they'd give back the difference. EDIT: Yes, it's a joke

TG = Telegram. You know. For your nation, so people aren't having their inane discussions on the forums.

lol...I'd hate to grade your 3000 posts to the inane standard.

lol...I'd hate to grade your 3000 posts to the inane standard.
lol...

Just you.