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Israel, having learned it's lesson about sending in air strikes to kill a handful of suicidal terrorist scumbags, is designing a robotic hornet that can pursue, photograph and kill individuals. I can't wait until this weapon is perfected. Then Israel can use it for targeted killings against it's enemies and not be condemned for collateral damage. I hope the US military also gets it's hands on similar weapons. It could revolutionize the way we fight insurgents and guerrillas.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyid=2006-11-17T082415Z_01_L1751091_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-WEAPONS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

I saw this in todays paper. How does it kill people? If it's that small, then presumably poison... it sounds like some kind of Mossad assassination device.

That is effective. Let's hope that in practice it can work.

If I were a terrorist, I'd love to get my hands on a weapon like that. Assassinating world leaders and causing chaos would be a cinch.
Or make a swarm of the buggers, and release them into a city. And if you make them look enough like regular insects, there's little people can do to defend themselves except avoid/exterminate all insects.

If I were a terrorist, I'd love to get my hands on a weapon like that. Assassinating world leaders and causing chaos would be a cinch.
Or make a swarm of the buggers, and release them into a city. And if you make them look enough like regular insects, there's little people can do to defend themselves except avoid/exterminate all insects.
Some people already hate certain types of bugs enough to kill them, so it would have to look 'harmless'.

If I were a terrorist, I'd love to get my hands on a weapon like that. Assassinating world leaders and causing chaos would be a cinch.
Or make a swarm of the buggers, and release them into a city. And if you make them look enough like regular insects, there's little people can do to defend themselves except avoid/exterminate all insects.

I think the idea is that it'll be so complicated, and so effective, that there wont be any Terrorists left, and even if there were, they couldn't use them.

I can't wait for Raid: Ant and Roach (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/RAID_ant_and_roach.jpg); Kills Robotic Bugs Dead.

I think the idea is that it'll be so complicated, and so effective, that there wont be any Terrorists left, and even if there were, they couldn't use them. That's ridiculous.

Israel, having learned it's lesson about sending in air strikes to kill a handful of suicidal terrorist scumbags, is designing a robotic hornet that can pursue, photograph and kill individuals. I can't wait until this weapon is perfected. Then Israel can use it for targeted killings against it's enemies and not be condemned for collateral damage. I hope the US military also gets it's hands on similar weapons. It could revolutionize the way we fight insurgents and guerrillas.


In principal, its a good idea for anti-guerilla tactics, but I do feel very worried about how it could be missused. I hope that Israel will be very, very careful with these things.

I for one welcome our new Bionic Hornet Overlords.

Israel, having learned it's lesson about sending in air strikes to kill a handful of suicidal terrorist scumbags, is designing a robotic hornet that can pursue, photograph and kill individuals. I can't wait until this weapon is perfected. Then Israel can use it for targeted killings against it's enemies and not be condemned for collateral damage. I hope the US military also gets it's hands on similar weapons. It could revolutionize the way we fight insurgents and guerrillas.I hope those you despise as "insurgents and guerrillas" get such weapons to retaliate against the intruders and occupiers. What enemies does Israel really have except those who want their land back?

Why won't countries learn that whenever we build robots they eventually turn on their masters and destroy them.

Look at Westworld, look at Terminator 1, 2 and 3. Sadly our leaders continue to ignore these important historical messages and place us all in danger yet again.

Still the Americans had the foresight to elect to power a man who has saved us from the machines not once but twice now, all hail our saviour Arnold Swartzenegger.

That is a genial idea. All the terrorists will be picked off, one by one, without ever knowing what hit them; they'd be powerless to defend themselves against their unseen foe. Also, they would be relatively inexpensive, allowing them to be produced in great numbers. Such a method would be excellent in conventional warfare, not to mention the US campaign in Iraq. Bravo, scientists; bravo.

Why won't countries learn that whenever we build robots they eventually turn on their masters and destroy them.

Look at Westworld, look at Terminator 1, 2 and 3. Sadly our leaders continue to ignore these important historical messages and place us all in danger yet again.

Still the Americans had the foresight to elect to power a man who has saved us from the machines not once but twice now, all hail our saviour Arnold Swartzenegger.

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I hope those you despise as "insurgents and guerrillas" get such weapons to retaliate against the intruders and occupiers. What enemies does Israel really have except those who want their land back?

The existence of Israel is a fact of life. It's not going anywhere. All involved should find a way to coexist in peace, because fighting will never solve this issue. Anyone who encourages further violence will only end up getting more civilians killed. Welcome to the real world. Enjoy your stay with us.

The existence of Israel is a fact of life. It's not going anywhere. All involved should find a way to coexist in peace, because fighting will never solve this issue. Anyone who encourages further violence will only end up getting more civilians killed. Welcome to the real world. Enjoy your stay with us.All involved? Israel has never sought a way to coexist peacefully. One day someone will punish this bunch of self-styled "chosen people".

All involved? Israel has never sought a way to coexist peacefully. One day someone will punish this bunch of self-styled "chosen people".

Are you a US citizen? If so you had better give your house away to a nice Native American family or you're a hypocrite.

Israel withdrew from Gaza and had planned to dismantle some of their West Bank settlements under Olmert. What happens? The Palestinians under Hamas decide to kidnap an Israeli soldier and start launching rockets at Israeli towns. The Palestinians aren't blameless. They aren't exactly peaceful. Israel will defend itself when attacked. I'm glad that they're developing a way to punish those who try to kill their civilians while sparing the enemy's civilians. It's a mark of civilization that the Palestinians should strive for.

That is a genial idea. All the terrorists will be picked off, one by one, without ever knowing what hit them; they'd be powerless to defend themselves against their unseen foe. Also, they would be relatively inexpensive, allowing them to be produced in great numbers. Such a method would be excellent in conventional warfare, not to mention the US campaign in Iraq. Bravo, scientists; bravo.

Bravo until these tiny, difficult to trace weapons are distributed by the USA to terrorists to fight one of their enemies.

I for one welcome our new Bionic Hornet Overlords.

So do I.

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Are you a US citizen? If so you had better give your house away to a nice Native American family or you're a hypocrite.

Israel withdrew from Gaza and had planned to dismantle some of their West Bank settlements under Olmert. What happens? The Palestinians under Hamas decide to kidnap an Israeli soldier and start launching rockets at Israeli towns. The Palestinians aren't blameless. They aren't exactly peaceful. Israel will defend itself when attacked. I'm glad that they're developing a way to punish those who try to kill their civilians while sparing the enemy's civilians. It's a mark of civilization that the Palestinians should strive for.I am not a US citizen. Otherwise I would indeed be a hypocrite, but wait, US citizens are all for Israel, no matter how wrong they do.
The Gaza withdrawal is only giving up what was uncontrolable anyway and diverting attention from further setup of settlements in the West Bank. And what about the fence to keep Palestinians from traveling in their own land? Israel isn't exactly peaceful. Arabs will defend themselves when attacked. A mark of civilization would be to punish those who create a state in a land that is not theirs. If the Jews created a state in Palestine almost 60 years ago they can surely create a new state elsewhere where no people are already living. Or why don't they just go to a place in the US where they are loved so much?

I am not a US citizen. Otherwise I would indeed be a hypocrite, but wait, US citizens are all for Israel, no matter how wrong they do.
The Gaza withdrawal is only giving up what was uncontrolable anyway and diverting attention from further setup of settlements in the West Bank. And what about the fence to keep Palestinians from traveling in their own land? Israel isn't exactly peaceful. Arabs will defend themselves when attacked. A mark of civilization would be to punish those who create a state in a land that is not theirs. If the Jews created a state in Palestine almost 60 years ago they can surely create a new state elsewhere where no people are already living. Or why don't they just go to a place in the US where they are loved so much?

Personally I'd love to have them here, but they've built cities, airports, sea ports, and factories over there. Nothing can force them out. The only course of action that will bring peace is to accept that both Israel and a viable Palestinian state have a right to exist. Further conflict will resolve nothing and only end up killing more civilians. Unfortunately so many people, like you for example, just can't seem to face up to reality.

This seems rather stupid to me.

This seems rather stupid to me.

Why? They've been developing insect sized recon robots for years, this is just the logical progression.

On the one hand, I probably won't lose any sleep at night if one of those things was used to track Bin Laden in his hideaway in Pakistan and knock him off.

On the other hand, who's to know it won't be misused? The Mossad is pretty secretive, someone in there could go rogue and use it to look at girls in the shower (those Israeli women look good, especially in the shower :)), stalk their ex-girlfriends, overbearing superiors, visiting celebrities, etc., or even kill a personal enemy.

Also, we don't know what's in that poison, or what the symptoms of the poisoning are. Could the claims that the Mossad poisoned Yasser Arafat be true? We don't know how long those things were in use before they became public.

i'm much more worried about the definition of "terrorist"... i mean the americans will inevitably get the stuff anyways so when do muslims stop being terrorists and instead say... "internal enemies of the people"... i dunno... left wingers and such

[intentional slippery slope but you get the idea:P]

Once a weapon like this is developed it will eventually fall into the wrong hands.
Imagine how simple it would be for our enemies to kill politicians, our soldiers and civilians with a weapon of this kind.
Of course this is not going to prevent these types of weapons from being built but we should be prepared for their misuse.

Israel, having learned it's lesson about sending in air strikes to kill a handful of suicidal terrorist scumbags, is designing a robotic hornet that can pursue, photograph and kill individuals. I can't wait until this weapon is perfected. Then Israel can use it for targeted killings against it's enemies and not be condemned for collateral damage. I hope the US military also gets it's hands on similar weapons. It could revolutionize the way we fight insurgents and guerrillas.


No Arab school child will hop-scotch safely - the IDF stike again! The light of freedom shines on!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!


What will the snipers do for sport now though? Under 13's soccer?

Why? They've been developing insect sized recon robots for years, this is just the logical progression.

I find anything the Israelis develop to continue the deaths of Muslims to be rather stupid.

I find anything the Israelis develop to continue the deaths of Muslims to be rather stupid.

those damned israelis, why can't they just lay down and die for their rightful muslim overlords like good jews should, right?

Bravo until these tiny, difficult to trace weapons are distributed by the USA to terrorists to fight one of their enemies.

That is an unrealistic scenario; the terrorists are too primitive technologically to be capable of developing such complex enemies. If you are suggesting that the US would distribute destructive arms to terrorists, then you are quite mistaken -- last time I checked, we were in a warring against terrorism, not with Osama as an ally.

That is an unrealistic scenario; the terrorists are too primitive technologically to be capable of developing such complex enemies. If you are suggesting that the US would distribute destructive arms to terrorists, then you are quite mistaken -- last time I checked, we were in a warring against terrorism, not with Osama as an ally.

And 20 years ago Osama was an ally and you gave him arms and money freely. The US does have a history of arming terrorists as well, it just tends to be terrorists fighting other countries that the US doesn't like at the time. Terrorism is a very subjective term.

That is an unrealistic scenario; the terrorists are too primitive technologically to be capable of developing such complex enemies. If you are suggesting that the US would distribute destructive arms to terrorists, then you are quite mistaken -- last time I checked, we were in a warring against terrorism, not with Osama as an ally.

we seemed to like him just fine when his band of merry men were fighting the soviets.

The US has a long history of being remarkably short sighted in supporting dictators who later turn on them....saddam and osama being two quite real examples.

And 20 years ago Osama was an ally and you gave him arms and money freely.

Times change and policies change. The Cold War is now over; we do not need to resort to funding resistance movements to deter imperialistic actions by another country. Now, our focus is on thwarting international terrorism; the thought of funding any type of "terrorist" group would not even cross our mind in these modern times. We cannot get so hung up on past actions that we lose sight of the present; the US has not funded any groups which could even remotely be classified as "terrorist" since the fall of the Soviet Union.

the thought of funding any type of "terrorist" group would not even cross our mind in these modern times.

*cough* Saudi Arabia is our ally *cough* so is pakistan *cough*

*cough* Saudi Arabia is our ally *cough* so is pakistan *cough*

They are states, not terrorist entities. While they have some "medieval" policies, they are certainly not plotting the destruction of the US or any other country.

They are states, not terrorist entities. While their have some "medieval" policies, they are certainly not plotting the destruction of the US or any other country.

Iran is close to getting a bomb because of Pakistan. North Korea got technology from Pakistan too. Pakistan has used terrorist organizations to attack and Harass India. Saudi Arabia funds madrassas all over the world, including her in the USA that teach that the Jews are "apes and pigs" and that preach hatred of everyone who's not Muslim.

They are states, not terrorist entities. While they have some "medieval" policies, they are certainly not plotting the destruction of the US or any other country.

Yet you supported the invasion of Iraq as part of the 'war on terror'? That was a soveriegn state and not a terrorist organisation.

They are states.

So is Iraq, which you have supported the invasion of in your "war on terror". Either nations can support terrorism, in which case supporting those nations results in supporting a regime that gives aid and comfort to terrorists, in which case my argument is valid, OR they can't, in which case why were we in Iraq?

How much do they cost? ;)

I for one welcome our new Bionic Hornet Overlords.
What if they evolved sociality? :eek:
Wow, the possibilities for science fiction are just endless.

And on a non-spammy note, this is ludicrous: "Other (weapons) include super gloves that would give the user the strength of a "bionic man" and miniature sensors to detect suicide bombers." How the deuce would a miniature sensor detect a suicide bomber? Would it 'smell' the explosives? Then you get people implanting the bombs into their own bodies!

Also, I like the introduction that they pursue, photograph, and then kill. Is that like a "photograph first, shoot second, and ask questions later" approach?

*cough* Saudi Arabia is our ally *cough* so is pakistan *cough*
you should do something about that nasty cough before Dr. CIA cures you.

Yet you supported the invasion of Iraq as part of the 'war on terror'? That was a soveriegn state and not a terrorist organisation.

No. It simply funded terrorists. You'll note that while we may give aid to Saudi Arabia, we do not give them military secrets.

No. It simply funded terrorists. You'll note that while we may give aid to Saudi Arabia, we do not give them military secrets.

No it didn't but we'll leave that aside for a while.

Saudia Arabia funds terrorists, as does Pakistan so what is the difference?

In return for the Saudis keeping our oil prices stable we let them send money to groups that kill us.

Typical Yankee trading .:p

Saudia Arabia funds terrorists, as does Pakistan so what is the difference?

There are a plethora of differences. For example, funding terrorists may be necessary but not sufficient to warrant an invasion. Do you have any proof that Saudi Arabia funds terrorists, though?

I for one welcome our new Bionic Hornet Overlords.
Indeed. ;)

Yeah, really, this is bad idea for four reasons.
1. A terroist themselves will eventually get thier hands on this and use it with an even more devastating effect than th Gov.
2. This is a weapon that allows a government to REALLY control the populace how they see fit. Sue the Isrealis may use it benevolently hunting down hezbollah, but whats to stop other nations getting it (and they will example nuclear weapons) and using it agaisnt the people of thier nation, and the people can't even fight back with guerrilla tactics anymore. Can you imagen what China, or N. Korea would do to its people with these things. I would esspecaily NOT trust the US gov. with it. I can't think of a better way to hold a civilian populace hostage. It seems more like a weapon of mass terrorism.
3. Then theres the paranoid side of me thats watched Terminater to many times. What happens if these machines some how malfuction and do start attacking people randomly, or some dumbass in the future puts AI in one and all that happy crap.
4. Will they really be that effective? If the guerrilas dig a tunnel system thats completley enclosed underground with air vents that are hidden and or secured them good metal mesh filters, then these things will have no effect. an EMP weapon would also disable them all.

That is an unrealistic scenario; the terrorists are too primitive technologically to be capable of developing such complex enemies. If you are suggesting that the US would distribute destructive arms to terrorists, then you are quite mistaken -- last time I checked, we were in a warring against terrorism, not with Osama as an ally.

Yeah, just forget about all the weapons we sold to Saddam Hussien, ya know :fluffle:

I am not a US citizen. Otherwise I would indeed be a hypocrite, but wait, US citizens are all for Israel, no matter how wrong they do.
The Gaza withdrawal is only giving up what was uncontrolable anyway and diverting attention from further setup of settlements in the West Bank. And what about the fence to keep Palestinians from traveling in their own land? Israel isn't exactly peaceful. Arabs will defend themselves when attacked. A mark of civilization would be to punish those who create a state in a land that is not theirs. If the Jews created a state in Palestine almost 60 years ago they can surely create a new state elsewhere where no people are already living. Or why don't they just go to a place in the US where they are loved so much?
Except for the fact that there were already jews living there to begin with as well. On their legally owned land. Just not so many of them or so much and without a government.

So much for that theory. :rolleyes:

More sophistamacated weapons, great!

Times change and policies change. The Cold War is now over; we do not need to resort to funding resistance movements to deter imperialistic actions by another country. Now, our focus is on thwarting international terrorism; the thought of funding any type of "terrorist" group would not even cross our mind in these modern times. We cannot get so hung up on past actions that we lose sight of the present; the US has not funded any groups which could even remotely be classified as "terrorist" since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Iran Contra Affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair)
The Contra's were indeed a terrorist organization which we funded to wage an illegal war against a democratically elected government.

Iran Contra Affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair)
The Contra's were indeed a terrorist organization which we funded to wage an illegal war against a democratically elected government.

No...that was before the fall of the Soviet Union.

Except for the fact that there were already jews living there to begin with as well. On their legally owned land. Just not so many of them or so much and without a government.


How much land though? Roughly......

This seems rather stupid to me.

Why? Because you plan on joining Hezbollah and don't want this to kill you?

BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A HEZBOLLAH MEMBER!!!111.

Don't be an ass.

Why? Because you plan on joining Hezbollah and don't want this to kill you?

I explained why this stupid earlier in the thread. And why would I join Hezbollah? while I have nothing against them and I'm happy they were victorious against the Israeli aggression, I am neither Lebonanese nor Shi'ia.

BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A HEZBOLLAH MEMBER!!!111.

Don't be an ass.

Read Soviestan's posts. He is a proud anti-semite and supports Hezbollah.