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... apparently humans start off female, and at a certain amount old (before they are born), develop nipples - it's only AFTER they've developed nipples that it's "decided" what gender they will be born as. So if this is the case, then, as I don't feel any particular sexual pleasure and certainly don't feel violated if someone touches my nipples without my consent, why then do women feel so bad about it? Does it really feel majorly different, and if so, why - aren't breasts essentially the same except for a bit more skin and some milk?

... apparently humans start off female, and at a certain amount old (before they are born), develop nipples - it's only AFTER they've developed nipples that it's "decided" what gender they will be born as. So if this is the case, then, as I don't feel any particular sexual pleasure and certainly don't feel violated if someone touches my nipples without my consent, why then do women feel so bad about it? Does it really feel majorly different, and if so, why - aren't breasts essentially the same except for a bit more skin and some milk?

No, they're quite different. Women's nipples have something like fifteen times the number of nerve endings in them - about the same number as in the more sensitive parts of your penis. Understand now?

... apparently humans start off female, and at a certain amount old (before they are born), develop nipples - it's only AFTER they've developed nipples that it's "decided" what gender they will be born as. So if this is the case, then, as I don't feel any particular sexual pleasure and certainly don't feel violated if someone touches my nipples without my consent, why then do women feel so bad about it? Does it really feel majorly different, and if so, why - aren't breasts essentially the same except for a bit more skin and some milk?

Nearly right, a baby starts off genderless and developes some of the characteristics of both sexes. For example - like you said men develop nipples and women, well what do you think the clitoris is, thats right, a tiny penis!

It's not biological as it is social.

Breasts are considered as 'sexual' organs (despite their natural function of providing nutrition) associated more with genitlia than any other part of the body.

As for why non-consential hand-genitalia contact is taboo, thats another story....

Does it really feel majorly different,How am I supposed to know?! Maybe if I get a spare body I'll make it male and check...

why then do women feel so bad about it?#1 reason is INTENT. A groper is intentionally showing disrespect and causing violation. I'd say 75% or more of the bad reaction is because of that.

And yes, the female nipples are quite sensitive to someone else's touch. It doesn't seem to do anything when I touch them myself, though, not like...other areas...at all, in that regard, at least not for me.

if so, why - aren't breasts essentially the same except for a bit more skin and some milk?I can only guess as to why. I'd figure there must be more and/or different nerve endings in female nipples. Maybe it's an adaptation that developed to cause women to allow their babies to suckle more, and the side-effects are just incidental.

Nearly right, a baby starts off genderless and developes some of the characteristics of both sexes.

Guys, sit down first before you read the next line.

You have a vagina!

Don't panick, you won't wake up tomorrow minus your weapon and ammo pouches. It's a embryological throwback and recedes with age. Its only a small space between your bladder and some other organ.

Nearly right, a baby starts off genderless and developes some of the characteristics of both sexes. For example - like you said men develop nipples and women, well what do you think the clitoris is, thats right, a tiny penis!
Nah, a penis is an enlarged clitoris.

No, they're quite different. Women's nipples have something like fifteen times the number of nerve endings in them - about the same number as in the more sensitive parts of your penis. Understand now?

If that's true, then yep :)

Tis all I wanted to know. Sorta.

Guys, sit down first before you read the next line.

You have a vagina!

Don't panick, you won't wake up tomorrow minus your weapon and ammo pouches. It's a embryological throwback and recedes with age. Its only a small space between your bladder and some other organ.

WHAT?! :eek:

...this makes me...happy...

Nah, a penis is an enlarged clitoris.

Really? Damn, I've been misinformed, and I liked freaking people out with that fact.

Really? Damn, I've been misinformed, and I liked freaking people out with that fact.
LOL, it's semantic either way.

All humans follow the same life plan till a certain point, and it is considered males who 'alter' to become males while females are considered as carrying on the along the initial plan (I think this has to do with a male developmental trajectory being activated/triggered by particular hormones). So if males alter, then everyone starts with what females have. So it follows that, if anything, males have altered versions of female anatomy rather than the other way around.

Guys, sit down first before you read the next line.

You have a vagina!

Don't panick, you won't wake up tomorrow minus your weapon and ammo pouches. It's a embryological throwback and recedes with age. Its only a small space between your bladder and some other organ.
And women have a mini-penis.:)

And women have a mini-penis.:)

Nah, a penis is an enlarged clitoris.

Apparently not, but its all semantics so its more fun if you say its true.

Nearly right, a baby starts off genderless and developes some of the characteristics of both sexes. For example - like you said men develop nipples and women, well what do you think the clitoris is, thats right, a tiny penis!

What? So woman urinate from their clitoris?

Apparently not, but its all semantics so its more fun if you say its true.
Penis is of more use anyways.

The Clitoris, natures Rubix Cube.:p

What? So woman urinate from their clitoris?
LOL, that is sigable!
'fraied not.

What? So woman urinate from their clitoris?
I expect the bladder is a more likely culprit.;)

. So if this is the case, then, as I don't feel any particular sexual pleasure and certainly don't feel violated if someone touches my nipples without my consent, why then do women feel so bad about it?

More to the point, why are you going around touching people anywhere without their consent?

Really? Damn, I've been misinformed, and I liked freaking people out with that fact.

I think you can still freak people out with the revised information too.

I am not sure how muh I buy the male/female thing - to me the child starts out with an Y chromozone or not and hence is Male or Female respectively.


As to the topic - I am male - but if anyone, male or female, touches my body in a way I do not like/want and without my permission then I will be pissed.

If they continue with their actions after I inform them I don't want them to be doing this then they can expect a very physical response to their assult on my person.

I think you can still freak people out with the revised information too.

I am not sure how muh I buy the male/female thing - to me the child starts out with an Y chromozone or not and hence is Male or Female respectively.


As to the topic - I am male - but if anyone, male or female, touches my body in a way I do not like/want and without my permission then I will be pissed.

If they continue with their actions after I inform them I don't want them to be doing this then they can expect a very physical response to their assult on my person.
Adam was male, therefore...

I am the same way, if you want to play with Harlesburg you have to play nicely and follow the rules.



The Breasts are regarded as a no go area because Victorian England said so.
It just isn't proper.
Decorum people, Decorum.;)

You know, weren't we talking about putting clitorises underneath a woman's nipples in some other thread about breasts? Wouldn't that mean they'd have mini-penis breasts?

More to the point, why are you going around touching people anywhere without their consent?


Have you read any of my other posts? I'm not doing that, and I don't condone it either

Have you read any of my other posts? I'm not doing that, and I don't condone it either

Then why do you want to know?

Any woman who wants you to touch her breasts isn't going to complain about it. Any woman who doesn't want you to do so has no reason to explain herself. How is this not, therefore, a completely pointless question?

I am not sure how muh I buy the male/female thing - to me the child starts out with an Y chromozone or not and hence is Male or Female respectively.

Ouch, so to you, the genotype is the only discriminating factor?
So, for example, an XY female is male because of the Y chromosome?
Pretty classical view, but may need some updating... ;)

Ouch, so to you, the genotype is the only discriminating factor?
So, for example, an XY female is male because of the Y chromosome?
Pretty classical view, but may need some updating... ;)

Yeah, I was intrigued about that post too, and dont forget the XX males. It can happen!

XY females? XX males?

*non-scientific head spins*

wha...?

XY females? XX males?

*non-scientific head spins*

wha...?

The sex chromosomes in humans are either XX (Female) or XY (Male). However, the chromosomes only define what sort of hormones (chemical control signals) our bodies are SUPPOSED to produce, and which are the things that change our body shapes and genital designs.

Sometimes our bodies get confused and either produce too much or too little of the appropriate hormones. So you get individuals that look like women but have XY chromosomes or that look like men but have XX chromosomes. Its a problem because the afflicted individual almost always cannot perform their reproductive functions, and may have other hormonal abnormalities and conditions.

XY females? XX males?

*non-scientific head spins*

wha...?

Dont worry man, I've got a head for nearly useless bit of information. I'm pretty sure I caught 5 minutes of a science program explaining this once so here goes: XY females can occur when the baby is immune to testosterone (which triggers the male developement) and so defaults to female. But this female is infertile.

XX males can occur, I think, when one of the X genes is defective and starts acting like a Y.

That's disturbingly unfortunate...

I know of a certain disease that causes a child to have XXY chromosomes as well now that I think about it. I had to do a report once...

Ouch, so to you, the genotype is the only discriminating factor?
So, for example, an XY female is male because of the Y chromosome?
Pretty classical view, but may need some updating... ;)

Out of curiosity - Are XY females born with a womb and vagina? And are XX males born with no womb and a penis and testicles?

I have heard of XXY males though, and -Y males and -X females - in all those cases the Y seems to be the common difference between males and females.

Out of curiosity - Are XY females born with a womb and vagina? And are XX males born with no womb and a penis and testicles?

I have heard of XXY males though, and -Y males and -X females - in all those cases the Y seems to be the common difference between males and females.

That's generally true. Chromosomal mixups (lacking or adding a sex chromosome) are actually more common than hormonal errors, but are also much more likely to be lethal pre-birth - so most of those who survive to have it diagnosed are hormonal errors.

Most XY females and XX males are apparently normal members of their (incorrect) sex until puberty, though XY females usually lack a womb; that usually isn't noticed until they go for their first gynecological exam, though, and THAT generally isn't until their first period - which they never get. Since they have the wrong sex organs, they don't enter puberty normally, and unless they get hormone replacement therapy, would stay in a pre-pubescent state their whole lives.

There are exceptions, though. Every now and then the condition isn't discovered until well into adulthood - to the shock of both the afflicted and their spouse!

That's generally true. Chromosomal mixups (lacking or adding a sex chromosome) are actually more common than hormonal errors, but are also much more likely to be lethal pre-birth - so most of those who survive to have it diagnosed are hormonal errors.

Most XY females and XX males are apparently normal members of their (incorrect) sex until puberty, though XY females usually lack a womb; that usually isn't noticed until they go for their first gynecological exam, though, and THAT generally isn't until their first period - which they never get. Since they have the wrong sex organs, they don't enter puberty normally, and unless they get hormone replacement therapy, would stay in a pre-pubescent state their whole lives.

There are exceptions, though. Every now and then the condition isn't discovered until well into adulthood - to the shock of both the afflicted and their spouse!

So they don't have the sex organs of their 'correct' gender?

What I mean to clarify - Does an XY female have a penis and testicles or does she have a Vagina but no womb? Ditto XX males.

How common is this?

I'm not entirely sure but if I remember the biology classes correctly, then it's like this:
the normal state - XX(Normal Female) / XY(Normal Male)... (It's possible that it can get a little bit complicated with certain anomalies both in the secondary sexual characteristics and even in primary sexual characteristics, but most of the time this is true)
the "super" state - XXX("Super" Female) / XYY("Super" Male)... They tend to have excess hormone production of the specified gender (For example "Super" Males tend to be more aggressive due to excess testosterone, etc.)... I'm quite sure they are infertile
the "unidentified" state - XXY... This can be either a male or a female... or both... regarding primary sexual characteristics that is... The secondary sexual characteristics can be quite mixed (but don't have to)... It depends on lots of factors... They tend to produce more male hormones (testosterones) than a normal female and more female hormones (estrogens, progesterons) then a normal male... These should be infertile too

It's hard to call anyone with this cluster of biological oddities "average" - in many ways every case is unique. But on average, a XX Male will have a penis, scrotum and non-functional testicles. The average XY female will have regular external female genitalia (labiae, clitoris, urethra all in the correct places) but either lack or have a non-functional womb, and no ovaries. She may actually have internal testicles - when detected, these need to be removed due to their high likelihood of turning cancerous.

Basically, a standard external examination of the afflicted person will provide NO clue to their true (chromosomal) gender.

I'm unsure as to the frequency of this sort of thing; the term "one in ten thousand" is bouncing around my brain, but I don't know where I got it from.

... apparently humans start off female, and at a certain amount old (before they are born), develop nipples - it's only AFTER they've developed nipples that it's "decided" what gender they will be born as. So if this is the case, then, as I don't feel any particular sexual pleasure and certainly don't feel violated if someone touches my nipples without my consent, why then do women feel so bad about it? Does it really feel majorly different, and if so, why - aren't breasts essentially the same except for a bit more skin and some milk?
I feel bad when somebody gropes my body without my consent. Seeing as how my breasts are a part of my body, they fit under this general heading.

As to why breasts are viewed differently than other body parts, are you honestly that clueless? Are you really prepared to just ignore all the social structure and interpersonal interactions experienced by human beings? Is a tiny little thing like "the pervasive culture that surrounds us throughout our lives" really escaping you? Come on.

We are TAUGHT to view boobs as different from other body parts. We are taught to fetishize boobies. We are taught that boobies are naughty bits. Boobies must be covered, while the male nipple may be bared at will. Boobies are for SEX SEX SEX, and sex is dirty naughty bad sin!

"XY females can occur when the baby is immune to testosterone (which triggers the male developement) and so defaults to female. But this female is infertile." - Kazistan



Yeah I was watching a programme on this (well it was House but meh) and apparently having an immunity to testosterone gives the XY female the ideal all-feminine look, cos they dont get any male characteristics due to their immunity, and therefore the perfect woman is in fact a man lol. Would that be true or just dramatic license?

Yeah I was watching a programme on this (well it was House but meh) and apparently having an immunity to testosterone gives the XY female the ideal all-feminine look, cos they dont get any male characteristics due to their immunity, and therefore the perfect woman is in fact a man lol. Would that be true or just dramatic license?

That there be true. Testosterone is the hormonal giver of the male characteristics. No testosterone= no male characteristics=ideal-looking yet supposedly infertile (I'm not sure about the latter) female

And I saw that episode...

So basically all the attractive women are men? :p

That episode was disturbing!

In the whole XYZ-and-more discussion, let's not forget that the genotype (X/Y) and phenotype (appearance and bodily functions) are only two of the classifications, and both of them have more than the 2 choices some people would like them to have.

Phenotype can even change, usually during puberty, in any direction. There is also a group of people who cannot be reliably classified as either male or female. Both these groups are generally forced by "society" to choose one gender, because "society" can't handle more flexibility, and, well, your average administrative system simply doesn't have more options...

And then there's the sociotype (view of oneself in relation to society), that causes the more noticeable transgender issues...

In the whole XYZ-and-more discussion, let's not forget that the genotype (X/Y) and phenotype (appearance and bodily functions) are only two of the classifications, and both of them have more than the 2 choices some people would like them to have.

Phenotype can even change, usually during puberty, in any direction. There is also a group of people who cannot be reliably classified as either male or female. Both these groups are generally forced by "society" to choose one gender, because "society" can't handle more flexibility, and, well, your average administrative system simply doesn't have more options...

And then there's the sociotype (view of oneself in relation to society), that causes the more noticeable transgender issues...

Sure, and personally I think it's great that society is becoming more tolerant of people's alternate sexual identities. But biologically, genotype and phenotype are the only identifiers that matter.

Sure, and personally I think it's great that society is becoming more tolerant of people's alternate sexual identities. But biologically, genotype and phenotype are the only identifiers that matter.

True in a strictly scientific sence, but the two aren't necessarily determining someones sexual "identity", they are just the most important parameters that are used in the possible formation of an identity.
And since phenotype can be changed artificially, generally done by people whose phenotype doesn't match hiserits sociotype, the biological state may become irrelevant, meaning that you can't always classify a human unambiguously by the biological parameters heshit displays...

Then why do you want to know?

Any woman who wants you to touch her breasts isn't going to complain about it. Any woman who doesn't want you to do so has no reason to explain herself. How is this not, therefore, a completely pointless question?

Did I imply it had a point? :)

I feel bad when somebody gropes my body without my consent. Seeing as how my breasts are a part of my body, they fit under this general heading.

As to why breasts are viewed differently than other body parts, are you honestly that clueless? Are you really prepared to just ignore all the social structure and interpersonal interactions experienced by human beings? Is a tiny little thing like "the pervasive culture that surrounds us throughout our lives" really escaping you? Come on.

We are TAUGHT to view boobs as different from other body parts. We are taught to fetishize boobies. We are taught that boobies are naughty bits. Boobies must be covered, while the male nipple may be bared at will. Boobies are for SEX SEX SEX, and sex is dirty naughty bad sin!

I was typing in response to THE FEELING, not society. My question has been answered. The answer to my question also answers the question as to why, in a prudish society, men should be allowed to expose their nipples but not women, except when breastfeeding which is obviously necessary

I was typing in response to THE FEELING, not society.

Again, I've got to just say "Come on."

The FEELING is not existing in a vaccuum. How we feel about our bodies is influenced by what we experience throughout our lives, and this includes our societal context. Your OP had this tone of, "Golly, I wonder what those crazy womenfolks feel about their boobies? Why on Earth might they feel bad when their boobies are touched against their wishes?"

The next time you find yourself asking why women might feel a certain way, just ungender the question and save yourself a lot of time. Why might a person feel bad when particular body parts are touched, but not others? Perhaps their society places certain significance on certain parts or certain kinds of touching. Perhaps they have been reared to believe that certain body parts are shameful, or private, or something like that. Use your head.

Again, I've got to just say "Come on."

The FEELING is not existing in a vaccuum. How we feel about our bodies is influenced by what we experience throughout our lives, and this includes our societal context. Your OP had this tone of, "Golly, I wonder what those crazy womenfolks feel about their boobies? Why on Earth might they feel bad when their boobies are touched against their wishes?"

The next time you find yourself asking why women might feel a certain way, just ungender the question and save yourself a lot of time. Why might a person feel bad when particular body parts are touched, but not others? Perhaps their society places certain significance on certain parts or certain kinds of touching. Perhaps they have been reared to believe that certain body parts are shameful, or private, or something like that. Use your head.

I did. I would feel bad if someone touched my penis without my consent, because of how it feels (my penis is a very sexual area), not because of society If you really think that any time someone feels bad about any sexual assault it's only because of society, then it's you who needs to improve your thinking ability.

How would you feel in the gym if some guy made a grab for your nipple in the showers?

How would you feel in the gym if some guy made a grab for your nipple in the showers?

Considering the next step is invariably twisting, I'd feel pain.

transgendered activists say that your gender isnt determined by what genitilia you have but what your brain tells you your gender is?!:confused:

... apparently humans start off female, and at a certain amount old (before they are born), develop nipples - it's only AFTER they've developed nipples that it's "decided" what gender they will be born as. So if this is the case, then, as I don't feel any particular sexual pleasure and certainly don't feel violated if someone touches my nipples without my consent, why then do women feel so bad about it? Does it really feel majorly different, and if so, why - aren't breasts essentially the same except for a bit more skin and some milk?I dunno about you, but when other people touch my nipples, it tickles. There are also men who get a sexual stimulation from it.

transgendered activists say that your gender isnt determined by what genitilia you have but what your brain tells you your gender is?!Yes, that's true.
Personally, I'm not sure why someone would want to define themselves by their genitalia, anyway, but that's just me.

The next time you find yourself asking why women might feel a certain way, just ungender the question and save yourself a lot of time. Why might a person feel bad when particular body parts are touched, but not others? Perhaps their society places certain significance on certain parts or certain kinds of touching. Perhaps they have been reared to believe that certain body parts are shameful, or private, or something like that. Use your head.
Do you think that women get more of a kick out of their nipples being touched than men do because of biology, or culture?

. So if this is the case, then, as I don't feel any particular sexual pleasure and certainly don't feel violated if someone touches my nipples without my consent, why then do women feel so bad about it?
Well, you're lucky (or unlucky as the case may be) then.
I'm a bloke and have very sensitive nipples. I HAVE to sleep with at least a sheet on, no matter how hot. Otherwise I can't sleep due to the air circulating around my nips, which bothers the hell out of me.
I also really enjoy having my g/f lick them when we have sex.

can i touch your breasts?

just some random facts from the book "genetics in medicine":

XX males and XY females occur in approximately 1 in 20,000 births. XX males are phenotypic males with an X chromosome that posses some Y chromosomal sequences. XY females are phenotypic females with an Y chromosome that posses some X chromosomal sequences.

a person with a XXY genotype has 'Klinefelter syndrome'. people who have this are tall and thin with relatively long legs. they look normal until puberty, wich occurs at normal age. the testes remain small and secundary charcteristics remain underdeveloped. patients are almost always infertile. (1 in 1000 male live births)

a XYY man cannot be distinguished from 'normal' men, but do have a higher risk of attention deficits, hyperactivity and impulsiveness. (but not of aggression) (1 in 1000 male live births)

XXX females are a little bit larger than most females, but there are no other differences. exept for a significant deficit in performance on IQ testsn and bout 70% have learning problems. abnormal behaviour is apparent, especially during early adulthood. (1 in 1000 female live births)

A lot of the upset comes from the fact that it's a very sensitive area, and the rest because of the message the groper is transmitting: "I OWN you, I have the right to touch you whether you like it or not. You are not a person, you do not have the right to your own body, I have the right to gratify myself whenever I want."

the message the groper is transmitting: "I OWN you, I have the right to touch you whether you like it or not. You are not a person, you do not have the right to your own body, I have the right to gratify myself whenever I want."

isn't that always the motivation of rapist instead of sex?

so if you are a xx and come out normally but one day say... i am a girl cause my brains tells me i am then does that mean you are a girl or are you a boy?!

Hmmm.... my mother's an M.D..
She once had a XY female patient.. the complaint was "breasts too big".. -> back pains
But really.. XY women tend to be very pretty... like the lady in the picture below.

http://transwoman.tripod.com/images/niamh.jpg

On the other hand... if they were brought up as women, they probably feel awful about their inability to have kids until they learn to accept it.

Groping is awful-... once I read breasts groping was a form of greeting in the 16th century or so...

(but they also wore codpieces around that time. Blech.. )

Erm... I wouldn't feel comfortable if some weird-looking stranger all of a sudden groped my crotch on the subway. Its just... not right. I reserve that for my one and only in the bedroom. :)

Groping is only fun if the recieving party wants to be groped... And since I still have yet to learn to read minds, I tend only to grope when someone is very clear about their wishes to be groped.:p

isn't that always the motivation of rapist instead of sex?

So it would be a perfectly ok way to greet a male you've never met by coming up to him and squeezing his testicles as a "hi, how ya doin'?"

Groping is only fun if the recieving party wants to be groped... And since I still have yet to learn to read minds, I tend only to grope when someone is very clear about their wishes to be groped.

Agreed.

...
Groping is awful-... once I read breasts groping was a form of greeting in the 16th century or so...

(but they also wore codpieces around that time. Blech.. )

Really? What culture was that supposed to have come up with that sor tof greeting?

So it would be a perfectly ok way to greet a male you've never met by coming up to him and squeezing his testicles as a "hi, how ya doin'?"

no, of course not, why do you think that I would do that?

So it would be a perfectly ok way to greet a male you've never met by coming up to him and squeezing his testicles as a "hi, how ya doin'?"



If you gently squeeze it, it'd be a hospitable gesture...

So if this is the case, then, as I don't feel any particular sexual pleasure and certainly don't feel violated if someone touches my nipples without my consent, why then do women feel so bad about it?

no, of course not, why do you think that I would do that?

Because what the OP was talking about, and I was responding to, is non-consensual fondling of a woman's body. I asked if non-consensual fondling of a man's body is ok.

Because what the OP was talking about, and I was responding to, is non-consensual fondling of a woman's body. I asked if non-consensual fondling of a man's body is ok.

no, just to clear things out, i'm all against non-consensual fondling.

If you gently squeeze it, it'd be a hospitable gesture...

...and one I would reserve for someone I knew EXTREMELY well... dare I say "nearly exclusively". ;)

If you gently squeeze it, it'd be a hospitable gesture...

No, it'd be sexual assault and if you did it to me you'd get a smack in the head or arrested, depending on how pissed off I was.

No, it'd be sexual assault and if you did it to me you'd get a smack in the head or arrested, depending on how pissed off I was.

I wont. You arent my type...

"XY females can occur when the baby is immune to testosterone (which triggers the male developement) and so defaults to female. But this female is infertile." - Kazistan



Yeah I was watching a programme on this (well it was House but meh) and apparently having an immunity to testosterone gives the XY female the ideal all-feminine look, cos they dont get any male characteristics due to their immunity, and therefore the perfect woman is in fact a man lol. Would that be true or just dramatic license?

:D

... apparently humans start off female, and at a certain amount old (before they are born), develop nipples - it's only AFTER they've developed nipples that it's "decided" what gender they will be born as. So if this is the case, then, as I don't feel any particular sexual pleasure and certainly don't feel violated if someone touches my nipples without my consent, why then do women feel so bad about it? Does it really feel majorly different, and if so, why - aren't breasts essentially the same except for a bit more skin and some milk?

Actually the gender his decided as soon as the sperm hits the egg.

Actually the gender his decided as soon as the sperm hits the egg.

And its a split second of quantum physics to determine the gender!

And its a split second of quantum physics to determine the gender!

Yay collapsing waveforms!

Social reasons. Men's nipples are seen as anything especially sexual, whereas women's nipples and breasts in general are sex organs, and if a woman lets everybody touch her breasts, she's labeled as a slut. Honestly, I don't know what it feels like for a guy to have his nipples touched, but I don't feel much, especially when I'm wearing a bra. It's like having any other part of the body touched. *shrug*

i get pretty annoyed when anyone gropes me. used to happen all the time when i worked in a nightclub. drunken girls thinking it's okay to pinch my arse and my nipples and guys grabbing my head when i had to kneel down to sweep up glass in front of them. the only thing that made it bearable was the fact that i didn't get in trouble for lashing out seeing as all the customers were regarded at best as retards and at worst as simply cattle.

i get pretty annoyed when anyone gropes me. used to happen all the time when i worked in a nightclub. drunken girls thinking it's okay to pinch my arse and my nipples and guys grabbing my head when i had to kneel down to sweep up glass in front of them. the only thing that made it bearable was the fact that i didn't get in trouble for lashing out seeing as all the customers were regarded at best as retards and at worst as simply cattle.

Sue that employer - they have a duty to your safety and health. There's a regulation somewhere about it.

If you gently squeeze it, it'd be a hospitable gesture...

More like a hospital act, 'cause that's where you'll end up.