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O Canada..

Aryavartha
17-11-2006, 07:00
I really feel sorry for them. From what I hear from friends in AFG, the Canadians have been taking the heat a lot more than their other NATO "allies".


http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=926f26fd-a1a2-4445-a092-d524af7fe311&k=38037
NATO failed Canada in Afghanistan, British MP says

Kevin Dougherty, CanWest News Service; Montreal Gazette
Published: Thursday, November 16, 2006

QUEBEC - A British Labour MP praised Canadian troops Wednesday for their ''superb gallantry and valour'' in Afghanistan, but said they were let down by their NATO allies.

Frank Cook is one of 340 parliamentarians from countries belonging to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization who have gathered here this week for the NATO parliamentary assembly.

He recalled the wave of shock that went through a NATO delegation in Kabul last May on news that Capt. Nichola Goddard, of the 1st Royal Canadian Horse, had been killed early in the Panjwaii campaign. Goddard is the senior Canadian officer killed to date in Afghanistan and the first Canadian woman to die in combat since the Second World War.

After the Canadians drove the Taliban from safe havens in Panjwaii, killing about 200 of the enemy, Cook said, Canada sought help from its NATO allies with troops already in Afghanistan to consolidate the gain.

''Five NATO countries refused,'' he said, explaining they invoked ''national caveats,'' defined by their legislators to limit the scope of their commitment to the Afghan mission. Cook did not identify the countries.

Canada took 12 of its 42 fatal casualties in Afghanistan to date in the Panjwaii campaign, Cook noted.

Canadian Maj.-Gen. Joe Hincke said the issue of ''national caveats'' is the subject of ongoing discussions within NATO.

''I can't say much more,'' Hincke said, adding that it was an issue of national sovereignty involving ''nations' blood and treasure.''

''That is the reality of operations in a NATO environment.''

Laurie Hawn, a Conservative MP from Alberta, agreed with Cook.

''It is profoundly disappointing when something like this happens,'' Hawn said.

Hincke said training Afghan National Army troops to relieve NATO would be a better way to use resources.

Ran Cohen, a Meretz member of the Israeli Knesset, asked Hincke how NATO troops can distinguish between the Taliban and the civilian population.

Hincke said the task is difficult and will take time, but what Canada is trying to do in Afghanistan is to offer civilians an alternative, so the Taliban will be isolated.

And that means showing NATO is committed and will not leave in the short term, he added.

''It takes time and there will be setbacks, but that's the way to go,'' Hincke said.

He reminded delegates that Afghanistan has been devastated by nearly 30 years of war, leaving the country with little infrastructure.

The country is also divided by tribal loyalties, making it difficult for the central government to establish its authority.

''It's going to take a long time to put it back together,'' he said and the first step is establishing hope by creating a stable environment.

In the absence of economic alternatives, the Afghans are turning to drugs as a cash crop, growing marijuana and poppies used to make heroin and opium.

''There needs to be an alternate economy,'' Hincke said, suggesting vineyards.

Montreal Gazette

now which are those 5 countries that refused help...hmmm...:mad:
Red_Letter
17-11-2006, 07:03
Damn that sucks :mad: . Beuracracy has always been ugliest in war, they are not the first casualties of it, and they will not be the last. My condolences to Canada and the Canadian soldiers involved.
Neu Leonstein
17-11-2006, 07:06
Germany is one of them. Apparently some Canadian troops were in trouble, and the German commander nearby said he couldn't get clearance for his troops to move in and help. Berlin says they never got a request.

Either way, the issues for the Germans are these:

1) They're already overstretched in Bosnia, the Kosovo, Ethiopian and Somali Coast, Kongo, Lebanon and Afghanistan.
2) They don't have the equipment there to fight real combat (I think).
3) The people in Germany are not at all happy about the idea.
4) If Germany pulled troops from the north, that might actually risk the trouble in the south spreading there.
5) NATO doesn't really seem to have a strategy at all. If the troops were at least useful there...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,448375,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,449043,00.html
Ragbralbur
17-11-2006, 07:10
Germany, France, Italy and Spain will not let their troops fight at night or in certain regions. This makes coordinating the effort very difficult. So much for a team effort...
Worldopolis
17-11-2006, 07:48
Hi - just enjoying a post about Canada - interested in what others are saying about the country I live in. :)
Boonytopia
17-11-2006, 08:26
Hi - just enjoying a post about Canada - interested in what others are saying about the country I live in. :)

Stick around, you're likely to see quite a few.