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Good thing I didn't waste money on those crappy dual-core chips. :rolleyes: Honestly, unless you're playing the newest top-end games or high-end video and graphics, what's the point? My 1.7GHz P4 laptop does word processing and most internet stuff just fine. The 3.4GHz P4 desktop I built for my bedroom does just about everything else I want it to.

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Intel launches its first quad-core chips on Tuesday – the product of a reorganisation at the world's biggest chip company that is creating a dramatic acceleration in the performance of its products.

I agree untill there are more applications designed for distributed systems I am not going to waste my money on them

I agree untill there are more applications designed for distributed systems I am not going to waste my money on them

I.e, three-six months from now?

Good thing I didn't waste money on those crappy dual-core chips. :rolleyes: Honestly, unless you're playing the newest top-end games or high-end video and graphics, what's the point? My 1.7GHz P4 laptop does word processing and most internet stuff just fine. The 3.4GHz P4 desktop I built for my bedroom does just about everything else I want it to.

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What's the point? It's new! It's faster! It's new and faster! And you can tell your friends, in a non-chalant way, "Oh, yes, I just got the new quad-core chips, quite fabulous, really, makes the old computer seem like it was operating on molasses."

What's the point? It's new! It's faster! It's new and faster! And you can tell your friends, in a non-chalant way, "Oh, yes, I just got the new quad-core chips, quite fabulous, really, makes the old computer seem like it was operating on molasses."

OBEY! CONSUME! REPRODUCE!!!
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OBEY! CONSUME! REPRODUCE!!!
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There you go! :D

A lot of it is because these chips are better at running both more complex programs as well as managing the heat buildup that comes from running processors at these speeds. It provides away to increase processing power significantly without having to reduce the size of the transistor gates (something they're doing anyway along with building trigate transistors), which enables them to achieve the same processing power without the added cost of having to retool their production lines to smaller transistors.

Moore's Law will eventually run out for conventional transistors, so this along with trigates is one of the ways to circumvent the problem. Personally, I'd buy one just for the sake of having the newest technology because I'm big on that sort of thing, but it's not really necessary for most applications.

Dual core's great if you're playing Counterstrike and running WMP in the background. Otherwise, its a little over hyped.

Oh, come ON! Just last year I was saying "Why bother with a dual core processor?"

It just isn't worth it! Who NEEDS this crap!

My current computer has ONE FREAKING PROCESSOR!

Oh, noes! Stone age technology from less than two years ago!

It runs everything fine!

I don' like Intel anyway, though. Freaking monopolist #*$#@8#@#32$@*beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeps!

If I'd a choice I wouldn't use any of their stuff, or Microsoft's. But alas, I must use my outdated word on this peace of Intel crap.

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If I'd a choice I wouldn't use any of their stuff, or Microsoft's. But alas, I must use my outdated word on this peace of Intel crap.


I use OpenOffice 2.0 and Firefox on my modern Intel processor with Windows OS...where does that put me?

I use OpenOffice 2.0 and Firefox on my modern Intel processor with Windows OS...where does that put me?

Same place as me....

The state of Hipocracy. I think it's in the south somewhere.....

Oh, noes! Stone age technology from less than two years ago!

Don't most areas of computer tech advance exponentially?

Same place as me....

The state of Hipocracy. I think it's in the south somewhere.....

A winrar is us.

:eek: And what's next? Octo-cores? Hexadeci-cores? Where will it stop? Think of the children! What will our great nation be like when Pancake is ready to take her place (submissively) in adult society? Will there be multi-core chips ravaging the countryside, forcing our sacred priests and ministers and pastors to marry them in unholy wedlock? O tempora! O mores!

:eek: And what's next? Octo-cores? Hexadeci-cores? Where will it stop? Think of the children! What will our great nation be like when Pancake is ready to take her place (submissively) in adult society? Will there be multi-core chips ravaging the countryside, forcing our sacred priests and ministers and pastors to marry them in unholy wedlock? O tempora! O mores!

Umm...I think you lost something in the middle of that...like, your sanity.

In which case, welcome to NationStates!

Umm...I think you lost something in the middle of that...like, your sanity.

In which case, welcome to NationStates!

;) Why, thank you kindly.

OBEY! CONSUME! REPRODUCE!!!
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Cookie for managing to get They Live into a discussion about processing chips :D

Thanks to a personal bias towards AMD, I really don't care.

I.e, three-six months from now?

How long have dual core chips been out? And they are still no where near supported my most applications yet. Not to any sort of advantage.

Dual core's great if you're playing Counterstrike and running WMP in the background. Otherwise, its a little over hyped.

The only advantage to my dual proc machine comes when I am doing two very intensive tasks at the same time and I actively swap affinity on the processes (yes dual processors opterons)

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While geeky I can SOMETIMES use the full potential it is most deffenatly not when I am playing a game or anything so pedestrian (which means the average consumer will find it worthless till software develops)
Usually heavy video rendering is about the only time I see the full advantage to be honest

Cookie for managing to get They Live into a discussion about processing chips :D
Yay! A cookie!!!

*stands up. clears throat* Ahem *straightens tie*

Four cores and seven years ago...

*bolts* :D

*stands up. clears throat* Ahem *straightens tie*

Four cores and seven years ago...

*bolts* :D

I'd like to CD script for that.

CPUs haven't really got me moving the way GPUs have. I'm running a 3.2GHz P4, and that'll tide me over for a few years.

I use OpenOffice 2.0 and Firefox on my modern Intel processor with Windows OS...where does that put me?

Same place as me. I like to think the shiny open source-ness balances out the evil of MS and Intel. My laptop is neutral. Well apart from the pirated mp3s but lets just pretend they're not there.

I have a Cpu with hyperthreading which dual core cpu's lack. It can multitask so good its practically working like 2 Core Cpu, with less heat and cheaper of course. I wonder what would our CPU's would turn into with mainly software and efficiency improvements on them like hyperthreading.

I remember once upon a time razing a friend saying, "A whole meg of memory? Bah, who needs that?"

I remember hearing, "386? Bah, only people running CAD programs will need that."

Alright, I'm old, I also remember, "Hard drive? You mean the computer boots itself?" and "What's a mouse supposed to do?"

Short story, the script hasn't seemed to changed.

Good thing I didn't waste money on those crappy dual-core chips. :rolleyes: Honestly, unless you're playing the newest top-end games or high-end video and graphics, what's the point? My 1.7GHz P4 laptop does word processing and most internet stuff just fine. The 3.4GHz P4 desktop I built for my bedroom does just about everything else I want it to.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15707931/
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm yummy yummy chips!!!!!!

*sits down with a bag and eats*

Hey, I've got a dual core Intel Core 2 Duo T5600 (1.83Ghz) laptop.

I have a single core laptop and desktop - the multitasking on the dual core is so much more responsive especially if you're say doing a virus scan or ripping a CD.

Hey, I've got a dual core Intel Core 2 Duo T5600 (1.83Ghz) laptop.

I have a single core laptop and desktop - the multitasking on the dual core is so much more responsive especially if you're say doing a virus scan or ripping a CD.

And how much of that is because of other tecnological upgrades other then the proc (I couldent tell you off hand)
Faster response memory, more? SATA Hard drives? How much are because of core design upgrades?

Either way yeah you can see some performance increase ... but only when you are running two big cpu tasks. And you only REALLY start to see the bonus when manualy assigning them (windows proc scheduling kind of blows)

How long have dual core chips been out? And they are still no where near supported my most applications yet. Not to any sort of advantage.

But this means dual core chips will get even cheaper.

CPUs haven't really got me moving the way GPUs have. I'm running a 3.2GHz P4, and that'll tide me over for a few years.

I am using one of thoes for my work desktop ... Solid most deffinatly. Is not quite the performance beast my opterons are but it is most deffinatly a good solid performer

But this means dual core chips will get even cheaper.

But even the dual cores are not really supported by software was my point.

Sure they will get cheeper, but there is no benifit till software companys get smart. (well no benifit except for the extreemly meglomaniac micromanagers like me)

There are a few bright stars though, City of vilians was smart enough to span my procs, I thought that was impressive

I am using one of thoes for my work desktop ... Solid most deffinatly. Is not quite the performance beast my opterons are but it is most deffinatly a good solid performer

So far for me, no problems whatsoever.

But even the dual cores are not really supported by software was my point.
But they are effective for multitasking, which is all they really need to do.
And time only moves forward, software and especially games will begin to take advantage of multi-cores at an exponential rate.

And how much of that is because of other tecnological upgrades other then the proc (I couldent tell you off hand)
Faster response memory, more? SATA Hard drives? How much are because of core design upgrades?

Either way yeah you can see some performance increase ... but only when you are running two big cpu tasks. And you only REALLY start to see the bonus when manualy assigning them (windows proc scheduling kind of blows)

Apps like Photoshop and those engineering apps do make use the multiple cores because they were designed to work on high-end workstations and use every bit of power available. Even single-threaded apps like the Super-pi benchmark seemed to benefit - thrashed one core but some off-load to the 2nd core.

Always dreamed of having that uber-two CPU system but now I have one in my little old laptop.

I have begun a daunting quest personally. I am endevouring to banish Gates from my PC entirely. I have already made the switch to Linux, plus I use Firefox, Abiword, and all other sorts of open source communism. The hard part is finding hardware that doesn't have Gates' fingerprints all over it. Seriously, this dude has his finger in every pie in the IT game. It is so hard finding part that have nothing to do with MS whatsoever, then ensuring their compatibility without sinking the Ubuntu support community. However, despite the effort, only by fighting the monopoly can I hope to be free of it.

Apps like Photoshop and those engineering apps do make use the multiple cores because they were designed to work on high-end workstations and use every bit of power available. Even single-threaded apps like the Super-pi benchmark seemed to benefit - thrashed one core but some off-load to the 2nd core.

Always dreamed of having that uber-two CPU system but now I have one in my little old laptop.

Funny I use CS2 as well as SolidWorks and The new AutoDesk and see no ability to utilize both my procs

But they are effective for multitasking, which is all they really need to do.
And time only moves forward, software and especially games will begin to take advantage of multi-cores at an exponential rate.

I hope so ... the potential for advantage is massive. The follow through like with the move to 64 bit seems to be slow though.

I have begun a daunting quest personally. I am endevouring to banish Gates from my PC entirely. I have already made the switch to Linux, plus I use Firefox, Abiword, and all other sorts of open source communism. The hard part is finding hardware that doesn't have Gates' fingerprints all over it. Seriously, this dude has his finger in every pie in the IT game. It is so hard finding part that have nothing to do with MS whatsoever, then ensuring their compatibility without sinking the Ubuntu support community. However, despite the effort, only by fighting the monopoly can I hope to be free of it.
Oh no, everything is compatible, fight the system!

I hope so ... the potential for advantage is massive. The follow through like with the move to 64 bit seems to be slow though.
But multiple cores can have innate effects without programming for it like you have to for 64bit.

Oh no, everything is compatible, fight the system!


But multiple cores can have innate effects without programming for it like you have to for 64bit.

Some ... Not enough to justify the massive push. Though vista IS better at xp at handling the processors...