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Let's hope this trend starts to spread. :)

And it is now official:

The United States is worse on civil rights than South Africa. SOUTH FUCKING AFRICA. The nation that maintained apartheid until 1994.

Sigh.

And it is now official:

The United States is worse on civil rights than South Africa. SOUTH FUCKING AFRICA. The nation that maintained apartheid until 1994.

Sigh.

Sad, ain't it? :(

And it is now official:

The United States is worse on civil rights than South Africa. SOUTH FUCKING AFRICA. The nation that maintained apartheid until 1994.

Sigh.

:eek: :(
Well at least Seth Efrica's taken a step forward.

And it is now official:

The United States is worse on civil rights than South Africa. SOUTH FUCKING AFRICA. The nation that maintained apartheid until 1994.

Sigh.

I'd like to make the differentiation of the fact that parts of the US do allow it.

I'd like to make the differentiation of the fact that parts of the US do allow it.

gay marriage?

Yeah, 1 part out of the 50.

its good to see that they are moving along in the world
wake up USA

gay marriage?

Yeah, 1 part out of the 50.

Pwned :)

And it is now official:

The United States is worse on civil rights than South Africa. SOUTH FUCKING AFRICA. The nation that maintained apartheid until 1994.

Sigh.

That's a big leap there. Would you like fries with that?

gay marriage?

Yeah, 1 part out of the 50.

I believe 2, actually. Plus Vermont which allows civil unions.

And the fact that corporations offer benefits packages for gay couples.




The slow, deliberative, American federal system is taking it's sweet time, but it's moving along the road.

I'd like to make the differentiation of the fact that parts of the US do allow it.
I don't mean to slight Massachusetts, but let's be honest with ourselves here. The US, as a nation, is actively spitting on gay citizens on a routine basis.

I do not mean to imply that there are no fair-minded Americans, or that there is no active movement to recognize and protect the civil rights of American citizens...far from it! I'm just admitting that, thus far, we're not having all that much success. As others on the thread have pointed out, 1/50 isn't a passing grade in any class I've attended.

i pray to GOD that fag marriage is never allowed in my country

or else its time to

:mp5:

i pray to GOD that fag marriage is never allowed in my country

or else its time to

:mp5:
time to...

turn into a tiny ninja with a cartoon gun and shoot blindly at your own name on the sidebar?

i pray to GOD that fag marriage is never allowed in my country

or else its time to

:mp5:

The stereotypical first post, gun smilies, slurs and everything.

i pray to GOD that fag marriage is never allowed in my country

or else its time to

:mp5:

Sorry to say, but your stay here is bound to be a short one.

;)

The stereotypical first post, gun smilies, slurs and everything.
I'm always curious about what goes through a person's head as they are posting something like that.

"Goddam fags! I hate them so much! Only a cartoon shooty-emote can possibly capture the depth and complexity of my feelings on this topic! Also, it's sure to be a convincing argument that many people will listen to!"

The stereotypical first post, gun smilies, slurs and everything.

They should do well here before being banned for trolling. :)

The stereotypical first post, gun smilies, slurs and everything.

Hey, give him a chance! He is people too!

:D :sniper:

i pray to GOD that fag marriage is never allowed in my country

or else its time to

:mp5:

and what country would that be?

and who’s campaigning for British cigarettes to wed?

I'm always curious about what goes through a person's head as they are posting something like that.

"Goddam fags! I hate them so much! Only a cartoon shooty-emote can possibly capture the depth and complexity of my feelings on this topic! Also, it's sure to be a convincing argument that many people will listen to!"
that must be it

Wow, sorry that I have a different opinion then you.

I dont want our society to decline into a moralless state. Do we legalize incest marriage? Pedophilia marriage? Animal marriage? Their HAS to be a line

I'm always curious about what goes through a person's head as they are posting something like that.


Have you ever seen the stuff that comes out of a sink trap?

There you go. :)

Hey, give him a chance! He is people too!

:D :sniper:

Northportland is people!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

i pray to GOD that fag marriage is never allowed in my country

or else its time to

:mp5:

Hey hun. Sorry, you'll have to go back in your playpen. The big kids are having a conversation here.

i pray to GOD that fag marriage is never allowed in my country

or else its time to

:mp5:

Let's give him the triple-quote on his somewhat less than stellar first post!

What the states that have banned gay marriage (including colorful Colorado, where I live) have done is set up a second class of citizens who are entitled to fewer rights than other citizens, solely based on their sexual preference.

The stereotypical first post, gun smilies, slurs and everything.

I thought it was to the point and classic. Lets face it... to have a first post like so, though cliché, is becoming a rarity. I think we should give that post the respect it deserves. How much more preferable to see ones true colors in such a basic and simple light rather than other posts we see which ramble and try to conceal their base natures.

Wow, sorry that I have a different opinion then you.

I dont want our society to decline into a moralless state. Do we legalize incest marriage? Pedophilia marriage? Animal marriage? Their HAS to be a line

I like you. You're silly. :)

Wow, sorry that I have a different opinion then you.

I dont want our society to decline into a moralless state. Do we legalize incest marriage? Pedophilia marriage? Animal marriage? Their HAS to be a line

More to do w/ the slur, gun smilie, and lack of any cognitive discourse in your very first post .

Hey, give him a chance! He is people too!

:D :sniper:

I is person!!

Well, congrats South Africa!

I just took a look at my first post on NSG...I was soooooooooo cute back then!

It was even in an MKULTRA thread, those were classic and awesome!

The chief reason we don't want weapons inspectors in the US is the same reason the French, the Brits, the Chinese, the etc., don't want them. The possibility of spies being amidst their ranks.

Also, the reason why inspectors were in Iraq (and other places) is because there were resolutions and stuff passed by folks like the UN and such that demanded those countries disarm.

And, anyways, might makes right, so that can always be fallen back on.

My first post was in the United Nations Forum. I forwarded a proposal to allow the free trade of tacos and taco-related paraphenalia between all member nations.

I feel so deprived. :(

I just took a look at my first post on NSG...I was soooooooooo cute back then!

It was even in an MKULTRA thread, those were classic and awesome!

Aww. :p

So cutesy-wutesy! :D

*pinches Andaluciae's cheek*

Well at least Seth Efrica's taken a step forward.

Nkosi sikilele Afrika! (sp?) Woohoo!!!!
However, I think my South African expat friend who is Christian wouldn't be too happy bout this... Who knows.

My first post was in the United Nations Forum. I forwarded a proposal to allow the free trade of tacos and taco-related paraphenalia between all member nations.

I feel so deprived. :(

There, there. *pats shoulder*

You more than made up for that. :)

The US, as a nation, is actively spitting on gay citizens on a routine basis.

hell, i live in one of two counties in idaho that didn't just vote overwhelmingly to enshrine discrimination in the state constitution.

Wow, sorry that I have a different opinion then you.

it okay to be wrong

I dont want our society to decline into a moralless state. Do we legalize incest marriage? Pedophilia marriage? Animal marriage? Their HAS to be a line

paedophilia and zoophilia (sp?) are illegal because there is no consent (since children and animals can’t give consent) I don’t see why we should not allow a consenting brother to marry his consenting brother if he wants nobody is getting hurt hell he can even adopt and give an unwanted kid a safe home

And define moral

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.

Wow, sorry that I have a different opinion then you.

I dont want our society to decline into a moralless state. Do we legalize incest marriage? Pedophilia marriage? Animal marriage? Their HAS to be a line

It might just be the ... what's the word I want? rude way you expressed your opinion.

How does my partner of nearly 25 years and I getting married, with all the rights and benefits included in that, reduce the morals of the United States? I'm as against incest, pedophilia and animal marriage as you appear to be. Why draw the line with gay people? Blacks and whites weren't allowed to marry in parts of our great nation, once upon a time, that line got moved. I'm sure there were people who said the same things you have, we must draw a line or our nation will descend into chaos and mongrel-ism.

Anyway, I am a natural born citizen of the United States who happens to be a lesbian. Why am I denied my civil rights? Why can you walk into the county or city clerk's office, buy a marriage license, and assuming you cross the T's and dot the I's properly, get married, and I and my Lady cannot?

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.
Zomg, he is so cute!!!!

Can I keep him?

Seriously though, a bit of advice: going around yelling about the icky fags and the evil Communists is really not a good way to be taken seriously around here. However, if you are a troll looking for quality feed, keep up the good work!

I dont want our society to decline into a moralless state. Do we legalize incest marriage? Pedophilia marriage? Animal marriage? Their HAS to be a line

What does gay marriage have to do with incest marriage, pedophilia marriage, and animal marriage?

Zomg, he is so cute!!!!

Can I keep him?

Yes, please do.

*backs away, shoves him forward into Bottle's arms*

Zomg, he is so cute!!!!

Can I keep him?

Okay, but if he poops on the carpet, you're cleaning it up!

Wow, sorry that I have a different opinion then you.

I dont want our society to decline into a moralless state. Do we legalize incest marriage? Pedophilia marriage? Animal marriage? Their HAS to be a line

Yeah lets make that line at the point of concenting adults

What does gay marriage have to do with incest marriage, pedophilia marriage, and animal marriage?

To fundies, they're all "immoral."

Zomg, he is so cute!!!!

Can I keep him?

Do you want him in paper or plastic?

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.

You're really cute, looking at the world through the lens of dialectic politics. I'd imagine that you'd be surprised how much you have in common with the left.

I'm one of this forums most ardent opponents of communism and socialsm. I've had to drink to take me off of the rage I got during an economics argument way back when. So, don't confuse social issues with economics.

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.

Socialism has nothing to do with gay rights. In fact, homosexuality is illegal or frowned upon in many leftist nations. Marx himself described homosexuality as a bourgeois deviance.

EDIT: As for the OP, I am glad that South Africa has become such a beacon of human rights for the world. You've come a long way, and deserve the applause of the world. Amandla oweto!

What does gay marriage have to do with incest marriage, pedophilia marriage, and animal marriage?

They are all against Dog's law.

Or something.

it okay to be wrong



paedophilia and zoophilia (sp?) are illegal because there is no consent (since children and animals can’t give consent) I don’t see why we should not allow a consenting brother to marry his consenting brother if he wants nobody is getting hurt hell he can even adopt and give an unwanted kid a safe home

And define moral

Whats moral is whats already whats been laid down in our society. We dont need to change anything. Most people are against gay marriage, and it goes against the major religion of the people here, so no.

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.

last person who said that to me, will it end bad for them

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.

I don't see how one's opinion on marriage relates to one's patriotism or economic views. Care to explain?

Socialism has nothing to do with gay rights. In fact, homosexuality is illegal or frowned upon in many leftist nations. Marx himself described homosexuality as a bourgeois deviance.

I knew there was a reason I didn't trust him, besides the beard :D

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.

What, if I and my partner get married, the communist terrorists win? Really, I want to understand how I'm not being patriotic by asking for what I thought were the rights of a citizen.

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.

Its your side trying to change the constitution bub

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

Well, as long as they both consent to the :fluffle:, who am I to stop them? They're in love, let them be happy.

Whats moral is whats already whats been laid down in our society. We dont need to change anything. Most people are against gay marriage, and it goes against the major religion of the people here, so no.

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

Yes. I want that.

To fundies, they're all "immoral."

Evidently, but that is no argument for why they should be considered immoral.

As well say that we should prohibit breathing, because if we don't treat it as immoral, people will start murdering each other thanks to the decline in moral values.

Saying that a line should exist is all well and good, but is not in and of itself an argument for placing the line in any particular place.

What, if I and my partner get married, the communist terrorists win? Really, I want to understand how I'm not being patriotic by asking for what I thought were the rights of a citizen.

ZOMG! Gay marriage helps teh commies!? Quick! We must outlaw it now!!!! :eek:


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Whats moral is whats already whats been laid down in our society. We dont need to change anything. Most people are against gay marriage, and it goes against the major religion of the people here, so no.

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

I'd imagine I'd go about my business as usual and get to work or class or wherever I'm going...

What, if I and my partner get married, the communist terrorists win? Really, I want to understand how I'm not being patriotic by asking for what I thought were the rights of a citizen.

are there communist terrorists?

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

Mmmmm, that'd be fun. Hey, my society, which predates yours on this continent, welcomed and valued gays, lesbians and the transgendered, and honoured them as two-spirited. Then you, with your filthy immigrant ways, come here and impose your version of 'morality'. Bah. Go home!

are there communist terrorists?

Okay, I threw in the terrorists for free.

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

Oh, but I do!

(And you are aware that there are same-sex female couples as well, yes?)

Whats moral is whats already whats been laid down in our society. We dont need to change anything. Most people are against gay marriage, and it goes against the major religion of the people here, so no.

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

I want to see [img]Do NOT Link to this.GIF] in every corner. :)

Evidently, but that is no argument for why they should be considered immoral.

It has to do with religion, which is stupid, IMHO. I consider myself a devout Christian, yet I am 100% for gay marriage. Not civil-unions, but bona fide, full-fledged marriage. I also oppose the teaching of Intelligent Design, support the teaching of evolution, and 100% oppose legislating morality.

Whats moral is whats already whats been laid down in our society. We dont need to change anything. Most people are against gay marriage, and it goes against the major religion of the people here, so no.

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

So then slavery is moral? How about interracial marriage? Was crossing that line acceptable or unconstitutional?

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.
You're damn right I want to see that. I also want to see gals fluffling gals, gals fluffling and being fluffled by guys, and all manner of general flufflage.

Wanna know why? Because people who are enjoying happy, healthy, mutually-satisfying fluffles are going to be far too busy fluffling to get their noses out of joint about my fluffle habits, which (let's face it) are none of their freaking business.

Zomg, he is so cute!!!!

Can I keep him?

Seriously though, a bit of advice: going around yelling about the icky fags and the evil Communists is really not a good way to be taken seriously around here. However, if you are a troll looking for quality feed, keep up the good work!

you dont know were hes been

You know, this troll should maybe take lessons with MeansToAnEnd to beef up his approach...it's suitably heavy handed enough, but I don't get the sense that he has enough backing it up to keep this going for long :(

are there communist terrorists?

To answer the question as the literalist that I am, Baader-Meinhof, Red Army Faction, The Weathermen, Action Directe and the Red Brigades.

Okay, I threw in the terrorists for free.

:cool:

Oh, but I do!

(And you are aware that there are same-sex female couples as well, yes?)

I'm sure lesbians are ok because that's hot. Just as long as they get married to men after they experiment.

What, if I and my partner get married, the communist terrorists win? Really, I want to understand how I'm not being patriotic by asking for what I thought were the rights of a citizen.

Your "partner" LOL UR GAY HAHAHA

Oh, but I do!

(And you are aware that there are same-sex female couples as well, yes?)

Yeah, it's weird how anti-homosexual sentiments so often focus on men...

Oh, but I do!

(And you are aware that there are same-sex female couples as well, yes?)
You are mistaken. There is no such thing as lesbians, because women do not have Little Soldiers, and therefore cannot have sex.

you dont know were hes been

A couple of shots and a night at the vets will clear that matter up...

I'm sure lesbians are ok because that's hot. Just as long as they get married to men after they experiment.

Or allow their husbands to watch/participate . (prays fervently)

Your "partner" LOL UR GAY HAHAHA

So?

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

1) not everyone on the internet is American!!! (like me:eek: )
2) communism =/= socialism
3) what’s wrong with socialism :mad:
4) never understood the American obsession with the constitution

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.

Patriotism is worse IMHO robots don't make good voters

To answer the question as the literalist that I am, Baader-Meinhof, Red Army Faction, The Weathermen, Action Directe and the Red Brigades.

oh so there are but all we hear is about the others

Whats moral is whats already whats been laid down in our society. We dont need to change anything.

Would have have been putting forward the same argument vis a vis slavery circa 1800? Or black rights circa 1960?

You're damn right I want to see that. I also want to see gals fluffling gals, gals fluffling and being fluffled by guys, and all manner of general flufflage.

Wanna know why? Because people who are enjoying happy, healthy, mutually-satisfying fluffles are going to be far too busy fluffling to get their noses out of joint about my fluffle habits, which (let's face it) are none of their freaking business.

Very well put. Have a cookie. :)

The Weathermen

Not terrorists. Their actions were pretty much limited to property destruction.

Your "partner" LOL UR GAY HAHAHA

And there we have it, folks, a well-reasoned, eloquent response.

Very well put. Have a cookie. :)
*Munch*

Grins.

Your "partner" LOL UR GAY HAHAHA

Everybody is gay. :)

A couple of shots and a night at the vets will clear that matter up...

so whos paying for it

Your "partner" LOL UR GAY HAHAHA

Everyone... we've been arguing with a seven year old. Lets ignore him and give him a nickel if he learns to behave quietly.

Your "partner" LOL UR GAY HAHAHA

I guess I must have missed the joke. :confused:

Mmmmm, that'd be fun. Hey, my society, which predates yours on this continent, welcomed and valued gays, lesbians and the transgendered, and honoured them as two-spirited. Then you, with your filthy immigrant ways, come here and impose your version of 'morality'. Bah. Go home!


Now I'm wondering about how native african societies in what is now South Africa viewed homosexuality and other people who did nonprocreative things with their genitals.

Everyone... we've been arguing with a seven year old. Lets ignore him and give him a nickel if he learns to behave quietly.

No, let's not. He amuses me. :)

Not terrorists. Their actions were pretty much limited to property destruction.

Property interests are probably THE most protected interests in US and Canadian law. Clearly, they are a priority in these societies, and destruction of property would absolutely fall under the category of terrorism if the purpose of said destruction was to...wait for it, this is soooo sneaky....CAUSE TERROR! ArghhhH!

Not terrorists. Their actions were pretty much limited to property destruction.

Like blasting artwork they didn't like.

They're terrorists, because the goal of their actions was not necessarily to kill, but to change the behaviors of others through acts of violence. In theory, a terrorist doesn't actually give a damn if people die or stuff gets broken, they care that they can inspire sufficient fear to change an open society.

Now I'm wondering about how native african societies in what is now South Africa viewed homosexuality and other people who did nonprocreative things with their genitals.

I remember a show on a tribe in Africa, no, don't remember which one, I know that's terrible of me, but anyway....where the boys upon reaching a certain age were sent to live in the man's village, and routinely engaged in sex with them. Yet, the tribe did not die out, children continued to be born, and life went on.

How very Greek of them, by the way... :D

Would have have been putting forward the same argument vis a vis slavery circa 1800? Or black rights circa 1960?

If the blacks had it soooooooooooo bad in the 60's then why dont they just return to africa? Oh, thats right, because its full of poor, aids infested savages.

And no, slavery isnt needed anymore, but back then it helped bring our country up into power.

4) never understood the American obsession with the constitution


I value the Constitution highly. But then again, I'm crazy enough to believe it. :p

so whos paying for it

Not me. :eek:

so whos paying for it

Not me, he's all Bottle's.

Everyone... we've been arguing with a seven year old. Lets ignore him and give him a nickel if he learns to behave quietly.

We're bored.

Whats moral is whats already whats been laid down in our society.

Like slavery.

it goes against the major religion of the people here, so no.

Fortunatly, due to the first amendment, the government need not give two shits about what's against someone's religion

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

Just because you're a bigot and a homophobe don't assume the rest of us are. As long as they're both consenting adults, I have no problem with it.

If the blacks had it soooooooooooo bad in the 60's then why dont they just return to africa? Oh, thats right, because its full of poor, aids infested savages.

And no, slavery isnt needed anymore, but back then it helped bring our country up into power.

Whose puppet are you?

So, is this a reaction to the years of apartheid? Are they more cognisant of human rights due to the many years of human rights abuses?

If the blacks had it soooooooooooo bad in the 60's then why dont they just return to africa?

Return TO africa? They were americans you twit. Tell you what, why don't you just "return to" wherever the fuck you're from, and let the rest of us have a civil country.


Oh, thats right, because its full of poor, aids infested savages.

And no, slavery isnt needed anymore, but back then it helped bring our country up into power.

Ehh, MTAE does this a lot better than you, grow up, take some classes, then try again.

Everyone... we've been arguing with a seven year old. Lets ignore him and give him a nickel if he learns to behave quietly.
I like him. He's working his way through all the stereotypical homophobe rants in record time, which is making this a very efficient thread.

So, is this a reaction to the years of apartheid? Are they more cognisant of human rights due to the many years of human rights abuses?

I would assume so, though I can't verify that.

So, is this a reaction to the years of apartheid? Are they more cognisant of human rights due to the many years of human rights abuses?

pretty much, yeah.

So, is this a reaction to the years of apartheid? Are they more cognisant of human rights due to the many years of human rights abuses?

Good 'get-back-on-track' question. It may be. Interesting thought. Then again, their apartheid ended much later than apartheid in the US, and no similar outpouring of support for human rights has yet followed in the US...

If the blacks had it soooooooooooo bad in the 60's then why dont they just return to africa? Oh, thats right, because its full of poor, aids infested savages.

And no, slavery isnt needed anymore, but back then it helped bring our country up into power.

Notice how the question was avoided? Is slavery moral? Is interracial marriage immoral?

Like blasting artwork they didn't like.

That is hardly terrorism.

They're terrorists, because the goal of their actions was not necessarily to kill, but to change the behaviors of others through acts of violence.

That's a very broad definition, which pretty much encompasses the vast majority of uses of organized violence.

In theory, a terrorist doesn't actually give a damn if people die

The Weather Underground did. Thus, not terrorists.

Not me. :eek:

Not me, he's all Bottle's.

then i got to say no to her
as iam not paying for it as well

If the blacks had it soooooooooooo bad in the 60's then why dont they just return to africa? Oh, thats right, because its full of poor, aids infested savages.

Africa was AIDS affected? In the 60s?

Really?

I think someone needs to do a bit of reading on the history of AIDS.

Good 'get-back-on-track' question. It may be. Interesting thought. Then again, their apartheid ended much later than apartheid in the US, and no similar outpouring of support for human rights has yet followed in the US...

Our "apartheid," while deplorable, was not nearly as bad as theirs.

Return to where Im from? Sorry, but my roots in America go back a couple hundred years. Nice try, though.

I like the use of "OMG BIGOT" or "OMG HOMOPHOBE" as an attempt to label and guilt trip me to accepting 2 guys ramming each other all day long.

And it is now official:

The United States is worse on civil rights than South Africa. SOUTH FUCKING AFRICA. The nation that maintained apartheid until 1994.

Sigh.

While gay rights are civil rights, civil rights are not gay rights. So, can the histrionics, please.

Notice how the question was avoided? Is slavery moral? Is interracial marriage immoral?

Is slavery moral, no.

Is interracial marriage immoral? Well, in the 1960's America was 90% white. Now its 67% white and falling....I see a problem here....

Return to where Im from? Sorry, but my roots in America go back a couple hundred years. Nice try, though.

I like the use of "OMG BIGOT" or "OMG HOMOPHOBE" as an attempt to label and guilt trip me to accepting 2 guys ramming each other all day long.

As long as they're consenting adults and not trying to "ram" you, what difference does it make? Can you show me in the COTUS where it says gay marriage is not allowed?

That's a very broad definition, which pretty much encompasses the vast majority of uses of organized violence.


Also, unfortunately, the legal definition used in the Anti-Terrorism Act here in Canada...extremely broad.

While gay rights are civil rights, civil rights are not gay rights. So, can the histrionics, please.

I don't get the difference. Can you please explain?

Africa was AIDS affected? In the 60s?

Really?

I think someone needs to do a bit of reading on the history of AIDS.

I don't really think factual accuracy plays a big part in Northportland's arguments:p

Return to where Im from? Sorry, but my roots in America go back a couple hundred years. Nice try, though.

So were the blacks in the 60s who you said you should "return to africa", idiot.

I like the use of "OMG BIGOT" or "OMG HOMOPHOBE" as an attempt to label and guilt trip me to accepting 2 guys ramming each other all day long.

guilt trip you? not at all, I just call em as I see em, racist fuck.

Return to where Im from? Sorry, but my roots in America go back a couple hundred years. Nice try, though.

I like the use of "OMG BIGOT" or "OMG HOMOPHOBE" as an attempt to label and guilt trip me to accepting 2 guys ramming each other all day long.

But a couple of girls? I bet you wanna watch.

Still waiting for the explanation of why I get fewer rights than you.

Is slavery moral, no.

Is interracial marriage immoral? Well, in the 1960's America was 90% white. Now its 67% white and falling....I see a problem here....

You'll feel differently once we're all hispanic. :D

That is hardly terrorism.
It absolutely is.



That's a very broad definition, which pretty much encompasses the vast majority of uses of organized violence.
Most organized violence is directed at a strategic target, with the hopes of eliminating that asset for the sake of it's own elimination.

Al Qaeda didn't target the WTC and the Pentagon because of their importance to the US economy and military command structure, but because of what they stood for. American economic and military power were their targets, and the perception people around the world had regarding those two things.



The Weather Underground did. Thus, not terrorists.

No, I'm saying it's irrelevant to their goals.

I don't get the difference. Can you please explain?

civil rights is an umbrella term that coveres gay rights, minority rights, and women's rights, in general

Is slavery moral, no.

Yet it was a bedrock of society and established in the constitution.

Is interracial marriage immoral? Well, in the 1960's America was 90% white. Now its 67% white and falling....I see a problem here....

And that has what to do w/ interracial marriage?

Our "apartheid," while deplorable, was not nearly as bad as theirs.
Up for debate.

Is interracial marriage immoral? Well, in the 1960's America was 90% white. Now its 67% white and falling....I see a problem here....

What's the problem? America's spiralling deficit? It's crime rate problems? The apparent inefficiencies in the political system? The war in Iraq?

Or was this some sort of problem somehow related to the proportion of "whites" in the US?

Is slavery moral, no.

Is interracial marriage immoral? Well, in the 1960's America was 90% white. Now its 67% white and falling....I see a problem here....

I see no problem.

Still waiting for the explanation of why I get fewer rights than you.[/QUOTE]

Still waiting for the explanation of why we should put aside the majoritys values and morals.

is interracial marriage immoral? Well, in the 1960's America was 90% white. Now its 67% white and falling....I see a problem here....

And the fact that you see this as a problem, or even care, is telling.

OK, pray tell, why is the % of the population being white a problem? why is it falling a problem? why is that even an issue?

Go on, try to explain it without coming across as a racist prick.

Return to where Im from? Sorry, but my roots in America go back a couple hundred years. Nice try, though. Not good enough, immigrant. My roots go back tens of thousands of years. Seriously, citizenship revoked, get out.

I like the use of "OMG BIGOT" or "OMG HOMOPHOBE" as an attempt to label and guilt trip me to accepting 2 guys ramming each other all day long.
Don't just accept it, try it!!:D

(hey, can gay guys actually have sex non-stop for a whole day? Oh, why wasn't I born a gay man???)

Up for debate.

Not really. Read up on apartheid. Blacks were regulated to within an inch of their lives in nearly all areas. The only country with more pervasive control over its citizens during the apartheid era was probably the Soviet Union.

Still waiting for the explanation of why we should put aside the majoritys values and morals.

Because your morals don't matter for shit if it violates the constitution and remove rights from others.

Your morals do not get the ability to deny equal rights from others.

Your morals are, to put it simply, irrelevant.

Still waiting for the explanation of why we should put aside the majoritys values and morals.

Ah, tyrrany by the majority. Are the "majority's" values and morals so weakly grounded that they would be shaken and destroyed by the mere thought of two guys "ramming eachother all night"?

Northportland's existence single-handedly disproves intelligent design. Discuss

Still waiting for the explanation of why we should put aside the majoritys values and morals.
Because the Founders of the American system of government specifically designed things such that certain rights are not subject to majority vote. That's kind of the entire point of the US Constitution: there are certain rights that citizens can count on having, and the government doesn't get to fuck with them. Granted, it doesn't always work this way in practice, and there is some wiggle room, but the general point of the idea was that civil rights aren't something that the majority can vote away for the minority.

What's the problem? America's spiralling deficit? It's crime rate problems? The apparent inefficiencies in the political system? The war in Iraq?

Or was this some sort of problem somehow related to the proportion of "whites" in the US?

If you look at the cities with highest crime rate, the majority of the population is black.

More blacks are in jail then in college.

9% of blacks are unemployed. 6% Hispanics are unemployed and 4% whites are unemployed.

Keep in mind Im not a racist, my best friend is black. But I see a pattern here thats a little shocking,

While gay rights are civil rights, civil rights are not gay rights. So, can the histrionics, please.

Histronics are fun, and you know it.

civil rights is an umbrella term that coveres gay rights, minority rights, and women's rights, in general

I see. Thank you.

If the blacks had it soooooooooooo bad in the 60's then why dont they just return to africa? Oh, thats right, because its full of poor, aids infested savages.

aids happened in the 80's didn't it? and if you don't like Gay marriage why not just move to the Vatican city instead of discriminating "in the land of the free"

And no, slavery isnt needed anymore, but back then it helped bring our country up into power.

no slavery destroys the economy after all why hire workers when you can have as many slaves as you want for free

And 2 world wars brought America into power

Return to where Im from? Sorry, but my roots in America go back a couple hundred years. Nice try, though.

I like the use of "OMG BIGOT" or "OMG HOMOPHOBE" as an attempt to label and guilt trip me to accepting 2 guys ramming each other all day long.

You know, it always amuses me how the anti-gay folks are often so keen on vividly depicting gay sex. You'd almost think they liked imagining "2 guys ramming each other all day long," wouldn't you...?

I don't get the difference. Can you please explain?

Well, there's this thing call "grammar" which is a system of rules (and a study) of what is to be preferred and avoided in inflection and syntax. Syntax in turn is the way in which linguistic elements (as words) are put together to form constituents (as phrases or clauses). Me having changed the position of the two constituents "gay rights" and "civil rights" changes their meanings.

Clearer like that, or are you new to English?

Is slavery moral, no.

Is interracial marriage immoral? Well, in the 1960's America was 90% white. Now its 67% white and falling....I see a problem here....

In the 1400s it was 100% brown...so I see this 'change' as things going back to the way they should be.

[QUOTE=Neesika;11946700]Not good enough, immigrant. My roots go back tens of thousands of years. Seriously, citizenship revoked, get out.

Oh so your an injun? Hey buddy, we took your land fair and square. Be glad we didnt massacre you out of exsistance. I hope a WalMart gets built over your familys burial ground.

I like the use of "OMG BIGOT" or "OMG HOMOPHOBE" as an attempt to label and guilt trip me to accepting 2 guys ramming each other all day long.
If you find yourself spending a lot of time thinking about gay men having sex, doesn't that tell you something?

If you look at the cities with highest crime rate, the majority of the population is black.

More blacks are in jail then in college.

9% of blacks are unemployed. 6% Hispanics are unemployed and 4% whites are unemployed.

Keep in mind Im not a racist, my best friend is black. But I see a pattern here thats a little shocking,

Whether your statistics are right or wrong is irrelevant. Can you prove to me that the high crime rates and unemployment rates are attributable to their being black?

Still waiting for the explanation of why we should put aside the majoritys values and morals.

Nothing to do with that. Unless, of course, you'd care to sponsor an amendment to the Constitution that says, "Only heterosexual citizens of the United States may exercise the rights and privileges set forth in this Constitution. [Insert specific rights to be denied here]. In addition, in the first census made after the ratification of this article, all persons holding a sexual preference for members of their own gender shall be counted as three-fifths of a citizen for the purposes of apportioning representation."

That's a good start.

Still waiting for the explanation of why I get fewer rights than you.

Still waiting for the explanation of why we should put aside the majoritys values and morals.[/QUOTE]

Because the majority is occasionally wrong.

Still waiting for the explanation of why we should put aside the majoritys values and morals.

have any statistics for that majority?

Remember just because everyone in your posse goes queer bashing doesn’t mean they don’t support gay marriage (also tyranny by majority is not democracy)

Is slavery moral, no.

Is interracial marriage immoral? Well, in the 1960's America was 90% white. Now its 67% white and falling....I see a problem here....
It's official, he's a troll.
But on lack of common sense:
Less white people is not bad, it's neutral.

While gay rights are civil rights, civil rights are not gay rights. So, can the histrionics, please.

0+0+0>0+0+-1.
(That equation only works if South Africa has no other big gashs in its civil rights, though.)

Not really. Read up on apartheid. Blacks were regulated to within an inch of their lives in nearly all areas. The only country with more pervasive control over its citizens during the apartheid era was probably the Soviet Union.

Oh! You mean like Canadian Indians under the Indian Act!

Now I get it.

Wait...we still have that...hmmmm... *superiority over US falters*

If you look at the cities with highest crime rate, the majority of the population is black.

More blacks are in jail then in college.

9% of blacks are unemployed. 6% Hispanics are unemployed and 4% whites are unemployed.

Keep in mind Im not a racist, my best friend is black. But I see a pattern here thats a little shocking,

Funniest thing all day.

First it's OMG GAYS!!! Now it's OMG BLACKS!!!!

If you find yourself spending a lot of time thinking about gay men having sex, doesn't that tell you something?

It sure does.

*stifles a naughty giggle*

Oh! You mean like Canadian Indians under the Indian Act!

Now I get it.

Wait...we still have that...hmmmm... *superiority over US falters*

Point taken. I concede. *gives you a cookie*

I meant black/white segregation, though.

Keep in mind Im not a racist, my best friend is black.

Most. Cliched. Line. Ever (http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/).

Funniest thing all day.

First it's OMG GAYS!!! Now it's OMG BLACKS!!!!

Next it's OMG GAY BLACKS!!!!!!!

:p

Oh so your an injun? Hey buddy, we took your land fair and square. Be glad we didnt massacre you out of exsistance. I hope a WalMart gets built over your familys burial ground.

"fair and square"?
Your anscestors had GUNS.
They were fighting people who didn't have anything better then SPEARS.
Fair and square my ass.

Well, there's this thing call "grammar" which is a system of rules (and a study) of what is to be preferred and avoided in inflection and syntax. Syntax in turn is the way in which linguistic elements (as words) are put together to form constituents (as phrases or clauses). Me having changed the position of the two constituents "gay rights" and "civil rights" changes their meanings.

Clearer like that, or are you new to English?

Oooooooh....bad day, Fass?

Well, there's this thing call "grammar" which is system of rules (and a study) of what is to be preferred and avoided in inflection and syntax. Syntax in turn is the way in which linguistic elements (as words) are put together to form constituents (as phrases or clauses). Me having having changed the position of the two constituents "gay rights" and "civil rights" changes their meanings.

Clearer like that, or are you new to English?


I was wondering if there was a qualitative difference between the two terms other than the explanation already provided to me by someone else. Your response seems to indicate that you were merely being a grammer nazi, instead of adding to the debate.

So I would say that your response did not clarify anything, but thanks for responding.

Not good enough, immigrant. My roots go back tens of thousands of years. Seriously, citizenship revoked, get out.

Oh so your an injun? Hey buddy, we took your land fair and square. Be glad we didnt massacre you out of exsistance. I hope a WalMart gets built over your familys burial ground.

How moral of you. :)

It absolutely is.

Blowing up artwork is terrorism? Do you really believe that?

Most organized violence is directed at a strategic target, with the hopes of eliminating that asset for the sake of it's own elimination.

Sometimes. Not always. Quite often, organized violence also has the intention of making a symbolic point - take the Doolittle Raid on Japan during World War II, or the destruction of Saddam's palaces in the recent invasion of Iraq.

Consider also the role organized violence takes in counter-insurgency campaigns, even ones that are rather humane in their dealings with civilians; one major role is that of a deterrent. (Indeed, the threat of violence by law enforcement plays the same role.)

None of those encompass terrorism.

Al Qaeda didn't target the WTC and the Pentagon because of their importance to the US economy and military command structure, but because of what they stood for. American economic and military power were their targets, and the perception people around the world had regarding those two things.

Yes, but what made it terrorism was not that intention in and of itself; it was the fact that al-Qaeda was willing to target non-combatants in order to achieve their aims.

Another important difference between the WUO and al-Qaeda is that WUO did not attempt to incite fear among the population, but rather to lead by example (subscribing to the false belief that revolution was imminent, at least in the early years).

No, I'm saying it's irrelevant to their goals.

I don't understand what you're getting at, sorry.

Oh so your an injun? Hey buddy, we took your land fair and square. Be glad we didnt massacre you out of exsistance. I hope a WalMart gets built over your familys burial ground. You did not take, you were given sections of land to live on. And now, your Supreme Court is forcing you again and again to abide by the Treaties, and giving land stolen from us, back, costing you millions, and millions of dollars in the process.

By all means, visit one of our fabulous casinoes!

hahahahahahaaaaaaa....

[QUOTE=Neesika;11946700]Not good enough, immigrant. My roots go back tens of thousands of years. Seriously, citizenship revoked, get out.

Oh so your an injun? Hey buddy, we took your land fair and square. Be glad we didnt massacre you out of exsistance. I hope a WalMart gets built over your familys burial ground.

"Fair and square," my ass. And while we didn't "massacre them out of existence," we came down close, and we did commit unspeakably barbarous atrocities against them. Crack open a history book sometime, bub.

Oh so your an injun? Hey buddy, we took your land fair and square. Be glad we didnt massacre you out of exsistance. I hope a WalMart gets built over your familys burial ground.

well I’m British and you stole the west coast can I have it back now?

also raping and killing your way across the continent is hardly fair and square by any standard

You know, it always amuses me how the anti-gay folks are often so keen on vividly depicting gay sex. You'd almost think they liked imagining "2 guys ramming each other all day long," wouldn't you...?
Yeah, I've noticed that, too.

I accept that my parents have had sex. They've got two biological kids, so I know they've done it at least twice, and I accept this. However, I don't like to dwell on the specifics of the activities my parents may or may not have engaged in. Because of this, you really aren't going to see me routinely talking about the hot, sweaty mom-on-pop action going on in my parents' bedroom, since I don't really want to be thinking about those details.

Yet homophobes seem to really, really enjoy detailing all the "perversions" they so strongly oppose. It makes me suspect that homophobia is really just a subculture within the BDSM community, where the practitioners get off on how "dirty" and "perverted" their own desires are, and they like to subject themselves to "punishment" for their wicked, sinful lusts.

I was wondering if there was a qualitative difference between the two terms other than the explanation already provided to me by someone else. Your response seems to indicate that you were merely being a grammer nazi, instead of adding to the debate.

So I would say that your response did not clarify anything, but thanks for responding.

Ah, you are new to English, then.

You did not take, you were given sections of land to live on. And now, your Supreme Court is forcing you again and again to abide by the Treaties, and giving land stolen from us, back, costing you millions, and millions of dollars in the process.

By all means, visit one of our fabulous casinoes!

hahahahahahaaaaaaa....

Let's not forget who gave who tobacco and cocaine. ;)

Oooooooh....bad day, Fass?

None of your beeswax.

I don't mean to be a dick, but Soheran and Andaluciae, please continue your Weathermen debate elsewhere, as it's not related to this thread. Thanks.

Let's not forget who gave who tobacco and cocaine. ;)

Yeah ... reminds me of a cartoon I saw years and years ago that showed a couple of 16th century explorers sitting with some Indians smoking pipes, and one says to the other, "Look, if it turns out to be bad for us we can just quit, right?"

"fair and square"?
Your anscestors had GUNS.
They were fighting people who didn't have anything better then SPEARS.
Fair and square my ass.
Hey now, I'm going to have to stick my foot up your ass for this, good intentions or not. It was not superior technology, nor inherent awesomeness that gave the Europeans the advantage...you would never have gained a foothold here long enough to fortify and make an attack if we didn't let you. Europeans depended on us for their survivial and were never here in enough numbers to overwhelm us until much later. Disease, my friend, was our enemy, not guns.

A bit of dumb luck, really, followed by a systematic taking-advantage-of-the-situation genocide of the survivors.

Look into it...your version is as offensive as his, sorry to say.

Yeah, I've noticed that, too.

I accept that my parents have had sex. They've got two biological kids, so I know they've done it at least twice, and I accept this. However, I don't like to dwell on the specifics of the activities my parents may or may not have engaged in. Because of this, you really aren't going to see me routinely talking about the hot, sweaty mom-on-pop action going on in my parents' bedroom, since I don't really want to be thinking about those details.

Yet homophobes seem to really, really enjoy detailing all the "perversions" they so strongly oppose. It makes me suspect that homophobia is really just a subculture within the BDSM community, where the practitioners get off on how "dirty" and "perverted" their own desires are, and they like to subject themselves to "punishment" for their wicked, sinful lusts.

NO one likes to know what there Mum and Dad get up to in there Room and that goes for Old people too

NO one likes to know what there Mum and Dad get up to in there Room and that goes for Old people too
But, surprisingly, there is no organized movement to ban Mom and Dad from marrying, or to ban old people from marrying.

Fancy that. We can think it's icky for certain people to be doing the nasty, and yet we still think they deserve to have the right to marry.

Oh! You mean like Canadian Indians under the Indian Act!

Now I get it.

Wait...we still have that...hmmmm... *superiority over US falters*

If natives had the Indian Act entirely repealed in one generation like the blacks in South Africa, would they also have helped to form a society that is so supportive of human rights? I do not know, but Canada's treatment of natives is very similar to apartheid in South Africa. However, in Canada the transition from near slave to full citizen for natives has been much slower, and in my opinion, more susceptible to corruption.

Ah, you are new to English, then.

Pick on someone who isn't as wonderful as gift-to-god, m'kay? Bitchy bitchy.

But, surprisingly, there is no organized movement to ban Mom and Dad from marrying, or to ban old people from marrying.

...yet.

;)

None of your beeswax.

Well it's not like I actually care anyway :P

But, surprisingly, there is no organized movement to ban Mom and Dad from marrying, or to ban old people from marrying.

Fancy that. We can think it's icky for certain people to be doing the nasty, and yet we still think they deserve to have the right to marry.

I think old people should be forbidden to marry. They should spend their declining years declining decently, not humping like geriatric rabbits.

Your "partner" LOL UR GAY HAHAHA

Do you think before you post?

And it is now official:

The United States is worse on civil rights than South Africa. SOUTH FUCKING AFRICA. The nation that maintained apartheid until 1990.

Sigh.
ROFL @America. Keep fighting the good fight Bottle.

gay marriage?

Yeah, 1 part out of the 50.
Is different from civil partnerships. SA doesn't allow same-sex marriage (SSM)either.

i pray to GOD that fag marriage is never allowed in my country

or else its time to

:mp5:
This troll shall be fed with ciggarettes.


I dont want our society to decline into a moralless state.
Neither does anyone, but there are no good arguments to the point that same-sex marriage will damage the morality of society.

I just took a look at my first post on NSG...I was soooooooooo cute back then!

It was even in an MKULTRA thread, those were classic and awesome!
Were you formerly a Bushevik/neocon/Republican?

Nkosi sikilele Afrika! (sp?) Woohoo!!!!
However, I think my South African expat friend who is Christian wouldn't be too happy bout this... Who knows.
I am a Christian, but I don't consider SSM to be damaging. If we allow gay people to be equal, they are more likely to view Christians as friends, not enemies, and thus they are more likely to listen to us.

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

How can somebody be this ignorant? Socialism has nothing to do with gay people. There's nothing patriotic about banning SSM.

But, surprisingly, there is no organized movement to ban Mom and Dad from marrying, or to ban old people from marrying.

Fancy that. We can think it's icky for certain people to be doing the nasty, and yet we still think they deserve to have the right to marry.

thats the human race for you
we dont know what we want most times

Pick on someone who isn't as wonderful as gift-to-god, m'kay? Bitchy bitchy.

Find someone else to protect shoddily, hmmkay? Meeky, meeky.

Well it's not like I actually care anyway :P

Precisely.

Do you think at all?

Fixed. :D

If natives had the Indian Act entirely repealed in one generation like the blacks in South Africa, would they also have helped to form a society that is so supportive of human rights? I do not know, but Canada's treatment of natives is very similar to apartheid in South Africa. However, in Canada the transition from near slave to full citizen for natives has been much slower, and in my opinion, more susceptible to corruption.

No, I don't think repealing the Indian Act in one generation would cause a general level of support for human rights. One, because we ourselves do not support a repeal of this Act without some substantial replacements set up first, and two, because Canadians will not accept until much, much later that apartheid actually exists, and are convinced that our insistance on cultural sovereignty is the REAL apartheid.

Even had it been repealed back when it was the worst, little note would have been made of its disappearance. I think it's a population issue as well.

I think old people should be forbidden to marry. They should spend their declining years declining decently, not humping like geriatric rabbits.

Cause stoping marrige does not stop sex

Oh so your an injun? Hey buddy, we took your land fair and square. Be glad we didnt massacre you out of exsistance. I hope a WalMart gets built over your familys burial ground.
You think rape, murder and conquest are good? And you want to talk about a moral society?

I think old people should be forbidden to marry. They should spend their declining years declining decently, not humping like geriatric rabbits.
Also working for sub-minimum wage as Walmart greeters.

Cause stoping marrige does not stop sex

In fact, observations indicate the opposite is true. :)

Precisely.

WhatEVER!

Drama queen.

You know I love you, even when you're a bitch.

No, wait...ESPECIALLY.

Cause stoping marrige does not stop sex

WHAT?!?!?! :eek: You mean people ... have ... sex ... without being ... MARRIED!?!?! Does the President know about this? Does the Pope? :eek:

Also working for sub-minimum wage as Walmart greeters.

LMAO

Sorry, that just struck me as funny. :D

In fact, observations indicate the opposite is true. :)
My buddy and I once went to a Pride rally with signs that said, "End Gay Sex: Support Gay Marriage!" Soooo many laughs. :D

WHAT?!?!?! :eek: You mean people ... have ... sex ... without being ... MARRIED!?!?! Does the President know about this? Does the Pope? :eek:

lol

WhatEVER!
Drama queen.
You know I love you, even when you're a bitch.
No, wait...ESPECIALLY.

This is me oh, so verklempt. Run along now.

I don't know...supporting gays is so passé. They don't grovel at our heterosexual feet in thanks quite nearly enough. The 'thrill' of championing this underdog has faded. I think I'll find some other disadvantaged group to speak for. Maybe polygamists? Or appalachian rednecks?

This is me oh, so verklempt. Run along now.

Yes dear.

My buddy and I once went to a Pride rally with signs that said, "End Gay Sex: Support Gay Marriage!" Soooo many laughs. :D

YAY! :D

I think of something Chris Rock said about gays: "Can't get married and can't be in the military. Who has it better than that?"

Blowing up artwork is terrorism? Do you really believe that?

Absolutely. It's an act of violence designed to change behavior.


Sometimes. Not always. Quite often, organized violence also has the intention of making a symbolic point - take the Doolittle Raid on Japan during World War II, or the destruction of Saddam's palaces in the recent invasion of Iraq.

Consider also the role organized violence takes in counter-insurgency campaigns, even ones that are rather humane in their dealings with civilians; one major role is that of a deterrent. (Indeed, the threat of violence by law enforcement plays the same role.)

None of those encompass terrorism.

I believe I left out my definitional qualifier of the fact that terrorism is an action that is carried out by a non-state entity. Actions that are carried out by a state entity are a different definitional category.



Yes, but what made it terrorism was not that intention in and of itself; it was the fact that al-Qaeda was willing to target non-combatants in order to achieve their aims.
Their goal in targeting non-combatants, though, was not to kill the people, but to scare other non-combatants into thinking "OMGLOLZORZ, they might come after me next, let's invade Iraq!!!!!!!!"

More than that, they're desired audience was not so much the US as it was the population of the greater Middle East and the Islamic Umma. They wanted to create a banner under which the peoples of the Muslim world could rally, and they figured that if they can do this violent act, it will show their strength, and attract converts to their credo.

Another important difference between the WUO and al-Qaeda is that WUO did not attempt to incite fear among the population, but rather to lead by example (subscribing to the false belief that revolution was imminent, at least in the early years).
They attempted to change behavior through acts of violence.




I don't understand what you're getting at, sorry.

That, definitionally, a terrorist does not need to kill anybody.

I actually rather dislike the word terrorist because it is so emotionally loaded. I want a bland, social-sciency, emotionally neutral term to describe these folks, and it's tough to find.

I don't know...supporting gays is so passé. They don't grovel at our heterosexual feet in thanks quite nearly enough. The 'thrill' of championing this underdog has faded. I think I'll find some other disadvantaged group to speak for. Maybe polygamists? Or appalachian rednecks?

Post a picture of your feet, darlin', and we'll think about it.

Back to the subject of same-sex unions and all, look at it this way, quite a few of our allies don't allow them, either, such as, oh, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, the Gulf States, Vatican City, Russia, Uzhbekistan, Kazakhistan, Afghanistan, so, you know, the US should statnd firm with those allies, right? Otherwise you know who wins.

Were you formerly a Bushevik/neocon/Republican?


Up until the middle of high school I was. I've been changed by these forums, growing up, college and a whole bundle of other factors. But I think, primarily, the seeds of libertarian ideas were in me even then, they were just being expressed poorly.

Post a picture of your feet, darlin', and we'll think about it.

Back to the subject of same-sex unions and all, look at it this way, quite a few of our allies don't allow them, either, such as, oh, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, the Gulf States, Vatican City, Russia, Uzhbekistan, Kazakhistan, Afghanistan, so, you know, the US should statnd firm with those allies, right? Otherwise you know who wins.

oh no not the little green ailens

Absolutely. It's an act of violence designed to change behavior.
Terrorism doesn't have to kill or even injure people, but it must be political in is goals.

Terrorism doesn't have to kill or even injure people, but it must be political in is goals.

Absolutely.

civil rights is an umbrella term that coveres gay rights, minority rights, and women's rights, in general
You're right about the umbrella term, but I'd just like to add that civil rights are, in fact, not the 'special groups' or 'minority' rights you make them sound to be, but in fact rights that apply to every single citizen in a specific country- say, the right to vote, the right to a fair trial, the right to free speech, etc.

Well, there's this thing call "grammar" which is a system of rules (and a study) of what is to be preferred and avoided in inflection and syntax. Syntax in turn is the way in which linguistic elements (as words) are put together to form constituents (as phrases or clauses). Me having changed the position of the two constituents "gay rights" and "civil rights" changes their meanings.

Clearer like that, or are you new to English?

Such a good objection, and such a stupid explanation to a question. Don't go ruin your own line, there.

P.S. Did anyone notice the small back door out?

However, some gay rights activists have also criticised the bill, because it gives officials the right not to perform same-sex wedding ceremonies if this would conflict with their "conscience, religion and belief".
So, screw the applause for the new 'rights' and make it into a 'new option, maybe coming to a registry office near you someday soon'.

oh no not the little green ailens

Them, too. I was thinking of the six-foot Arab with the kidney problem that we haven't been able to catch for the last five years.

If you look at the cities with highest crime rate, the majority of the population is black.

More blacks are in jail then in college.

9% of blacks are unemployed. 6% Hispanics are unemployed and 4% whites are unemployed.

Keep in mind Im not a racist, my best friend is black. But I see a pattern here thats a little shocking,

Do you visit Stormfront on a daily basis? You seem like the type...

Them, too. I was thinking of the six-foot Arab with the kidney problem that we haven't been able to catch for the last five years.

i jsut dont like to think of him *moving along*

If you look at the cities with [the] highest crime rate, the majority of the population is black.

More blacks are in jail then in college.

9% of blacks are unemployed. 6% Hispanics are unemployed and 4% whites are unemployed.

Keep in mind Im not a racist, my best friend is black. But I see a pattern here thats a little shocking,

Do you visit Stormfront on a daily basis? You seem like the type...

Stormfront but not English class. How grammar National Socialist of me.

Your best friend is black? How open-minded of you. Would you let him marry your sister?

Do you visit Stormfront on a daily basis? You seem like the type...

Eew...Stormfront.

*hurls*

Up until the middle of high school I was. I've been changed by these forums, growing up, college and a whole bundle of other factors. But I think, primarily, the seeds of libertarian ideas were in me even then, they were just being expressed poorly.
How a young person can be a neocon is beyond my understanding; please explain.

How a young person can be a neocon is beyond my understanding; please explain.

The 'rents, and how I was socialized in my family.

You gotta remember that most peoples views and beliefs are heavily influenced by their family.

How a young person can be a neocon is beyond my understanding; please explain.

You don't know my classmates. Born aged 45, some of em.

You don't know my classmates. Born aged 45, some of em.

I know some people 15 or 20 years younger than me who are the same way. What's the quote, "If you are young and not liberal, you have no heart. If you are old and not conservative, you have no brains." I personally still go with my heart, thinking that while there are things to conserve there are just as many if not more that we can do better in this world.

And the US has sadly not been on the cutting edge in advancing the rights of minorities. Czarist Russia did away with its equivalent of slavery before we did and they didn't need to kill half a million people to do it. Maybe being a republic we needed the internal violence, whereas Russia had the Czar to wave his pen and slavery was gone.

1) not everyone on the internet is American!!! (like me:eek: )

I'm questioning if I even want to be American anymore

2) communism =/= socialism

True, but they both end in "ism"! What now!?

3) what’s wrong with socialism :mad:

I'm growing more socialist by the day. Fear me America!

4) never understood the American obsession with the constitution

Something to do with the lost 11th Amendment in the Bill of Rights stating it's our right to annex your country or something along those lines. It's not really binding, I don't see why we're all bitchy about it.

When I read this I felt sad. I'm not sure how much more of this secularization for the sake of "modern society" Allah will accept before we feel some repercussions. I hope this trend doesnt continue. *sigh*

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

Sounds like my idea of paradise. :D


I seem to have missed the troll... what a shame.

When I read this I felt sad. I'm not sure how much more of this secularization for the sake of "modern society" Allah will accept before we feel some repercussions. I hope this trend doesnt continue. *sigh*

Boo hoo.

My god, the great GNOME-ON-MY-NEIGHBOUR'S-LAWN fully supports homosexual unions. GOMNL wins!

Sounds like my idea of paradise. :D


I seem to have missed the troll... what a shame.

But you didn't miss much, Cabra. We should have known from the :mp5: in his very first post where he was going.

But you didn't miss much, Cabra. We should have known from the :mp5: in his very first post where he was going.

We did, we just felt like playing.

When I read this I felt sad. I'm not sure how much more of this secularization for the sake of "modern society" Allah will accept before we feel some repercussions. I hope this trend doesnt continue. *sigh*

Not for the sake of a modern society more than just the quest for a secular society. After all, Israel has a good mix of faith and modernity; most Western nations just do away with the former.

Sounds like my idea of paradise. :D

Paradisicality (is that even a word?) would imply participation.

Paradisicality (is that even a word?) would imply participation.

Or maybe Cabra likes to watch. :p And isn't that "Paradisicality-expialidocious"?

When I read this I felt sad. I'm not sure how much more of this secularization for the sake of "modern society" Allah will accept before we feel some repercussions. I hope this trend doesnt continue. *sigh*

If it's the title of 'better troll than the previous one in the thread' is what you're after; here you go. Happy now? :]

If it's the title of 'better troll than the previous one in the thread' is what you're after; here you go. Happy now? :]

Nah, Soviestan is a new convert, so I suppose he's entitled to a few wet-blanket posts. I do hope he'll outgrow the impulse to rain on parades.

Or maybe Cabra likes to watch. :p

Maybe, but for some of us, mere observation does not suffice.

Maybe, but for some of us, mere observation does not suffice.

I quite agree.

I guess Northportland doesn't like us anymore. Oh, well, I really do have work to do today.

We did, we just felt like playing.

Yep, and I didn't get to play along.
Relying to the posts now would feel too much like nekrophilia.

Or maybe Cabra likes to watch. :p And isn't that "Paradisicality-expialidocious"?

Cabra does have a weakness for gay porn :D

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.

Yeah, bloody communists, how dare they ask for change in a democratic society?!
And questioning what they are told? Bah!

Yeah lets make that line at the point of concenting adults

Well, until the age of consent is ripped apart by ageism laws... and the retirement ago...

are there communist terrorists?

Well... there were people who terrorised communists if thats what you mean.... coincidently they were american funded...

Whats moral is whats already whats been laid down in our society. We dont need to change anything. Most people are against gay marriage, and it goes against the major religion of the people here, so no.

Unless you want to be walking down the street and see 2 guys :fluffle: in every corner.

Dont really care, and im about a thousand times more likely to be walking down a street and see a straight couple ":fluffle:" which isnt much different now is it?

If the blacks had it soooooooooooo bad in the 60's then why dont they just return to africa? Oh, thats right, because its full of poor, aids infested savages.

And no, slavery isnt needed anymore, but back then it helped bring our country up into power.

...Yeah... im guessing that was a joke, but hardly any africans actually could get back to africa, and those who did would have no-where to go
Yeah, slavery isnt needed anymore... well apart from the people trapped in poverty, and the people who work for next to nothing in foreign countries to give us all the nice stuff we have....

Although i must admit, selling slaves to america made us british bloody rich:D

If you look at the cities with highest crime rate, the majority of the population is black.

More blacks are in jail then in college.

9% of blacks are unemployed. 6% Hispanics are unemployed and 4% whites are unemployed.

Keep in mind Im not a racist, my best friend is black. But I see a pattern here thats a little shocking,

Er, yeah, maybe because people like you choose the white guy 9/10 times

I believe I left out my definitional qualifier of the fact that terrorism is an action that is carried out by a non-state entity. Actions that are carried out by a state entity are a different definitional category.

Meh, just a means for america to justify itself having the moral highground

Their goal in targeting non-combatants, though, was not to kill the people, but to scare other non-combatants into thinking "OMGLOLZORZ, they might come after me next, let's invade Iraq!!!!!!!!"

Actually i'd have thought it would be something like trying to get recognition, i dont think they wanted to start a war, but what do i know?

More than that, they're desired audience was not so much the US as it was the population of the greater Middle East and the Islamic Umma. They wanted to create a banner under which the peoples of the Muslim world could rally, and they figured that if they can do this violent act, it will show their strength, and attract converts to their credo.

Yeah, terrorism recruitment has increased loads since 9/11, i dont get how blowing up buildings and killing so many people convinces muslims that they're in the right :(

They attempted to change behavior through acts of violence.

That, definitionally, a terrorist does not need to kill anybody.

Although people say that, death and destruction are more-a-less the only means to do it, im wondering if mass-suicide is defined as terrorism? or burning american flags?

I actually rather dislike the word terrorist because it is so emotionally loaded. I want a bland, social-sciency, emotionally neutral term to describe these folks, and it's tough to find.

Yeah, if you call them freedom fighters then you're just slammed as a terrorist sympathiser though, maybe something along the lines of "determined demonstrators"?

Terrorism doesn't have to kill or even injure people, but it must be political in is goals.

Does it? Im not sure about that, you can love your country but blow up something just because you dont like a group of people... i guess its still slightly political though....

I know some people 15 or 20 years younger than me who are the same way. What's the quote, "If you are young and not liberal, you have no heart. If you are old and not conservative, you have no brains." I personally still go with my heart, thinking that while there are things to conserve there are just as many if not more that we can do better in this world.

*sigh* the only people who are allowed to be communists, nazis or anarchists are middle-aged men :(
Although being a communist myself, and having a very-nazi like freind, and an anarchist freind i'd have to argue

Congratulations, South Africa! Now when is France going to stop lagging behind?

Still, we have the PACS, which is a step in the right direction... And how many other countries would elect an openly gay man as mayor of their capital city? :)

Congratulations, South Africa! Now when is France going to stop lagging behind?

Still, we have the PACS, which is a step in the right direction... And how many other countries would elect an openly gay man as mayor of their capital city? :)

when you stop turning your noses up at us all

Congratulations, South Africa! Now when is France going to stop lagging behind?

Still, we have the PACS, which is a step in the right direction... And how many other countries would elect an openly gay man as mayor of their capital city? :)

1. Germany.

Cabra does have a weakness for gay porn :D

Indeed? ;)

Indeed? ;)

A quite distinct one, actually. Straight porn just doesn't have many really cute male actors.... :D

A quite distinct one, actually. Straight porn just doesn't have many really cute male actors.... :D

Ah, I see. Yes, that's probably true (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_jeremy).

Not for the sake of a modern society more than just the quest for a secular society. After all, Israel has a good mix of faith and modernity; most Western nations just do away with the former.

I dont think Israel is a good example of anything.

when you stop turning your noses up at us all

Who are you, and where are you from? And why should we stop? Hmmmph. :p


1. Germany.

Good for Germany. This thread is helping restore some of my faith in humanity (and democracy, for that matter).

Who are you, and where are you from? And why should we stop? Hmmmph. :p



Good for Germany. This thread is helping restore some of my faith in humanity (and democracy, for that matter).

iam a Australian the ones you like as we help you WW1
now you turn your nose up at us and you said you were only going to do that to all the other Nations ;)

Maybe, but for some of us, mere observation does not suffice.
lol, I love this post. Subtly kinky.

Road closed folks. I think this thread has suffered enough hijacking and trolling. And speaking of trolling...

i pray to GOD that fag marriage is never allowed in my country

or else its time to

:mp5:

Advocating criminal activity, trolling homosexuals.

Oh my god, what a bunch of Communists. Dont change the constitution to push your socialist agenda.

you guys need a crash course in Patriotism.

Trolling.

Your "partner" LOL UR GAY HAHAHA

Trolling homosexuals.

If the blacks had it soooooooooooo bad in the 60's then why dont they just return to africa? Oh, thats right, because its full of poor, aids infested savages.

And no, slavery isnt needed anymore, but back then it helped bring our country up into power.

Trolling Africans and African-Americans.

Oh so your an injun? Hey buddy, we took your land fair and square. Be glad we didnt massacre you out of exsistance. I hope a WalMart gets built over your familys burial ground.

Trolling Native Americans.

Congratulations. You just managed to troll a surprisingly large amount of the world's population. You also managed to make half of your posts here rule-breaking offenses. An impressive record.

As a reward for your efforts, I'm giving you an Official Warning, and as an absolutely free bonus prize, a 3-day vacation to the lovely pastures of the rest of the internet.

I advise you to not come back from the free vacation unless you're willing to read the rules, follow them, and post your opinion without trolling.

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