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Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

Should this rule be allowed?

in loco parentis. Sucks don't it?

Ehh, you're minors, not much you can do.

My school did the whole PDA thing when I was there. It was enforced for awhile then drifted off again.

Lol

Seems a bit arbitrary, Pancake but what are you gonna do? And anyway, I thought you were quits with this guy? Or is this a new one?

That's a giant pile of bullshit.

I say you get all your friends to hug the principal whenever you see the guy. He should not be able to leave his office without getting hugged.

Welcome to age 17 and below. You have no rights except those granted by us adults. You're effectively slaves.

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

NO IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED! Not that I do that at my school, anyway.

SCHOOL SHOULD NOT GET IN THE WAY OF FRIENDSHIP\LOVE\WHATEVER IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!

Bah! If I'm not getting any hugs then no one should!

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

We've had a similar rule at my school for the whole time I've been in high school. As I've said before, seeing people kiss disgusts me, but I don't think hugging should be against the rules.

Meh, personally I think it's excessive but I really doubt there's anything you can do about it. And I thought you and your boyfriend had broken up?

Didn't you just break up with your boyfriend? :confused:

You dont sound too pitiful. High schools can make nearly any rule they want as long as they can prove that it will benifit the level of education. Good luck to anyone that wants to stop teenagers from following the commands of their hormones though.

That's a giant pile of bullshit.

I say you get all your friends to hug the principal whenever you see the guy. He should not be able to leave his office without getting hugged.

Haha. Hugging is dirty:eek:

That's a giant pile of bullshit.

I say you get all your friends to hug the principal whenever you see the guy. He should not be able to leave his office without getting hugged.

I think that's a very good idea.
Or else organise a hug-in... all students get together and hug each other as a sign of protest :D

just like China!

and thank God I'm European and not in school (though why not just make the bells go earlier is a mystery)

more reasons why we should start a world-wide strike against these schools.

NO IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED! Not that I do that at my school, anyway.

SCHOOL SHOULD NOT GET IN THE WAY OF FRIENDSHIP\LOVE\WHATEVER IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!

And probably the adults who thought this up would say that friendships/relationships, especially since they are often so fleeting at that age, should not get in the way of education.

I personally think this is stupidly excessive, and that the only folks they should be bagging for detention are -- surprise -- those late to class or cutting class. If it's because of their PDAs, then that's their lookout.

NO IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED! Not that I do that at my school, anyway.

SCHOOL SHOULD NOT GET IN THE WAY OF FRIENDSHIP\LOVE\WHATEVER IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!

Let them do it outside.

School is a place for education, nothing more. I promise you many places of business have equal rules

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?
unfortunatly, they can make the rules. Fortunately, once off of school property, you are not obligated to follow their rules.

Let them do it outside.

School is a place for education, nothing more. I promise you many places of business have equal rules

I think this happened before class.

Thank God. I had to deal with enough hormone-crazed kids blocking the hallway and the lockers when I was in school.

I think this happened before class.

which is why, to my understanding, he wasn't punished. Though somewhat irrelevant, if your on school property you adhere to school rules. It just so happened the rule didn't come into force until 3 minutes after.

Yes because we all know that those High School relationships are just going to last forever, and y'all will have a bunch of kids and be happy forever and ever!

*snickers*
*laughs out loud*

Get real, the school is a place of education, not for a make-out party. Kiss, Hug, and grope your boyfriend on your own time.

Oh and FYI: the work place has similar rules.

Let them do it outside.

School is a place for education, nothing more. I promise you many places of business have equal rules

Very few places of business (in fact, none that I know of) are going to reprimand anyone for hugging on company property before work or during breaks (which would be the closest equivalent to before school and between classes).

If students get up to hug in the middle of class and disrupt things, by all means, turn them in for disrupting class. If two students start feeling each other up or having sex in the hallway or bathrooms, by all means, make that against the rules and reprimand them. But if two students hug? Are you kidding me?

Let them do it outside.

School is a place for education, nothing more. I promise you many places of business have equal rules

But at my school, the rules are against hugging or kissing outside in the courtyard or the outdoor hallways, too. I'm just wondering, do other schools not have outdoor hallways and courtyards? And I think that it looks gross, but the rule is still a little excessive for outside, anyway.

Yes because we all know that those High School relationships are just going to last forever, and y'all will have a bunch of kids and be happy forever and ever!

*snickers*
*laughs out loud*

Get real, the school is a place of education, not for a make-out party. Kiss, Hug, and grope your boyfriend on your own time.

Oh and FYI: the work place has similar rules.

Before School, between classes, and lunch break is your own time. I can see someone pollitely asking you not to hug but punishing them for it is XS

But at my school, the rules are against hugging or kissing outside in the courtyard or the outdoor hallways, too. I'm just wondering, do other schools not have outdoor hallways and courtyards? And I think that it looks gross, but the rule is still a little excessive for outside, anyway.

still school property.

Before School, between classes, and lunch break is your own time.

Not when you're still on school property.

Not when you're still on school property.

Yes it is.

Me and my girlfriend have actually been extremely affectionate in public to protest that sort of rule.

We've gotten into trouble a few times, but nothing too major.

But at my school, the rules are against hugging or kissing outside in the courtyard or the outdoor hallways, too. I'm just wondering, do other schools not have outdoor hallways and courtyards? And I think that it looks gross, but the rule is still a little excessive for outside, anyway.yep... and those open halls and courtyards are still on SCHOOL PROPERTY. once off of school property, then go for it!



Before School, between classes, and lunch break is your own time. I can see someone pollitely asking you not to hug but punishing them for it is XS
no it's not YOUR TIME. it's just time between scheduled classes. some schools won't allow students off campus even during lunch. As long as you are on their property, they make the rules. (and that does extend to buses as well as school activities off campus.)

Seems a bit arbitrary, Pancake but what are you gonna do? And anyway, I thought you were quits with this guy? Or is this a new one?

It's a new guy.

And theres TRILLIONS of couples in the school that kiss and hug in the hallways. Are they going to put all 1200 of us in detention?

I'm all for no making out in the hallways, but hugging? Jeeze! Girls hug each other all the times and so do couples. :mad: Way too excessive.

But at my school, the rules are against hugging or kissing outside in the courtyard or the outdoor hallways, too. I'm just wondering, do other schools not have outdoor hallways and courtyards?

well officially school grounds extends quite far past the gates (though there were houses near all my school which baffles me) found that one out with smoking

And I think that it looks gross, but the rule is still a little excessive for outside, anyway.

hugging is gross?

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

Silly kids. Don't you know that hugging leads to smoking crack and not wearing seatbelts?

Gosh.

Yes it is.

as much as you wanna say so, wishing aint going to make it so. You can say that as much as you want, the law disagrees.

When you are ON SCHOOL PROPERTY and not accompanied by your parent, then the school acts in loco parentis. As long as you are on school grounds, the school has authority over you.

Yes it is.

No, it's not. I don't see how you could possibly conclude that it is.

still school property.

True. The rule would make me feel better if it were actually enforced and they didn't just play an announcement on Valentine's Day reminding everyone not to kiss or hug and then not visibly enforce it. I think it would actually make me feel safer if people weren't allowed to kiss, but hugs are different.

well officially school grounds extends quite far past the gates (though there were houses near all my school which baffles me) found that one out with smoking


Yes but no. Technically it's likely not "on school grounds", however there are crimes about doing certain things within so many feet of a school. For instance in many states the penalties for selling drugs is MUCH higher if done within 1000 feet of school property.

Does it also apply to same sex hugging? Because some of my friends are incredibly huggable; in fact they couldn't live without hugging. But, wow, I thought my school was bad! That's a terrible rule; granted I don't think that people should be all over each other in school (and by that I mean that I know a girl who is now pregnant with twins...) but hugging? Kissing even? That's just going to encourage some people to do it all the more. Or make up for it a little too much outside school.

Everyone in your school should start hugging and stuff. They're hardly going to be able to punish everyone, especially if they realise that their rule can't be enforced.

no it's not YOUR TIME. it's just time between scheduled classes. some schools won't allow students off campus even during lunch. As long as you are on their property, they make the rules. (and that does extend to buses as well as school activities off campus.)
Well their rule is silly

as much as you wanna say so, wishing aint going to make it so. You can say that as much as you want, the law disagrees.

When you are ON SCHOOL PROPERTY and not accompanied by your parent, then the school acts in loco parentis. As long as you are on school grounds, the school has authority over you.

American schools are crappy anyways. Kids have no rights at all. :mad:

And we're in freaking HIGH SCHOOL! Ages 14 to 18! Why do they feel the need to protect from the ickyness? :mad:

True. The rule would make me feel better if it were actually enforced and they didn't just play an announcement on Valentine's Day reminding everyone not to kiss or hug and then not visibly enforce it. I think it would actually make me feel safer if people weren't allowed to kiss, but hugs are different.

well that's more a problem with enforcement than the rule itself. While I agree it may be a tad excessive, it's still the school's perogative to enforce it.

hugging is gross?

No, not at all. Seeing people kiss is, though.

American schools are crappy anyways. Kids have no rights at all. :mad:

Welcome to being a minor. Wait 4 years, it'll get better. Then, if my mother is to be believed, when you have kids some day, you'll be glad for that.

And we're in freaking HIGH SCHOOL! Ages 14 to 18! Why do they feel the need to protect from the ickyness? :mad:

Prior to the age of 18 you are a minor, regardless of WHY they feel the need to, they can, and they chose to.

Beyond the age of 18 your attendance is voluntary, they can not force you to stay, but if you agree to stay you agree to be bound by those rules.

In addition, and while you hate to hear this, the fact that you are in "freaking high school" is more in favor of these kind of rules than against it. Hate to say it, but at that age, you're young, very young. And while you may think you're old, you're not really. One step up from a child mostly (and yes I know some folks mature faster than others, I'm speaking on averages).

Well their rule is silly

true. but it's their rule.

the best way to fight it? catch the facultiy breaking it. say two teachers hugging because of some great news... or a teacher hugging her husband during a sports game...

and when they say "it only applies to students" hit em with cries of discrimination! :D

as much as you wanna say so, wishing aint going to make it so. You can say that as much as you want, the law disagrees.

When you are ON SCHOOL PROPERTY and not accompanied by your parent, then the school acts in loco parentis. As long as you are on school grounds, the school has authority over you.

Yess but its your time. You can do all kinds a things you wouldn't be able to do at class time like chew gum, talk about TV shows with your friends. Doing these things in class disturbs education but during breaks there is no reason not to.

no it's not YOUR TIME. it's just time between scheduled classes. some schools won't allow students off campus even during lunch. As long as you are on their property, they make the rules. (and that does extend to buses as well as school activities off campus.)

It goes from school to school. It's sort of "our time" at mine but we still have to follow rules. And now we have to follow this one.

And besides, what's so bad about hugging and kissing? If you don't want to see it, follow these directions:
1) Close your eyes.
2)Turn your head
3) Talk to someone else nearby
4) If the two kids get all over each other liek rabbits, tell them off. If it's a simple hug or kiss ignore it.

We've had a similar rule at my school for the whole time I've been in high school. As I've said before, seeing people kiss disgusts me, but I don't think hugging should be against the rules.

if it disgusts you then dont look. if its legal now for gays to marry and carry out gay things and legal for sex after 16 then shouldnt schools encourage us to be in relationships.

not being able to hug is stupid. utterly stupid

It goes from school to school. It's sort of "our time" at mine but we still have to follow rules. And now we have to follow this one.

And besides, what's so bad about hugging and kissing? If you don't want to see it, follow these directions.

That is not your choice to make. Individuals who have legal authority over you have exercised that legal authority to create, and enforce a rule, pursuant to that legal authority.

Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not, love it or hate it, it's simply not your choice to make.

if it disgusts you then dont look. if its legal now for gays to marry and carry out gay things and legal for sex after 16 then shouldnt schools encourage us to be in relationships.

not being able to hug is stupid. utterly stupid

A school should neither encourage nor discourage, it is not the job of the school. And while it may be legal to have sex after 16, I assure you it's not legal to do so on school grounds.

Stupid or not, it's still the school's choice to make. They made it.

Welcome to being a minor. Wait 4 years, it'll get better. Then, if my mother is to be believed, when you have kids some day, you'll be glad for that.



Prior to the age of 18 you are a minor, regardless of WHY they feel the need to, they can, and they chose to.

Beyond the age of 18 your attendance is voluntary, they can not force you to stay, but if you agree to stay you agree to be bound by those rules.

In addition, and while you hate to hear this, the fact that you are in "freaking high school" is more in favor of these kind of rules than against it. Hate to say it, but at that age, you're young, very young. And while you may think you're old, you're not really. One step up from a child mostly (and yes I know some folks mature faster than others, I'm speaking on averages).

Yes, but it shows the hypocrisy of the American school system. In elementary school, it's "you're growing up". In middle school it's "You're an adult now." In high school however, it becomes "You're a little kid, Mommy and Daddy aren't here now so we teachers must protect you from the ickyness". :rolleyes:

A school should neither encourage nor discourage, it is not the job of the school. And while it may be legal to have sex after 16, I assure you it's not legal to do so on school grounds.

Stupid or not, it's still the school's choice to make. They made it.

We get it. They are the authority, they make the rules. But, is it a good rule?

We get it. They are the authority, they make the rules. But, is it a good rule?

*shrug* it's a legal rule, that's really all that matters. Anything else is superfluous. If the parents disagree, let them put pressure on the superintendant to change it.

We get it. They are the authority, they make the rules. But, is it a good rule?

No. It is not.

Anyways, I'm not talkign about sex, I'm talkign about plain and simple HUGGING.

Yes, but it shows the hypocrisy of the American school system. In elementary school, it's "you're growing up". In middle school it's "You're an adult now." In high school however, it becomes "You're a little kid, Mommy and Daddy aren't here now so we teachers must protect you from the ickyness". :rolleyes:

The bolded part is where I go "huh"?

Other than perhaps a little bit of emotional placating to appeas the youngers, "just look at you, you're so GROWN UP now!" how exactly are middle school students treated MORE like adults than highschool students? Some schools actually allow seniors (sometimes juniors) to leave school grounds during free periods, I promise you they don't do that in middle school.

True. The rule would make me feel better if it were actually enforced and they didn't just play an announcement on Valentine's Day reminding everyone not to kiss or hug and then not visibly enforce it. I think it would actually make me feel safer if people weren't allowed to kiss, but hugs are different.

What about people kissing puts you in danger, pray tell?

Meanwhile, I wonder what happens with this rule when a teacher hugs a student? After all, they are obviously trying to put across the idea that hugs=sexual play. As such, would they fire or even arrest a teacher who hugged a student for inappropriate behavior?

No. It is not.



"good, bad, I'm the one with the gun."

Good rule, bad rule, irrelevant. It's a legal rule...waddaya gonna do?

well that's more a problem with enforcement than the rule itself. While I agree it may be a tad excessive, it's still the school's perogative to enforce it.

That's true. Okay. It's just not enforced very well. I believe the first time someone gets caught they only receive a phone call to their parents, at the most.

if it disgusts you then dont look. if its legal now for gays to marry and carry out gay things and legal for sex after 16 then shouldnt schools encourage us to be in relationships.

not being able to hug is stupid. utterly stupid

Yes, it is stupid, but schools are not supposed to encourage relationships. Not everyone wants to have relationships. I would feel even more alienated than I do now if they further told us that people should want relationships. That would be bad.

Yes but no. Technically it's likely not "on school grounds", however there are crimes about doing certain things within so many feet of a school. For instance in many states the penalties for selling drugs is MUCH higher if done within 1000 feet of school property.

Yeah I know....This is what I say to the Girard Police Department :upyours:

Stupid little towns with their stupid 3 schools making the whole damn stupid town a school zone

What about people kissing puts you in danger, pray tell?

Meanwhile, I wonder what happens with this rule when a teacher hugs a student? After all, they are obviously trying to put across the idea that hugs=sexual play. As such, would they fire or even arrest a teacher who hugged a student for inappropriate behavior?

Ummm...in most places a teacher hugging a student, ever, is a severe "no no".

"good, bad, I'm the one with the gun."

Good rule, bad rule, irrelevant. It's a legal rule...waddaya gonna do?

If you were the school would you have made that rule?

If you were the school would you have made that rule?

*shrug*, dunno, I haven't thought about it, not in my job description. I assume that's why I'm not a school principal.

Yes, but it shows the hypocrisy of the American school system. In elementary school, it's "you're growing up". In middle school it's "You're an adult now." In high school however, it becomes "You're a little kid, Mommy and Daddy aren't here now so we teachers must protect you from the ickyness". :rolleyes:
I rather doubt the rule was put in place to "protect you from the ickyness." The intent was probably to keep things from getting in the way of your education.

That said, I doubt they're going to be giving warnings or detention to everyone they see hugging. Probably just the ones who are late/cutting class/etc.

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

No. But that goes to show how oppressive (and bureaucratic) the Liberal Left and the Christian Right really are.

What about people kissing puts you in danger, pray tell?

By almost making me throw up, I guess.


Meanwhile, I wonder what happens with this rule when a teacher hugs a student? After all, they are obviously trying to put across the idea that hugs=sexual play. As such, would they fire or even arrest a teacher who hugged a student for inappropriate behavior?

No, they wouldn't. My teacher hugged me once because I was distraught over a test grade in another class and she asked me if I wanted a hug after trying to make me feel better. I nodded, and so we hugged. Hugs seem more like comforting things than relationship things. Maybe that's why they don't disgust me as kissing does.

I'm not sure whether or not hugging is actually against the rules at my school. Kissing definitely is, but it just says, "Public Display of Affection" and doesn't really clarify.

"good, bad, I'm the one with the gun."

Good rule, bad rule, irrelevant. It's a legal rule...waddaya gonna do?

Ash as a principal... lol.

Ash as a principal... lol.

at least somebody got the reference.

Ummm...in most places a teacher hugging a student, ever, is a severe "no no".

No, it isn't. It is extremely common everywhere I've ever been. When a student does well, wins an award, etc., hugging is pretty much the norm, even in high school. In primary and elementary schools, a teacher who doesn't hug students is extremely abnormal.

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

course not, but then again... it isn't a rule at my school so.... besides it wasn't like you did anything major, i hug all my guy friends and that doesn't mean anything.....

It goes from school to school. It's sort of "our time" at mine but we still have to follow rules. And now we have to follow this one.it's time for you to manage on your own. like a Coffee break or Lunch Break at work. the key point is tho. that it's still on school property so...

If the two kids get all over each other liek rabbits, tell them off. If it's a simple hug or kiss ignore it.and when is that point? when hands wander? when hands wander inside clothes? only if hands wander and kissing is on lips? kissing anywhere but lips? no grinding? too fine a line to be made, and since people will be unhappy about it anyway...

easier to just say while on school campus, no hugging and kissing period.

Ummm...in most places a teacher hugging a student, ever, is a severe "no no".

Agreed. I have a strict "personal space" rule, and if I need to speak to a student privately it's either in the hallway (away from the ears of their classmates), in my classroom with the door open and us positioned so that the AP in the office across the hall can clearly see both of us NOT in contact, or in the office with other adults in view.

No, it isn't. It is extremely common everywhere I've ever been. When a student does well, wins an award, etc., hugging is pretty much the norm, even in high school. In primary and elementary schools, a teacher who doesn't hug students is extremely abnormal.

I dunno where you are, but in NY state at least, personal contact with a student in anything other then a VERY passing "pat on the shoulder, handshake" kinda thing is very much prohibited. Same as in CT. i can't speak for other states.

Agreed. I have a strict "personal space" rule, and if I need to speak to a student privately it's either in the hallway (away from the ears of their classmates), in my classroom with the door open and us positioned so that the AP in the office across the hall can clearly see both of us NOT in contact, or in the office with other adults in view.

But how will we ever make a sitcom about you if you don't allow for misunderstandings caused by the eavesdropping of pesky neighbors?

I dunno where you are, but in NY state at least, personal contact with a student in anything other then a VERY passing "pat on the shoulder, handshake" kinda thing is very much prohibited. Same as in CT. i can't speak for other states.

Eeek! Physical contact! Gettitoff!!! :eek:

That is a bit odd. Oh well, doesn't bother me. I have no luck with the opposite sex anyway :rolleyes:

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

What if you were hugging your friend because he/she had a bad day or something? This rule is stupid.

What if you were hugging your friend because he/she had a bad day or something? This rule is stupid.

You should hug a teacher! Bwahahahaha!

I dunno where you are, but in NY state at least, personal contact with a student in anything other then a VERY passing "pat on the shoulder, handshake" kinda thing is very much prohibited. Same as in CT. i can't speak for other states.

Sounds to me like the people who run the school systems in your state are idiots. Much like the idiots who made the rule mentioned in the OP, they are trying to suggest that hugs are necessarily somehow sexual, that all personal contact is inappropriate. What idiots.

Quite often, students will go to teachers with issues they feel they cannot bring to their parents or peers, especially if that teacher has had a good influence on them. If teachers are enforcing artificial distance, however, those students are left with nothing.

Many students need encouragement from their teachers when they succeed. A pat on the shoulder or a handshake is not going to convey the same thing as a hug.

Ummm...in most places a teacher hugging a student, ever, is a severe "no no".

No, it isn't. It is extremely common everywhere I've ever been. When a student does well, wins an award, etc., hugging is pretty much the norm, even in high school. In primary and elementary schools, a teacher who doesn't hug students is extremely abnormal.

We've been trained in NYC that hugging a student is a DEFINITE no-no. There's too much danger of being accused of touching inappropriately. To protect both the teacher and the student from rumors/accusations, we're not allowed to be completely alone with a student.

I break the hug rule at graduation -- if a kid wants to hug me in front of their parent, s'fine. Otherwise, no way -- I like working as a teacher.

You should hug a teacher! Bwahahahaha!

Um...no. Teacher-student hugging, etc, is strictly forbidden because they have a professional relationship. However, students and students should be okay because they're friends, as in have personally relationships.

They'll stop enforcing it after some kid gets detention for hugging his friend after someone dies I bet.

We've been trained in NYC that hugging a student is a DEFINITE no-no. There's too much danger of being accused of touching inappropriately. To protect both the teacher and the student from rumors/accusations, we're not allowed to be completely alone with a student.

I break the hug rule at graduation -- if a kid wants to hug me in front of their parent, s'fine. Otherwise, no way -- I like working as a teacher.

When you hug someone other than your SO, do you grab their breasts, crotch, or ass? If not, there is no logical danger of being accused of inappropriate touching from a hug. Like I said, they are trying to sexualize things that aren't sexual. Next thing you know, bumping into someone in the hall or accidently touching your students' hands while passing out papers is going to be "inappropriate touching". This type of rule makes equivalent sense with firing an art teacher for taking her students to an art museum because one of them might have seen a nude sculpture.

This type of policy also sends the message to kids (and parents) that their teachers are not to be trusted. Obviously, their teachers are all child molesters and pederasts, and thus need to be kept from temptation by not demonstrating even the smallest amount of affection for their students. It's ridiculous.

Meanwhile, such rules just keep teachers from having close relationships with their students, which will do nothing to aid education. The teachers I remember the most, those who had the greatest influence on my life, are those I was close to. If they had been standoffish, their influence would have been greatly reduced, and, come to think of it, I might be in a very different place in my life.


Um...no. Teacher-student hugging, etc, is strictly forbidden because they have a professional relationship. However, students and students should be okay because they're friends, as in have personally relationships.

Teacher-student relationships should not be confined to absolutely pure professional and standoffish. Teachers serve as mentors and role-models as much as they serve as educators. Removing that aspect is silly, and considering the amount of time we require children and teens to stay at school, most likely detrimental to social development.

Ah, getting ready for when China takes over, eh?

Probably a good move.

You can say all you want that it's ridiculous, but we've been told in no uncertain terms that it opens us up to being fired. Whether or not you avoid groping their breasts, buttocks, or groin, it has been deemed inappropriate to make body contact with a student -- and when you're hugging someone, torsos generally touch. That generally means that some of the areas you mentioned come into contact.

The union and the department of ed both prohibit it on the grounds that you can't be accused of child molestation if you do not come into close physical contact with a child.

You can say all you want that it's ridiculous, but we've been told in no uncertain terms that it opens us up to being fired. You can't be accused of child molestation if you do not come into close physical contact with a child.

Makes you wonder why children derail so very often these days. Maybe it has something to do with ever decreasing amount of physical contact?

Just a wild guess though.

You can say all you want that it's ridiculous, but we've been told in no uncertain terms that it opens us up to being fired. You can't be accused of child molestation if you do not come into close physical contact with a child.

I think we should have the same rule for parents. No hugging your children. If you don't touch them, you can't be accused of child molestation. After all, a child is much more likely to be molested at the hands of a parent than a teacher. Same for doctors/nurses/daycare workers/therapists/etc.

In fact, maybe the best thing for everyone would be if no one ever came in close physical contact with a child. No physical interaction at all.

:rolleyes:

I understand that they tell you to do this. I'm just pointing out that it is utterly ridiculous, and it does nothing but harm your relationship with your students that you have to treat them like touching them is "inappropriate".

There's too much violence in the world...
:mad: Ban hugging today! :mad:





...uh, no, I don't get it. Let the children hug. It's an innocent thing. Click the link to see :D

:fluffle: FREE HUGS FOR ALL!:fluffle: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4)

Bah, what's up with all this teenagers trying to show affection? The only physical sign of social interaction should be them beating each other up, everything above that must be forbidden. Just think of the children!

I think hugging should be ok, about kissing... maybe that could get them trouble or something...

unfortunatly, they can make the rules. Fortunately, once off of school property, you are not obligated to follow their rules.

Or can they? Probably not those stupid rules, but I remember our teachers informing the parents of any of their pupils that smoked, even if off school property and when not in class.

Once upon a time, I was largely opposed to putting children in private schools. i thought that was something that either the very religious or the stuck-up rich did.

The more I read and hear about current policies in public schools, however, the more I think I will *never* put any child of mine in a public school.

Blame the Supreme Court, who repeatedly decided that school basically own its students on campus and even to an extent off-campus.


In Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier (1987) the Supreme Court similarly ruled that "First Amendment rights of students in the public schools are not automatically coextensive with the rights of adults in other settings, and must be applied in light of the special characteristics of the school environment" and schools may censor school-sponsored publications (such as a school newspaper) if content is "...inconsistent with its basic educational mission." Other student issues, such as dress codes, have not yet been tested in the Supreme Court.

What do you expect from an institution made entirely of 50+ years plus senior citizens who are usually political apointees of Republican Presidents?

I work at the Department of Justice and what I just typed can be grounds for my dismissal, should I be identified with a person. Even through it wasn't within the scope of my work, go figure. Its all the same, even if you're an adult.

This rule is among the stupidest I've ever seen. When I was in high school there was only a vague rule about "close physical, amorous contact" under which hugging and maybe even light kissing didn't traditionally fall, and in practice one often got away with touching a girl's butt while hugging. This was in the late 1990's, in Ohio.

When I was a child in elementary and middle school (late 1980's - mid 1990's) it was quite common for a teacher to hug a student. There was nary a suggestion that it was anything but commonplace. Then again, this was central Ohio, I can't speak for NYC or wherever else.

Hell, today I'm in college, I'm 24 years old and a math major. I have a female math professor who sometimes pats me on the shoulder. There is nothing sexual going on, and nobody even thinks otherwise. Maybe it's the age gap (~50's - 60's), maybe it's a cross-cultural thing (she's Korean) but then again, she's been in the USA longer than I've been alive. Nobody thinks any the worse of her for it, and I don't think I'm the only one she does that to.

Rules against undue sexual advances are fine, blanket generalizations against physical contact are not. Ironically, I've been called into the dean's office for holding a girl's hand - and there's no specific rule against that. There are purse-snatchers with free run of the campus, a construction site with inadequate safety (a guy fell 25 feet to his death a few weeks ago), there are drunk and / or reckless drivers here and the campus police see fit to persecute someone for holding a girl's hand.

It's obscene.

My school has always been extremely lax about any rule that dosn't have to do with academics or violence, kissing and more are routine, even in front of teachers. I can't even imagine a school where hugging is banned. I can see kissing, I guess, but hugging? Thats just crazy.

Don't be afraid to speak out and make a fuss. Get a petition going, placards, organizations. There is no permanant record.

I raised enough hell in high school activism to get arrested twice for on-campus disruptions and I still made it into an Ivy League college. (And no, I didn't depend on connections to make it in.)

Hmm... sounds like a. Someone with the school administration and/or school board saw something and went balistic. Or b. "Concerned citizens" (Being either a parent who does not like their child's SO or someone who adores sticking his or her nose into other people buisness) called the school and raised hell.

Sadly, B is probably the most likely.

Oh, please. At my school, you can't even touch another person without getting yelled at. Get over it. You're at school.

Don't be afraid to speak out and make a fuss. Get a petition going, placards, organizations. There is no permanant record.

I raised enough hell in high school activism to get arrested twice for on-campus disruptions and I still made it into an Ivy League college. (And no, I didn't depend on connections to make it in.)

Don't the Ivies love stuff like on-campus disruptions? Stuff that makes you stand out?

A. We have been told time and again as teachers in high school not to hug students. The reasons for this are that if you are known to be physical with your students and one accuses you of inappropriate contact, it makes it a lot harder to fight the claim.

B. Our school has had a lot of trouble with boys beating each other up over relationships, usually because the ex-girlfriend of one has been flaunting her new boyfriend through PDA's in front of the ex. Simple solution: ban PDA's.

PDA's, including hugging, are also banned to protect the students. When hugging is abundant, many students feel pressured to participate, even when physical contact is discomforting to them. It also makes it easier for sexual harassment to take place unnoticed. It also leaves those students who don't intend to harass someone open for a lawsuit.

Ummm...in most places a teacher hugging a student, ever, is a severe "no no".

That hasn't been my experience at all. Heck, at my high school award ceremonies, the teacher presenting a given award would pretty much always hug the student receiving it, except in the rare cases where they hadn't had a class together and thus weren't closely acquainted. I certainly remember hugging teachers I particularly liked on several other occasions as well - for example, I'm sure that I hugged the faculty sponser for the school literary magazine when I graduated and thus resigned as its editor-in-chief. I know I hugged a favorite English teacher when I talked to him about my grandfather being diagnosed with cancer. These are the sort of circumstances under which normal people hug each other, after all.

Anti-hugging rules, whether applying to teachers or students, trouble me because the obvious implication is that hugging is somehow sexual, and that is, frankly, not only stupid but harmful. I hug my family, I hug my friends, and I can't imagine how lonely and emotionally stunted I would be if I had grown up feeling forbidden to hug anyone with whom I was not sexually involved.

Hmm...
My school hasn't gotten around to "PDA's" (people actually say that?), but they've banned grinding.

Probably because students were using it as an excuse to f*ck in the middle of the hallway. Ick.

1. Poor pancake...(again)
2. YOU START SCHOOL AT 0820?!?!?!? We start at 0726...

Anyway, WOW...in my school if you walk a few steps without seeing any...thing involving two mouths, consider yourself lucky.

1. Poor pancake...(again)
2. YOU START SCHOOL AT 0820?!?!?!? We start at 0726...

0720. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

No, I'm serious. Do it.

Hmm... sounds like a. Someone with the school administration and/or school board saw something and went balistic. Or b. "Concerned citizens" (Being either a parent who does not like their child's SO or someone who adores sticking his or her nose into other people buisness) called the school and raised hell.

Sadly, B is probably the most likely.

That's mainly why the Gay-Straight Alliance was very nearly banned. The ACLU was even ready to take that case (though it was passed).

Then again, I do live in a highly Southern Baptist area, where only the demon-children kiss and hug eacho other in the middle of the halway at a high school and have romantic interest in members of the same sex. :rolleyes:

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

PDAs can be distracting to others. There other considerations as well - for instance, because of the problems with sexual harassment lawsuits, the school (and by extension, the principle) could be held liable if anything at all is misinterpreted by someone else - and there are a number of people who don't have significant others who are envious and will cause trouble for the school and you because of PDAs.

You need to realize that this is place to protect you and the school from, among other things, frivolous lawsuits and parental backlash. Deal with it and remember, they can only stop you in school, you're perfectly free anywhere else no matter how offensive your PDA may be to others.

That hasn't been my experience at all. Heck, at my high school award ceremonies, the teacher presenting a given award would pretty much always hug the student receiving it, except in the rare cases where they hadn't had a class together and thus weren't closely acquainted. I certainly remember hugging teachers I particularly liked on several other occasions as well - for example, I'm sure that I hugged the faculty sponser for the school literary magazine when I graduated and thus resigned as its editor-in-chief. I know I hugged a favorite English teacher when I talked to him about my grandfather being diagnosed with cancer. These are the sort of circumstances under which normal people hug each other, after all.

Anti-hugging rules, whether applying to teachers or students, trouble me because the obvious implication is that hugging is somehow sexual, and that is, frankly, not only stupid but harmful. I hug my family, I hug my friends, and I can't imagine how lonely and emotionally stunted I would be if I had grown up feeling forbidden to hug anyone with whom I was not sexually involved.

I was incredibly freaked out about not being able to hug my grade 1 teacher. I came from a physically affectionate household and didn't understand why other kids didn't like to be hugged. But then, I never made up stories about my teachers propositioning me either.

Unfortunately, some students do tell lies. If a teacher is known for hugging a student, it is harder to dismiss.

Eeek! Physical contact! Gettitoff!!! :eek:

O mee gewd! t3h ICKYNESS!!!111!1111!1!!!!one!1 :mp5: :sniper:

0720. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

No, I'm serious. Do it.

On Fridays, I'm up at 5am to be at school by 6am.

PDAs can be distracting to others. There other considerations as well - for instance, because of the problems with sexual harassment lawsuits, the school (and by extension, the principle) could be held liable if anything at all is misinterpreted by someone else - and there are a number of people who don't have significant others who are envious and will cause trouble for the school and you because of PDAs.

You need to realize that this is place to protect you and the school from, among other things, frivolous lawsuits and parental backlash. Deal with it and remember, they can only stop you in school, you're perfectly free anywhere else no matter how offensive your PDA may be to others.

Oh me geez! Parental backlash!

...Actually, I take that back. Parental backlash is a deadly thing when in the hands of total morons who just so happen to have fully developed sexual organs. :eek:

On Fridays, I'm up at 5am to be at school by 6am.

I get up at 5 every day to be at school by 8. I'm just that dedicated ;) .

I get up at 5 every day to be at school by 8. I'm just that dedicated ;) .
I'm up at 6 to get to school at 7:45... of course I live a 15 minute walk away so... ;)

OH NOES!!! TEENAGERS ARE SHOWING EMOTION! WTF???


I post this, to show you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4

OH NOES!!! TEENAGERS ARE SHOWING EMOTION! WTF???

I know, I knoes! It's t3h ICKYNESS!111111!!!!!!111 It's sweeping America and it's all part of a liberal conspiracy to nuke Kansas! :eek:

But seriously, if you find hugging THAT offensive, you were apparently never hugged as a child.

I say, let them hug. :fluffle: :sniper:

I know, I knoes! It's t3h ICKYNESS!111111!!!!!!111 It's sweeping America and it's all part of a liberal conspiracy to nuke Kansas! :eek:

But seriously, if you find hugging THAT offensive, you were apparently never hugged as a child.

Some people weren't. Some people were abused by people they trusted. You can't know. Schools have to be a safe place for everyone. Theycan't pick and choose.

Some people weren't. Some people were abused by people they trusted. You can't know. Schools have to be a safe place for everyone. Theycan't pick and choose.
One word for you:
Panophobia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantophobia)
We have a medical condition here that it's impossible for schools to deal with.
Thus schools can't be safe for everyone and have to pick and choose.

And anyone who doesn't want to be hugged can ask not to be hugged, you know.

yeah, our school tried that, so kids started ahving actuall sex in the school (me included) they backed off.

so kids started ahving actuall sex in the school (me included)

You should have been expelled

That's mainly why the Gay-Straight Alliance was very nearly banned. The ACLU was even ready to take that case (though it was passed).

Then again, I do live in a highly Southern Baptist area, where only the demon-children kiss and hug eacho other in the middle of the halway at a high school and have romantic interest in members of the same sex. :rolleyes:

You are also an American? Which state?

One word for you:
Panophobia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantophobia)
We have a medical condition here that it's impossible for schools to deal with.
Thus schools can't be safe for everyone and have to pick and choose.

And anyone who doesn't want to be hugged can ask not to be hugged, you know.

They shouldn't have to ask. And for many teenagers in the situation I was referring to are too embarrassed to make a request or offer an explanation, so they put up with the feelings of fear and discomfort, rather than be excluded, isolated or bullied. A blanket ban assists these students to feel safe, without causing humiliation, or discomfort for them or other students.

It's like when we had a Cambodian refugee join my grade one class. Our teacher had a routine where we would sit in a cricle with our hands on our heads for roll marking. When this kid heard the instructions, he took off, screaming hysterically in Cambodian. When the school finally found a translator, we found out that soldiers had come to his village and told the children to sit in a circle with their hands on their heads. They then proceeded to shoot them. So naturally this kid thought that was what was going to happen to him. Our teacher promptly changed her morning routine to something less confrontational for this kid, despite the inital problems it caused for many of the students from unstable homes who valued that routine.

By your argument, this teacher should not have altered her morning routine because "schools can't be safe for everyone."

You should have been expelled

You need a hug. :p

You should have been expelled

expulsion solves nothing. It should be banned.

0720. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

No, I'm serious. Do it.

Two days a week I have school from 8:10-11:15. One day I start at nine. The two other days I get out at two. Still in high school too. :D

You need a hug. :p

he knowingly and intentionally violated not only a school rule, but the law as well (if we believe him).

He should have been expelled.

he knowingly and intentionally violated not only a school rule, but the law as well (if we believe him).

He should have been expelled.
Violating any school rule is worth expulsion now? And something like 70% of people have underage sex. It's not exactly something which you can do anything about.

Oh, and two words for the OP: That's retarded. Not much else to say, really. (I suppose I could throw a 'completely' in there, though)

Violating any school rule is worth expulsion now? And something like 70% of people have underage sex. It's not exactly something which you can do anything about.

Expelled for sex at school!? If that counts oral, there goes like half of my school... My school dosn't even expel for drug use on school property. Only dealing.

Some people weren't. Some people were abused by people they trusted. You can't know. Schools have to be a safe place for everyone. Theycan't pick and choose.

While this is true, I'm not certain how it's relevant to the topic. I can't imagine that most people, even those who were abused as children (of whom I am one, so I'm not speaking from complete ignorance) are any more likely to correlate hugs with abuse than, say, being tackled in a football game with abuse. Logically, then, should we ban football, since being tackled or watching someone be tackled might be triggering for someone? Heck, maybe someone was abused by being beat up with a chemistry textbook. Therefore, chemistry textbooks could be triggering and should be banned from school?

I'm all in favor of making sure the school environment is safe for everyone, but the way to handle that is not to make rules against anything that somebody, somewhere, might find troubling. If a particular student is, for whatever reason, terrified of being hugged, they and their parents can communicate that to people. (And, honestly, I have a hard time imagining that hugs would really be much of an issue even for someone who hated them, as it's rather rare for someone to just spontaneously start hugging someone else without their consent. Generally, hugs involve one party holding out their arms and the second party walking into that embrace, which obviously allows the second party the option of saying, "No thanks, I don't like being hugged.")

Violating any school rule is worth expulsion now? And something like 70% of people have underage sex. It's not exactly something which you can do anything about.

On school grounds? Read the poster:

so kids started ahving actuall sex in the school (me included)

Do whatever the hell you want on your own time, but having sex on school grounds should get you expelled.

On school grounds? Read the poster:



Do whatever the hell you want on your own time, but having sex on school grounds should get you expelled.
Why is having sex on school grounds worse than sex somewhere else? It doesn't necessarily have to be in school time: it could be during lunch, for example.

Why is having sex on school grounds worse than sex somewhere else? It doesn't necessarily have to be in school time: it could be during lunch, for example.

don't give a shit if it's during lunch or not.

It's on school property.

don't give a shit if it's during lunch or not.

It's on school property.
I'm still confused as to how this is significant.

Both of you shut up, if you have sex (not oral) in school at any time, even within sight of school, your a fucking dumb ass, not to say anything about underage sex but if you going to fuck do it outside of school, and no lunch (unless you can leave for lunch) is not your time, if you got hit by a bus on school property your parents could sue the school, in otherwords, you have as much (if not less) rights with the school as you do with your parents, if you can have sex in your house with your girlfriend (or boy friend or whatever) then more power to you, but if you do it on school grounds the school has the right to punish you for it, if its against their rules. Trust me, you couldn't have sex at work (and your boss finds out) without getting fired.

As to breaking a law, since when was underaged sex against the law after you're above 16?

And finally detention for hugging is also idiotic because thats basically taking it to the other extreme, if that continues somebody couldn't say "I love you" in passing to their boyfriend or girlfriend, and I imagine very few people will come out in favor for that.

And finally detention for hugging is also idiotic because thats basically taking it to the other extreme, if that continues somebody couldn't say "I love you" in passing to their boyfriend or girlfriend, and I imagine very few people will come out in favor for that.

Getting detention for half of the things they come up with is idiotic. Hugging is just one of them. Being late for class is another idiotic reason you could be sent to detention for.

Getting detention for half of the things they come up with is idiotic. Hugging is just one of them. Being late for class is another idiotic reason you could be sent to detention for.

...why would that be idiotic? A little harsh, possibly, depending on the circumstances, but since it's rather obvious that students should be required to show up for class, it seems reasonable for there to be negative consequences when they fail to do so.

I, for one, would go out of my way to break such a rule if it existed at my school. I generally avoid hugging people, but I would make an exception just to piss off whoever thought they could enforce it.

And any time they tried to punish me for it, I'd remind them that their rules only apply if we're playing the same game, and I don't play with others. It's not like they're going to get big, burly men to tie me up so that I HAVE to stay in detention. I'd totally just walk out.

Should this rule be allowed?

yes, absolutely. Kids doing the stuff is wrong, focus on school.

...why would that be idiotic? A little harsh, possibly, depending on the circumstances, but since it's rather obvious that students should be required to show up for class, it seems reasonable for there to be negative consequences when they fail to do so.

Since they gave people who were only late like 2 minutes detention even if it was their first time. :headbang:


yes, absolutely. Kids doing the stuff is wrong, focus on school.

Yes because hugging leads to sex. :rolleyes:

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

Hehe, join the club. My school has this rule too. Although the interesting thing is some teacher's have told me this was supposed to just be teachers and students then they decided to stretch it to students touching other students.

Why don't you just ignore it, a detention? They gonna call your mommies? "Umm your son/daughter was hugging another student. Then refused to turn up to the detention." "WTF DONT YOU HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO?" That's basically the standard response they've gotten countless times from parents of students in my school. (well unless your parents dont agree with you two or something.)

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

Yes!
We can't let teenagers hugs & kiss! For we all know that this is the path to temptation. Today a hug, tomorrow a kiss and the day after???

Kids unless you want to be a teenage mother with quintuplets, on welfare and with a boyfriend working in McDonalds (If you lucky) say no to hugging TODAY to protect you tomorow!

That's messed up. Students aren't robots. School isn't just there to learn about mathematics, history and all that. It's the place where you learn social contact. Showing the right amount of affection is an important trial&error lesson.

I'm glad that such laws are non-existant here. In my former high school, one couple did get warned because they French kissed several times for a long periode on the playground before the rows, but next to that... during a job I've seen guys "playfully" humping one another (not that I liked that, but meh) and an ex-boss gave me a quick neck massage.
Now in college people greet each other with kisses or hughs all the time.
I once made someones lip bleed, but that's because I hadn't practiced enough in high school. :p

That's messed up. Students aren't robots. School isn't just there to learn about mathematics, history and all that. It's the place where you learn social contact. Showing the right amount of affection is an important trial&error lesson.

I'm glad that such laws are non-existant here. In my former high school, one couple did get warned because they French kissed several times for a long periode on the playground before the rows, but next to that... during a job I've seen guys "playfully" humping one another (not that I liked that, but meh) and an ex-boss gave me a quick neck massage.
Now in college people greet each other with kisses or hughs all the time.
I once made someones lip bleed, but that's because I hadn't practiced enough in high school. :p

You go, man! ;)

Yes because hugging leads to sex. :rolleyes:

In Ohio, I'm not so sure your irony'd be in the clear.

Pushistymistan;11944873']In Ohio, I'm not so sure your irony'd be in the clear.


What are you talking about?

I would say the no-hugging rule was probaqbly brought in to combat the excessive PDAs that go on in and around school grounds. Teenagers are not particularly subtle about expressing their affections to one another.

Because it's too grey an area to be able to specify at what specific point a hug becomes a PDA, I assume the school board decided to institute a blanket ban.
That way, there's no arguments over the rule.

Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:Isn't it worth it? ;)

Anyway, just protest with as many students together. Pick a time, and everybody starts hugging. Make a daily ritual out of it if you can, untill the rule gets repealed.

That's a terrible rule; granted I don't think that people should be all over each other in school (and by that I mean that I know a girl who is now pregnant with twins...) but hugging? Kissing even? That's just going to encourage some people to do it all the more. Or make up for it a little too much outside school.


With this logic, if we ban homework, does this mean kids will then insist on doing even more of it?

I think that's a very good idea.
Or else organise a hug-in... all students get together and hug each other as a sign of protest :D
I fully endorse this idea.
It's a new guy.

And theres TRILLIONS of couples in the school that kiss and hug in the hallways. Are they going to put all 1200 of us in detention?

I'm all for no making out in the hallways, but hugging? Jeeze! Girls hug each other all the times and so do couples. :mad: Way too excessive.
You might get lucky and they'll get bored of fighting the evils of public displays of affection and pick a new target.
That's mainly why the Gay-Straight Alliance was very nearly banned. The ACLU was even ready to take that case (though it was passed).

Then again, I do live in a highly Southern Baptist area, where only the demon-children kiss and hug eacho other in the middle of the halway at a high school and have romantic interest in members of the same sex. :rolleyes:
Just explain that you're a pancake, not a demon-child. Easy.
yes, absolutely. Kids doing the stuff is wrong, focus on school.
"Doing the stuff"? What exactly is this "stuff"?

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?

Meh. A tad authoritarian, and probably unjustifiable, but then, given they actually care about when it happended to the precision you suggest, that says it all.

Of course, you may offend prudes, religious wackos and those who want to be offended, which, I am sure, is a mortal sin in the PC world.

Fuck.

My school didn't ban hugging, but kissing is banned.

That guy is an asshole. Probably sore because he can't get some.

Find his email address, and send him a link to this page (http://principal.justgotowned.com).

Gotta feel for you, Pancake. :fluffle: (Affectionate fluffle)

Since they gave people who were only late like 2 minutes detention even if it was their first time. :headbang:


I agree that that does sound somewhat excessively harsh, but that hardly makes punishing inattendance in and of itself "idiotic." :)

I see where they're coming from, but then again...I wouldn't have sex with half of the people I've hugged.
Or any for that matter.
I've been told by administrators to break it up, but I've never been written up for it.
Heck at my middle school, two kids were making out and no one cared.
Depends on the person who catches you.

I agree that that does sound somewhat excessively harsh, but that hardly makes punishing inattendance in and of itself "idiotic." :)

It does when people who don't do anything wrong get detention.

Yes because hugging leads to sex. :rolleyes:

That reminds me of when I was in basic training and the Drill Sergeants would say "Looking leads to liking, liking leads to loving, and loving leads to fucking so quit looking at me Private because I ain't fucking you!"

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By your argument, this teacher should not have altered her morning routine because "schools can't be safe for everyone."

She should have changed it, but she shouldn't have started out that way in the first place in preparation for kids like that.

EDIT: Sorry for posting so late.

he knowingly and intentionally violated not only a school rule, but the law as well (if we believe him).

He should have been expelled.
And MLK, Rosa Parks, and Mahatma Gandhi should have been arrested(ignore that they actually were).
See where I'm going with this?

And MLK, Rosa Parks, and Mahatma Gandhi should have been arrested(ignore that they actually were).
See where I'm going with this?

It probably helped their causes somewhat.

It probably helped their causes somewhat.

Yes, indeed.

That's mainly why the Gay-Straight Alliance was very nearly banned. The ACLU was even ready to take that case (though it was passed).

Then again, I do live in a highly Southern Baptist area , where only the demon-children kiss and hug eacho other in the middle of the hallway at a high school and have romantic interest in members of the same sex. :rolleyes:

Which state?

Which state?

Nawth Cay'lye-nuh.

Now that I think about it, the GSA was approved last week. that's probably WHY the principal made the rule up. :rolleyes:

Completely ridiculous. The banning of such small amountss of public affection as hugging is practically medivial. I would understand if it were about sucking face in public, but banning hugs is really quite ridiculous.


Then again my part of Jersey is mostly inhabited by liberal minded atheists, hippies, or others who really couldn't care less what the two people in the bathroom stall next to them were doing.

Fun though :P

Completely ridiculous. The banning of such small amountss of public affection as hugging is practically medivial. I would understand if it were about sucking face in public, but banning hugs is really quite ridiculous.

According to one kid in my Earth Science class, the principal is just not getting any.

That and the Gay-Straight Aliance recently got approved. And most of the school has tried pot. And half of us are atheists, though I am ignostic.

According to one kid in my Earth Science class, the principal is just not getting any.

That and the Gay-Straight Aliance recently got approved. And most of the school has tried pot. And half of us are atheists, though I am ignostic.

Ignostic, interesting. So you believe in Ingsoc? :p

Ignostic, interesting. So you believe in Ingsoc? :p

Nope. No Ingsoc for me. I don't trust it. :eek:

But I'm either ignostic or maltheist. :)

Nope. No Ingsoc for me. I don't trust it. :eek:

But I'm either ignostic or maltheist. :)

Ignostic? IGNorant... IGNoring...

Wait, do you mean AGnostic? Like, in decision? :D

Yet another reason I left Public school :cool:

Gimme a fuckin' break! :mad:

Gimme a fuckin' break! :mad:

Ok... based on the average smoking break... you've got 15 minutes.

Finding a partner is your own problem. ;)

Ok... based on the average smoking break... you've got 15 minutes.

Finding a partner is your own problem. ;)

I get it...

...:confused::eek::D

OH, NOW I get it!

Then again my part of Jersey is mostly inhabited by liberal minded atheists, hippies, or others who really couldn't care less what the two people in the bathroom stall next to them were doing.

Heh... Jersey, everyone knows its not a real state, just an extension of hell (j/k)

Today my bf was written up. His crime?

Hugging me in the hallway. :rolleyes:

What is so bad about hugging? Ask my high school that. Because the principal was kind enough to make up a new rule about "public affection" which bans hugging and kissing. So now I can't give him a hug in front of a teacher or else we both get detention. :mad:

He was let off because the rule wasn't effective until 8:20 this morning (which is when first bell starts) and we broke the law at 8:17. :eek:

Should this rule be allowed?
It is hardly new...
Well at least when i was at school we had that very rule, no hugging etc.
Of course by the end of my school days it was hardly enforced if at all.

Ok... based on the average smoking break... you've got 15 minutes.

Finding a partner is your own problem. ;)

Say Kat, are you enforcing the cell phone ban?

Ok... based on the average smoking break... you've got 15 minutes.

Finding a partner is your own problem. ;)

Huh? :confused:

It does when people who don't do anything wrong get detention.

How is showing uplate for class "not doing anything wrong"? Students are supposed to show up for class. If they fail to do so, they are doing something wrong. This is fairly obvious.

Like I said, detention for showing up two minutes late once seems overly harsh to me - that sounds like it warrants no more than a warning, and perhaps not even that. But, again, I don't see anything wrong with there being some negative consequence for students when they deliberately miss all or part of a class.

I am incredibly glad that I don't live where you do, or where these rules exist.

Before yall trot out the standard legal concepts surrounding who owns your time and whatnot just think about that for a moment. Why do we think it is bad to allow very basic, very fundamental, and very essential social interaction?

Do these things ruin those aspects of human society (school, work)? What an awkward thought. Our being human can ruin something that is a fundamentally human creation.

If you want to call out the whole 'respect for others through your behaviour' then yah, sucking face can tread the line between respect and exhibitionism. It comes down to context; I would have a hard time getting angry at a couple enjoying a romantic kiss in Paris at night, even if it was a bit enthusiastic. The same thing in a school hallway during morning break is quite different, and probably runs roughshod over society's supposedly agreed expectations of how one should act in an academic institution.

Mind you, schools are not just academic institutions as much as some might argue. It is a prime, if not the prime, area for socialization with one's peers. That cannot be overlooked.

If we want to raise generations of people who are unreasonably restricted in their development as human beings then this is a wonderful idea. If we are interested in raising generations of humans who are not just academically intellectual but emotionally and mentally intellectual (or at least intelligent perhaps) then banning such basic expressions of very mundane emotions is one more step towards a machine of cogs, wheels, chains, belts, pulleys, and levers. Yay.

Rambly? Hell yah. 3 AM? Hell yah.