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Was looking at the paper tonight when I noticed a headline concerning the Democrats taking power and what they are gonna have to do, when I suddenly realized, that in a sense, the GOP won this election.

Now bear with me here for a second.

My reasoning was thus; The GOP fucked up. Big time. They made a complete hash of many many things, and quite rightly, got their asses kicked out of office.

Now the DNC is in charge, correct? So now, the Democrats are the ones who have to clean up all the Republicans mistakes, errors, and messes. The GOP got to make the mess, but now the Dems are the ones who will be expected to fix it.

What do you think will happen in six years, if they aren't able to, or simply don't bother to repair the damage? The GOP will get to point a finger at them and blather on about how the Democratic Party was incapable of performing it's job properly and how much they failed to fix all the issues they set out to fix. It won't matter to people in 6 years that those problems were created on the GOPs' watch, just that the Dems didn't get what they claimed to want done. If people were actually willing to think that far back when it comes to politics, then they would have stopped voting in both major parties decades ago.

I'd like to get everyones opinions on this theory if I could. Agree, or disagree?

And do me a favor, if all you can do is flame or troll, then do it somewhere else.

Thank you.

I came to the same conclusion election night. Its kind of sad actually.

Glad I am not the only one.

And Into-Muros; The answer is YES!:D

We are still talking about the elections? Damn:headbang:

I think that the Republicans won when they lost the house and senate. The party in power will always be expected to clean the mess in the nation no matter who cause it. In our political system unless the majority party has a GREAT leader who is a brilliant speaker the party is doomed to lose.

I think that the Republicans won when they lost the house and senate. The party in power will always be expected to clean the mess in the nation no matter who cause it. In our political system unless the majority party has a GREAT leader who is a brilliant speaker the party is doomed to lose.

You're forgetting two things.

The democrats held congress for FOURTY YEARS. 40.

Second, as much as the democrats might be in charge of congress, we have a republican president. And the fact is, when shit goes bad, most americans put blame on the president, not the legislature.

Glad I am not the only one.

And Into-Muros; The answer is YES!:D

*Intra

I agree with you by the way, but I was bored and it looked like an interesting choice.

A little girl asked her father, "Daddy, do all fairy tales begin with 'Once Upon a Time'? " He replied, "No, there is a whole series of fairy tales that begin with 'If elected, I promise...' ''

Here's the thing, every cycle the party that comes to power tries to "clean up" everything the previous party did during its reign. Then they take it too far or stay in too long and the people either get mad or get sick of them and pick the other choice. It happens. If the Dems raise taxes too much to pay for all the new social programs they seem to love so much people will get upset and pick Reps in the hopes that they'll reduce government spending. The thing is that the Reps, especially the newest generation, aren't too concerned with actually following through on that promise. Republicans will still grow government, it'll just be slower than if Democrats were in charge. Both sides of this coin will have broken many promises by the time they get the boot. It's a vicious cycle.

You're forgetting two things.

The democrats held congress for FOURTY YEARS. 40.

Second, as much as the democrats might be in charge of congress, we have a republican president. And the fact is, when shit goes bad, most americans put blame on the president, not the legislature.

QFT- except I will add that Bush and basically every other Republican out there have been trying to drill out two messages:
1- That the Dems will raise taxes (they cannot do this with the Republican president unless he allows it).
2- That they will pull out of Iraq (See note to one)

What will this say? Look, the dems have control over The Senate and Congress and they did not raise taxes and were blocked from pulling out our troops. The pubs have been lying to us!

That, and it got Rumsfeld finally out of there. Like everyone that was not the president wanted.

Dems are looking pretty good already.

Lot af damage to be fixed! I think in 2008 if congress holds as it is now and a Democrat becomes president, the reckless spending can at least be curbed (whiich is a step in the right direction)

Our foreign relations will get much better when Bush is gone. (even if he is replaced by another Republican) His cowboy diplomacy when he speaks has offended nearly every nation on Earth. We have no place to go but up after 2008 in that regard.

It would be funny though, to hear Republicans in a few years make a claim that Democrats havn't finished cleaning up the Republican mess yet! :D

You're forgetting two things.

The democrats held congress for FOURTY YEARS. 40.

Second, as much as the democrats might be in charge of congress, we have a republican president. And the fact is, when shit goes bad, most americans put blame on the president, not the legislature.

That had an awful lot to do with FDR and FDR based perceptions, though.

QFT- except I will add that Bush and basically every other Republican out there have been trying to drill out two messages:
1- That the Dems will raise taxes (they cannot do this with the Republican president unless he allows it).
2- That they will pull out of Iraq (See note to one)
If the President approves of the legislation, he signs it. If he does not approve, he must return the bill, unsigned, within ten days (excluding Sundays) to the house of Congress in which it originated. The President is constitutionally required to state his objections to the legislation in writing, and the Congress is constitutionally required to consider them, and to reconsider the legislation.

If the Congress passes the bill by a 2/3 majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature.

So congress can override the prez if they've got enough of a majority in each house.

If the President approves of the legislation, he signs it. If he does not approve, he must return the bill, unsigned, within ten days (excluding Sundays) to the house of Congress in which it originated. The President is constitutionally required to state his objections to the legislation in writing, and the Congress is constitutionally required to consider them, and to reconsider the legislation.

If the Congress passes the bill by a 2/3 majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature.

So congress can override the prez if they've got enough of a majority in each house.


which in this instance only happens if a significant amount of republicans in both houses side with democrats to over ride a presidential veto.

Not going to happen.

If things dont get better: "the republicans fouled things up so bad in their years of absolute power that the democrats couldnt fix it"

or

"The democrats tried hard, but it was impossible to fix things with Republican George Bush, the Wrecking-Ball-in-Chief, in the WH."

The republicans lost big time. "A national party no more," in Zellie Millers words.

That had an awful lot to do with FDR and FDR based perceptions, though.
I guess that would make FDR perhaps one of the most important Presidents in American history? Quite a legacy indeed!!

QFT- except I will add that Bush and basically every other Republican out there have been trying to drill out two messages:
1- That the Dems will raise taxes (they cannot do this with the Republican president unless he allows it).
2- That they will pull out of Iraq (See note to one)

What will this say? Look, the dems have control over The Senate and Congress and they did not raise taxes and were blocked from pulling out our troops. The pubs have been lying to us!

That, and it got Rumsfeld finally out of there. Like everyone that was not the president wanted.

Dems are looking pretty good already.
I agree!!

And I voted that the OP was "insane". :D

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Can't see it happening, unless she was running against Condi Rice.