NationStates Jolt Archive


what nationalitie

Caliguan empire
12-11-2006, 17:03
what nationalitie would you rather be out of the selection

english , french , alaskan , swedish or russian
Ultraviolent Radiation
12-11-2006, 17:08
Is English counted as a nationality? Wouldn't it come under British?

EDIT: And of course, Alaska is a part of the United States of America.
Celtlund
12-11-2006, 17:10
I was under the impression that the nationality of Alaskans is Amrican. Did they drop their statehood and become an independant country last night?

None of the above.
New Burmesia
12-11-2006, 17:11
Is English counted as a nationality? Wouldn't it come under British?

EDIT: And of course, Alaska is a part of the United States of America.

Well, one could argue that England has its own nation within the UK, just as Scotland, for example.
Caliguan empire
12-11-2006, 17:13
england is a country/nation so yeah people just call it britain all the time , britain was the name of union of part of ireland , scotland , wales all under the governance of england , the way people would call me a brit is the same way people always call people from the u.s.a americans and they always call the u.s.a america and yet american is a continent not a single country.

English is a nationalitie , also england as head of britain was head of the british empire and is still head of the commonwealth
Ultraviolent Radiation
12-11-2006, 17:13
Well, one could argue that England has its own nation within the UK, just as Scotland, for example.

They're constituent countries, but I don't think that makes them nations. I'm not certain.
Caliguan empire
12-11-2006, 17:14
england is a seperate state , but it is unified under the united kingdom although as i mentioned before england is traditionally head of the uk
Khaban
12-11-2006, 17:15
I wanted to choose Alaskan, but then I realised that is was a part of the usa, so it's none of the above
Infinite Revolution
12-11-2006, 17:17
french, so i could have a sexy accent.
Maineiacs
12-11-2006, 17:18
When did Alaska secceed?
Gorias
12-11-2006, 17:20
britain was the name of union of part of ireland , scotland , wales all under the governance of england ,

nope.
Caliguan empire
12-11-2006, 17:27
the french accent makes them seem a bit stupid , out of the french people i've met they just sounds ridiculous trying to pronounce words with that accent , if i met a girl with a french accent it would definatly be a downside
Wallonochia
12-11-2006, 17:27
I was under the impression that the nationality of Alaskans is Amrican. Did they drop their statehood and become an independant country last night?

None of the above.

Would you say Scottish or Welsh aren't nationalities either?
Katganistan
12-11-2006, 17:28
england is a country/nation so yeah people just call it britain all the time , britain was the name of union of part of ireland , scotland , wales all under the governance of england , the way people would call me a brit is the same way people always call people from the u.s.a americans and they always call the u.s.a america and yet american is a continent not a single country.

English is a nationalitie , also england as head of britain was head of the british empire and is still head of the commonwealth

People call it Britain because GREAT BRITAIN was the name, if I am not mistaken, of the Empire.

People call people from the USA AMERICANS because their country name is The United States of AMERICA and is the only nation on the continent that has America as part of its name.

Alaska is one fiftieth of the nation called America. Huge in area, very very sparsely inhabited, so I've no idea why you'd call us all Alaskans.
Gorias
12-11-2006, 17:28
Would you say Scottish or Welsh aren't nationalities either?

scotland and walse are nations. i'm pretty sure alaska inst.
New Burmesia
12-11-2006, 17:29
They're constituent countries, but I don't think that makes them nations. I'm not certain.

Try going to Scotland and telling a drunken Glaswegian that Scotland isn't a nation and just a part of Britain.:D
Caliguan empire
12-11-2006, 17:30
i added alaskans for variety and i didn't know alaska was apart of the usa
Katganistan
12-11-2006, 17:30
scotland and walse are nations. i'm pretty sure alaska inst.

True dat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska
Katganistan
12-11-2006, 17:31
i added alaskans for variety and i didn't know alaska was apart of the usa

:rolleyes: Wikipedia is your friend.
Wallonochia
12-11-2006, 17:32
scotland and walse are nations. i'm pretty sure alaska inst.

What defines nationality in this context? There are some who would view Texas as a nation due to their strong identity as Texans. From what I've seen of Alaskans they seem to identify with Alaska quite strongly as well.
Caliguan empire
12-11-2006, 17:33
ooc: sorry about the alaskan thing

i always go on wikipedia its the best thing for most things , like i always get the answers for my homework there
Minaris
12-11-2006, 17:34
People call it Britain because GREAT BRITAIN was the name, if I am not mistaken, of the Empire.

People call people from the USA AMERICANS because their country name is The United States of AMERICA and is the only nation on the continent that has America as part of its name.

Alaska is one fiftieth of the nation called America. Huge in area, very very sparsely inhabited, so I've no idea why you'd call us all Alaskans.

Pretty sure Alaska isn't 1/50th of the US... it has a greater % of landmass and a lower % of population...
Katganistan
12-11-2006, 17:34
What defines nationality in this context? There are some who would view Texas as a nation due to their strong identity as Texans. From what I've seen of Alaskans they seem to identify with Alaska quite strongly as well.

That's ridiculous... it's like saying Munich is its own nation, or Liverpool.
Gorias
12-11-2006, 17:35
What defines nationality in this context? There are some who would view Texas as a nation due to their strong identity as Texans. From what I've seen of Alaskans they seem to identify with Alaska quite strongly as well.

scotland and walse have thier own football teams. thats good enough for me.
Katganistan
12-11-2006, 17:35
Pretty sure Alaska isn't 1/50th of the US... it has a greater % of landmass and a lower % of population...

It's one state of fifty.... the 49th state to be admitted into the union, to be precise.
Ultraviolent Radiation
12-11-2006, 17:36
Try going to Scotland and telling a drunken Glaswegian that Scotland isn't a nation and just a part of Britain.:D

Because drunken Glaswegians are renowned for their geographical expertise :rolleyes:
Ifreann
12-11-2006, 17:37
None of the above. Irish FTW!
Gorias
12-11-2006, 17:39
None of the above. Irish FTW!

ahaha.
taking over the world with our pubs! other countries invade, we just get drunk.
Caliguan empire
12-11-2006, 17:41
i'm going to remake this thread with more options and not the botched alaskan thing
Dakini
12-11-2006, 17:42
i added alaskans for variety and i didn't know alaska was apart of the usa
Have you been living under a rock?
Wallonochia
12-11-2006, 17:47
That's ridiculous... it's like saying Munich is its own nation, or Liverpool.

No, it's not really ridiculous

Main Entry: na·tion·al·i·ty
Pronunciation: "na-sh&-'na-l&-tE, "nash-'na-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : national character
2 : NATIONALISM 1
3 a : national status; specifically : a legal relationship involving allegiance on the part of an individual and usually protection on the part of the state b : membership in a particular nation
4 : political independence or existence as a separate nation
5 a : a people having a common origin, tradition, and language and capable of forming or actually constituting a nation-state b : an ethnic group constituting one element of a larger unit (as a nation )

Nationality doesn't depend on having control of an independent nation-state, however being a "nation" largely depends on the attitudes of the people living there, and whether they identify strongly enough as a people.

I'm not saying that cities like Liverpool or Munich are nations, I'm saying that places like Texas, Quebec, Catalonia, Scotland, etc. can be considered nations even though they don't have an independent nation-state. They don't even have to have any aspirations for a nation-state to be considered a nation with the various Native Americans as examples.

edit: This book is worth checking out a library sometime as a discussion of the idea of Texas as a nation.

http://www.amazon.com/Nation-Within-Nationalism-American-Studies/dp/0804691312
Katganistan
12-11-2006, 18:16
If you mean ethnic identity, come out and say it.

But since Alaska and all the states in the union share a common language, share a common government and identify themselves all as "American" I would think your argument pretty weak.
Wallonochia
12-11-2006, 19:08
If you mean ethnic identity, come out and say it.

But since Alaska and all the states in the union share a common language, share a common government and identify themselves all as "American" I would think your argument pretty weak.

I'm not saying ethnic identity, which I think is a rather silly idea anyway. Attempting to attach a culture to a set of physical features just boggles my mind.

Yes, all the states in the Union do share all those things, but a "nationality" in this sense isn't an either/or idea. Catalonians are Spanish, Scotsmen are British, Bretons are French, and many of each group identify as both. Just because those groups may be identified with some ethnic identity doesn't mean that the concept requires one.

Anyway, I will agree my argument is rather weak and the biggest reason I'm even engaging in this debate is because I really don't feel like writing my essays for my French grammar class.
Harlesburg
13-11-2006, 09:56
English.:)
Posi
13-11-2006, 10:13
Russian. If only for the sense of submission.
Boonytopia
13-11-2006, 11:43
Still no Australian on the poll. I chose Swedish on the other one, so I'll go for French on this one.
Underdownia
13-11-2006, 11:56
Hehe. Im english but I chose French in the poll. I probably should be sent to the Tower for my traitorness