NationStates Jolt Archive

This has been done before, but it's a fun topic. Poll coming.

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JET CITY WOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMAAAAANNNN!

For your listening pleasure:
http://www.queensryche.com/releases/empire/index.html

:confused: *displays ignorance*

Oh, the jolly ol' Brittania for me. Note sig.

:confused: *displays ignorance*

Oh, the jolly ol' Brittania for me. Note sig.

Okay, I put a link up in the prior post.




BTW, if I must choose a governmental Empire:

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Long live Franz Joseph Otto Robert Maria Anton Karl Max Heinrich Sixtus Xaver Felix Renatus Ludwig Gaetan Pius Ignatius von Habsburg!

Emperor of Austria & Apostolic King of Hungary,
King of Bohemia, of Dalmatia, of Croatia, of Slavonia, of Galicia, of Lodomeria, and of Illyria,
King of Jerusalem,
Archduke of Austria,
Grand Duke of Tuscany and of Cracow,
Duke of Lorraine, of Salzburg, of Styria, of Carinthia, of Carniola and of the Bukovina,
Grand Prince of Transylvania,
Margrave of Moravia,
Duke of Upper Silesia, of Lower Silesia, of Modena, Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla, of Auschwitz and Zator, of Teschen, Friuli, Ragusa and Zara,
Princely Count of Habsburg and Tyrol, of Kyburg, Goritz and Grandisca,
Prince of Trient and Brixen,
Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia and in Istria,
Count of Hohenems, Feldkirch, Bregenz, Sonnenberg, and so forth,
Lord of Trieste, of Cattaro and of the Wendish Mark,
Grand Voyvode of the Voyvodie of Serbia, and so forth,
Sovereign of the Order of the Golden Fleece!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto%2C_Crown_Prince_of_Austria

Rule Britannia!

The British Empire makes holidays easier.

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JET CITY WOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMAAAAANNNN!And lo, the thread was won with the first reply.

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http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Internal/142227/members/

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I've always liked the Romans. Their application of engineering was extremely impressive (even if they did get much of their technology from other cultures), and I love the fact that their military installations were exactly the same, whether they were built in Scotland or in Egypt.

http://www.thecommonwealth.org/images/flash-logo.gif

http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Internal/142227/members/

The inclusion of a map would also help. So here's one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Commonwealth_of_Nations.png

Syrup!

The inclusion of a map would also help. So here's one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Commonwealth_of_Nations.png
I saw that and was going to include it but felt that I had too much already....thanks for linking it.

The inclusion of a map would also help. So here's one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Commonwealth_of_Nations.png

Why does the map not darken The Falkland Islands or Gibralter? :confused:

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Why does the map not darken The Falkland Islands or Gibralter? :confused:

I think it may be something to do with their status as protectorates or what ever. They can't be independent members as they don't have their own foreign policy and as they are not part of the UK they don't get membership that way.

In a possible comparison with the status of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man in relation to the EU maybe.

That is my guess.

Why, Her Majesty's Emparh of course, wotwot!

The American one.

No really, its nice to see the World's biggest Empire being a Democracy.

Damn empires! :mp5: :sniper:

The inclusion of a map would also help. So here's one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Commonwealth_of_Nations.png

i always thought the commonwealth included all the old british empire. i learned something today :)

anyway, i voted for the Mongolian Empire. If there ever was an empire that could be described as 'kick-ass', that's it.

i always thought the commonwealth included all the old british empire. i learned something today :)

Ireland isn't in the Commonwealth either but was part of the British Empire.

I think it may be something to do with their status as protectorates or what ever. They can't be independent members as they don't have their own foreign policy and as they are not part of the UK they don't get membership that way.

In a possible comparison with the status of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man in relation to the EU maybe.

That is my guess.

well jersey, guernsey and the isle of man simply aren't in the EU but i don't think we have the same status as regards to britain as the falkland islands or gibralter. i can't quite remember the distinction. i think the latter 2 are overseas territories and the others are nominally independent protectorates that follow a lot of the policy of the mainland for the sake of simplicity.

anyway, jersey, guernsey and the isle of man take part in the common wealth games under their own flags so i reckon they're part of the commonwealth. don't know about the falklands and gibralter though.

Ireland isn't in the Commonwealth either but was part of the British Empire.

but i think that was simply regarded as part of britain before they became independent. i mean it was british territory before the whole age of european empires. but somewhere like egypt i would have thought was in the commonwealth, although they were as much part of the French empire as the British. meh, empires are silly.

Ireland isn't in the Commonwealth either but was part of the British Empire.

If I recall correctly, Ireland was in the Commonwealth, but left when it became a republic.

Best empire eh? The Soviet Empire?

If I recall correctly, Ireland was in the Commonwealth, but left when it became a republic.

That is correct. It also makes my statement correct. We still had free trade trade, a common currency and free movement of people between here and Britain in 1949 when we became a republic/left the commonwealth so it didn't make much of a difference in terms of trade advantage.

I think the Falklands are actually classed as part of the UK. Thats why we destroyed Argentina when they attempted to invade it.

No one messes with a small insiginificant island when Britain controls it

Why am i so fanatically patriotic?

Spanish Empire

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Europe
* Kingdoms of Castilla, Leon, Aragón, Navarra, Granada, Toledo, Valencia, Galicia, Mallorca, Sevilla, Cordoba, Murcia, Menorca, Jaen, Algeciras, Gibraltar, Canary Islands;
* County of Charolais [1714], nowadays Saône-et-Loire in southern Burgundy (France)
* Franche-Comté [1678] (France)
* Duchy of Milan [1714], nowadays part of Lombardy (Italy)
* Kingdom of Naples [1714], comprising nowadays Abruzzi, Basilicata, Calabria, Campania, Molise and Puglia (Italy)
* Kingdom of Portugal [1640]
* Roussillon [1648] (France)
* Spanish Netherlands [1714],nowadays Belgium, Luxemburg and Artois (France)
* Sardinia [1714] (Italy)
* Kingdom of Sicily [1714] (Italy)

Africa

* Algiers, in nowadays Algeria
* Bougie, in nowadays Algeria
* Spanish Guinea, nowadays Ecuatorial Guinea
* Sidi Ifni, in nowadays Morocco
* Spanish Morocco
* Oran, in nowadays Algeria
* Spanish Sahara, nowadays Western Sahara
* Tunis, in nowadays Tunisia

America

* Viceroyalty of New Spain (Virreinato de Nueva España)
o New Spain, nowadays Mexico
o Inner Provinces (Provincias Internas), including nowadays:
+ Arizona[1821]
+ California[1821]
+ Colorado[1821]
+ Nevada [1821]
+ New Mexico [1821]
+ Texas [1821]
+ Utah [1821]
o Captaincy-General of Guatemala [1821], including the provinces of:
+ Costa Rica [1821]
+ El Salvador [1821]
+ Honduras [1821]
+ Nicaragua [1821]
o La Florida, including nowadays:
+ Florida [1810]
+ southern Alabama [1810]
+ southern Mississippi [1810]
o Spanish Antilles, including the islands of:
+ Cuba [1898]
+ Jamaica [1670]
+ Puerto Rico [1898]
+ Hispaniola (Haiti)[1697] and Dominican Republic [1795]
+ Trinidad [1797]

* Viceroyalty of New Granada (Virreinato de Nueva Granada)
o Captaincy-General of Venezuela [1819]
o Audience of Santa Fé, nowadays Colombia [1819]
o Audience of Panamá [1819]
o Audience of Quito, nowadays part of Ecuador [1822]

* Viceroyalty of Peru [1827] (Virreinato del Perú)
o Captaincy-General of Chile [1821]

* Viceroyalty of the Plate River (Virreinato del Río de la Plata)
o Argentina [1816]
o High Peru (Alto Perú), nowadays Bolivia [1825]
o Malvinas, nowadays Falkland Islands [1816]
o Paraguay [1813]
o Uruguay [1816]

Asia
* Kingdom of Jerusalen
* Formosa Island, nowadays Taiwan [1642]
* Philippines [1898]
* Spratley Islands [1898]

Oceania

* Carolinas Islands, nowadays the Federated States of Micronesia [1899]
* Marianas Islands, nowadays Guam [1898] and Northern Marianas [1899]
* Palaos Islands, nowadays Palau [1899]

Why am i so fanatically patriotic?

Because Britain has a great history of science/technology, rock & rock music and drinking tea?

"Woman, you're like the Empire, and I still want ya back." - Spinal Tap.

That one.

It's a tie between the British and the Roman Empires.

well jersey, guernsey and the isle of man simply aren't in the EU but i don't think we have the same status as regards to britain as the falkland islands or gibralter. i can't quite remember the distinction. i think the latter 2 are overseas territories and the others are nominally independent protectorates that follow a lot of the policy of the mainland for the sake of simplicity.

anyway, jersey, guernsey and the isle of man take part in the common wealth games under their own flags so i reckon they're part of the commonwealth. don't know about the falklands and gibralter though.

That is why I said 'protectorate or something' because there seem to be countless variations and defintitions for the status of small islands/states with the UK.

From what I have read you are not part of the EU but you have seperate agreements etc that results in respect of the EU, such as being part of the single market but differing on duites, tarriffs and taxes (which pisses off some in the EU, much to my enjoyment :) , I like it when bueracrats get annoyed as they do it to everyone else.)

the greek empire was of the greek city states , alexander was macedonian!
it was a macedonian empire! besides alexander the great kicked ass and if he hadn't died at such a young age he would have built a empire to match thta of what the romans ahad at there fullest extent

That is why I said 'protectorate or something' because there seem to be countless variations and defintitions for the status of small islands/states with the UK.

From what I have read you are not part of the EU but you have seperate agreements etc that results in respect of the EU, such as being part of the single market but differing on duites, tarriffs and taxes (which pisses off some in the EU, much to my enjoyment :) , I like it when bueracrats get annoyed as they do it to everyone else.)

yeh, the EU tries to tell us what to do sometimes. like a while ago everyone was up in arms cuz the EU said that we had to give up our 'tax haven' situation or we'd get cut out of some stuff. i think the british government negotiated us out of that one.

but i think that was simply regarded as part of britain before they became independent.

theres a difference form being apart of the british empire and being a part of britain. is canada british?
ireland left uk i think 16th of jan 1921.
left common wealth about 1949.
thank mick. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_%28Irish_leader%29)

My vote goes to Maurya empire. Specifically under the time of Emperor Asoka - the only emperor in the history of this world to renounce war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka

I have to go with the Roman Empire. I prefer the Republican period, but they lasted a damn long time, and had at least a semblance of Republicanism for a few hundred years and maintained a large empire with something as simple as roads.


And Bachanalia was probably a blast.

Bonie and super-France, because many of the things he implemented are still being used by my country and many others ("things", like the basis for our justice system, the metric system, last names,...).

And he let the pope come over, just so he could take the crown out of the man's hands and make himself emperor.

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/historical/napoleon/napoleon_map.jpg

What did the British Empire ever achieve? If we have to pick one, the Romans were the most important.

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The Imperium of Man

Mongols!

What did the British Empire ever achieve?

Stopped a warmonger from dominating Europe, allowed industrialisation, helped end most slavery across the globe long before some powerful countries even banned it, achieved a level of globalisation that the world still has not been able to achieve again, proved invaluable in winning both world wars, invented the sandwich and lets not forget parliamentary democracy

I wonder who I voted for :D

You left alot of empires out. I like the Persians and Carthaginian empires, but as much as I dont like it: I dont know how you can leave out the Ottoman Empire.

The various Arab empires 2000BC - 1100AD were pretty good.

The Mongols were badass, who else could rule the 1/3 of the world population in their time. Too bad they couldn't understand how to consolidate power if someone dropped it on their heads.

Besides, wagons filled with body part trophy's is just rad! :cool:

Britannia.

Partly because Greek, Napoleonic, and Galactic were all on one man's shoulders, Holy Roman was just plain misnamed, the Romans were so screwed up at the end, and the Mongols, while awesome, could not have survived the industrial revolution.

Mostly because I live there.

What did the British Empire ever achieve? If we have to pick one, the Romans were the most important.

The British Empire (if nothing else) gave the world the United States of America. :D

The British Empire (if nothing else) gave the world the United States of America. :D

He asked what did the British Empire acheive not what did it unleash....



I kid, I kid :p

The Brits had the best Empire.

The sun never sets, biatch.

The Ottoman Empire was an interesting one, starting from a nation it became a cosmopolit empire. It is without something like it so earns an important place in history, even with its failures to show us the way to future. Lets see a few details for fun:
The viziers(ministers) were of diverse ethnicities such as armenians and jews. The taxing rights of regions were rented to rich offering hot cash to treasury at the late and corrupted times of empire.
There were astronomy and mathematic academies which were best of their time at first but later got corrupted. There were two literacies, one for the public and one for the palace, the palace literacy was an overintricate form of aesthatic pleasure. Whereas public literacy was a simple one. This much difference between public and palace intellectuals led to alienation of thinkers in the long run and made the acceptance of new ideas harder.
There are eras of complete pleasure seeking such as Tulip era when all the money of country was spent on extravagant palaces and botanic experiments (the first black tulip)

The guild system kept business in check. Special jobs were given to certain cities and goverment controlled where the people would live according to needs. If more butchers were needed in Istanbul then the Sultan would give the job of buthcering to blahblah village then people would start coming from there for generations to their ready jobs at big cities also specialising in the training of their children to that specific job. Even today the best of many jobs are well known to come from certain cities, like Bolu is known for its fat and happy chiefs with excellent cooking.

The art of beautiful writing was very important. Which combined with strong guild system kept the technological achievments away in the name of interest of workers. It happened in every other job field, viziers taking bribes from guilds kept machines away from business to avoid people losing their jobs. In the long run Empires entire hand crafted industry collapsed to cheap and industrialised products from west.

Using both horseman raised and kept by landgiven lords and special Janisarry troops, specially raised for on foot combat to hold center its armies were very professional. Janisarries were also a religious order and composed of christian or other religions children raised as muslims. The horseman raised from landlords were also the police force of urban areas keeping public safe.
The Ottoman Army made extensive use of military band that inspired European armies. The use of battery especially.
The use and science of cannon was very extensive, instead of carrying heavy cannons to far battlefields Ottoman armies were able to forge cannons from materials carried at the battle location very quickly ofter surprising enemies.

The strenght of Ottoman at its height was unparalalled, the Sultan Padisah was compared to noone and one of his viziers equalled to power of any european emperor. Which led to incredible bribing within palace by foreing ambassadors to buy off viziers to manipulate vast Ottoman armies.

edit:
I forgot about the foundation system and caravanpalaces(kervansaray). Foundations had businesses and used the earned money for feeding, dressing and teaching poor children, aiding the elderly without family, helping public health and keeping historical buildings and monuments well kept.
kervansarays were safehavens for merchants and any travellers that offered protection by guards free food, bed, baths, medical assistance to people and animals . They were along the trade routes mostly.

I'm gonna get flammed for this response, but dont you think the US or Soviet empires were technically the strongest. True they wernt actual empires but they indrectly commanded the world. The US now is the soul commander since the collapse of the USSR. But look at it this way, the US has what is regarded as the most effective fighting force in human history. proportionally stronger than the roman empire during their height of their empire and the british at the height of their empire. The US military is present in 120 countries all around the world, which is basically....everything. The annual budget is 1/5th that of the entire world. and the purchasing power parity of the US is almost 13 trillion dollars, the next closet is china with under half that.

The Ottoman Empire, and any other Islamic Empire throughout history.

The Chinese Empire, most likely in the Han, Tang, or Song dynasties.

Brittis Empire.

I'm gonna get flammed for this response, but dont you think the US or Soviet empires were technically the strongest. True they wernt actual empires but they indrectly commanded the world. The US now is the soul commander since the collapse of the USSR. But look at it this way, the US has what is regarded as the most effective fighting force in human history. proportionally stronger than the roman empire during their height of their empire and the british at the height of their empire. The US military is present in 120 countries all around the world, which is basically....everything. The annual budget is 1/5th that of the entire world. and the purchasing power parity of the US is almost 13 trillion dollars, the next closet is china with under half that.
Yet they barely can control Iraq, let alone they could craft an empire.

Keeping your nations in check is exactly what makes an empire.

Holy Roman; it's legacy is The Empire and the Imperium of Man.

Other: The Dominion of the Gamma Quadrant.

S.P.Q.R. , THE civilization!

"When your forefathers were painting blue warsigns on their faces, my forefathers were building aqueducts.":D

The awesome dinosaur Empire of Grankalt. They ruled to world for 5,000 years before that nuclear reactor blew up in today's Yucatan peninsula.

British Empire for the win.

Largest, most populus and most widely spread empire in human history.

what things do people consider that make an empire great?
my opinion empires that tried to wipeout certain ethnic groups arent that cool. hence i dislike the british empire.

Galactic Empire.

Because you're not a real Emperor unless you can levitate chunks of metal and throw them at your enemies :D

what things do people consider that make an empire great?
my opinion empires that tried to wipeout certain ethnic groups arent that cool. hence i dislike the british empire.

I'm curious, which ethnic group did we try and wipe out?

Why, oh why, does everyone always forget the Tongan Empire? ;)

In response to an earlier question, not all former members of the British Empire are part of the Commonwealth of Nations. Some withdrew (Ireland), were kicked out (Zimbabwe) or never asked to be a part of it (Burma, USA, Iraq, Israel, Egypt, Sudan...).

I'm curious, which ethnic group did we try and wipe out?

Ascendancy rule 1691-1778
With the defeat of Catholic attempts to regain power and lands in Ireland, the new Protestant Ascendancy sought to insure dominance with the passing of a number of laws to restrict Catholics and Dissenters . The son of James II, the Old Pretender, was recognised by the Holy See as the legitimate king of Britain and Ireland until his death in 1766, and Catholics were obliged to support him. This provided a further political excuse for the new laws. Among the discriminations now faced by victims of the Penal Laws were:

Exclusion of Catholics from most public offices (since 1607), Presbyterians were also barred from public office from 1707.
Ban on intermarriage with Protestants
Presbyterian marriages were not legally recognised by the state
Catholics barred from holding firearms or serving in the armed forces (rescinded by Militia Act of 1793)
Exclusion from membership in either the Parliament of Ireland or the Parliament of Great Britain from 1652, rescinded 1688, reinstated 1691;
Disenfranchising Act 1728, exclusion from voting;
Exclusion from the legal professions and judiciary;
Education Act 1695 - ban on foreign education;
On a death by a Catholic, a legatee could benefit by conversion to the Church of Ireland;
Popery Act- Catholic inheritances of land were to be equally subdivided between all an owner's sons.
Ban on converting from Protestantism to Roman Catholicism
Ban on Catholics buying land under a lease of more than 31 years
Ban on custody of orphans being granted to Catholics
Ban on Catholics inheriting Protestant land
Prohibition on Catholics owning a horse valued at over £5 (in order to keep horses suitable for military activity out of the majority's hands)
Roman Catholic lay priests had to register to preach under the Registration Act 1704, but seminary priests and Bishops were not able to do so.
When allowed, Catholic churches were to be built from wood, not stone, and away from main roads.
No person of the popish religion shall publicly or in private houses teach school, or instruct youth in learning within this realm.

source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_laws_%28Ireland%29#Analysis)

see also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwellian_conquest_of_Ireland)
hence we dont like cromwell.

Bloody Sunday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281920%29) of 1920 is a term used to describe a day of violence in Dublin on November 21st 1920, during the Irish War of Independence (1919-21), which led to the deaths of more than 30 people. The day started with the assassination of 14 British agents or their informants by the Irish Republican Army. Later, that afternoon, British forces opened fire on the crowd at a Gaelic football match in Croke Park in north Dublin, causing the deaths of 14 civilians. Still later, that evening, there were scattered shootings in the city streets, and three Irish prisoners in Dublin Castle were killed by their British captors under very suspicious circumstances.

Bloody Sunday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281972%29) is the term used to describe an incident in Derry, Northern Ireland, on 30 January 1972 in which 26 civil rights protestors were shot by members of 1st Battalion of the British Parachute Regiment, during a Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association march in the Bogside area of the city. Thirteen people, six of whom were minors, died immediately, while the death of another person 4½ months later has been attributed to the injuries he received on the day. Two protesters were injured when run down by army vehicles.[1] Many witnesses including bystanders and journalists testify that all those shot were unarmed. Five of those wounded were shot in the back.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought that catholicism was a religion and not an ethnicity?

Don't get me wrong, the British could be a bunch of bastards when the mood took them but I can't think of an incident where they attempted genocide.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought that catholicism was a religion and not an ethnicity?

Don't get me wrong, the British could be a bunch of bastards when the mood took them but I can't think of and incident where they attempted genocide.

i just made three examples. britian had slavery, also tried to control native australlian population, around the 50's i think.
it is considered that catholicism is a part of our ethnic background. i wouldnt be a catholic by faith, just by culture. the catholic and protestant devide here isnt because we disagree about religious differances but cause native irish were catholic, and planters were protestant. although many catholic heros were protestant.

-snip- Post including everything bad Protestants did to Catholics and nothing bad Catholics ever did to Protestants -snip-

It's not like the Catholics were all hugs and smiles towards the Protestants when they were in power in the UK.

And it's not as though the Catholics don't have their share of civilian blood on their hands from the more recent (though hopefully over) conflict/whatever in NI.


Also - can you point to ANY empire that did not have a fair share of bloody conquests, brutality, slavery or the like? Why single out the British?

It's not like the Catholics were all hugs and smiles towards the Prostants when they were in power in the UK.

And it's not as though the Catholics don't have their share of civilian blood on their hands from the more recent (though hopefully over) conflict/whatever in NI.

1-only british people in charge of british empire. thats british against british.

2-protestants caused the problem and more deaths.

i just made three examples. britian had slavery, also tried to control native australlian population, around the 50's i think.
it is considered that catholicism is a part of our ethnic background. i wouldnt be a catholic by faith, just by culture. the catholic and protestant devide here isnt because we disagree about religious differances but cause native irish were catholic, and planters were protestant. although many catholic heros were protestant.

Slavaery is not genocide, in fact they are the exactly opposite as killing all your stock is very bad business.

Stamping out a religion is not genocide and the Bloody Sunday incidents you quote are insignicficant when compared to the total population of Ireland and Northern Ireland respectivly. If the British Empire, the largest to ever exist, had want to wipe out the Irish I'm sure they could have done better than the few they killed over the years.

Aussies persecuting the abbos in the 50s? Great, not the British Empires fault, the Australians were granted independence in 1942.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Westminster_Adoption_Act_1942

2-protestants caused the problem and more deaths.

I think you need a reality check dude. Should were start a list of all deaths that are the resonsibility of the catholic faith and then compare it to a list of all deaths due to the protestant faith? You know who'll come off looking worse.

1-only british people in charge of british empire. thats british against british.

2-protestants caused the problem and more deaths.

1. Nope - still prostants and catholics. And both have their share of blood.

2. In the 'troubles'? blinkers eh?

The Mongol Empire is the coolest. It was the biggest and dare I say the most improbable. It was also so liberal and ahead of its time. It was also the least taxing on its subjects. If I could vote 1000 times all the votes would be for the Mongol Empire.

Slavaery is not genocide, in fact they are the exactly opposite as killing all your stock is very bad business.

Stamping out a religion is not genocide and the Bloody Sunday incidents you quote are insignicficant when compared to the total population of Ireland and Northern Ireland respectivly. If the British Empire, the largest to ever exist, had want to wipe out the Irish I'm sure they could have done better than the few they killed over the years.

Aussies persecuting the abbos in the 50s? Great, not the British Empires fault, the Australians were granted independence in 1942.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Westminster_Adoption_Act_1942

You learn something everyday. I always thought we became independent with Federation and the creation of the Commonwealth of Australia in 1901.

didnt use the word genoscide.
what about the native americans?
indians?
are there people who dont think the british empire tried to dominate the world?

didnt use the word genoscide.
what about the native americans?
indians?
are there people who dont think the british empire tried to dominate the world?

Native Americans were largely after the British did not have so much control there...

India? How did they wipe indians out?

Conquer the World? Why the hell are you singling out the British Empire out of all the others that tried the same thing? With more brutality even...

didnt use the word genoscide.
what about the native americans?
indians?
are there people who dont think the british empire tried to dominate the world?

You said the British Empire 'tried to wipe out certain ethnic populations'. This is genocide.

The British had long gone before the extermination of the Native Americans began in earnest. I'm not saying they wouldn't have done it had they stayed but their behaviour in other colonies implys strongly that the wouldn't.

The British Empire had a good go at dominating the world and did a better job of it than anyone had before but thats isn't the point, you accused it of genocide because you're a bitter Irish catholic who doesn't like the fact they pwned your country for a very long time and when asked for proof you start whining about how nasty and expansionist the Emipre was.

You said the British Empire 'tried to wipe out certain ethnic populations'. This is genocide.

The British had long gone before the extermination of the Native Americans began in earnest. I'm not saying they wouldn't have done it had they stayed but their behaviour in other colonies implys strongly that the wouldn't.

The British Empire had a good go at dominating the world and did a better job of it than anyone had before but thats isn't the point, you accused it of genocide because you're a bitter Irish catholic who doesn't like the fact they pwned your country for a very long time and when asked for proof you start whining about how nasty and expansionist the Emipre was.

Despite being British and being very fond of our past empire, I have to say that Britain's use of concentration camps in South Africa during the Boer war to imprison its enemies does ounds strangely similar to certain parts of the holocaust. However, unlike many other nations, we have never tried to wipe out a ethnic group....we descriminated against them.

Power to the galactic warriors.

You said the British Empire 'tried to wipe out certain ethnic populations'. This is genocide.

The British had long gone before the extermination of the Native Americans began in earnest. I'm not saying they wouldn't have done it had they stayed but their behaviour in other colonies implys strongly that the wouldn't.

The British Empire had a good go at dominating the world and did a better job of it than anyone had before but thats isn't the point, you accused it of genocide because you're a bitter Irish catholic who doesn't like the fact they pwned your country for a very long time and when asked for proof you start whining about how nasty and expansionist the Emipre was.

That's actually inaccurate. The American Colonies were most certainly British from 1617 to 1776 (or even 1783, if you're a stickler). That's about 150 years of British extermination of American Indians. The settlement of Connecticut, Massachusettes and New Jersey were particularly bloody.

How about the French and Indian War (or if you prefer, the North American theatre of the Seven Years War)? That was a flat out decimation of Ohio valley natives, along into New York and up into Canada.

Rule Britannia!

Surprisingly, there's less than .005% people of British ancestry in my town, and that's our anthem...