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U.S. vetoes U.N. resolution condemning Israel
40 minutes ago

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States on Saturday vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution urging an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and condemning an Israeli attack there that killed 18 Palestinian civilians.
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But the "no" vote cast by U.S. Ambassador John Bolton -- his second since he arrived at U.N. headquarters in August 2005 -- was enough to kill the resolution.

Bolton's first veto, on July 13, 2006, killed a resolution reacting to an earlier Israeli incursion in Gaza.

Sources: www.Yahoo.com / OcceanNEWS

my2cents: I have always comdemned everything I seen wrong anywhere.. even my own Country.

the only times I got a torrent of flames is when I post this kind of news.. IS WHEN I DENOUNCE ISRAEL wrongdoins.. This kind of asimetric responce is not going to discourage me.. on the contrary.

but.. My last such a Post got me a Warning from Freebisteria.. I assume this is because I keep denouncing Israel wrongdoings.

so..
Notice to the Mod team.
If talking repeteadly against Israel (or against any other public entity) is now against the Rules, feel free to delete this thread.. as I do not want to break the rules.

would one of the neocons explain why the US wont condemn an act the israeli govt themselves condemned?

A lot of people, including me, denounce Israeli crimes. But you're the only one who associates all Jews with the crimes of Israel. That's a form of racism, you know.

Even though Bolton will soon be replaced, I imagine a democratic Govt candidate would have ordered a similar veto. Its the sad reality.

I assume this is because I keep denouncing Israel wrongdoings.

Do you also denounce the wrongdoings of other countries such as Sudan, Zimbabwe, North Korea, etc?

Do you also denounce the wrongdoings of other countries such as Sudan, Zimbabwe, North Korea, etc?


There is a difference between Israel and those other countries. Israel is a developed nation, and should know better.

but.. My last such a Post got me a Warning from Freebisteria.. I assume this is because I keep denouncing Israel wrongdoings.

I believe it might be in the way you post sometimes... The Mods are not going to warn you just because you disagree with Israeli policy. What I find they often object to is tone and if your intent is to inflame supporters of Israeli policy.

That being said. No, Israel has never been held to account for more breaches of international law than any other country in the world because in fact the U.S. veto's most (If not all) resolutions put to the S.C. against Israel. Which yes is unfair.. and sadly no one said life was fair.

A lot of people, including me, denounce Israeli crimes. Then.. I assume you would have no problem finding a many quotes of you doing so.
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you're the only one who associates all Jews with the crimes of Israel. Then.. I assume you would not have a problem finding at least ONE quote proving it.
... That's a form of racism, you know.Its not a race.. just ask AtlanticIslands.
and like I said before
"there is nothing wrong being a Jew.. "
"I have good Jewish friends, I respect their views.. they respect mine"
"Even If some people here advocates for Palestinean/Lebanese/Iranian genocide (and they so not get warned).. I have never-ever said Jews/Israelis genocide is OK"

"urging an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza"

perhaps this is what he is vetoing rather than the condemnation?

U.S. vetoes U.N. resolution condemning Israel
40 minutes ago

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States on Saturday vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution urging an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and condemning an Israeli attack there that killed 18 Palestinian civilians.
...
But the "no" vote cast by U.S. Ambassador John Bolton -- his second since he arrived at U.N. headquarters in August 2005 -- was enough to kill the resolution.

Bolton's first veto, on July 13, 2006, killed a resolution reacting to an earlier Israeli incursion in Gaza.

Sources: www.Yahoo.com / OcceanNEWS

my2cents: I have always comdemned everything I seen wrong anywhere.. even my own Country.

the only times I got a torrent of flames is when I post this kind of news.. IS WHEN I DENOUNCE ISRAEL wrongdoins.. This kind of asimetric responce is not going to discourage me.. on the contrary.

but.. My last such a Post got me a Warning from Freebisteria.. I assume this is because I keep denouncing Israel wrongdoings.

so..
Notice to the Mod team.
If talking repeteadly against Israel (or against any other public entity) is now against the Rules, feel free to delete this thread.. as I do not want to break the rules.

You got a warning because you were repeatedly quoting me and editing the quotes to make it look like I was saying something that I never said. You're not the poor little victim, you're a fucking flamebaiting troll.

I like pancakes.

I don't see what's wrong with editing your quotes DCD. :D

There is a difference between Israel and those other countries. Israel is a devolved nation, and should know better.

So it is OK for third world countries to intentionally kill, starve, mutilate, and maim people but it isn't OK for developed nations to make a mistake that results in the killing of innocent people?

Do you also denounce the wrongdoings of other countries..Of course I do.

but Like I said.. (when it was not about Israel) I never got the kind of asymetric response (kill all your family/fucking nazi/dirty anti-semite, etc,etc,etc)

You're not the poor little victim, you're a fucking flamebaiting troll.

Hey, dude! That doesn't help either. It's like pot, kettle, black.

You don't win an argument by saying what you have here and accuse the other person at the same time of doing the same thing.

There is a difference between Israel and those other countries. Israel is a devolved nation, and should know better.

'devolved' ? I don't think Israel had ever had less bones about defending its citizens than it does now. You just heard about the mistakes and fuck-ups less back in the sixties and seventies, because the media was more disposed to be sympathetic. Not because the army was any more 'ethical', or because government policy was ever more soft. On the contrary, the opposite is true.

So it is OK for third world countries to intentionally kill, starve, mutilate, and maim people but it isn't OK for developed nations to make a mistake that results in the killing of innocent people?
Neither is okay. I condemn the life ending and life ruining acts of Israel right along with those of third world despots. Israel, however, has the benefit of Western standards of decency and ethical behavior, but they often chooses to ignore them.

Hey, dude! That doesn't help either. It's like pot, kettle, black.

You don't win an argument by saying what you have here and accuse the other person at the same time of doing the same thing.You're not a mod anymore Steph. DC doesn't need a nanny - if he gets himself deleted, it'll only be the umpteenth time, with his eyes wide open.

You're not a mod anymore Steph. DC doesn't need a nanny - if he gets himself deleted, it'll only be the umpteenth time, with his eyes wide open.

All true. But I thought maybe I should point it out none-the-less. :)

'devolved' ? I don't think Israel had ever had less bones about defending its citizens than it does now. You just heard about the mistakes and fuck-ups less back in the sixties and seventies, because the media was more disposed to be sympathetic. Not because the army was any more 'ethical', or because government policy was ever more soft. On the contrary, the opposite is true.
I meant to type "developed."

You are, of course, completely right.

You got a warning because you were repeatedly quoting me is there a quota for the numbers of quotes.. something like we are allowed only 5 quotes a day?
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You got a warning because .. editing the quotes to make it look like I was saying something that I never said. wait a minute..

Are you denying you meant to say "killing the Arabs is the better solution" ?
Are you denying you meant to say "I prefer to kill all Arabs"?
Are you denying you meant to say "Arab genocide"?
Are you denying you meant to say "we should kill all Arabs"?

Neither is okay. I condemn the life ending and life ruining acts of Israel right along with those of third world despots. Israel, however, has the benefit of Western standards of decency and ethical behavior, but they often chooses to ignore them.Anyone and everyone has the benefit of ethical behaviour. The west doesn't have a monopoly on ethics and good behavior.

I believe in holding everyone to the highest standards - I do not believe in 'expecting more' from anyone, or pardoning anyone because they come from a long line of murdering scumbags. We are all human, we are all capable of behaving in accordance to international law and common decency.

Anyone and everyone has the benefit of ethical behaviour. The west doesn't have a monopoly on ethics and good behavior.

I believe in holding everyone to the highest standards - I do not believe in 'expecting more' from anyone, or pardoning anyone because they come from a long line of murdering scumbags. We are all human, we are all capable of behaving in accordance to international law and common decency.

Hear, here!

is ther a quota for the numbers of quotes.. something like we are allowed only 5 quotes a day?
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wait a minute..

you are denying you to meant say "killing the Arabs is the better solution"
You are denying you meant to say "I prefet to kill all Arabs"
you are denying you meant "Arab genocide"
you are denying you meant to say "we should kill all Arabs"

Yes, you asshole. In all of those instances, you completely took the context away for each of those quotes to make it look like he said that, when reading the entirety of what he had posted it was clear that that wasn't his meaning. You deliberately removed all the context in order to make his comments look like you wanted them to look. That's why you were deleted. Because any and every rational human being looking at the situation would see that you deliberately misquoted him to make him appear to be a bigot.

Yes, you asshole.see? this is what I mean.

see? this is what I mean.

What? You dislike the accusation? Then stop acting like one and deliberately misquoting people. Which, as I'm sure you're well aware, is against the rules.

Anyone and everyone has the benefit of ethical behaviour. The west doesn't have a monopoly on ethics and good behavior.
Certainly not, but the West is the current bastion of such behavior.
We are all human, we are all capable of behaving in accordance to international law and common decency.
No they don't. Not if no one has ever taught them.

Yes, you asshole. In all of those instances, you completely took the context away for each of those quotes to make it look like he said that, when reading the entirety of what he had posted it was clear that that wasn't his meaning. In that thread I posted his full Quote.. and the post he was repling too

Link. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061111/wl_nm/mideast_un_dc)

It would have called on the Palestinian Authority to "take immediate and sustained action to bring an end to violence, including the firing of rockets on Israeli territory."

It would have urged the international community to take steps to stabilize the situation, revive the Middle East peace process and consider "the possible establishment of an international mechanism" for the protection of civilians.

It also would have condemned Israeli military operations in Gaza and called on the Jewish state to withdraw all troops from Gaza and end its operations in all Palestinian lands.

Now...

Bolton said Washington regretted the loss of life but was "disturbed at language in the resolution that is in many places biased against Israel and politically motivated."

He said the suggestion of a mechanism to protect civilians would raise false hopes, and he was disturbed the measure made no mention of the word "terrorism" or the Palestinians' elected Hamas government, which refuses to acknowledge Israel's right to exist or renounce violence.

Biased against Israel? It explicitly asked the Palestinians to clamp down on people shooting Qassams at Israel in addition to an Israeli pullout.

Should the resolution refer to the democratically elected H.A.M.A.S. government? Not if it doesn't ALSO refer to the elected Israeli government which condones invasions of territory given to the Palestinians.

What? You dislike the accusation? Then stop acting like one and deliberately misquoting people. Which, as I'm sure you're well aware, is against the rules.I always follow the rules.. he did mean to say "all Arabs".. and to make sure I also posted his full Quote AND the Quoted to wich he was replying.

if you do not beleive me.. ask him.

You got a warning because you were repeatedly quoting me

is there a quota for the numbers of quotes.. something like we are allowed only 5 quotes a day?
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His original post said:
You got a warning because you were repeatedly quoting me and editing the quotes to make it look like I was saying something that I never said.

The way you snipped this quote just further proves his point. You intentionally left out part of what he said to make him look like an idiot.

This is not the place to re-hash a Moderation decision.

Consider this a subtle hint.

You intentionally left out part of what he said ....Yes since the Nation states Forum exists.. for practical reason we do snip post.. As long as we don not modify the meaning.. and It the quoted Author aks for it.. we must post the full quote.. or he will do to expose you as a liar.

In this case I did post his Full Quote in that thread.

Certainly not, but the West is the current bastion of such behavior.Only in very recent history, and arguably not at all. The fact that the west appears to us to be 'civilized' or 'ethical' is highly dubious, or at the very least, highly arbitrary.
No they don't. Not if no one has ever taught them.I really don't want to get into cultural/moral relativsm, but I think the basic premise is that as Humans, everyone is capable of behaving at a base level of internationally recognized ethics. Saying otherwise strays dangerously into universal acceptance of the status quo because 'people don't know any better'. In fact, I don't see how major shifts can happen at all if people must be taught and immersed in societal norms to accept them. The west has shifted from thinking slavery is okay to thinking slavery is wrong, for example.

If learning is so very difficult, explain to me how al-queda can adeptly learn about the use of marketing, media relations, airplane navigation, and use of technology, yet cannot grasp notions of "do not murder" - which is a tennet of more or less every code of ethics worldwide. Currently, information, opinion, and foreign cultures are there for the taking, or at least ehre for observation. People make choices with that information, and must be accountable for their choices.

This is not the place to re-hash a Moderation decision.

Consider this a subtle hint.I ask all to stay on topic : "Why cant the UN condemn Israel "accidental/colateral" killing of Children"
(I do reserve the rigth to respond if others keep calling-me on the other issues)

I you absolutely need to talk about it the other stuff.. you will have to wait.. I may ask later for some small rule information.. at moderation.

#1 change of rules in editing (I dont really mind)
#2 ".. your post history" (this is more delicate)

when I do.. If I find the time do so (It does takes a lot of research.. and time is a luxury I dont have these days).. I shall post a link here.

You intentionally left out part of what he said...Yes since the Nation states Forum exists.. for practical reason we do snip post.. As long as we don not modify the meaning.. and It the quoted Author aks for it.. we must post the full quote.. or he will do to expose you as a liar.

In this case I did post his Full Quote in that thread.

Please learn to speak in congruent English, then come talk to me. Also, I said:
You intentionally left out part of what he said to make him look like an idiot.
NOT:
You intentionally left out part of what he said
The way you snipped my quote again totally removes the meaning of what was said, and now you are trying to make me look like an idiot. This qualifies as 'misquoting,' which is against the rules.

Neither is okay. I condemn the life ending and life ruining acts of Israel right along with those of third world despots. Israel, however, has the benefit of Western standards of decency and ethical behavior, but they often chooses to ignore them.

So, people in the third world do not have ethics and standards. Must they conform to the ehtics and standards of the West? Are the ehtics and standards of the West what the whole world should adopt? What makes you think Western ethics and standards are better than the standards of third world countries? :mad:

Neither is okay. I condemn the life ending and life ruining acts of Israel right along with those of third world despots. Israel, however, has the benefit of Western standards of decency and ethical behavior, but they often chooses to ignore them.

So, people in the third world do not have ethics and standards. Must they conform to the ehtics and standards of the West? Are the ehtics and standards of the West what the whole world should adopt? What makes you think Western ethics and standards are better than the standards of third world countries? :mad:

P.S. Many of the third world despots were educated in the West. :eek:

B]My last such a Post got me a Warning from Freebisteria.. [/B] I assume this is because I keep denouncing Israel wrongdoings.

so..
Notice to the Mod team.
If talking repeteadly against Israel (or against any other public entity) is now against the Rules, feel free to delete this thread.. as I do not want to break the rules.
Do you not even bother to read the warnings posted against your threads?
It is not a question.. its actually (a clear cut statement of) DCD's personal opinion.

What's clear-cut about it is that you chose to selectively edit it to turn it into something it isn't.

Let's make that an Official Warning for flamebaiting. You might have gotten off lighter, but given your post history, you're LONG overdue for warning.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
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You took a hypothetical worst-case example, snipped out all the hypothetical language, and attributed it as the actual opinion of somebody you were arguing with. You got warned for taking the quote out of context and turning it into a flame.

As you've seen fit to re-raise the point and deny what is plain and obvious to anyone who wants to track the relevant threads, you get a forum vacation.

Forumban, one week, flamebaiting (and failure to learn)


~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator
The One-Stop Rules Shop

Yes, you asshole.
You're not the poor little victim, you're a fucking flamebaiting troll.
You guys know better than to flame in response to trolling. Drunk commies deleted, you know better but don't seem to care. Given that and your extensive warning history, you can take a three day vacation too.

Drunk commies deleted; Forumban, three days, flaming (and failure to learn)

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator
The One-Stop Rules Shop