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We've had a few 'greatest albums' and 'greatest bands' threads. Now to go where most of them end up anyway. What bands do you think are some of histories most overated acts?

The ones that spring to mind for me in the 30 seconds i've been thinking about it are

1. Coldplay
2. White Stripes
3. Korn
4. Sex Pistols (yeah i'm going to get torn a new one for that. <insert personal opinion disclaimer here>)


Thoughts?

Edit: I've added a Poll. Of course due to technical restrictions it is incredibly limited. But polls are fun :D

Green Day
The Beatles(Yeah, I said it!)
The Black Eyed Peas
Creedence Clearwater Revival.

Metallica and Rage against the Machine.

Primary reason: The radio station I listen to plays at least one of each whenever I'm in the car. Without fail.

If I ain't hearing about deciding to open some door, I'm hearing some scratchy voiced twit talking about renegades of funk. Bloody annoying.

Thoughts?

I like your name:D

Metallica and Rage against the Machine.

Primary reason: The radio station I listen to plays at least one of each whenever I'm in the car. Without fail.

If I ain't hearing about deciding to open some door, I'm hearing some scratchy voiced twit talking about renegades of funk. Bloody annoying.

ooh. Yeah. Metallica. Them too. *nod*

The Rolling Stones, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Metallica, Radiohead.

The latter two are okay, but simply get too much credit IMO. The first two I really dislike and don't understand the fuss.


1. Coldplay
2. White Stripes
3. Korn
4. Sex Pistols (yeah i'm going to get torn a new one for that. <insert personal opinion disclaimer here>)

Hmm, I dunno. For every one of their fans, all of those bands seem to have just as many people who hate 'em.

Green Day
The Beatles(Yeah, I said it!)
The Black Eyed Peas
Creedence Clearwater Revival.

I agree 101.5698475%

Green Day
The Beatles(Yeah, I said it!)
The Black Eyed Peas
Creedence Clearwater Revival.

Yeah, good one.

We've had a few 'greatest albums' and 'greatest bands' threads. Now to go where most of them end up anyway. What bands do you think are some of histories most overated acts?

The ones that spring to mind for me in the 30 seconds i've been thinking about it are

1. Coldplay
2. White Stripes
3. Korn
4. Sex Pistols (yeah i'm going to get torn a new one for that. <insert personal opinion disclaimer here>)


Thoughts?

Yeah Korn and Coldplay sucks.

Metallica
Sex Pistols
Guns N Roses

When people start ranting about how great any of those bands are, I know the rest of their music collection won't interest me. ;)

Green Day
The Beatles(Yeah, I said it!)
The Black Eyed Peas
Creedence Clearwater Revival.


I can totally understand your Beatles stance....but CCR? Hell they arent well known anyway. Ask any emo/goth kid.. they probably never heard of em. But I'd bet they'v heard of Beatles, Zepplin, Floyd, Sabbath etc etc.

Ofcourse the Black Eyed Peas suck. And so does Fergie on her own.

Guns N Roses


Them, too.

I like your name:D

hail comrade!

Allow me to clarify The Beatles being overrated. They have some excellent songs. I have several on my playlist. However, I have two big problems with them.

First, With a couple rare exceptions, all their biggest hits that made them the most famous rock band in history have been their least relevant most assinine pop drivel they've written. Their GOOD stuff is (almost) entirely unknown.

Second, they are so incredibly sucked up to by aging out of date magazine editors who do nothing but sell the most popular moneymaking drivel on the modern market *cough*rolling stone magazine *cough*. Case in point:

Rolling Stone's Top Ten Greatest Albums Ever:

#1.
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
The Beatles
:: details :: buy now ::



#2.
Pet Sounds
The Beach Boys
:: details :: buy now ::



#3.
Revolver
The Beatles
:: details :: buy now ::



#4.
Highway 61 Revisited
Bob Dylan
:: details :: buy now ::



#5.
Rubber Soul
The Beatles
:: details :: buy now ::



#6.
What's Going On
Marvin Gaye
:: details :: buy now ::



#7.
Exile On Main St.
Rolling Stones
:: details :: buy now ::



#8.
London Calling
The Clash
:: details :: buy now ::



#9.
Blonde On Blonde
Bob Dylan
:: details :: buy now ::



#10.
The Beatles
The Beatles

Four....FOUR Beatles albums in the top ten! What a bunch of kiss asses! :p

as far as my own picks, I am going with:

Pink Floyd(I like them a bit, but they are not as good as everyone says)
Rolling Stones
AC/DC
Nirvana

I can totally understand your Beatles stance....but CCR? Hell they arent well known anyway.



The hell they aren't. If I hear "whoooooooo'll stop theeeeeee rain" or "don't gooooo round toniiiiiiiight" again i'm gonna scream. I get those once every half an hour at work and they drive me nuts. I find his voice incredibly irritating.

Oh, and my favourite, oobie doobie:

Hey baby, jump over here;
When you do the ooby dooby I gotta be there;

Chorus:
Ooby dooby, ooby dooby, ooby dooby, ooby dooby,
Ooby dooby ooby dooby ooby dooby
Ooby doo wah, doo wah, doo wah, doo wah.

Well, you wiggle to the left, you wiggle to the right;
You do the ooby dooby with all your might;

Chorus

Well, you wiggle an you shake like a big rattlesnake;
You do the ooby dooby till you think youre gonna break.

Chorus

Im movin and struttin cause now I know
How to do the ooby dooby, baby, lets go.

Chorus

Yeah! Rockin'.


Oh, and Lynyrd Skynyrd suck too.

I can totally understand your Beatles stance....but CCR? Hell they arent well known anyway. Ask any emo/goth kid.. they probably never heard of em. But I'd bet they'v heard of Beatles, Zepplin, Floyd, Sabbath etc etc.

Ofcourse the Black Eyed Peas suck. And so does Fergie on her own.

Listen to CCR's and Ike and Tina's versions of Proud Mary for an excellent summary of what CCR is: A legendary songwriter and his buddies who can barely manage to not totally mangle their first-class songs by playing them themselves. :p

I myself am a Punk/Indie kinda guy, so by nature, I am not at all sympathetic of the cheesy pop that bursts onto the scene with a single on VH1 and is forgotten two weeks later. Case and point, Nell Furtado, Brooke hogan (ickkkky), Jo Jo (didnt even bother too listen too the song) Fergie (once again, yikes) Sean Paul, blah blah blah. Now dont get me wrong, I love pop punk, (Fall Out Boy) and they were glorified on MTV, but they continue too make good music, and they dont lip sync live, and they can actually play insturments! (looks at fergie)

1. White Stripes
2. Incubus
3. Cold Play
4. Led Zepplin

Rubber Bands, Elastic Bands, Hair Bands, etc, etc.:D

Nirvana (wouldn't be a tenth as popular if that joke guitarist hadn't blown his face off)
KISS (they just plain suck; a talentless gimmic band)
Green Day
Anti-Flag (talentless schmoes)
My Chemical Romance (a shitty version of Smashing Pumpkins)
Metallica
Sex Pistols

Nirvana (wouldn't be a tenth as popular if that joke guitarist hadn't blown his face off)
KISS (they just plain suck; a talentless gimmic band)
Green Day
Anti-Flag (talentless schmoes)
My Chemical Romance (a shitty version of Smashing Pumpkins)
Metallica
Sex Pistols
Crud, i can't believe i forgot Nirvana.:(

Crud, i can't believe i forgot Nirvana.:(

There's a reason they're first on my list; I hate them.

There's a reason they're first on my list; I hate them.
I only like In Bloom(or full Bloom(Whatever)) apart from that they are suck ass

Green Day
U2
Sex Pistols
Nirvana

Some of these I like, but don't deserve the acclaim that they get.

Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, U2, Dave Matthews Band, Radiohead, Coldplay, Korn, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Clash, Guns n Roses, The Doors, The Grateful Dead, Dream Theater
Nirvana (wouldn't be a tenth as popular if that joke guitarist hadn't blown his face off)
KISS (they just plain suck; a talentless gimmic band)
Green Day
Anti-Flag (talentless schmoes)
My Chemical Romance (a shitty version of Smashing Pumpkins)
Metallica
Sex PistolsI shudder to think what it is that you do like.

Some of these I like, but don't deserve the acclaim that they get.

Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, U2, Dave Matthews Band, Radiohead, Coldplay, Korn, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Clash, Guns n Roses, The Doors, The Grateful Dead, Dream Theater
I shudder to think what it is that you do like.

Well, just from your list, I've found three. What's your disagreement with my list? :)

Well, just from your list, I've found three. What's your disagreement with my list? :)Everything except Kiss. Though I could concede that My Chemical Romance is overrated, but not shitty.

INXS - I loathe their music.

U2 - A bunch of pretentious wankers & their music is only so-so.

Sex Pistols
Guns N Roses
The Who (good, but not my favorite)
Led Zeppelin (same as the who)
Rush
Aerosmith
Rolling Stones

Dream Theater

Oh yeah, them too.

Kiss
Any emo music
Any manufactured pop

I think Green Day is undderrated, everybody hates them! Whenever I say that I like Green Day, everybody yells at me.

I think Green Day is undderrated, everybody hates them! Whenever I say that I like Green Day, everybody yells at me.

It's only new Green Day I don't like. The old stuff is okay. Same with the Offspring.

It's only new Green Day I don't like. The old stuff is okay. Same with the Offspring.

And teh people who don't get mad at me say that. I like all of their stuff, but I especially like Nimrod.

Any Macho Joke band that came out of the 80's.

You know, Metallica, for instance. All the hairbands.

AC/DC is THE most overrated band of all time.

Pink Floyd is right behind them.

Some of these I like, but don't deserve the acclaim that they get.

Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, U2, Dave Matthews Band, Radiohead, Coldplay, Korn, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Clash, Guns n Roses, The Doors, The Grateful Dead, Dream Theater




I can't believe you've said that the bands I've emboldened are overated :eek:

And teh people who don't get mad at me say that. I like all of their stuff, but I especially like Nimrod.

Same. For me it's all about revolution of music. You can't expect a band to keep playing the same stuff they did when they came out.

It's what makes Green Day a true group of artists.

The only bad thing is that now an anti-corporate band is popular.

Sort of like Pearl Jam.

Green Day


:)


The Beatles(Yeah, I said it!)


:eek: :mad: !!!!


The Black Eyed Peas


:D


Creedence Clearwater Revival.

:confused:

I shudder to think what it is that you do like.

Music maybe, real music that is.

Same. For me it's all about revolution of music. You can't expect a band to keep playing the same stuff they did when they came out.

It's what makes Green Day a true group of artists.

The only bad thing is that now an anti-corporate band is popular.

Sort of like Pearl Jam.

AND people think they sold out, but people like their music, so they got a record contract, big deal.

On this forum, by one specific poster - Rush.

Genisis/Phil Collins

And teh people who don't get mad at me say that. I like all of their stuff, but I especially like Nimrod.

Meh, music is music. It's your taste, not anyone else's. Remember that. :)

I can still be a pretentious bastard whenever I feel like it though. ;)

On this forum, by one specific poster - Rush.

Hehehehe.

My list:

New order: their songs are just, crap

Arctic Monkeys: It's not that I don't like them, it's just they don't deserve the attention they get.

Green Day: They are just mediocre, never written anything original or exceptionally good, they are just too average.

Meh, music is music. It's your taste, not anyone else's. Remember that. :)





Too true.

I can't believe you've said that the bands I've emboldened are overated :eek:They are. At best, some of those bands are good, but they don't belong on the 'best bands' lists.

Music maybe, real music that is.I doubt it, ze said ze disliked Nirvana.

I doubt it, ze said ze disliked Nirvana.

Heh. I find someone's opinion of Nirvana is usually the first indication I have that I'll get on with or absolutely hate someone's music taste.

We've had a few 'greatest albums' and 'greatest bands' threads. Now to go where most of them end up anyway. What bands do you think are some of histories most overated acts?

The ones that spring to mind for me in the 30 seconds i've been thinking about it are

1. Coldplay
2. White Stripes
3. Korn
4. Sex Pistols (yeah i'm going to get torn a new one for that. <insert personal opinion disclaimer here>)


Thoughts?

Somebody said the beatles, and while they leave me cold, it should be pointed out that some things were probably best heard at the time - before they became ripped off, improved on etc and so on. Led Zeppelin and Skynrd etc would probably be the same Therefore I will only slag off wankers who have been current in or around "my era".

Coldplay - o fer fucks sake....I can take 'miserable', but 'mopey' should be taken out and bayoneted.

Oasis-what a load of fucking shite. Second rate semi-beatles shite that might have been cutting edge if it was released in 1974. Why they became successful without the level of contempt they deserve is beyond me.

Snowpatrol - Behold my bollocks, ask ye of it...soggy shite.

U2 - Didn't like them way back then, later, or now.

Metallica - There were a good band, but never a great band.

Guns n Roses - I heard that 1st album on import, before it became "mega" and thought there was maybe 1 half good track on it. I didn't bother taping it and gave it back to the lad who owned it. Imagine the shock then some months later......

I was unaware that "my chemical..", Offspring, Greenday, etc were "rated" in any real sense.

Radiohead and Coldplay. I don't see what's the big deal about them. They seem boring and somewhat pretentious to me. Critics seem to love them, but for the life of me I can't see why.

Heh. I find someone's opinion of Nirvana is usually the first indication I have that I'll get on with or absolutely hate someone's music taste.

I like Nirvana, I've got a couple of their albums, but I don't think they were the saviours of rock or anything like that. Bands like Mudhoney or The Melvins that predated Nirvana are, in my opinion, musically more worthy.

I like Nirvana, I've got a couple of their albums, but I don't think they were the saviours of rock or anything like that. Bands like Mudhoney or The Melvins that predated Nirvana are, in my opinion, musically more worthy.Oh, I love Mudhoney and the Melvins, but I think Nirvana took what they did and perfected it (while also perfecting Sonic Youth).

Really, any rock group that is widely considered "legendary" or "great" is overrated.

Radiohead and Coldplay. I don't see what's the big deal about them. They seem boring and somewhat pretentious to me. Critics seem to love them, but for the life of me I can't see why.

Listen to the solo to Paranoid Android to see why Radiohead are so highly rated. :D
Coldplay are just a poor version of Radiohead.

Listen to the solo to Paranoid Android to see why Radiohead are so highly rated. :D zzzzzzzz

*looks around*…Bruce Springsteen *waits for father to beat me*

And…

The Fratellis - they had one song you could sing along to (and stand) on a drunken night :mad:
Faithless - what is this shit seriously
System of a down - the sad thing is I like the bands first 2 albums then as far as I’m concerned they died in a horrible car crash

Listen to the solo to Paranoid Android to see why Radiohead are so highly rated. :D
Coldplay are just a poor version of Radiohead.

I've heard it and I still don't think much of it.

Oh, I love Mudhoney and the Melvins, but I think Nirvana took what they did and perfected it (while also perfecting Sonic Youth).

I'd choose The Pixies, Sonic Youth, Alice in Chains or Soundgarden over Nirvana also.

I'd choose The Pixies, Sonic Youth, Alice in Chains or Soundgarden over Nirvana also.Eh. Your choice, but I shall register my disagreement. (Not that these bands aren't also good.)

Oh, I love Mudhoney and the Melvins, but I think Nirvana took what they did and perfected it (while also perfecting Sonic Youth).

Hmmm, I think Nirvana represented more of a coming together rather than an outright perfection of those styles. It's sometimes quite hard to associate Mudhoney with some of the work of the Melvins; one is an often fast-paced punk band and the other plays slow, brooding rock approaching metal. (obviously you know this, but i'm just having a rant. bear with me. ;)) And then there's obviously the Sonic Youth influence on top of it.

Each of those bands did what they did very well and practiced their art to a form of near-perfection; Nirvana mixed 'em up into one nice little package rather than outright bettered the work of those bands. As a result I think that Nirvana are the better band since they show a greater depth of musical sensibility; but i'm not sure if I could ever see Nirvana doing a drone/doom record like the Melvins' self-titled album, for example - so I couldn't say Nirvana were better at what the Melvins did than the Melvins were.

At the end of the day, people "get" Nirvana, or they don't. I find that those who cite Nirvana as one of the bands to give them a musical awakening often have a really broad taste in music; since they followed on from the diverse influences that made up Nirvana. People who grew up with them can usually appreciate both punk and metal and not instantly dismiss anything remotely poppy as rubbish; Most people stick to established comfort zones and rarely venture out. Of course, not saying this is exclusive to Nirvana fans at all; just that i've noticed most actually do have or will develop this trait.

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Haha. Yeah. I think i'm one of the only people to think that Radiohead's Amnesiac was a work of genius while I hold most of their other work up as merely average.

Haha. Yeah. I think i'm one of the only people to think that Radiohead's Amnesiac was a work of genius while I hold most of their other work up as merely average.

I've got Pablo Honey & The Bends, but I don't think I've ever listened to Amnesiac. I don't even know what songs are on it.

I've got Pablo Honey & The Bends, but I don't think I've ever listened to Amnesiac. I don't even know what songs are on it.

It's very different from those two albums. (I like the Bends, but it's not fantastic. There's only one song I really like on it, and that's Street Spirit) It's not the sort of album you make singles out of. Try downloading "Pyramid Song".

Hmmm, I think Nirvana represented more of a coming together rather than an outright perfection of those styles. It's sometimes quite hard to associate Mudhoney with some of the work of the Melvins; one is an often fast-paced punk band and the other plays slow, brooding rock approaching metal. (obviously you know this, but i'm just having a rant. bear with me. ) And then there's obviously the Sonic Youth influence on top of it.

Each of those bands did what they did very well and practiced their art to a form of near-perfection; Nirvana mixed 'em up into one nice little package rather than outright bettered the work of those bands. As a result I think that Nirvana are the better band since they show a greater depth of musical sensibility; but i'm not sure if I could ever see Nirvana doing a drone/doom record like the Melvins' self-titled album, for example - so I couldn't say Nirvana were better at what the Melvins did than the Melvins were.Hm. I can see what you're saying; I suppose what I meant was not that they did what those bands did better than those bands, but rather that they took the good parts of what those bands did and made something better.
This is essentially what you said, but I think it would be difficult to explain how I mean it, so I'll leave it at that.
(I snipped the last paragraph because I agree with it.)

Haha. Yeah. I think i'm one of the only people to think that Radiohead's Amnesiac was a work of genius while I hold most of their other work up as merely average.I haven't heard the whole of any of their albums other than Pablo Honey, but other than "Creep", and a couple songs from The Bends (and one song from Kid A, I think), I'm not too thrilled with them. I suppose it could just be that the record company picks bad songs to be the singles, which can happen.

Hm. I can see what you're saying; I suppose what I meant was not that they did what those bands did better than those bands, but rather that they took the good parts of what those bands did and made something better.
This is essentially what you said, but I think it would be difficult to explain how I mean it, so I'll leave it at that.
(I snipped the last paragraph because I agree with it.)

Pretty much, yeah. It was really hard to articulate what I meant there, so i'm glad you figured it out, at least. :p

I haven't heard the whole of any of their albums other than Pablo Honey, but other than "Creep", and a couple songs from The Bends (and one song from Kid A, I think), I'm not too thrilled with them. I suppose it could just be that the record company picks bad songs to be the singles, which can happen.

That's the problem I have. I like their softer moments because I don't think they rock out too well at all; unfortunately, slow soft songs rarely translate into hit singles. Amnesiac is the only album of theirs i've heard that consistently delivers on the particular style i'm talking about, although I must note that I haven't heard the entirety of all of their albums either - I have OK Computer and The Bends as well, but I hardly ever listen to them since I don't enjoy them that much (but i'm led to believe that Kid A is somewhat similar to Amnesiac...so maybe I should check that one out). But anyway, most Radiohead fans don't seem to think as highly of it as I do, and cite OK Computer as the classic. I'm stumped as to why.

Arctic Monkeys: It's not that I don't like them, it's just they don't deserve the attention they get.

Here in the US, when I listen to them people have no idea who I am talking about. :)

Green Day: They are just mediocre, never written anything original or exceptionally good, they are just too average.

They seem to poppy with their new stuff, but I like that song they did w/ U2, if only for the lyrics. They speak to me, and it's weird and I dont like it.

1. Coldplay
2. White Stripes
3. Korn
4. Sex Pistols (yeah i'm going to get torn a new one for that. <insert personal opinion disclaimer here>)


Thoughts?

half agree half disagree.
pistols and stripes rock.
coldplay and korn suck.

most overrated band ever nirvana.
other overrated musicians. hendricks and pete dotherty.

metallica, nirvana, coldplay

Okay, I want to know if the people who listed the Sex Pistols are doing so because they dislike the music, or if they're doing it because they think they were "manufactured" (which is a total load of bullshit, thanks Malcolm McLaren). Nine out of ten times on these internet forums, I've found that people place their hate on that band because they've read that they were fake. It rarely ever has anything to do with their music.

As for the Rush vote... Good to see you again, AB. :p


Most over-rated, eh? Well, I'll try my hand at that. Based simply on radio play and magazine articles, it should be pretty difficult to argue with my list. Now, I'm not saying that any of these bands suck (well, one of them does)... I'm just saying that they are ridiculously over-rated.


1: The Beatles
2: Led Zeppelin
3: Jimi Hendrix
4: Lynyrd Skynyrd
5: The Clash


The Beatles
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There's really not much to say about this one. Their good stuff is never heard on the radio, and magazine editors never talk about it. They became famous for their scatterbrain Pop numbers, and that's terrible. They released so much good material that never even receives notice, and you never get to hear any of it unless you're a collector of their 45's and demo material.

Led Zeppelin
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Yeah, they were great, and they still are. But, they receive far too much praise for what they did. Every single day on any Classic Rock station, you'll hear at least three Led Zeppelin songs, two of them being Stairway To Heaven, the other being Black Dog. The music is definitely there, but as far as I'm concerned, to be truly "great" requires all parts of the band to be equally good. As far as lyrics go, Led Zeppelin were very standard, and this is never mentioned by magazine editors and general reviewers. And why does John Paul Jones always get the shaft? Jimmy Page was a very sloppy guitarist (you could even call him a fuck-up on occasion), yet guitar magazines praise him as one of the best ever. And again, where's the (necessary) praise for John Paul Jones, the one who could always keep a tune going? Nowhere.

Jimi Hendrix
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He was one of the best, no question. But, he receives far too much praise for his later work, which was basically noodling. His earlier Rock material is largely unknown by most people who have heard of him, yet it's his best work by far. And then, nobody ever seems to mention the fact that he often had multiple fuck-ups during live sets in his later years, for which he would apologise for "not getting things together". Again, this is a case of ass kissing by magazine editors and so-called "Classic" Rock stations. Legend over substance.

Lynyrd Skynyrd
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This is a special entry on my list, because not only are they over-rated, their music just flat-out sucks. How many times do I have to hear "Sweet Home Alabama" before it finally gives me a coronary? And then, what about "Freebird"? Their music can be put under one very simple category: Standard. A blade of grass in a very large, green field.

The Clash
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Joe Strummer's a hero! Their music is without peer! No, sorry, not true. Not by a longshot. Joe Strummer, while he wrote some good songs, the bulk of his writing was standard fare: The man's keeping us down, so we have to fight/complain/mill around, and we still get nothing. Oppression everywhere! Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Lyrics aside, their music isn't as good as it's said to be, either. What could've been classic recorded material was turned into piss by a total lack of energy in the studio, poor production, and a bassist who was completely without talent. And did it get better as time went on? No, it just got worse. Their best studio work, The Clash, gets almost no acknowledgement when compared to the blatantly inferior London Calling. Once again, this is a case of legend over substance.

2: Led Zeppelin
3: Jimi Hendrix
4: Lynyrd Skynyrd
5: The Clash


can only agree with you on jimi. huge fan of other 4.

That's the problem I have. I like their softer moments because I don't think they rock out too well at all; unfortunately, slow soft songs rarely translate into hit singles. Amnesiac is the only album of theirs i've heard that consistently delivers on the particular style i'm talking about, although I must note that I haven't heard the entirety of all of their albums either - I have OK Computer and The Bends as well, but I hardly ever listen to them since I don't enjoy them that much (but i'm led to believe that Kid A is somewhat similar to Amnesiac...so maybe I should check that one out). But anyway, most Radiohead fans don't seem to think as highly of it as I do, and cite OK Computer as the classic. I'm stumped as to why.I personally think that if you're going to have music that minimal, you usually need to compensate by having a really heavy vocal performance. I know Thom Yorke has the potential to do it, but I don't know how often he delivers.

Led Zeppelin
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Yeah, they were great, and they still are. But, they receive far too much praise for what they did. Every single day on any Classic Rock station, you'll hear at least three Led Zeppelin songs, two of them being Stairway To Heaven, the other being Black Dog. The music is definitely there, but as far as I'm concerned, to be truly "great" requires all parts of the band to be equally good. As far as lyrics go, Led Zeppelin were very standard, and this is never mentioned by magazine editors and general reviewers. And why does John Paul Jones always get the shaft? Jimmy Page was a very sloppy guitarist (you could even call him a fuck-up on occasion), yet guitar magazines praise him as one of the best ever. And again, where's the (necessary) praise for John Paul Jones, the one who could always keep a tune going? Nowhere.Yeah, I always thought their rhythm section was the talented half of the band.
Also, I have to give JPJ credit for producing early Butthole Surfers albums and having the balls to do an album with Diamanda Galas.

I personally think that if you're going to have music that minimal, you usually need to compensate by having a really heavy vocal performance. I know Thom Yorke has the potential to do it, but I don't know how often he delivers.

Yeah, I always thought their rhythm section was the talented half of the band.
Also, I have to give JPJ credit for producing early Butthole Surfers albums and having the balls to do an album with Diamanda Galas.

1: Like Public Image Limited.

2: As far as I'm concerned, JPJ is right up there with Geddy Lee.

Everything except Kiss. Though I could concede that My Chemical Romance is overrated, but not shitty.

Nirvana sucks serious shit and I'm staying solid on my point that they wouldn't be a tenth as popular today if he hadn't blasted his face off like a selfish coward.

There is nothing that isn't bad about My Chemical Romance. They talentless jokes who parade around like corpses whining about how miserable life is. There isn't a single good thing about emo music.

KISS is, as you agree, a joke gimmick band.

Green Day is a lousy attempt to mix pop and punk. It fails miserably. That, and they look like emo fucks.

Anti-Flag just plain blows. They literally have no talent whatsoever. I'm amazed by their ability to even form mostly-coherent lyrics. That, and I despise the "bite the hand that feeds" mentality they possess. All that said, I've seen them live and it blew.

My favorite band? Flogging Molly.

1. Pretty much every single metal band ever. I know there's a tonne of metal fans here, but frankly, I think you're all musically retarded if you like this shit.
2. U2
3. Green Day
4. Weird Al Yankonovic
5. Arctic Monkeys
6. AFI
7. Belle & Sebastian
8. Tenacious D
9. Flogging Molly, and pretty much every punk band ever.

Pete Doherty.

NOTICE TO THE POLICE: If you can't get him for drug offences, nail him for crimes against music. Please?

Green Day
U2
Coldplay
The Rolling stones
Led Zepplin
ACDC
Radio Head
Kiss
Every Emo band.

1. Pretty much every single metal band ever. I know there's a tonne of metal fans here, but frankly, I think you're all musically retarded if you like this shit.
2. U2
3. Green Day
4. Weird Al Yankonovic
5. Arctic Monkeys
6. AFI
7. Belle & Sebastian
8. Tenacious D
9. Flogging Molly, and pretty much every punk band ever.

I'd agree with every point except flogging molly.

Nirvana sucks serious shit and I'm staying solid on my point that they wouldn't be a tenth as popular today if he hadn't blasted his face off like a selfish coward. Whether or not they'd be as popular, they'd still be the best band of all time.

There is nothing that isn't bad about My Chemical Romance. They talentless jokes who parade around like corpses whining about how miserable life is. There isn't a single good thing about emo music.<shrug> I wouldn't consider them to be even all that a depressive of a band.

Green Day is a lousy attempt to mix pop and punk. It fails miserably. That, and they look like emo fucks.I never really understood the irrational hatred of emo.

Anti-Flag just plain blows. They literally have no talent whatsoever. I'm amazed by their ability to even form mostly-coherent lyrics. That, and I despise the "bite the hand that feeds" mentality they possess. All that said, I've seen them live and it blew.I've seen them live and it kicked ass. To each his own, I guess.

My favorite band? Flogging Molly.I can't say I'm impressed by what I've heard, but to be fair I haven't heard much.

1. Pretty much every single metal band ever. I know there's a tonne of metal fans here, but frankly, I think you're all musically retarded if you like this shit....says the person who mostly likes electronic music.

Whether or not they'd be as popular, they'd still be the best band of all time.
...okay, they're good, but they're not THAT good...

<shrug> I wouldn't consider them to be even all that a depressive of a band.
Nope, they're not...

I never really understood the irrational hatred of emo.
People see emo as homosexual, and that draws out the homophobe in them.
That's my theory, anyway.

I've seen them live and it kicked ass. To each his own, I guess.
Lucky bastard...

I can't say I'm impressed by what I've heard, but to be fair I haven't heard much.
They're pretty good (not as good as Dropkick Murphys, though), although... it's hard to like them as much when they have fans like this.

...says the person who mostly likes electronic music.
Hehe, look at the rest of his list, too. Yeah, punk, that's a waaay overrated genre, what with all the talentless punk bands that get mainstream success. (Ramones aside, that's mostly sarcasm...)

...okay, they're good, but they're not THAT good...I disagree. Some band has to be the best band of all time (or perhaps, someone might like a couple so much that they all qualify).

People see emo as homosexual, and that draws out the homophobe in them.
That's my theory, anyway.Ah, I see. I suppose it could be that. The biggest criticism I can give to (what it today called) emo is that it tends to be bland.

Lucky bastard...Well, they are from here, and all...though they don't play here as much as they did.

They're pretty good (not as good as Dropkick Murphys, though), although... it's hard to like them as much when they have fans like this.Lol. Don't worry, I won't let him bias me. :)

Hehe, look at the rest of his list, too. Yeah, punk, that's a waaay overrated genre, what with all the talentless punk bands that get mainstream success. (Ramones aside, that's mostly sarcasm...)It's not that all electronic music is bad, either. Some of it is good. It was more his condemnation of metal (and punk, but he didn't call punk fans 'musically retarded' that I disagreed with.)

Hehe, look at the rest of his list, too. Yeah, punk, that's a waaay overrated genre, what with all the talentless punk bands that get mainstream success. (Ramones aside, that's mostly sarcasm...)

Actually, the Ramones never got mainstream success until after the end of the band. Their best-selling record was Rocket To Russia, and it barely even made the charts.

1. Pretty much every single metal band ever. I know there's a tonne of metal fans here, but frankly, I think you're all musically retarded if you like this shit.

Why? What specific flavour of metal are you referring to?

...says the person who mostly likes electronic music.

I'm not sure where you got that idea. I listen to a lot of electronic, yes, but my favourite genre is not that, and I listen to far more rock than I do electronic. I'm sorry that you are a fan of metal, but hey, the truth hurts. It's shit. So's most punk.

Why? What specific flavour of metal are you referring to?

Pretty much all I've heard in the span of my lifetime. Since those traumatising moments, I've strived to avoid it.

Pretty much all I've heard in the span of my lifetime. Since those traumatising moments, I've strived to avoid it.

Well, I don't see how one can make the claim that all metal fans are "musically retarded". I would agree that some are; but then that applies equally across all genres. Metal is diverse enough to encompass the crap that wants to sound "brutal" as well as the more atmospheric and musically proficient stuff. You haven't really explained your point of view beyond "It's shit and you like it, you're a retard", which is hardly justification for any position. If you're so musically enlightened, why don't you give us a well thought out critique of it?

Well, I don't see how one can make the claim that all metal fans are "musically retarded". I would agree that some are; but then that applies equally across all genres. Metal is diverse enough to encompass the crap that wants to sound "brutal" as well as the more atmospheric and musically proficient stuff. You haven't really explained your point of view beyond "It's shit and you like it, you're a retard", which is hardly justification for any position. If you're so musically enlightened, why don't you give us a well thought out critique of it?

Oh, I never once claimed it was an informed opinion. I have not sampled much metal, because the metal I have been subjected to sounded horrible. More horrible than almost any other music I've heard.

Oh, I never once claimed it was an informed opinion. I have not sampled much metal, because the metal I have been subjected to sounded horrible. More horrible than almost any other music I've heard.

What do you usually listen to?

What do you usually listen to?

I have a vast music collection. It varies greatly depending upon my mood. I download pretty much any album not in the metal category as soon as it's released in torrent form.

I have a vast music collection. It varies greatly depending upon my mood. I download pretty much any album not in the metal category as soon as it's released in torrent form.

Which doesn't tell me much. :p What are your favourite artists?

Which doesn't tell me much. :p What are your favourite artists?

Again, it varies depending upon my mood. I honestly can't say I have favourite artists. I've been listening to a lot of electro-indie lately, though. Ratatat, The Faint etc.

Nirvana, Coldplay, John Mayer, anything "emo" (AFI, MCR, etc etc) and Cradle of Filth.

EDIT: Oh and I can't forget The Ramones. Hate those bastards.

Again, it varies depending upon my mood. I honestly can't say I have favourite artists. I've been listening to a lot of electro-indie lately, though. Ratatat, The Faint etc.

Hmm. I'm not sure what I can recommend based on that that might be considered metal and help to broaden your horizons somewhat. There are bands like Pitchshifter that are an "almost" case, I guess, and plenty of industrial crossover acts. And there's Refused, but I guess the vocals might be a sticking point for you. There's also post-rock bands like 65daysofstatic that lean into the heavier side of music. You might like some of them.

But eh. When I first started getting into music, my perception of metal was that of kids who listened to bands like Metallica, kids who listened to stuff like Korn, and stuff nobody listened to like black metal. I didn't really click with any of them and my opinion of metal was pretty "meh", but I think "musically retarded" is a bit over the top. Since then i've opened my mind and found a lot of stuff I actually like. It's just my experience that a lot of people who can metal haven't actually bothered to hear much of it at all....well, that applies to people who can all genres, I guess.

Hmm. I'm not sure what I can recommend based on that that might be considered metal and help to broaden your horizons somewhat. There are bands like Pitchshifter that are an "almost" case, I guess, and plenty of industrial crossover acts. And there's Refused, but I guess the vocals might be a sticking point for you. There's also post-rock bands like 65daysofstatic that lean into the heavier side of music. You might like some of them.

But eh. When I first started getting into music, my perception of metal was that of kids who listened to bands like Metallica, kids who listened to stuff like Korn, and stuff nobody listened to like black metal. I didn't really click with any of them and my opinion of metal was pretty "meh", but I think "musically retarded" is a bit over the top. Since then i've opened my mind and found a lot of stuff I actually like. It's just my experience that a lot of people who can metal haven't actually bothered to hear much of it at all....well, that applies to people who can all genres, I guess.

I like my coffee black LIKE I LIKE MY METAL!

<3 that song - I don't even like black metal, but I like that song.

I like my coffee black LIKE I LIKE MY METAL!

<3 that song - I don't even like black metal, but I like that song.

...is that a Dethklok (i.e., not black metal) song?

...is that a Dethklok (i.e., not black metal) song?

The bass, the rock
The mic, the treble
I like my coffee black
Just like my metal

The bass, the rock
The mic, the treble
I like my coffee black
Just like my metal

I can't wait for you to knock me up
In a minute, minute
In a fuckin' minute

I can't wait for you to knock me up
In a minute, minute
In a second

I can't wait for you to shut me up
And make me hit my badass
I can't wait for you to shut me up
Shut it up

I can't wait for you to shut me up
And make me hit my badass
I can't wait for you to shut me up
Shut it up

The bass, the rock
The mic, the treble
I like my coffee black
Just like my metal

The bass, the rock
The mic, the treble
I like my coffee black
Just like my metal

I can't wait for you to knock me up
In a minute, minute
In a fucking minute

I can't wait for you to knock me up
In a minute, minute
In a second

I can't wait for you to shut me up
And make me hit my badass
I can't wait for you to shut me up
Shut it up

I can't wait for you to shut me up
And make me hit my badass
I can't wait for you to shut me up
Shut it up

I don't buy your body right now (right now)
I'm almost over my body right now (now)
I'm on my way to the party right now (right now)

I don't buy your body right now (right now)
I'm almost over my body right now (now)
I'm on my way to the party right now (right now)

Because the break, the break, the break

I can't wait for you to shut me up
And make me hit my badass
I can't wait for you to shut me up
Shut it up

I can't wait for you to shut me up
And make me hit my badass
I can't wait for you to shut me up
Shut it up

--

Mindless Self Indulgence - Shut me up.

Mostly everything said so far and....

Nickelback
Hinder
Disturbed
Soundgarden
Audioslave
Alice In Chains
Pantera(90's on up)
Linkin Park
Pearl Jam
Staind
AFI
Rhapsody
Van Halen

Oasis
Boston
and any band that uses a scooped out mid.

I'm pretty sure any band in this thread can be explained by one of the Your Band Sucks columns on Something Awful.

Remember, if you're not sure what Metallica or Megadeth album to get, make it anything 1990 and below. Same with Dream Theater, anything before the keyboarder became a big part.

I listen to the daily played crap(mostly everything above) on "heaviest rocking station in MN" 93x. Then I listen to Dee Snyder's House Of Hair 80's show on Sunday or my father's records(The Who, The Kinks, etc.). It's like in the 90's, talent died or went deep underground.

Favorite bands now- Dragonforce and Psychostick. Some of the stuff on Burnout Revenge or the last two FIFA games is pretty cool as well.

Every Emo band.

I agree, only if you mean MTV emo. Real emo bands are mostly so obscure no one's heard of them, let alone over-rated.

Orchid, Four Hundred Years, Saetia over-rated? Find me 40 kids who can name two songs by any of them. ;)

A few overrated bands I've noticed:
Green Day
Rage Against the Machine
Rap in General

Most underrated band? Incubus.

Mostly everything said so far and....

Nickelback
Hinder
Disturbed
Soundgarden
Audioslave
Alice In Chains
Pantera(90's on up)
Linkin Park
Pearl Jam
Staind
AFI
Rhapsody
Van Halen

Oasis
Boston
and any band that uses a scooped out mid.

I'm pretty sure any band in this thread can be explained by one of the Your Band Sucks columns on Something Awful.

Remember, if you're not sure what Metallica or Megadeth album to get, make it anything 1990 and below. Same with Dream Theater, anything before the keyboarder became a big part.

I listen to the daily played crap(mostly everything above) on "heaviest rocking station in MN" 93x. Then I listen to Dee Snyder's House Of Hair 80's show on Sunday or my father's records(The Who, The Kinks, etc.). It's like in the 90's, talent died or went deep underground.

Favorite bands now- Dragonforce and Psychostick. Some of the stuff on Burnout Revenge or the last two FIFA games is pretty cool as well.

I can't think of anything bad to say about Pearl Jam, though I admit that listening to Disturbed has become somewhat of a guilty pleasure - they suck, but they don't at the same time. It'd odd.

A few overrated bands I've noticed:
Green Day
Rage Against the Machine
Rap in General

Most underrated band? Incubus.

Most underrated band? TooL.

I can't think of anything bad to say about Pearl Jam, though I admit that listening to Disturbed has become somewhat of a guilty pleasure - they suck, but they don't at the same time. It'd odd.

Back in high school, when their song "Stupified" first played on the air, I was like "Awesome." Then the song "Down with the Sickness" ruined it all. Sadly, their new album seems to be along that line.

Back in high school, when their song "Stupified" first played on the air, I was like "Awesome." Then the song "Down with the Sickness" ruined it all. Sadly, their new album seems to be along that line.

I agree. But at the same time, they're still really fun to listen to while killing people in an FPS.

We've had a few 'greatest albums' and 'greatest bands' threads. Now to go where most of them end up anyway. What bands do you think are some of histories most overated acts?

The ones that spring to mind for me in the 30 seconds i've been thinking about it are

1. Coldplay
2. White Stripes
3. Korn
4. Sex Pistols (yeah i'm going to get torn a new one for that. <insert personal opinion disclaimer here>)


Thoughts?

Oasis.

I agree. But at the same time, they're still really fun to listen to while killing people in an FPS.

I'll have to try that sometime while playing Counterstrike.

1. Greed Day
2. Pink Floyd
3. Led Zeppelin
4. Pop; Any and all; That includes "Emo" (Good Charolette, Simple Plan, Panic! and their ilk), but not real Emo (Fugazi, Embrace, Rites of Spring, etc.)
5. The Misfits
6. Nirvana
7. The Beatles
8. The Rolling Zomb- er... Stones
9. "Classic Rock"; It seems to be a home for snobbery of the worst kind

I'd also like to add that it is humanly impossible to overrate the Clash or the Sex Pistols (although John Lydon does his best to do so to both bands, in his own sociopathically dishonest manner :D ).

Hmm. I'm not sure what I can recommend based on that that might be considered metal and help to broaden your horizons somewhat. There's a subgenre called EBM: electronic black metal. These bands include :Wumpscut: and Apoptygma Berzerk, among others.

I'll have to try that sometime while playing Counterstrike.

It's more effective for deathmatch games like The Specialists, because you don't have to concentrate as much and can get caught up in the music more easily.

There's a subgenre called EBM: electronic black metal. These bands include :Wumpscut: and Apoptygma Berzerk, among others.

EBM stands for electronic body music, but those are both examples of the genre. It's dance industrial, basically. Front Line Assembly, Front 242, Leaether Strip are some other good ones.

Not very metal like though, :wumpscut: fall well within elektro as well, which is newer, harsher EBM. Apop. remixed Satyricon, which might explain why the black metal confusion. :D

Point being, EBM is definately not a type of metal, just stompy dance music for guys with shaved heads and BDUs.

Rolling Stones and Metallica

EBM stands for electronic body music, but those are both examples of the genre. It's dance industrial, basically. Front Line Assembly, Front 242, Leaether Strip are some other good ones.

Not very metal like though, :wumpscut: fall well within elektro as well, which is newer, harsher EBM. Apop. remixed Satyricon, which might explain why the black metal confusion. :D

Point being, EBM is definately not a type of metal, just stompy dance music for guys with shaved heads and BDUs.Oh, that explains my confusion. I heard :wumpscut: and thought they were more representative of the genre than they apparently are.
I'd have just considered Front Line Assembly to be industrial, didn't realize they were EBM as well.

There's a subgenre called EBM: electronic black metal. These bands include :Wumpscut: and Apoptygma Berzerk, among others.

EBM? Were they really so lost for inspiration that they needed to steal their TLA from Electronic Body Music?

EBM? Were they really so lost for inspiration that they needed to steal their TLA from Electronic Body Music?

I just explained this, it was a little confusion. :D

Oh, that explains my confusion. I heard :wumpscut: and thought they were more representative of the genre than they apparently are.
I'd have just considered Front Line Assembly to be industrial, didn't realize they were EBM as well.

EBM is just one branch of industrial. FLA's material covers a few different styles of industrial, depending on the album. Tactical Neural Implant is classic EBM, but they've also got stuff with guitars, and more experimental stuff.

:W: represent one evolution of EBM, elektro/harsh ebm, along with Suicide Commando and Hocico and a host of others. Apop, along with VNV Nation and Icon of Coil show the other side, futurepop.

Whether or not they'd be as popular, they'd still be the best band of all time.

What's there to like about Nirvana? I enjoy one song: Half the Man I Used to Be. http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7197824358776485966&q=smells+like+nirvana

;)


<shrug> I wouldn't consider them to be even all that a depressive of a band.

Again, I say: they're a shitty version of Smashing Pumpkins.

The band blows. They're crybabies with a record deal. For those that are fortunate enough to not know who they are, they are one of those emo bands that shrieks their wrist-slashing lyrics about how their dogs hate them while holding a series of three power chords. Hell, they're a wannabe emo band...there's nothing good about them...at all. The lead singer Gerard Way looks like a corpse, and his brother Mikey looks suspiciously nothing like him. The people who listen to them tend to be cocky trendwhores; you cannot talk to the stereotype MCR fan without them managing to piss you off. Yes, some are different; I know. If you actually do like MCR....good for you, I guess. To those that think they're the best band on earth: get up off your asses and find new things instead of what MTV hands to you.


I never really understood the irrational hatred of emo.

It's not irrational; some of us just enjoy good music and emo is anything but good.

I've seen them live and it kicked ass. To each his own, I guess.

I saw them at Warped Tour and they blew chunky monkeys. "We shout unintelligibly and jump around like drunken idiots to make up for the fact that we have no talent....mmm, the same chords over and over."


I can't say I'm impressed by what I've heard, but to be fair I haven't heard much.

I wouldn't expect you to; you think Nirvana is the greatest band ever. ;) Listen to more of Flogging Molly; it's gold. Saw them live just a few weeks ago; fucking awesome. They're a captivating band in person..a lot of energy. Just scanning quickly through my playlist, I'm a big fan of Dropkick Murpheys, Dream Theater, ZOX, Nightwish, Bad Religion, Loreena McKinnet, Three Days Grace (I've been told that's my musical guilty pleasure), Snow Patrol, Rush, Puddle of Mudd, Johnny Cash, and a slew of others. Newest band I've picked up on would be The Dresden Dolls.

^_^

Same with Dream Theater, anything before the keyboarder became a big part.

I quite enjoy Derek Sherinian on the keyboard, though. :) Some Dream Theater stuff I can't stand (Space Dyevest = ugh), but I greatly enjoy most of it..

What's there to like about Nirvana? I enjoy one song: Half the Man I Used to Be.

That's actually Stone Temple Pilots, it's called Creep.



The band blows. They're crybabies with a record deal. For those that are fortunate enough to not know who they are, they are one of those emo bands that shrieks their wrist-slashing lyrics about how their dogs hate them while holding a series of three power chords. Hell, they're a wannabe emo band...there's nothing good about them...at all. The lead singer Gerard Way looks like a corpse, and his brother Mikey looks suspiciously nothing like him. The people who listen to them tend to be cocky trendwhores; you cannot talk to the stereotype MCR fan without them managing to piss you off. Yes, some are different; I know. If you actually do like MCR....good for you, I guess. To those that think they're the best band on earth: get up off your asses and find new things instead of what MTV hands to you.

It's not irrational; some of us just enjoy good music and emo is anything ut good.

MCR isn't emo, you've never heard emo.

Listen to some Four Hundred Years: http://www.epitonic.com/index.jsp?refer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.epitonic.com%2Fartists%2Ffourhundredyears.html

Perhaps some Small Brown Bike too:
http://www.noidearecords.com/mp3s/SBB-MouthofMadness.mp3

Saetia too:
http://www.level-plane.com/php/mp3.php?id=109

Now, see, MCR doesn't sound at all related to those bands. They also don't wear make-up, sing about killing themselves or get videos played on MTV. Because MTV emo isn't emo. :)

That's actually Stone Temple Pilots, it's called Creep.

Ahh, thanks for the correction.


Now, see, MCR doesn't sound at all related to those bands. They also don't wear make-up, sing about killing themselves or get videos played on MTV. Because MTV emo isn't emo. :)

I'll grant you that and I'll amend my statement: there is nothing good about "emo" (as the reference to My Chemical Romance, Panic!, and their ilk) music.

:)

The Smiths. Anything Morrissey related.:mad:

Nirvana
Nirvana
Nirvana!!
Nirvana!!!!
Nirvana!!!!!!
Nirvana!!!!!!!!

One of my classmates really loves Nirvana. And when asked why he states "Omg! Kurt kobain killed himself!" You get the picture. And by the way, what's wrong with Green Day? I like their music.

I'm gunna have to go with "anything with lyrics." Really, if piece of music in question has lyrics, odds are much higher I'll hit the skip it button.

Now, taking into consideration the following list of artists and/or songs and/or albums:


"Oh Mother, The Handsome Man Tortures Me" on the album Choubi Choubi! Folk And Pop Sounds From Iraq
The Incredible String Band
Li Xiangting
Global Communication
Lisa Gerrard
Eluvium
Trance Mission
Chuck Wild
1 Giant Leap
Delerium
Liquid Mind
David & Steve Gordon
Floyd Cramer
Nonamata
Cepia
Laraaji
Blue Stone
Howard Shore
Lorie Line
Ellen Fullman & Konrad Sprenger (more specifically, their album Ort)
Ladysmith Black Mambazo
Bernward Koch
Mono (from Japan)
Armin Van Buuren
Ulrich Schnauss
Kinski
Peter Kater
Men of Steel
Carlos Nakai
Van Kampen
Groove Boutique
Evanescence
Collide
Juno Reactor
Einstürzende Neubauten
Massive Attack
Kaki King
Blue Man Group
Dead Can Dance
Afro Celt Sound System
Vangelis


...recommend something I should listen to. :D

Listen to CCR's and Ike and Tina's versions of Proud Mary for an excellent summary of what CCR is: A legendary songwriter and his buddies who can barely manage to not totally mangle their first-class songs by playing them themselves. :p

Not true, my grease-painted friend.

As for wich version is "better", thats rather subjective, but take the song "I Heard it Through the Grapevine", covered by Marvin Gaye and the Funk Brothers, and CCR.

Vocally, John Fogerty is no Marvin (but who the hell is?), but nontheless, they do a very nice raw version of that song, and "jam" on it for about 15 minutes.

As for your assessment of the Beatles, I both agree and disagree.
I agree that most of the songs that solf thier records were pop drivel, and written to be just that.
"Yesterday", "Love Me Do" "Yellow Sumbarine".....all crap.

While songs like "I me Mine" or "Happiness is a warm gun" are ones most people have never heard of.

But, you still have to cut them some slack.

Before them, the rules of the game were entirely different.

They were the first band that were really allowed to control everything that went on thier albums, eventually.
That just wasnt done before them.
They were also the first ones who demonstrated that a band didnt have to tour to support a new album release.

Thats why so many Beatle albums are considered to be in the "Top Ten", becuase of how influential those albums still are on the music industry.

Theres also this:

The Beatles are just about the only band who arguably never released a "bad album".
I really dont think anyone else can make that claim.

Not even my own personal favorite band, Black Sabbath.

The Who,

I'll cut you some slack with the rest of them, but I gotta ask ya....why is it that you feel The Who are over-rated?

I would also like to know if youve ever heard "Live at Leeds".

The Beatles are considered to be the "Best Band Ever" becuase they wrote better songs, but at the time, nobody played louder, or heavier, than The Who.

Besides, their cover of "Young Man Blues" is probably the first Heavy Metal song ever recorded.

What's there to like about Nirvana? Their sheer number of great/phenomenal songs.

Again, I say: they're a shitty version of Smashing Pumpkins.

The band blows. They're crybabies with a record deal. For those that are fortunate enough to not know who they are, they are one of those emo bands that shrieks their wrist-slashing lyrics about how their dogs hate them while holding a series of three power chords. Hell, they're a wannabe emo band...there's nothing good about them...at all. The lead singer Gerard Way looks like a corpse, and his brother Mikey looks suspiciously nothing like him. The people who listen to them tend to be cocky trendwhores; you cannot talk to the stereotype MCR fan without them managing to piss you off. Yes, some are different; I know. If you actually do like MCR....good for you, I guess. To those that think they're the best band on earth: get up off your asses and find new things instead of what MTV hands to you.<shrug> I still say they're less depressive than Stabbing Westward. I think you're taking the classification of emo and oversimplifying it.

It's not irrational; some of us just enjoy good music and emo is anything but good.

I saw them at Warped Tour and they blew chunky monkeys. "We shout unintelligibly and jump around like drunken idiots to make up for the fact that we have no talent....mmm, the same chords over and over." Ah, an arena show. Perhaps they weren't mixed very well?
I'd say they don't do a lot of unintelligible shouting, especially when compared to hardcore punk bands.

I wouldn't expect you to; you think Nirvana is the greatest band ever. ;) Listen to more of Flogging Molly; it's gold. Saw them live just a few weeks ago; fucking awesome. They're a captivating band in person..a lot of energy. Just scanning quickly through my playlist, I'm a big fan of Dropkick Murpheys, Dream Theater, ZOX, Nightwish, Bad Religion, Loreena McKinnet, Three Days Grace (I've been told that's my musical guilty pleasure), Snow Patrol, Rush, Puddle of Mudd, Johnny Cash, and a slew of others. Newest band I've picked up on would be The Dresden Dolls. I love Bad Religion, but I'd have to say they reuse chords at least as much if not more so than Anti-Flag.

I'm gunna have to go with "anything with lyrics." Really, if piece of music in question has lyrics, odds are much higher I'll hit the skip it button.How odd, I'm the opposite. Even good instrumentals could be improved with vocals, as far as I'm concerned.

...recommend something I should listen to. :DHave you heard Throbbing Gristle or Cabaret Voltaire?

Not true, my grease-painted friend.

As for wich version is "better", thats rather subjective, but take the song "I Heard it Through the Grapevine", covered by Marvin Gaye and the Funk Brothers, and CCR.

Vocally, John Fogerty is no Marvin (but who the hell is?), but nontheless, they do a very nice raw version of that song, and "jam" on it for about 15 minutes.

As for your assessment of the Beatles, I both agree and disagree.
I agree that most of the songs that solf thier records were pop drivel, and written to be just that.
"Yesterday", "Love Me Do" "Yellow Sumbarine".....all crap.

While songs like "I me Mine" or "Happiness is a warm gun" are ones most people have never heard of.

But, you still have to cut them some slack.

Before them, the rules of the game were entirely different.

They were the first band that were really allowed to control everything that went on thier albums, eventually.
That just wasnt done before them.
They were also the first ones who demonstrated that a band didnt have to tour to support a new album release.

Thats why so many Beatle albums are considered to be in the "Top Ten", becuase of how influential those albums still are on the music industry.

Theres also this:

The Beatles are just about the only band who arguably never released a "bad album".
I really dont think anyone else can make that claim.

Not even my own personal favorite band, Black Sabbath.

Well, I can't argue any of this. All true. But just because they're good, doesn't mean they're not overrated. ;)

How odd, I'm the opposite. Even good instrumentals could be improved with vocals, as far as I'm concerned.


Ah, but I said "lyrics" not "vocals." The various forms of chanting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanting#Chant_as_a_spiritual_practice) and similar vocalizations I actually enjoy a lot. Granted, this is probably "lyrics," just in a language I don't understand. So, I'll refine my position somewhat:

Most overrated = anything with english lyrics, or other lyrics with I otherwise immediately understand, thus causing me to be distracted from the actual music.

Have you heard Throbbing Gristle or Cabaret Voltaire?


**is listening now**

Ah, but I said "lyrics" not "vocals." The various forms of chanting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanting#Chant_as_a_spiritual_practice) and similar vocalizations I actually enjoy a lot. Granted, this is probably "lyrics," just in a language I don't understand. So, I'll refine my position somewhat:Ah, I see. Well, I suppose the voice can be used as just another instrument.

Most overrated = anything with english lyrics, or other lyrics with I otherwise immediately understand, thus causing me to be distracted from the actual music.I like the lyrics. The music sets the mood, the lyrics set the reason for the mood (or they should, anyway).

Well, I can't argue any of this. All true. But just because they're good, doesn't mean they're not overrated. ;)

Lemme ask ya this:

Do ya think Emmet Kelly was as nice as everyone says he was?

In other words, can any band like the Beatles really live up to thier own hype?

Lemme ask ya this:

Do ya think Emmet Kelly was as nice as everyone says he was?

Emmett Kelly, the famous hobo clown? Probably. :)

In other words, can any band like the Beatles really live up to thier own hype?

Not for long.

Mono (from Japan)


Saw them last week: they were kind of dull. Yeah, sure it was pretty, but it was pretty dull. Dynamics taken from the book of The Pixies didn't help either, although halfway through their set they did have a great leap in volume on an offbeat which reminded me of the breathtaking intro to |Wouldn't It Be Nice...

Nirvana
Nirvana
Nirvana!!
Nirvana!!!!
Nirvana!!!!!!
Nirvana!!!!!!!!

One of my classmates really loves Nirvana. And when asked why he states "Omg! Kurt kobain killed himself!" You get the picture. And by the way, what's wrong with Green Day? I like their music.

Dookie was alright but the rest of their albums just blow. Not only that but they try to act like they're some kind of rebels when they're most definitly not.

Rem

...okay, they're good, but they're not THAT good...


Nope, they're not...


People see emo as homosexual, and that draws out the homophobe in them.
That's my theory, anyway.


Lucky bastard...


They're pretty good (not as good as Dropkick Murphys, though), although... it's hard to like them as much when they have fans like this.


Hehe, look at the rest of his list, too. Yeah, punk, that's a waaay overrated genre, what with all the talentless punk bands that get mainstream success. (Ramones aside, that's mostly sarcasm...)
My reason for hating emo is that it uses the same chords over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Not only that, I really don't like hearing some whiny loser with a high voice attempt to sing. Seriously, its fine if your really deppressed, just don't write songs about it because I would rather chop off my ears than listen to them.:D

And by the way, what's wrong with Green Day? I like their music.

They sold out. Greed Day is on a major label producing pop-music in an easily consumable form.

My reason for hating emo is that it uses the same chords over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Not only that, I really don't like hearing some whiny loser with a high voice attempt to sing. Seriously, its fine if your really deppressed, just don't write songs about it because I would rather chop off my ears than listen to them.:D

I fail to see the difference between playing lots of different chords and playing three.

Besides which, MTVmo stole three chord rock from music that came before.

As Sniffin Glue said, back in the 70's:

"Here's a chord: x2444xx; Here's another: 0221xx; Here's another: 2443xx; Now go form a band"

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Any questions?

Their sheer number of great/phenomenal songs.

They possess none. "We're mumbling incoherently with lyrics that don't make sense. Fear us; we're rebels." And the fact that burnboy blow-off-his-face was named Guitarist of the '90s pisses me off to no end.. he died in 94. Oye. Again, only popular..and only considered good..because he shot himself. That's a sad legacy.


<shrug> I still say they're less depressive than Stabbing Westward. I think you're taking the classification of emo and oversimplifying it.

"Emo" music isn't good. There's nothing to like about a bunch of guys parading around like corpses in their 'pretty' make-up, playing the same three chords over and over while whining in their shrill voices about the horrors of their teenage life.


Ah, an arena show. Perhaps they weren't mixed very well?
I'd say they don't do a lot of unintelligible shouting, especially when compared to hardcore punk bands.

Don't make excuses for why the band sucks--that's their job. Again, I also despise the "we're whiny socialist rebels who shriek against The System(TM) and capitalism while we grow rich off it" attitude they live.


I love Bad Religion, but I'd have to say they reuse chords at least as much if not more so than Anti-Flag.

I'm willing to overlook that because their music is good; their lyrics are superior to Anti-Flag's repetitive bullshit; and their vocals sound better.


How odd, I'm the opposite. Even good instrumentals could be improved with vocals, as far as I'm concerned.

Music doesn't need lyrics to make it good. Some of the best songs are purely instrumental.

I fail to see the difference between playing lots of different chords and playing three.

Besides which, MTVmo stole three chord rock from music that came before.

As Sniffin Glue said, back in the 70's:

"Here's a chord: x2444xx; Here's another: 0221xx; Here's another: 2443xx; Now go form a band"

I would be fine with it if the chords made the songs sound different, but they don't. THEY ALL SOUND THE SAME!!

As Sniffin Glue said, back in the 70's:

"Here's a chord: x2444xx; Here's another: 0221xx; Here's another: 2443xx; Now go form a band"

I'm pretty sure the chords were A, D & E, not B, E & F#.

My reason for hating emo is that it uses the same chords over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Not only that, I really don't like hearing some whiny loser with a high voice attempt to sing. Seriously, its fine if your really deppressed, just don't write songs about it because I would rather chop off my ears than listen to them.:D

*feels to see how this is different from any other rock genre ever*

*feels to see how this is different from any other rock genre ever*

I think the 'some whiny loser with a high voice' is probably the major distinguishing feature. Not that this doesn't show up elsewhere - Doo Wop, frex - but still...

*feels to see how this is different from any other rock genre ever*

Because other rock genres have changed and evolved, Emo is in constant stagnation. The lyrics represent this in that they talk about the same topic over and over again. example: "My life is so hard! I live in suburbia where I have a perfect middle class life. OH, I think I'll write a whiny song with dumb lyrics, and repetitive chords and sing it in a whiny voice."

Rolling Stones and Metallica

Metallica has a few decent tunes! They just suck-ass because they ruined Napster!

I think the 'some whiny loser with a high voice' is probably the major distinguishing feature. Not that this doesn't show up elsewhere - Doo Wop, frex - but still...
You can basically replace "high voice" with "low voice" or "mid voice", and it'd fit every genre.
Because other rock genres have changed and evolved, Emo is in constant stagnation. The lyrics represent this in that they talk about the same topic over and over again. example: "My life is so hard! I live in suburbia where I have a perfect middle class life. OH, I think I'll write a whiny song with dumb lyrics, and repetitive chords and sing it in a whiny voice."
You obviously know nothing of the history of emo.
Listen to emo from today, and listen to emo from the early 90's (e.g. Heroin, Rites of Spring, etc.), and tell me it hasn't changed. Also, I still fail to see how "My life is so hard! I live in suburbia where I have a perfect middle class life. OH, I think I'll write a whiny song with dumb lyrics, and repetitive chords and sing it in a whiny voice." is any different from any other genre.

Metallica has a few decent tunes! They just suck-ass because they ruined Napster!

Emphasis on "a few".

1. The Eagles

I disagree with that one.






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Any questions?

But I fully agree with 2-25.

Emphasis on "a few".

Meh, yer a music nazi, it seems.

Metallica sucks, now....sure.

But once upon a time, they wrote and recorded a couple of the best heavy metal albums, ever.
Certainly a couple of the most widely respected and influencial albums anyway.

Napster has nothing to do with why they suck.

Every one that you've heard of.

U2.

I'm pretty sure the chords were A, D & E, not B, E & F#.

I have the diagram up in my room, but I'm too lazy to check. You're probably right.

Edit: A, E, and G, and, apparently misatributed, since John Savage attributes it to Sideburns

I would be fine with it if the chords made the songs sound different, but they don't. THEY ALL SOUND THE SAME!!

I challenge that assumption. Differing melodies, tempi, and rhythms make it so that it is very difficult to play the same things twice.

Besides which, there are only 12 chords and a number of different permutations thereof in the world.

We've had a few 'greatest albums' and 'greatest bands' threads. Now to go where most of them end up anyway. What bands do you think are some of histories most overated acts?

The ones that spring to mind for me in the 30 seconds i've been thinking about it are

1. Coldplay
2. White Stripes
3. Korn
4. Sex Pistols (yeah i'm going to get torn a new one for that. <insert personal opinion disclaimer here>)


Thoughts?

*cough splutter cough cough*

Sex Pistols? Overrated? Shame on you!

They possess none. "We're mumbling incoherently with lyrics that don't make sense. Fear us; we're rebels." And the fact that burnboy blow-off-his-face was named Guitarist of the '90s pisses me off to no end.. he died in 94. Oye. Again, only popular..and only considered good..because he shot himself. That's a sad legacy.They didn't release a bad song on their official albums, and only one of those songs was merely okay - the rest are good, great, or phenomenal. No other band has that kind of track record.

"Emo" music isn't good. There's nothing to like about a bunch of guys parading around like corpses in their 'pretty' make-up, playing the same three chords over and over while whining in their shrill voices about the horrors of their teenage life. I suppose you wouldn't like black metal then, either. :) (Emo isn't the first or only genre to have its players wear corpse paint, though black metal vocalists tend to growl as opposed to whining in a shrill voice.)

Don't make excuses for why the band sucks--that's their job. Again, I also despise the "we're whiny socialist rebels who shriek against The System(TM) and capitalism while we grow rich off it" attitude they live. To my knowledge, Anti-Flag never claimed to be anti-capitalist.

I'm willing to overlook that because their music is good; their lyrics are superior to Anti-Flag's repetitive bullshit; and their vocals sound better. I can admit that Bad Religion's lyrics are better, but Anti-Flag's lyrics aren't especially repetative, unless you consider having a chorus to be repetative.

Music doesn't need lyrics to make it good. Some of the best songs are purely instrumental.Nah. You can have a good instrumental ("The Call of Ktulu" or "Orion"), but I've never heard a great one.

My opinion:

U2 (Dude only Sunday Bloody Sunday was good)
The Rolling Stones (... I don't get 'em)
The Beatles (Okay they changed the face of rock and roll, moving on)
Metallica (Megadeth's better)
Guns and Roses (TWO ALBUMS AND AN EP OOOH FANCY)
Pink Floyd (Yes unfortunately my favourite band is overrated)
Linkin' Park (... I don't get 'em)

That's pretty much it for me. As for modern emo.... you know if they were to bring their voices down an octave or two lower I could actually get into it.

I've got Pablo Honey & The Bends

I haven't heard the whole of any of their albums other than Pablo Honey, but other than "Creep", and a couple songs from The Bends

Bloody hell, no wonder you think they're overrated. Pablo Honey is shit and The Bends is OK, but nothing, nothing, in comparison to some of their other work.

Pretty much, yeah. It was really hard to articulate what I meant there, so i'm glad you figured it out, at least. :p



That's the problem I have. I like their softer moments because I don't think they rock out too well at all; unfortunately, slow soft songs rarely translate into hit singles. Amnesiac is the only album of theirs i've heard that consistently delivers on the particular style i'm talking about, although I must note that I haven't heard the entirety of all of their albums either - I have OK Computer and The Bends as well, but I hardly ever listen to them since I don't enjoy them that much (but i'm led to believe that Kid A is somewhat similar to Amnesiac...so maybe I should check that one out). But anyway, most Radiohead fans don't seem to think as highly of it as I do, and cite OK Computer as the classic. I'm stumped as to why.

I rate Kid A as one of the best albums I've ever heard, certainly Radiohead's best work.

One of my classmates really loves Nirvana. And when asked why he states "Omg! Kurt kobain killed himself!" You get the picture. And by the way, what's wrong with Green Day? I like their music.

Sounds like you dislike Nirvana because of their fans and popularity. You've probably never really sat and listened to their stuff.

Unfortunately it's a fairly common affliction, taking in most of the "I'm so alternative I'm even alternative to alternative" crowds.

Green Day and Linkin Park. Why the hell do people listen to these bands? Saying that you would prefer the bubonic plague to these bands is vastly overrating them! GAH! THEY MAKE MY EARS BLEED!

:rolleyes:
Move along people, nothing to see here.

I completely forgot about the harsh, boring trip that is The Eagles. Of course, I would like to forget about them completely, seeing as how they're so unbelievably terrible.

Thanks, Sdaeriji. I agree that they're quite possibly the most over-rated band in Rock 'n' Roll history.

Metallica sucks, now....sure.

But once upon a time, they wrote and recorded a couple of the best heavy metal albums, ever.
Certainly a couple of the most widely respected and influencial albums anyway.

Napster has nothing to do with why they suck.

At the very least, the Napster thing showed how incredibly stupid team Metallica is! When all that happened, Metallica was the #1 downloaded band on Napster. They saw this as a bad thing, claiming they were losing money. They could have made a damm fortune on Metallica products if they had any brains. T-Shirts, DVDs hats, jewlery. Hell! Maybe even a breakfast cereal. But instead of capitalizing from such a grande opportunity, they chose to spoil the fun for everybody! Piss on Metallica!!!

At the very least, the Napster thing showed how incredibly stupid team Metallica is! When all that happened, Metallica was the #1 downloaded band on Napster. They saw this as a bad thing, claiming they were losing money. They could have made a damm fortune on Metallica products if they had any brains. T-Shirts, DVDs hats, jewlery. Hell! Maybe even a breakfast cereal. But instead of capitalizing from such a grande opportunity, they chose to spoil the fun for everybody! Piss on Metallica!!!
Make a list
Little Lars
Never seen a scar
Put his fans behind bars
Can't you see
MP3
Man you're stealin from me
You shoulda bought a CD

I keep my keyword open
I'm stealing your songs right now

We're in debt
From the internet
Sue our fans
Off to Napster Napster Land

Go to court
Close the site
Napster's down tonight
Now the judge says "alright"
Bunch of thieves
Bunch of liars
Steal our songs through the wire
You know we'll put up a fight

I keep my phone line open
I'm ripping your songs right now

We're in debt
From the internet
Sue our fans
Off to Napster Napster Land

Now I lay Lars down to sleep
I pray his copyrights to keep
If he gets poor before he wakes
He'll have to sell fries and shakes.

Hush little Larie, don't say a word
And never mind that noise you heard
It's just the fans making bootleg tapes
I hope you choke on your sour grapes

We're in debt
From the internet
Screw the fans
We're in debt
From the internet
Sue our fans
Off to Napster Napster Land


Ah, Weird Al.
He is IMPOSSIBLE to overate.

"Amish Paradise" and "Like A Surgeon" are still my favorites. :p

Make a list
Little Lars
Never seen a scar
Put his fans behind bars
Can't you see
MP3
Man you're stealin from me
You shoulda bought a CD

I keep my keyword open
I'm stealing your songs right now

We're in debt
From the internet
Sue our fans
Off to Napster Napster Land

Go to court
Close the site
Napster's down tonight
Now the judge says "alright"
Bunch of thieves
Bunch of liars
Steal our songs through the wire
You know we'll put up a fight

I keep my phone line open
I'm ripping your songs right now

We're in debt
From the internet
Sue our fans
Off to Napster Napster Land

Now I lay Lars down to sleep
I pray his copyrights to keep
If he gets poor before he wakes
He'll have to sell fries and shakes.

Hush little Larie, don't say a word
And never mind that noise you heard
It's just the fans making bootleg tapes
I hope you choke on your sour grapes

We're in debt
From the internet
Screw the fans
We're in debt
From the internet
Sue our fans
Off to Napster Napster Land


Ah, Weird Al.
He is IMPOSSIBLE to overate.

ROFLMAO!!! :D :p :D Never heard that one before! Al da MAN!!!

Still Lmao!!! http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/145.gif

Nah. You can have a good instrumental ("The Call of Ktulu" or "Orion"), but I've never heard a great one.

"Frankenstien" from Edgar Winter = Great one! Da-nunt-nunt-naa. Da nunt nunt naaaaaa! Da-na-nunt, nuh naaaa! Nuh-na-na-na-na-na-na.....:D

1: The Beatles
2: Led Zeppelin
3: Jimi Hendrix
4: Lynyrd Skynyrd
5: The Clash




I can sort of agree with Lynyrd Skynyrd, they only ever did one good song and that was free bird. However, I think the other four are brilliant bands who deserve their praise. Also, remember that what sounds ordinary now may have been revolutionary at the time of its release and does deserve praise for the inspiration it has given other bands.

I completely forgot about the harsh, boring trip that is The Eagles. Of course, I would like to forget about them completely, seeing as how they're so unbelievably terrible.

Thanks, Sdaeriji. I agree that they're quite possibly the most over-rated band in Rock 'n' Roll history.

Seconded

The Smiths. Anything Morrissey related.:mad:

I hate you.

At the very least, the Napster thing showed how incredibly stupid team Metallica is! When all that happened, Metallica was the #1 downloaded band on Napster. They saw this as a bad thing, claiming they were losing money. They could have made a damm fortune on Metallica products if they had any brains. T-Shirts, DVDs hats, jewlery. Hell! Maybe even a breakfast cereal. But instead of capitalizing from such a grande opportunity, they chose to spoil the fun for everybody! Piss on Metallica!!!
If the choice is between the creation of a "Master of Puppets Lunch Box" and a lawsuit against a single filesharing system, I'm gonna have to say that the lawsuit is the lesser of two evils.
It's bad enough that their music had to start sucking, but if they had pulled a KISS I may well have had to kill myself.

Limp Bizkit
Black Eyed Peas
Metallica
Nirvana
Coldplay



Am I alone in thinking Limp Bizkit's cover of Faith is the worst ever? Jesus H. Christ it's bad, yet they continue to play it.

Green Day and Linkin Park. Why the hell do people listen to these bands?
Linkin Park's lyrics are so hilariously bad that I can't resist. The randomly mixed clichés, the ridiculous whining, its . . . its so beautiful.
*gets teary eyed for a moment*

Now, the Decemberists, that is overrated shit. People talk about how "clever" they are because they write up mediocre pop songs, then use the thesaurus that came with the lead singer's Student's Edition of MSWord to make them sound as pretentious and anachoronistic as possible.
Plus, they misspelled their own fucking name.

KISS

I can sort of agree with Lynyrd Skynyrd, they only ever did one good song and that was free bird. However, I think the other four are brilliant bands who deserve their praise. Also, remember that what sounds ordinary now may have been revolutionary at the time of its release and does deserve praise for the inspiration it has given other bands.

I didn't say that the other four weren't great, or didn't deserve praise. I just said that they're not quite as good as many editors and radio station DJs make them out to be, nor do they deserve quite that much credit, especially for the songs of theirs that happen to get airplay (read: their least impressive work).

Is "Ticket To Ride" the Beatles' best work? No, not by a longshot. Are "Stairway To Heaven", "Black Dog", and "Rock And Roll" Led Zeppelin's best work? Hell no. Jimi's best work is largely debatable, because it depends on whether you like his furious Rock 'n' Roll or his Acid stuff more. Now, is "London Calling" (the song) The Clash's best work? No... Very far from it, really.

I'm just giving credit where credit is due.

Pink Floyd immediately comes to mind. Queen after that.

Pink Floyd immediately comes to mind. Queen after that.

I'll give you Pink Floyd, simply because The Wall is regarded by many as their best album, when it's quite possibly their worst.

Queen, though... They were unique, and they still are. They had a hell of a dynamic sound, and nobody can say that Mercury's voice was anything less than excellent.

I'll give you Pink Floyd, simply because The Wall is regarded by many as their best album, when it's quite possibly their worst.

Queen, though... They were unique, and they still are. They had a hell of a dynamic sound, and nobody can say that Mercury's voice was anything less than excellent.

It's likely due to my own taste. I just really don't find Queen that good.

You can basically replace "high voice" with "low voice" or "mid voice", and it'd fit every genre.

You obviously know nothing of the history of emo.
Listen to emo from today, and listen to emo from the early 90's (e.g. Heroin, Rites of Spring, etc.), and tell me it hasn't changed. Also, I still fail to see how "My life is so hard! I live in suburbia where I have a perfect middle class life. OH, I think I'll write a whiny song with dumb lyrics, and repetitive chords and sing it in a whiny voice." is any different from any other genre.

*shrugs* music is a matter of taste. If you like the incessant whining of emo, THEN GOOD FOR YOU. But personally I just see it as a way for a bunch of untalented losers to make money.

It's likely due to my own taste. I just really don't find Queen that good.

nor do i to be honest. my sister is crazy about them but i dont see what al the fuss is about. yeah they are GOOD but thier not the best.

Limp Bizkit
Black Eyed Peas
Metallica
Nirvana
Coldplay



Am I alone in thinking Limp Bizkit's cover of Faith is the worst ever? Jesus H. Christ it's bad, yet they continue to play it.

what the hell!!! limp bizkit rule and so do black eyed peas. i only really like nirvana's smells like teen spirit.

what the hell!!! limp bizkit rule and so do black eyed peas. i only really like nirvana's smells like teen spirit.

Limp bizkit suks, they ruined woodstock.

U2

I...hate...bono...

what the hell!!! limp bizkit rule and so do black eyed peas. i only really like nirvana's smells like teen spirit.

No wonder you dislike Queen.

Wow.

Limp Bizkit
Decemberist
Korn
Radiohead
AFI

I want to say ICP but honestly, even though their fans are die hard and boisterious, the vast majority of people in society riddicules and shuns the band and the fans (as they should.)

*shrugs* music is a matter of taste. If you like the incessant whining of emo, THEN GOOD FOR YOU. But personally I just see it as a way for a bunch of untalented losers to make money.

Most emo is quite overwhelmingly anti-commercial and generally more screamy or shouty then whiny, so, other then emptyVemo(MTV emo is about as related to emo as Simple Plan are punk), most of it isn't making money for anyone, untalented or otherwise.

*removes your head from your bottom*

Before you comment on a style of music, perhaps you should know something about it, otherwise you make ignorant, assinine comments.

Mostly everything said so far and....

Nickelback
Hinder
Disturbed
Soundgarden
Audioslave
Alice In Chains
Pantera(90's on up)
Linkin Park
Pearl Jam
Staind
AFI
Rhapsody
Van Halen

Oasis
Boston
and any band that uses a scooped out mid.

I'm pretty sure any band in this thread can be explained by one of the Your Band Sucks columns on Something Awful.

Remember, if you're not sure what Metallica or Megadeth album to get, make it anything 1990 and below. Same with Dream Theater, anything before the keyboarder became a big part.

I listen to the daily played crap(mostly everything above) on "heaviest rocking station in MN" 93x. Then I listen to Dee Snyder's House Of Hair 80's show on Sunday or my father's records(The Who, The Kinks, etc.). It's like in the 90's, talent died or went deep underground.

Favorite bands now- Dragonforce and Psychostick. Some of the stuff on Burnout Revenge or the last two FIFA games is pretty cool as well.
I always liked the keyboard in DT. Also Dragonforce has started popping up occassionally on my pandora station, I liketh.
Most underrated band? TooL.

I knew you'd say that :p

Most emo is quite overwhelmingly anti-commercial and generally more screamy or shouty then whiny, so, other then emptyVemo(MTV emo is about as related to emo as Simple Plan are punk), most of it isn't making money for anyone, untalented or otherwise.

*removes your head from your bottom*

Before you comment on a style of music, perhaps you should know something about it, otherwise you make ignorant, assinine comments.
Before you comment on my comments, perhaps you should know where I'm coming from otherwise you'll make stupid accusations that have no basis
If you take a look at the foundations of both emo and punk, they contradict their "Anti-Commericialization" outlook. The statement that some how their music is "underground" and that they themselves are "rebels" advertises it to an unsuspecting youth. Example: Lets see how divided Emo is as a genre:
Emo
Emo Punk
Hardcore Emo
Hardcore Emo Punk
Screamo
Hardcore Screamo
Emo violence
Post-Hardcore
Emo metal core.
MTV Emo
Most of these genres are really not different at all. They are labeled asa certain genre in order to advertise the band as part of the genre that people like. Rather than coming up with something new musically they mearly repeat the same old thing with a different genre label. This type of genre advertising started in metal then in punk and slowly became what Emo is today. This is how commercialized music has become.

Before you comment on my comments, perhaps you should know where I'm coming from otherwise you'll make stupid accusations that have no basis
If you take a look at the foundations of both emo and punk, they contradict their "Anti-Commericialization" outlook. The statement that some how their music is "underground" and that they themselves are "rebels" advertises it to an unsuspecting youth. Example: Lets see how divided Emo is as a genre:
Emo
Emo Punk
Hardcore Emo
Hardcore Emo Punk
Screamo
Hardcore Screamo
Emo violence
Post-Hardcore
Emo metal core.
MTV Emo
Most of these genres are really not different at all. They are labeled asa certain genre in order to advertise the band as part of the genre that people like. Rather than coming up with something new musically they mearly repeat the same old thing with a different genre label. This type of genre advertising started in metal then in punk and slowly became what Emo is today. This is how commercialized music has become.

Actually, you're somewhat misled.

Post-hardcore is a term that dates to the mid-80s to refer to all sorts of styles of music that began springing out of hardcore scenes when members of hardcore bands got tired of playing hardcore, emocore was only one style of post-hardcore.

Metalcore isn't emo, even metalcore that uses elements of emo is still metalcore.

Screamo and emoviolence are joke genre names. Bands called themselves silly things like 'screamo', 'emoviolence' and 'kittenviolence' to make fun of how hardcore scenes divide themselves into 40 little sub-subgenres. Hardcore emo is sometimes used to refer to a specific scene of West Coast (and especially Gravity Records and 3-1-G Records) emo, but is generally regarded as redundant (hardcore emotional hardcore, say what?). Screamo started getting used seriously by people who didn't know shit to describe emo bands around 2000 because they had been misled into thinking whiny indie-rock was related to a type of hardcore.

Some 'punk' bands are obviously not anti-commercial, however within punk and all it's 40 000 offspring bands that make concessions to sell more records find themselves lacking street-cred. Bands that run their own labels and play basement shows for $5 aren't commercial, at all. That's how most emo bands exist.

Punk gets ripped off alot, because rebellion sells, that doesn't mean every band that plays that style is faking rebellion.

Actually, you're somewhat misled.

Post-hardcore is a term that dates to the mid-80s to refer to all sorts of styles of music that began springing out of hardcore scenes when members of hardcore bands got tired of playing hardcore, emocore was only one style of post-hardcore.

Metalcore isn't emo, even metalcore that uses elements of emo is still metalcore.

Screamo and emoviolence are joke genre names. Bands called themselves silly things like 'screamo', 'emoviolence' and 'kittenviolence' to make fun of how hardcore scenes divide themselves into 40 little sub-subgenres. Hardcore emo is sometimes used to refer to a specific scene of West Coast (and especially Gravity Records and 3-1-G Records) emo, but is generally regarded as redundant (hardcore emotional hardcore, say what?). Screamo started getting used seriously by people who didn't know shit to describe emo bands around 2000 because they had been misled into thinking whiny indie-rock was related to a type of hardcore.

Some 'punk' bands are obviously not anti-commercial, however within punk and all it's 40 000 offspring bands that make concessions to sell more records find themselves lacking street-cred. Bands that run their own labels and play basement shows for $5 aren't commercial, at all. That's how most emo bands exist.

Punk gets ripped off alot, because rebellion sells, that doesn't mean every band that plays that style is faking rebellion.

Hmm why they have to make so many genres in the first place. It seems as if instead of making music to make music they're just making it because its part of a certain 'genre'. Music is not so easily categorized. And yet they continue to do it. Why? To make money. Thus is the central point why I dislike punk and emo. The point is there really is no difference between the genres musically and its just another way to make money.

Hmm that still doesn't explain why there are so many genres in both punk and emo. The point is there really is no difference between the genres musically and its just another way to make money.

Are you telling me that you couldn't tell the difference between d-beat and pop punk?

Are you telling me that you couldn't tell the difference between d-beat and pop punk?

Ok sure there small stylistic differences but overall they are so insignificant that the music really just remains the same. Basically its all so that people can go around saying to others: "I'm d-beat punk, I'm Pop punk, I'm emo, I'm emohardore," purely to make themselves feel superior or 'special'.

Hmm why they have to make so many genres in the first place. It seems as if instead of making music to make music they're just making it because its part of a certain 'genre'. Music is not so easily categorized. And yet they continue to do it. Why? To make money. Thus is the central point why I dislike punk and emo. The point is there really is no difference between the genres musically and its just another way to make money.

Bullshit.

Frankly, if you beleive that you need to do your research.

The Sex Pistols (Classic Punk) sounded nothing like Minor Threat (Hardcore Punk), who sounded nothing like My Chemical Romance (emptyveemo - Thanks Haregraad :P ).

They were also ideologically quite different. The Pistols were generally run on not doing all the bullshit that the bands before them had done (or, if you prefer, they were run on Amphetimine Sulphate). If anything, their only joint ideology was summed up in the quote "We hate everything."

Minor Threat was the band that pioneered Straight Edge. Their ideology was more concerned with the issues that defined the dying early punk scene. They were more concerned with drugs and human interaction. They spent time critiscizing drugs and alchohol, and attacking the stupidity of their peers.

MCR is concerned with making money. Their lyrics deal with their internal "suffering".

Since you seem convinced Emocore was out there to make money, perhaps you should explain why the band that is seen as having pioneered it never even had enough money to buy equiptment to replace the equiptment they'd broken? Or why the band that was biggest amongst Emocore bands refused to play shows with a higher door price than 5 dollars (later adjusted to 7, to meet with inflation).

Perhaps you can tell me how Sham 69 made money, or how Black Flag made money. Maybe you can even explain how it is that the oh-so-greedy Punk Rock bands who play on labels like Epitaph and Fat Wreck only make a reasonable middle-class salary? Hell, Bad Religion's members have been around almost 30 years on the music-scene and they still don't pull in more than a moderately well payed manager each.

Ok sure there small stylistic differences but overall they are so insignificant that the music really just remains the same. Basically its all so that people can go around saying to others: "I'm d-beat punk, I'm Pop punk, I'm emo, I'm emohardore," purely to make themselves feel superior or 'special'.

Which shows you don't know one of the genres from another.

Which shows you don't know one of the genres from another.

Not listening to a type of music and then making blanket statements about it kinda gave it away. Ignorant people say ignorant things. People who are involved with something 'get' the differences, people who aren't sit on the sidelines and say it's all the same. ;)

Hmm why they have to make so many genres in the first place. It seems as if instead of making music to make music they're just making it because its part of a certain 'genre'. Music is not so easily categorized. And yet they continue to do it. Why? To make money. Thus is the central point why I dislike punk and emo. The point is there really is no difference between the genres musically and its just another way to make money.

Fans come up with subgenres and 'scenes' to describe a certain sound or ideology within a genre. In most cases, bands overlap several subgenres, Charles Bronson are certainly hardcore and also fastcore, thrashcore and powerviolence, because the three are roughly (but not entirely) the same. Behead The Prophet, No Lord Shall Live are spazzcore, because they're 'spazzy', queercore, because they're gay, crust, and possibly powerviolence, but not thrashcore, because they're not superfast. Some subgenres the qualifiers are lyrical content (goregrind, anarchopunk, peace punk), some it's certain musical elements (mathcore is hardcore with odd time signatures, spazzcore is hardcore with numerous tempo changes, d-beat is punk bands that play 'd-beats': b-s-b-b-s). Obviously a band with lots of time signature changes, tempo changes, three gay members and anarchist lyrics would qualify as belonging to an assinine number of subgenres.

Additionally, having new names for different sounds doesn't help anyone sell any records, people don't go out with a shopping list "Oh, I need a powerviolence CD, some d-beat, oh! I need a crustcore EP... maybe I should pick-up some two-tone CDs for that skinhead I know..." Music isn't Pokemon, people listen to/buy what they like, not 'one of every type'.

So many bands i missed in my original post. I think one distinction that seems to be working itself out is between that which people dislike and that which people think is over rated. The two dont necessarily have to overlap.

For example; I LIKE Nirvana. I enjoy their music and appreciate the influence they had on future bands, and how they embodied the grunge scene of the 90s. However, i also think that they were musically highly over hyped. I would prefer, by far, to listen to most of the other bands around that time and genre like Pearl Jam, SoundGarden, Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Screaming Trees, etc.

U2.

They suck and Bono's a total jackass, but for some reason people like to go on about them being the best band ever. Perhaps because they run around saying that they're the best band in the world...

9. Flogging Molly, and pretty much every punk band ever.
Wait, Flogging Molly are overrated? First of all, they're pretty damn good, secondly, don't they have to attain a decent level of popularity and radio play to be overrated? I've never heard them on the radio, I only heard about them because one of my friends likes them so I looked them up.

U2.

They suck and Bono's a total jackass, but for some reason people like to go on about them being the best band ever. Perhaps because they run around saying that they're the best band in the world...

Wow, I so agree. :D

U2.

They suck and Bono's a total jackass, but for some reason people like to go on about them being the best band ever. Perhaps because they run around saying that they're the best band in the world...

Along with that, "The Edge" totally ripped Keith Levene's guitar style. Totally and completely. Here's a video from 1978, plus another from 1980, to further my point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKK5jbpNy8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9O2tsIbKD0&search=public%20image%20ltd.%20pil%20john%20lydon%20johnny%20rotten%20jah%20wobble%20punk%20alternat ive

This is quite well-known amongst PIL fans.

Green Day. Blink 182. My Chemical Romance, whatever.

American Idiot is disgustingly annoying.

Punk rock skater rock sucks. Fuck them.

Punk rock skater rock sucks. Fuck them.

Trolling, naturally.

Trolling, naturally.

This whole thread is based on opinion. When it comes to music you really can't prove which is better or worse.

This whole thread is based on opinion. When it comes to music you really can't prove which is better or worse.

Sure you can. It just depends what perspective you take and what criteria you use.

Nirvana, The Killers, Ok Go, White Stripes(Enough of your BS!)

The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd
Led Zeppllin, Def Leppard and Black Sabbath. most overrated IMO.

I thouroughly belive that most the most overrated band ever is Led Zeppelin.

the beatles. there was much more interesting stuff being produce when they were around than them. they just had the marketing machine. like those arctic monkeys now, or oasis in the '90s.