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Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer. A good example of this is Dr. Phil, who is basically Oprah's bitch. Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard. A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass! My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still. A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind. A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself. A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family. A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house. A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children. Sorry for getting into a rant, but I believe what I stated above is what a real man is suppose to be. Not the metrosexual style men that we have today. Bring back the old school men!

What do y'all think?

You mean the ones with egos so big they need 10 giant 4X4 trucks to carry? They still exist, and are QUITE common. And no, I wouldn't miss them if they just happened to disappear into oblivion.

My compromise about the role of men as husbands, fathers and uncles is very simple. Three 'P's:

1)Provide
2)Protect
3)Procreate

All we do should be summarized by that.

It doesn't we rule the household like some dictator. It just saying we shouldn't need to become emotional scratching posts unless somebody is badly injured/dying/dead.

You mean the ones with egos so big they need 10 giant 4X4 trucks to carry? They still exist, and are QUITE common. And no, I wouldn't miss them if they just happened to disappear into oblivion.

Hey, a truck is very useful and really is needed by any homeowner. I mean my brother always borrow my dad's truck, and he should be buying his own.

I think you hate Albert.

Hey, a truck is very useful and really is needed by any homeowner. I mean my brother always borrow my dad's truck, and he should be buying his own.

I am not denying the practical uses of a truck as long as it's not a penis extension.

I am not denying the practical uses of a truck as long as it's not a penis extension.

I thought sport cars were penis extensions.

Oh man, that OP struck me as wrong in so many ways.

No I don't want a thick-headed, thick-built man "in charge of things". I was raised to stay inside and do housework while my brother was outside, but it's not something I really agree with.

When it comes down to it, I want a man who will clean up after himself and cares at least a little about how he looks. I don't need someone who is physically strong to "protect" me, I want someone with a sensitive side who can empathise with me.

I think you hate Albert.

Who is Albert?

I thought sport cars were penis extensions.

Trucks more so, because they're bigger.

I thought sport cars were penis extensions.

Both of them are, sport cars are explicetely penis extensions, trucks have other uses though....

Oh man, that OP struck me as wrong in so many ways.

No I don't want a thick-headed, thick-built man "in charge of things". I was raised to stay inside and do housework while my brother was outside, but it's not something I really agree with.

When it comes down to it, I want a man who will clean up after himself and cares at least a little about how he looks. I don't need someone who is physically strong to "protect" me, I want someone with a sensitive side who can empathise with me.

Can I ask how do you want him to empathize with you?

Who is Albert?

You know, Albert.

I really man would notice that as the number of manly men decreases quite quickly, and the number of women wanting manly men is staying comparatively constant, he is in for allot more pussy.

Which was the reason metrosexuals came into existence anyways. Women love homosexuals, why not fake it and get in their pants.

And if that was not the point of your rant, then I'm sorry I'm a pervert.

Can I ask how do you want him to empathize with you?

I want him to understand that I will be emotional sometimes, and to give me a hug type of thing. :)

EDIT: Also, I want to be able to talk to him about my emotions if I feel the need.

I really man would notice that as the number of manly men decreases quite quickly, and the number of women wanting manly men is staying comparatively constant, he is in for allot more pussy.

Which was the reason metrosexuals came into existence anyways. Women love homosexuals, why not fake it and get in their pants.

And if that was not the point of your rant, then I'm sorry I'm a pervert.

Eh the point of my rant is that men well, they should be righteous men who really shouldn't be acting "gay" just to get into a woman's pants, that is wrong. Of course if a straight man is acting "gay" then how the hell do you tell who wears the pants in the relationship?

*primps hair*

I want him to understand that I will be emotional sometimes, and to give me a hug type of thing. :)

EDIT: Also, I want to be able to talk to him about my emotions if I feel the need.

Fair enough, but to be honest crying makes me uncomfortable, I don't know why. Whenever I see someone cry, it just makes me act weird, it's like I probably know how to fix it, but my mind first response is "who's ass do I kick?"

You know, Albert.

explain.

Eh the point of my rant is that men well, they should be righteous men who really shouldn't be acting "gay" just to get into a woman's pants, that is wrong. Of course if a straight man is acting "gay" then how the hell do you tell who wears the pants in the relationship?

So a man should always "wear the pants" and be the dominant one in a relationship?

Eh the point of my rant is that men well, they should be righteous men who really shouldn't be acting "gay" just to get into a woman's pants, that is wrong. Of course if a straight man is acting "gay" then how the hell do you tell who wears the pants in the relationship?

You sit in the couples front garden and watch them as the leave for work. it will give you a good opportunity to examine the garments of both subjects as well as sniff your fingers.

Meh. A Grade C neo-masculinism rant. I've seen much better. But okay, I'll bite.

They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer.

Either you know some strange men or you don't know as many women as you should. I assure you, women spend much more time in the bathroom then men.

As for being "emotional," I think that's stupid pop-culture and has little bearing on reality.

Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard.

John Wayne was an actor, you know. He went to school in Glendale and went to USC. He was rejected by the US Navy. He died of stomach cancer. Really, what's manly about him, other than he happens to have been male?

A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass!

Lot of men do kick people's asses whenever their 'values' tell them to. Coincidentally, the USA has the largest prison population in the world. Apparently, assaulting another person is illegal.

My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still. A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind.

If you're the King, why CAN'T you beat your wife/queen? I mean she should respect his informed decision, no? Cuz he's a guy.

A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself.

According to whom? John Wayne? No, just you. Blah. I'm an atheist, so I could care less what a fictional being supposedly believes is right. And my country is wrong a lot of the time. My family is annoying. I like my friends, but I come first because without me, I have no friends.

I'm a Man, I just prioritize my life better than apparently you would.

A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family.

And he should be hairy. Really hairy. He should scratch his sweaty, unwashed balls to help protect the wimminfolk from furreners.

Fair enough, but to be honest crying makes me uncomfortable, I don't know why. Whenever I see someone cry, it just makes me act weird, it's like I probably know how to fix it, but my mind first response is "who's ass do I kick?"

In my experience, most of the time, all they need is a hug.

Do you identify as an alpha male then?

Macho bullshit.
Any man who thinks he's head of the household is obviously not living with me. And he'd damn well be able to pick up after himself, 'cause I'm not anyones maid. I'll be glad when your traditional manly man becomes extinct.
If a man tries to boss me around, he's history. If he let's me boss him too much, I tend to lose respect for him. Tread that middle line of equals.

So a man should always "wear the pants" and be the dominant one in a relationship?

Well I wouldn't say dominant, but the strong one yes. A man needs to be strong when his girlfriend/fiance/wife cannot. God knows having you cry with her isn't helping the situation.

Eh the point of my rant is that men well, they should be righteous men who really shouldn't be acting "gay" just to get into a woman's pants, that is wrong. Of course if a straight man is acting "gay" then how the hell do you tell who wears the pants in the relationship?

:rolleyes:

Eh the point of my rant is that men well, they should be righteous men who really shouldn't be acting "gay" just to get into a woman's pants, that is wrong. Of course if a straight man is acting "gay" then how the hell do you tell who wears the pants in the relationship?

I really do not like gender-roles, makes society seem like a great big Combine, Harvesting wild, free wheat and turning it into dull, homogenous grain.

Well I wouldn't say dominant, but the strong one yes. A man needs to be strong when his girlfriend/fiance/wife cannot. God knows having you cry with her isn't helping the situation.

So what happens when a man is weak, the household is just supposed to fall apart. Sorry to break this to you, but we aren't in the 18th century anymore. Women happen to have backbones and won't snap when you touch them. We're not porcelaine dolls. We are as strong as men are. A relationship is a support system between two people who love each other. It's not a woman leaning on the shoulders of a man.

Meh. A Grade C neo-masculinism rant. I've seen much better. But okay, I'll bite.

Just don't bite too hard. ;)


Either you know some strange men or you don't know as many women as you should. I assure you, women spend much more time in the bathroom then men.

As for being "emotional," I think that's stupid pop-culture and has little bearing on reality.


Eh I just hate to see a grown man cry, its disturbing.


John Wayne was an actor, you know. He went to school in Glendale and went to USC. He was rejected by the US Navy. He died of stomach cancer. Really, what's manly about him, other than he happens to have been male?


Ok, then how about the guy who played Luke in "Cool Hand Luke"?


Lot of men do kick people's asses whenever their 'values' tell them to. Not coincidentally, the USA has the largest prison population in the world. Apparently, assaulting another person is illegal.


Yea, but sometimes the other guy deserves to have a boot up his butt.


If you're the King, why CAN'T you beat your wife/queen? I mean she should respect his informed decision, no? Cuz he's a guy.


Beating your wife/queen is wrong period end of story.


According to whom? John Wayne? No, just you. Blah. I'm an atheist, so I could care less what a fictional being supposedly believes is right. And my country is wrong a lot of the time. My family is annoying. I like my friends, but I come first because without me, I have no friends.


You're a sad sad person aren't ya?


I'm a Man, I just prioritize my life better than apparently you would.


and yet...I feel fine.


And he should be hairy. Really hairy. He should scratch his sweaty, unwashed balls to help protect the wimminfolk from furreners.

Yes, if someone does threaten the womenfolk, then yes I will do that.

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer. A good example of this is Dr. Phil, who is basically Oprah's bitch. Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard. A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass! My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still. A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind. A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself. A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family. A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house. A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children. Sorry for getting into a rant, but I believe what I stated above is what a real man is suppose to be. Not the metrosexual style men that we have today. Bring back the old school men!

What do y'all think?

And that's what I aspire to become.
A few days ago a clueless woman asked me for directions to a dangerous(mugging, drug users location), I thought for a second and won over my desire to point her the way and just leave safely to my own direction. I asked her name, explained it to her and took her hand, brought her to necessary location, waited until she safely got into a bus (with some people in it) she kindly thanked me, then only after she dissapeared I left(with hurried steps to protect my own ass). It made me feel good, If I didn't do this I would have felt guilty.

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer.

So?
A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass!

*shakes head*

Ok, where did I misplace my instruction booklet?

My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife.

Violence is fun!

A man is suppose to be the head of the household,

Why? I can't find it in here. *flips through instruction book*

I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind.

So really, you just want to be the boss at the end of the day, huh?
What do y'all think?

I think that outfit is soooooo 1980's. You could do with a haircut too, sweetie.

So what happens when a man is weak, the household is just supposed to fall apart. Sorry to break this to you, but we aren't in the 18th century anymore. Women happen to have backbones and won't snap when you touch them. We're not porcelaine dolls. We are as strong as men are. A relationship is a support system between two people who love each other. It's not a woman leaning on the shoulders of a man.

Which is precisely what is wrong with America! Woman being as tough as the man! Outrageous! Just look at those female boxers. They could easily kick the ass of about any man. I'm sure you feel your balls shriveling just thinking about it, yes?

Then again the idea of being macho is stupid. I'll leave that for idiots who get into fights in bars.

Dr. Phil is a fat, macho twat, he's about as metrosexual as Hulk Hogan. Talking about emotions, or wearing tights, alone, doesn't make one not a macho.

As for me, I'm an effeminate, 'sissy' guy, and yet, still more manly then you. You can shave your ass and still like guns. :D

So what happens when a man is weak, the household is just supposed to fall apart. Sorry to break this to you, but we aren't in the 18th century anymore. Women happen to have backbones and won't snap when you touch them. We're not porcelaine dolls. We are as strong as men are. A relationship is a support system between two people who love each other. It's not a woman leaning on the shoulders of a man.

Eh, I never been good with showing "weakness" I mean comon, why the hell would you? I know women are strong, and I know that women are very smart, I've happen to be dating a strong and very smart lady myself, and thus she requires me to be as strong and as smart as she is (so far I think I'm doing ok).

And that's what I aspire to become.
A few days ago a clueless woman asked me for directions to a dangerous(mugging, drug users location), I thought for a second and won over my desire to point her the way and just leave safely to my own direction. I asked her name, explained it to her and took her hand, brought her to necessary location, waited until she safely got into a bus (with some people in it) she kindly thanked me, then only after she dissapeared I left(with hurried steps to protect my own ass). It made me feel good, If I didn't do this I would have felt guilty.

You sir, are a real man, congrats.

Oh man, that OP struck me as wrong in so many ways.

No I don't want a thick-headed, thick-built man "in charge of things". I was raised to stay inside and do housework while my brother was outside, but it's not something I really agree with.

When it comes down to it, I want a man who will clean up after himself and cares at least a little about how he looks. I don't need someone who is physically strong to "protect" me, I want someone with a sensitive side who can empathise with me.

Aieeeee! It thinks for itself! And it doesn't have a penis! Save us!

Dr. Phil is a fat, macho twat, he's about as metrosexual as Hulk Hogan. Talking about emotions, or wearing tights, alone, doesn't make one not a macho.

As for me, I'm an effeminate, 'sissy' guy, and yet, still more manly then you. You can shave your ass and still like guns. :D

Trust me I've watch Dr. Phil, I know what I am talking about. How can you be more manly than me if you're effeminate? Also, guys usually have bumps and warts on their ass, so why would you shave yours?

Eh, I never been good with showing "weakness" I mean comon, why the hell would you? I know women are strong, and I know that women are very smart, I've happen to be dating a strong and very smart lady myself, and thus she requires me to be as strong and as smart as she is (so far I think I'm doing ok).

Just because people aren't comfortable with showing weakness doesn't mean they don't have those moments. Unless you're a divine being, you will always feel weak some time or other. Would you just shut it inside yourself and not let it out because it's "not manly" to do so? I think that's just bullshit.

Also, guys usually have bumps and warts on their ass, so why would you shave yours?

Do us all a favour and never show us your butt, mmkay? :p

Eh I just hate to see a grown man cry, its disturbing.


...and you are fine with seeing a grown woman cry?


Ok, then how about the guy who played Luke in "Cool Hand Luke"?

I don't know. I don't watch TV. I'm a man, I do manly things, like work and make money and act gay to get in girl's pants. ;)

Yea, but sometimes the other guy deserves to have a boot up his butt.

Sometimes he does. Yes.

Beating your wife/queen is wrong period end of story.

But the man is the King of the house. That means he's the Sovereign. His word is Law. So you can declare what is wrong in your kingdom, your majesty, but in mine I have my own laws. My own values. That is what you said each Man has, yes?

You're a sad sad person aren't ya?

Well, I'm not the one posting here masturbating to some candy-ass John Wayne Hollywood-cowboy stereotype of bullshit machismo...

and yet...I feel fine.

Denial is a powerful thing.

Yes, if someone does threaten the womenfolk, then yes I will do that.

I'm sure the womenfolk will be happy to know that if ever they are threatened, you will... scratch your balls. "My hero" they will say, as they are gunned down cuz you thought you'd posture and puff out your chest like some bull moose in heat instead of doing something worthwhile!

Eh the point of my rant is that men well, they should be righteous men who really shouldn't be acting "gay" just to get into a woman's pants, that is wrong. Of course if a straight man is acting "gay" then how the hell do you tell who wears the pants in the relationship?

If I act "gay" and I get laid, and I get women pregnant, and I have children, and my genetic material gets passed on to a new generation, and you sit at home masturbating because you didn't get laid in the first place, which one of us is the more successful?

Don't answer, cuz I think you're just gonna troll some more. By the way, you seem to have a problem with gay people and are overcompensating by emphasizing a show of masculinity. Are you familiar with the term, "reaction formation?"

Aieeeee! It thinks for itself! And it doesn't have a penis! Save us!

:fluffle:

Just because people aren't comfortable with showing weakness doesn't mean they don't have those moments. Unless you're a divine being, you will always feel weak some time or other. Would you just shut it inside yourself and not let it out because it's "not manly" to do so? I think that's just bullshit.

That is true, I emulate my father, and I guess that is where I got that "don't show weakness" thing. I remember when both of his parents died, I never saw him cry. Whenever our family went through trouble, there he was, always ready to take charge and to help the family out of trouble.

Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard.

Hehe...I was buddy buddy with the Brawny Man, he's a cool cat. You'd be surprised, though, how much time he spent in a makeup chair. But he was also one of the only cats on the whole deal that hooked up, so take that as you will. All the rest of us tool belt wearing building crap gettin' muddy guys slept alone...

Both of them are, sport cars are explicetely penis extensions, trucks have other uses though....
You know, sometimes they're just fun to drive. As a former sports car owner and someone who hangs with the car crowd, chicks don't care and in fact think the regard for the cars is silly and we don't care what they think. Because seeing a 'curved road ahead' sign and hitting the gas is a blast.
I want him to understand that I will be emotional sometimes, and to give me a hug type of thing. :)

EDIT: Also, I want to be able to talk to him about my emotions if I feel the need.
I'll give you a 'hug type of thing'...





...aaaaannnnddd now I have to take a shower...

:fluffle:

:fluffle:

I don't see any self-professed "manly" men here getting fluffles. ;)

That is true, I emulate my father, and I guess that is where I got that "don't show weakness" thing. I remember when both of his parents died, I never saw him cry. Whenever our family went through trouble, there he was, always ready to take charge and to help the family out of trouble.

Look, just so you know, it's not healthy to shut it all in. And I'm sure if your girlfriend really loves you, she wouldn't care that you would show some signs of weakness. In fact, she would be a little relieved.

I'll give you a 'hug type of thing'...





...aaaaannnnddd now I have to take a shower...

Hopefully not before you jump on gabbly? :p

:fluffle:

I don't see any self-professed "manly" men here getting fluffles. ;)

I wonder why. It's probably unmanly to give or accept fluffles. :rolleyes:

...and you are fine with seeing a grown woman cry?

I'm not comfortable seeing anyone cry.


I don't know. I don't watch TV. I'm a man, I do manly things, like work and make money and act gay to get in girl's pants. ;)


lol, funny.


Sometimes he does. Yes.


Glad to see you agree with me on something.


But the man is the King of the house. That means he's the Sovereign. His word is Law. So you can declare what is wrong in your kingdom, your majesty, but in mine I have my own laws. My own values. That is what you said each Man has, yes?


Notice that I said that the man should consult his wife, and that he should make a decision that they both feel comfortable doing. Also, I swear if I see any "man" hit his wife, girlfriend, or any women. I will kick their ass.


Well, I'm not the one posting here masturbating to some candy-ass John Wayne Hollywood-cowboy stereotype of bullshit machismo...


Nah, you masturbate to Tom Cruise. ;)


Denial is a powerful thing.


I'm actually pretty comfortable with who I am, and where my life is going.


I'm sure the womenfolk will be happy to know that if ever they are threatened, you will... scratch your balls. "My hero" they will say, as they are gunned down cuz you thought you'd posture and puff out your chest like some bull moose in heat instead of doing something worthwhile!


Ok, lets say you have a family, and a punk break into your home. What would be your first concern? Mine would be to make sure my wife and children are safe, and to figure out how to keep them safe.


If I act "gay" and I get laid, and I get women pregnant, and I have children, and my genetic material gets passed on to a new generation, and you sit at home masturbating because you didn't get laid in the first place, which one of us is the more successful?


Eh if you want to sleep with 500 women, thats your business, I'm more of the relationship kind of guy.


Don't answer, cuz I think you're just gonna troll some more. By the way, you seem to have a problem with gay people and are overcompensating by emphasizing a show of masculinity. Are you familiar with the term, "reaction formation?"

I actually don't have a problem with gays, and I know not all gays are flaming, alot of them are just normal people like you or me, and honestly I don't give a rats ass what gays do in the privacy of their own home. In fact I don't care if they get married, because it doesn't affect me, or my relationship with my gal, so who gives a fuck.

Look, just so you know, it's not healthy to shut it all in. And I'm sure if your girlfriend really loves you, she wouldn't care that you would show some signs of weakness. In fact, she would be a little relieved.

Trust me, I get it out. I just don't whine about it, That's why I'm glad I'm a pilot. :D

Look, just so you know, it's not healthy to shut it all in. And I'm sure if your girlfriend really loves you, she wouldn't care that you would show some signs of weakness. In fact, she would be a little relieved.

Probably going to have to deal with that "he never tells me that he loves me!" bit. ;)

Probably going to have to deal with that "he never tells me that he loves me!" bit. ;)

I actually do tell her that, and when my girl is sick, I take care of her, and when she is hurting, I try to help her (after "kicking some ass" option doesn't work) and if her ex is bothering her, I stand up for her.

I wonder why. It's probably unmanly to give or accept fluffles. :rolleyes:

Yeah. And they all just really need a hug. :(

*Hugs Wilgrove* Everyone! Group hug!

Yeah. And they all just really need a hug. :(

*Hugs Wilgrove* Everyone! Group hug!

Do I know you? *looks suspiciously at Kanabia*

Yeah. And they all just really need a hug. :(

*Hugs Wilgrove* Everyone! Group hug!

YAY! HIPPIE LOVE! HUGS!

*Hugs Wilgrove* Everyone! Group hug!

:fluffle:

*runs away from the hugs*

I don't want to be a "manly man." The very thought is repulsive.

"Strong" men, with their posturing, their pride, their "strength"... how fake. How disgusting.

Sorry, I'd rather be soft - kind, loving, generous, and compassionate. And I'd rather treat females as actual equals, not as people who I must merely "consult" before making a decision.

May my heart always bleed.

*runs away from the hugs*

Come back! It's okay. Your penis won't fall off!

Come back! It's okay. Your penis won't fall off!

But I don't know you people! :p

Come back! It's okay. Your penis won't fall off!

says you. *prepares dagger*

Come back! It's okay. Your penis won't fall off!

Quite the opposite, if you're hugging the right people.

But I don't know you people! :p
So? :p

says you. *prepares dagger*

Yours won't fall off either. *pats*
Quite the opposite, if you're hugging the right people.

Heh :p

So? :p



Yours won't fall off either. *pats*


Heh :p

Did you insinuate I have a penis? :eek:

Look, if I really have one, it must be invisible.

But I don't know you people! :p

It's good for ya... (http://www.freehugscampaign.org/)

Did you insinuate I have a penis? :eek:

Look, if I really have one, it must be invisible.

Oh yeah? Prove it.

This'll be interesting...

Did you insinuate I have a penis? :eek:

Look, if I really have one, it must be invisible.

Invisible penis would have made puberty sooo much easier...




I guess a tent would still be a tent, now that I think about it...

Come back! It's okay. Your penis won't fall off!

Don't talk about detachable penises! It'll give you nightmares! :eek: :p

Don't talk about detachable penises! It'll give you nightmares! :eek: :p

Yea, just ask the one guy who got his penis cut off lol.

I'm not comfortable seeing anyone cry.
Yeah it's more than a strong man can handle...


I'm actually pretty comfortable with who I am, and where my life is going.
Aha, that explains this whole thread.

In fact I don't care if they get married, because it doesn't affect me, or my relationship with my gal, so who gives a fuck.
That seems reasonable, what is weird is that you dont extend this attitude to other males (ie males who dont happen to be homosexual).

You made this thread not because you personally need or want to date a manly man, nor because you cannot find a female companion who wants you in all your manly glory.

The only possible explanation is that for some strange reason despite being in a relationship with your gal you give a fuck about the conduct and demeanor of other males. Is this a sheep thing?

You dont want to change to be like others but at the same time you can't handle following your own path all on your ownsome, so you need to convince others to become like you so you'll have manly men to hold you hand while you walk the path of manly menliness?:confused:

I dont get why if you are content with you, and are contented to have a particular companion who happens to be content with you, you care whether or not other males are the heads of their households, have beards or beat up on other people (expect their wives and girlfriends) at the drop of the hat. Why do you care about whether or not people you'll never be romantically involved with are the heads of their household or not? How does this possibly effect you?

Does Wilgrove want a great, big, juicy kiss from Thomas? I think he does. Come here, and i'll show you my manliness :D

Muah! (http://photos.imageevent.com/happycanuk/misc/big%20kiss.gif)

Come closer you big stud (http://www.morvision.on.ca/images/The%20big%20Kiss.jpg)

Yeah, thats it baby (http://www.enet.ru/~chimps/images/ph/BIG/kiss.jpg)

Yea, just ask the one guy who got his penis cut off lol.

Pissed off his wife. Shouldn't have done that. :)

Don't talk about detachable penises! It'll give you nightmares! :eek: :p
orly?

I woke up this morning with a bad hangover
And my penis was missing again.
This happens all the time.
It's detachable.
This comes in handy a lot of the time.
I can leave it home, when I think it's gonna get me in trouble,
or I can rent it out, when I don't need it.
But now and then I go to a party, get drunk,
and the next morning I can't for the life of me
remember what I did with it.
First I looked around my apartment, and I couldn't find it.
So I called up the place where the party was,
they hadn't seen it either.
I asked them to check the medicine cabinet
'cause for some reason I leave it there sometimes
But not this time.
So I told them if it pops up to let me know.
I called a few people who were at the party,
but they were no help either.
I was starting to get desperate.
I really don't like being without my penis for too long.
It makes me feel like less of a man,
and I really hate having to sit down every time I take a leak.
After a few hours of searching the house,
and calling everyone I could think of,
I was starting to get very depressed,
so I went to the Kiev, and ate breakfast.
Then, as I walked down Second Avenue towards St. Mark's Place,
where all those people sell used books and other junk on the street,
I saw my penis lying on a blanket
next to a broken toaster oven.
Some guy was selling it.
I had to buy it off him.
He wanted twenty-two bucks, but I talked him down to seventeen.
I took it home, washed it off,
and put it back on. I was happy again. Complete.
People sometimes tell me I should get it permanently attached,
but I don't know.
Even though sometimes it's a pain in the ass,
I like having a detachable penis.

Does Wilgrove want a great, big, juicy kiss from Thomas? I think he does. Come here, and i'll show you my manliness :D

Muah! (http://photos.imageevent.com/happycanuk/misc/big%20kiss.gif)

Come closer you big stud (http://www.morvision.on.ca/images/The%20big%20Kiss.jpg)

Yeah, thats it baby (http://www.enet.ru/~chimps/images/ph/BIG/kiss.jpg)

:fluffle: You're hot.

Don't talk about detachable penises! It'll give you nightmares! :eek: :p

I really wanted to feel special, posting that first. :(

:fluffle: You're hot.

You're hotter :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

:D

Well its not "Weinie in a Bottle" but it'll do. :)

Oh yeah? Prove it.

This'll be interesting...

*deleted
Note the skirt and the lack of ... things there.

Note the skirt and the lack of ... things there.

Nope, that won't do it. There could very well be a penis tucked away in there. :p

Nope, that won't do it. There could very well be a penis tucked away in there. :p

Fine, you know what. I have a penis. I'm actually a 43 year old man with cheeto fingers, a fat hairy belly, and an unshaved face. I haven't showered in 5 days, I'm still a virgin, and I'm a devoted Chuck Norris fan. Are you happy now?

This seems to be a general trend on this board, particularly from self-professed feminists: Why do so many want emasculated men? If you are actually homosexual, you have your own thing going that (after having the pleasure of rooming with one last year) confuses me sometime, but hey, what ever. Masculinity does not necessarily mean "Stereotypical outlaw biker-type who poses all day," and is not a bad thing, yet seems to be criticized as such by most every women here. Why? What is wrong with a man who is genuinely confident in their masculinity?

Well its not "Weinie in a Bottle" but it'll do. :)

This makes me feel special. :p Because I just edited the post it's about... yeah, inside jokes are lame when they're just with yourself.

What is wrong with a man who is genuinely confident in their masculinity?

Why can't a man just be genuinely confident?

I don't want to be a "manly man." The very thought is repulsive.

"Strong" men, with their posturing, their pride, their "strength"... how fake. How disgusting.

Sorry, I'd rather be soft - kind, loving, generous, and compassionate. And I'd rather treat females as actual equals, not as people who I must merely "consult" before making a decision.

May my heart always bleed.
Alright, I'll remember that as I die when you are busy encouraging me when my house is burning down.

"Don't worry, it'll be all right." Yup. Sure.

Why can't a man just be genuinely confident?
Because you should embrace diversity.

Alright, I'll remember that as I die when you are busy encouraging me when my house is burning down.

"Don't worry, it'll be all right." Yup. Sure.

How did what I said preclude meaningful action?

This makes me feel special. :p Because I just edited the post it's about... yeah, inside jokes are lame when they're just with yourself.

"Weinie in a Bottle" is a great song.

Especially when he has to call 911. :D

Because you should embrace diversity.

Indeed. All the more reason to smash traditional gender roles.

Yes I do, but they are still around.. although most are married(or too young yet).. ofcourse why wouldn't they be.. a girl is gonna grab them up asap!
I have a song just for this as a matter of fact. Let me see........ aww can only get the words.. not gonna post just that tho. It's Leeann Womack- Buckaroo. Pretty much sums it up.

Why can't a man just be genuinely confident?

I dunno, I consider them to be one in the same. You can't tell me that a guy who decides to cater to his girl's every whim is, in fact confident in himself (in the whipped state, if you will), nor can you tell me that a guy who feels the need to assert himself by doing the same to his wife/girlfriend/etc. is confident in themself.

Hmm, you know I don't think its good to admire people who fly off the handle and attack people. Surely there are more diplomatic ways to solve disputes. Then again, I am very slow to anger myself, so I tend to be very level headed. I can't picture myself "kicking ass," lest someone went just a little too far. How far? Well, it hasn't happened so I don't know.

Does my avoidance of violence and conflict make me less of a man? I don't think so. My God, I still have a penis after all! Perhaps if the world had less "men" there would not be so many wars or misunderstandings. A fight does not decide who is right, but who is stronger. What if the guy you're attacking stabs your ass and rapes your lady in front of you to teach you a lesson? Eh, not so good then.

There is a place for fighting, but not whenever you feel someone is wrong. "HEY YOU CAN'T DO THAT! I'M GONNA KICK YOUR ASS," is something that just pisses me off. Do something productive. Don't run about like a raving cowboy.

Also, a relationship should be a partnership where decisions can be made by both people involved. The man has no God-given right to have the final word! What would give him that right? He's bigger, sweatier, and stronger? Hmm, what an archaic way to decide things. "Screw compromise! I'm the man and my word in the end is all that matters!" I, for one, don't mind letting my girlfriend decide what we're going to do sometimes and she lets me pick things other times. No one has a "final authority."

As for the whole, men don't cry thing, men DO cry. I mean, I'm not a damned robot. Do I like crying? No, I don't. I frankly hate it when people see my cry and as such only three people have seen me do so, but to think less of me for having emotions is horrid. If I can't share my feelings or vent with my girlfriend, the relationship is one-sided. I need to get things off my chest too! If that makes me a weak man, well fine, I'm weak. But when I'm not having a fit of rage or a breakdown because I never let anything out while carrying everyone else, I'll be the stronger one.

Men don't have to be brutish oxen with stone hearts and an iron hammer of justice. Men can be people! I'm sick of the stupid cowboys who think just because they're stronger they can tell other people what to do or can just run around assaulting people who are "wrong." I despise the assumption that women need a stong man to support them. Why? Women can stand their own ground just fine without men. Society needs to leave behind this draconian system where the strong man props up a weak woman, who can't make the final decision. We need to have relationships were both people support eachother because everyone can fall down in life and it is always nice to have someone there to help you back up. What isn't nice is when people who are standing just fine are carried or when people are left on the ground out of foolish pride.

I hope this rant made some sense. It's late, after all.

Fine, you know what. I have a penis. I'm actually a 43 year old man with cheeto fingers, a fat hairy belly, and an unshaved face. I haven't showered in 5 days, I'm still a virgin, and I'm a devoted Chuck Norris fan. Are you happy now?
Excellent, now I can replace my sig. :)

Alright, I'll remember that as I die when you are busy encouraging me when my house is burning down.

Happens often, does it?

This seems to be a general trend on this board, particularly from self-professed feminists: Why do so many want emasculated men?
Maybe people are not after emasculated men, maybe they think masculinity isnt so weak it will shatter at the first hint of good grooming. What exactly is emasculating about wanting to have relationships in which each partner maintains personal hygiene while also remaining their own boss?

Excellent, now I can replace my sig. :)


What? What's going into your sig now?

Edit: I saw it...and frack...That is just horrible...

What? What's going into your sig now?

I guess your admission to being a fat, middleaged man, who is a virgin and a Chuck Norris fan. You know, everything that you want all of NS to know. :)

snip

Other than the fairly ignorant OP, no one said that a "manly man" has no feelings whatsoever. If anything, the "manly man" is just confident in himself. Calling all manly men oxen and stupid cowboys is just... well, stupid.

As for the whole gender rolls thing: i'm a firefighter. I find fufillment in the activity of saving property and person. While training, I saw a few women who were as physically built as myself who I would have no problem backing me up on a line. On the otherhand, I saw a few women who, should they be coming up the ladder to save me, I'm taking my chances jumping. If we are going to "smash traditional gender roles," lets please make sure we are being intelligent about it.

Edit:
Maybe people are not after emasculated men, maybe they think masculinity isnt so weak it will shatter at the first hint of good grooming. What exactly is emasculating about wanting to have relationships in which each partner maintains personal hygiene while also remaining their own boss?
Nothing. I think its more of an attack on weak men in general, and an assertion that confident men should be held in higher regard.

What? What's going into your sig now?

Edit: I saw it...and frack...That is just horrible...

Hehehe.

Hehehe.

You're evil. Meh. I only described my alter ego because it's funny to be the reverse of internet stereotypes. :D

You're evil. Meh. I only described my alter ego because it's funny to be the reverse of internet stereotypes. :D

Hehehe. :p I'm sure nobody actually believes that you have balls. And if someone does, you can have fun with it. I'm doing you a favour, really. :)

Hehehe. :p I'm sure nobody actually believes that you have balls. And if someone does, you can have fun with it. I'm doing you a favour, really. :)

I know, that's why I'm enjoying this very much. Yay for amusement.

Anyway, I must be off to bed. Post lots so people will think I'm a gross old man! :p

I dunno, I consider them to be one in the same. You can't tell me that a guy who decides to cater to his girl's every whim is, in fact confident in himself (in the whipped state, if you will), nor can you tell me that a guy who feels the need to assert himself by doing the same to his wife/girlfriend/etc. is confident in themself.

I don't think anyone's suggesting servility.

I know, that's why I'm enjoying this very much. Yay for amusement.

Your sarcasm is showing. :p

Anyway, I must be off to bed. Post lots so people will think I'm a gross old man! :p

Sure thing. Goodnight :D

Other than the fairly ignorant OP, no one said that a "manly man" has no feelings whatsoever. If anything, the "manly man" is just confident in himself. Calling all manly men oxen and stupid cowboys is just... well, stupid.

As for the whole gender rolls thing: i'm a firefighter. I find fufillment in the activity of saving property and person. While training, I saw a few women who were as physically built as myself who I would have no problem backing me up on a line. On the otherhand, I saw a few women who, should they be coming up the ladder to save me, I'm taking my chances jumping. If we are going to "smash traditional gender roles," lets please make sure we are being intelligent about it.
Ah, well it was a response to the OP, since it got me annoyed. Confident people are all well and good, however, arrogant and pushy people are not. The OP seemed to describe more of the stereotypical 50's "king of the castle."

And just because we're changing traditional gender rolls, doesn't mean we toss out job qualifications. Firefighters need to be strong regardless of their gender, so I agree in that regard. We shouldn't have people in a job they cannot do properly just to break traditional roles.

How did what I said preclude meaningful action?
I still don't want a metrosexual firefighter saving me. If I had to choose between a "girly man" as McBane would say, or saving myself, I'd just junp out the freakin window.

I still don't want a metrosexual firefighter saving me. If I had to choose between a "girly man" as McBane would say, or saving myself, I'd just junp out the freakin window.

That doesn't sound like a very smart thing to do.

I want him to understand that I will be emotional sometimes, and to give me a hug type of thing. :)

EDIT: Also, I want to be able to talk to him about my emotions if I feel the need.

I can already feel my legs twitching into run away mode.

It seems that the decline of manlt men is only mourned by other men. If I was a nasty person, I'd suspect homoerotic motives behind the OP's lament.

I can already feel my legs twitching into run away mode.

You do that. I'll stay and take care of TBD :D

It seems that the decline of manlt men is only mourned by other men. If I was a nasty person, I'd suspect homoerotic motives behind the OP's lament.

:D

You do that. I'll stay and take care of TBD :D

Umm, can I help too? ;)

Umm, can I help too? ;)

You'll have to ask her... would be fine by me :fluffle: ;)

You do that. I'll stay and take care of TBD :D

Aww, I'm glad someone appreciates me. :D :fluffle:

You'll have to ask her... would be fine by me :fluffle: ;)

It may be acceptable. ;) :fluffle:

Aww, I'm glad someone appreciates me. :D :fluffle:


You know I appreciate you a lot, honey :fluffle: :fluffle:

You know I appreciate you a lot, honey :fluffle: :fluffle:

The feeling is mutual then, gorgeous. ;) :fluffle: :fluffle:

Metrosexual- A poser. A hetrosexual male who mimics stereotypical views of ,or pretends to be, a homosexual male so as to attract hetrosexual womens attention.

I don't have much use for people who pretend to be something they aren't.

I really man would notice that as the number of manly men decreases quite quickly, and the number of women wanting manly men is staying comparatively constant, he is in for allot more pussy.

Which was the reason metrosexuals came into existence anyways. Women love homosexuals, why not fake it and get in their pants.

And if that was not the point of your rant, then I'm sorry I'm a pervert.
I think you got the words pervert and insightful confussed.

Meh Manly men are simple twats who think with their wangs. Why on earth would anyone wnat to perpetuate such a stereotype>

In any case, metrosexual requires more skill to pull off.

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer. A good example of this is Dr. Phil, who is basically Oprah's bitch. Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard. A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass! My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still. A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind. A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself. A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family. A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house. A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children. Sorry for getting into a rant, but I believe what I stated above is what a real man is suppose to be. Not the metrosexual style men that we have today. Bring back the old school men!

What do y'all think?
Maybe look to real life instead of pop culture and you'll find that most of us a pretty much like that, except without the flaws like stoicism and such. And without the obviously political stuff (bolded).

What do y'all think?

I think you have an ugly strawman.


Next.

Fair enough, but to be honest crying makes me uncomfortable, I don't know why. Whenever I see someone cry, it just makes me act weird, it's like I probably know how to fix it, but my mind first response is "who's ass do I kick?"
What the fuck? You're of the same religion as me so I'm sure you'll understand that thinking like that is a weakness that you should transcend it. I don't understand why you think violence is always the solution to everything (violence is not fun or glamorous); or that love of God is necessarilly associated with nationalism.

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer. A good example of this is Dr. Phil, who is basically Oprah's bitch. Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard. A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass! My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still. A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind. A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself. A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family. A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house. A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children. Sorry for getting into a rant, but I believe what I stated above is what a real man is suppose to be. Not the metrosexual style men that we have today. Bring back the old school men!

What do y'all think?

I think the best response to this kind of 'issue', is some kind of stool-hardner.

Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne...
Which John Wayne are you talking about?
This one:
http://www.nndb.com/people/951/000025876/john-wayne-bobbitt.jpg
Or this one:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/39/150px-Johnwaynegacyclown.jpg

I think that "manly men" obsess WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much on what other men look like, act like, et cetera.

And if metrosexuals (aka people who put some thought into their appearance, and don't feel they need to prove themselves constantly with physical contests and defending their "manhood") appear to be attracting more women... what does that tell you about how women feel about them?

A man needs to be strong when his girlfriend/fiance/wife cannot.

And a woman needs to be strong when her boyfriend/fiance/husband can't. That give and take is what adults call "a mature relationship."

And that's what I aspire to become.
A few days ago a clueless woman asked me for directions to a dangerous(mugging, drug users location), I thought for a second and won over my desire to point her the way and just leave safely to my own direction. I asked her name, explained it to her and took her hand, brought her to necessary location, waited until she safely got into a bus (with some people in it) she kindly thanked me, then only after she dissapeared I left(with hurried steps to protect my own ass). It made me feel good, If I didn't do this I would have felt guilty.

You sir, are a real man, congrats.

No, what he is is a CONSIDERATE HUMAN BEING. I've done the same and these things growing out of my chest and the lack of dangly bits between my legs show that I have no Y chromosome.

Trust me I've watch Dr. Phil, I know what I am talking about. How can you be more manly than me if you're effeminate? Also, guys usually have bumps and warts on their ass, so why would you shave yours?
??? How many guys' buttocks have you examined?

Metrosexual- A poser. A hetrosexual male who mimics stereotypical views of ,or pretends to be, a homosexual male so as to attract hetrosexual womens attention.

I don't have much use for people who pretend to be something they aren't.

Unfortunately there is too many people nowadays pretending to be something they're not. I am annoyed by them, but also pity them.

No, what he is is a CONSIDERATE HUMAN BEING. I've done the same and these things growing out of my chest and the lack of dangly bits between my legs show that I have no Y chromosome.

Do they have a conservation program for "Considerate Human Beings" up and running yet? It's a species that we really should be protecting.

Hey, a truck is very useful and really is needed by any homeowner. I mean my brother always borrow my dad's truck, and he should be buying his own.

well, you know what they say, the bigger the truck, the bigger the chance is of genital-compensation being the reason for it.

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer. A good example of this is Dr. Phil, who is basically Oprah's bitch. Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard. A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass! My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still. A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind. A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself. A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family. A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house. A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children. Sorry for getting into a rant, but I believe what I stated above is what a real man is suppose to be. Not the metrosexual style men that we have today. Bring back the old school men!

What do y'all think?

i think you have an old-fashioned view on gender roles and expectations.
its my opinion that you should do what the fuck makes you happy and who cares if its the 'right' or 'normal' thing to be in terms of "what x or y should be" (ie if being a burly stereotypical guy makes you happy, then so be it. if being a "metrosexual" makes you happy, then that's great too)


however...

he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife

i'd do that.

in response to the original post... i'll probably have repeated someone or other but i didn't read every single page of this thread...

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer.

so...only women can spend forever and eternity in the bathroom? are we being a bit unintentionally sexist here? gender stereotypes are eugh.

A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass!

again, maybe i'm reading wrong, but are you implying women can't be strong? Or should be dependent on the male half? Hmmm... and what about women who have weak morals et al? is that okay? so some guys are strong, some are weak. the world spins on. not everyone's perfect. [and life would be boring if we all were anyway... heh....]

A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind.

unfortunately, it seems you have a rather idealistic view of the king-queen relationship. I suspect the kings of old aren't always as nice as you make 'em seem here. and meterosexuals can still by half the head of the household. is there proof they can't be?

A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house.

what if shooting the robber meant killing the robber meant possibly getting thrown in jail and being unable to support family? there is injustice in the world. it would be stupid to think otherwise. and there are stupid people in power at times. or corrupt. lotsa corruption.

and again, who says the meterosexual can't shoot another man? maybe i'm missing the whole point of labeling someone "meterosexual"... but well... *shrug*

A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children.

so if a man believes in killing and torturing for revenge and passes that moral on down to his kids... he's being manly? eh? if he goes about raping or watever.... [though i wonder that such a man would have kids to begin with.... >.> heh, anything is possible in this world]


hanyway. no, i can't say i miss those "manly men". especially if they're going to have big heads [though that's not necessarily a given]. and i wouldn't want a guy punching an offender's face in for me - i'd rather do it myself, thankyou.

also, if women can care about how they look, why can't guys? saying a man shouldn't follow fashion is like saying a woman can't pursue a career in medicine. it's prejudice the other way around... or so it seems to me.... hmmm. heee... i can just see the men rallying for the right to take five hours in the bathroom... XD

What do y'all think?

i think prescribed gender roles are silly.

so if a man believes in killing and torturing for revenge and passes that moral on down to his kids... he's being manly? eh? if he goes about raping or watever.... [though i wonder that such a man would have kids to begin with.... >.> heh, anything is possible in this world]

hanyway. no, i can't say i miss those "manly men". especially if they're going to have big heads [though that's not necessarily a given]. and i wouldn't want a guy punching an offender's face in for me - i'd rather do it myself, thankyou.
Your analysis is just as flawed as Wilgrove's. He set up the best possible image of a "manly man" and said that he misses them.

You set up the worst possible image of a "manly man" and said that you don't miss them.

I like them to have some emotions...
...then again they shouldn't know what Prada or Louis Vuitton is.

I like them to have some emotions...
...then again they shouldn't know what Prada or Louis Vuitton is.

Those are countries in Europe right?

I like them to have some emotions...
...then again they shouldn't know what Prada or Louis Vuitton is.
Those companies were started by men.

Those companies were started by men.

Aren't all companies started by men? I mean imagine a woman who has a head for business, that's crazy. How would she find a husband if she's too brainy and crafty?

it doesn't have a penis!

you shudn't jump to conclusions, you never know what's down there till you look:(

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer. A good example of this is Dr. Phil, who is basically Oprah's bitch. Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard. A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass! My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still. A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind. A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself. A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family. A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house. A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children. Sorry for getting into a rant, but I believe what I stated above is what a real man is suppose to be. Not the metrosexual style men that we have today. Bring back the old school men!

What do y'all think?

Then you clearly don't understand what being a man is about. You can't define a lack of manliness by qualities that a man does have. There is not a total amount of "quirk" that a man can have and any feminine quality he has means he must sacrifice an amount of manliness. It is not a state where men are strong and women are weak so more femininity means more weakness.

A man who has short hair and keeps his face stubbly and only wears blue-collar clothes, slightly frayed, is every much the metrosexual that the man in the salmon-shirt, pressed slacks, and the awareness to shave from the jawline down so that his 5 O'Clock shadown will make him look manly but not uncivilized. How is that any more fashion sensitive than the guy who tells bikers they look like 'fags' because their long hair makes them look like a girl?

I won't disagree that the modern age has produced a generation of men who have forgotten what it means to be men. But they're pretty evenly split between men who think that being a modern man means being fashion-concsious, art-savvy, and fond of trendy drinks and men on the other side who think that being a man means not being any of the above, plus drinking beer and watching football even if you never get off your fat ass and play it.

If you're a real man it doesn't matter if you drink white wine instead of beer, are aware of what colors coordinate with what, and don't like football because it's too damn boring so long as you also know to be true to your word, stand up to those who would threatend your friends, family, and woman, don't eat salad. ;)

I wouldn't really want to be a so-called "Manly man" (maybe the term "ape-man" should be used?) OR a "metrosexual". They both seem like stupid extremes to me.

Going back to the OP...

Why aren't men manly men anymore? Well, it's pretty simple. A couple things have happened.

Men aren't that stupid anymore. Men have figured out that "manly men" aren't really wanted. Studies have shown that even purely physically, women prefer men that are feminized from the masculine average.

Being "metrosexual" or displaying sensitivity has nothing to do with the core aspects of masculinity, physically or in spirit. Most of the guys who try to avoid being classed as metrosexual - and heaven forbid someone call them "gay" - pay every bit as much attention to their appearance as those who don't.

The core "values" of masculinity, if care to define them as standing up for what's right, protecting others, providing, etc - those are still out there regardless.

I don't stop being masculine when I play the flute, or dance, or write poetry, or hug someone, or talk frankly about my emotions - and I certainly wouldn't do those if I didn't have more nerve than most men my age, or if I was susceptible to social pressure.

A man who has short hair and keeps his face stubbly and only wears blue-collar clothes, slightly frayed, is every much the metrosexual that the man in the salmon-shirt, pressed slacks, and the awareness to shave from the jawline down so that his 5 O'Clock shadown will make him look manly but not uncivilized. How is that any more fashion sensitive than the guy who tells bikers they look like 'fags' because their long hair makes them look like a girl?

while a convoluted paragraph, i agree with what you said. reminds me of an old favourite quote i got from round here:


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9876993&postcount=59 :D

i argee with op. too much pansy boys around.

Studies have shown that even purely physically, women prefer men that are feminized from the masculine average.


I saw an interesting study that said women's preference regarding masculinity in men's appearences varies with the menstrual cycle.

Women are attracted to more masculine-looking men at the most fertile time of their menstrual cycle, psychologists have shown.

During the less fertile times, they choose men with more feminine-looking faces. These are seen as kinder and more co-operative, but less strong and healthy genetically.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/376321.stm

I saw an interesting study that said women's preference regarding masculinity in men varies with the menstrual cycle.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/376321.stm
I remember that study quite well.

The devil is in the details, not present in that particular summary. Even at peak fertility times, women still prefered slightly feminized faces from the masculine average - and the percentage of "feminization" preferred goes up considerably for the rest of the month.

Most people focused on the shift as a source of infidelity (further studies have explored this more) rather than thinking about it in absolute terms, which would be to say:

At certain times of the month, women find slightly feminized men most attractive on average, whereas during other times of the month, women find moderately feminized men most attractive on average.

Those men with the misfortune to look more masculine than average mourned, seeing formalized what we have already known:

Only other men are really impressed [or intimidated] by our high, super, or hypermasculine appearance. It's like fashion or penis size, not really very effective on the opposite sex.

I remember that study quite well.

The devil is in the details, not present in that particular summary. Even at peak fertility times, women still prefered slightly feminized faces from the masculine average - and the percentage of "feminization" preferred goes up considerably for the rest of the month.

Most people focused on the shift as a source of infidelity (further studies have explored this more) rather than thinking about it in absolute terms, which would be to say:

At certain times of the month, women find slightly feminized men most attractive on average, whereas during other times of the month, women find moderately feminized men most attractive on average.

i dont think it is posible for a woman to know what she wants so altering your appearance for purpose is pointless.

Most people focused on the shift as a source of infidelity

I remember that too, which I thought was quite silly. Anyway, I thought the fluctuation to be interesting.

I'm not comfortable seeing anyone cry.


So, why does men crying bother you more than women?

Is it because you're just more accustomed to the sight of weeping women?

Also, I swear if I see any "man" hit his wife, girlfriend, or any women. I will kick their ass.

Then you're foolish. You'd get prison sentence for that. You couldn't call it self defense. Whether or not you see someone else committing a crime, is not a legal excuse to go committing one yourself.
Maybe you think you're tough now, but I bet even your mighty masculine exterior would be penetrated by a few years in prison.

Me, I'd call the police.


Nah, you masturbate to Tom Cruise. ;)

Right, because I make threads glorifying the lifestyle of Tom Cruise. Oh wait I don't, therefore this is nothing but a pathetic flame.

Ok, lets say you have a family, and a punk break into your home. What would be your first concern? Mine would be to make sure my wife and children are safe, and to figure out how to keep them safe.

But you already said that you'd scratch your balls. Scratching your balls doesn't make anyone safe. I hate when I have to reprise the same conversation I'm having with someone cuz they're playing dumb.

I actually don't have a problem with gays, and I know not all gays are flaming, alot of them are just normal people like you or me, and honestly I don't give a rats ass what gays do in the privacy of their own home. In fact I don't care if they get married, because it doesn't affect me, or my relationship with my gal, so who gives a fuck.

Hmm, you just give a rats ass what they do in public. Showing gayness in public. "Acting gay." I get it. Look, you're a homophobe, that's perfectly alright to admit. And the way you seem to be going on about gays at the same time you're reminiscing about John Wayne.... well, that makes me doubt your assertations here.

Again, why is it that the disappearance of manly men only seems to bother the guys on this forum? I didn't realise there ar ethat many closet gays on here... Fass must be delighted. :D

while a convoluted paragraph, ...

Sorry, I don't take my ADD meds on weekends :)

Nah, you masturbate to Tom Cruise. ;)


But the question is, by whom does he wish to be served citrus beverages?

Again, why is it that the disappearance of manly men only seems to bother the guys on this forum? I didn't realise there ar ethat many closet gays on here... Fass must be delighted. :D

Right, because people who don't want to associate themselves with metrosexuals are really all closeted homosexuals.

Right, because people who don't want to associate themselves with metrosexuals are really all closeted homosexuals.

To be honest, I've got no idea what the concept of "metrosexual" entails.
Me, I don't like men who feel the need to cling to any kind of stereotypes. But the ones that really upset me are those trying to be particularly "manly".
And that's about the general consens judging from all the post made by NS women here. The ones who go on about how men should be more manly are other men.
What kind of interest could they have in men being more manly? I suspect homoerotic motives. If you have another explanation, let me know. :D

Those are countries in Europe right?

No, no, no. Those are Spanish cities.

Metrosexual? Me? NO WAIIII!!!!!!1111 :eek:

Then you're foolish. You'd get prison sentence for that. You couldn't call it self defense. Whether or not you see someone else committing a crime, is not a legal excuse to go committing one yourself.
Wouldn't that fall under good Samaritan laws, somewhat? (beating someone up to save someone else from being beaten up)

You mean the ones with egos so big they need 10 giant 4X4 trucks to carry? They still exist, and are QUITE common. And no, I wouldn't miss them if they just happened to disappear into oblivion.


I agree. I am a woman- And Men like that are always big-headed and they think that women are just objects/play things. Hate to break it to you guys....BUT WE'RE NOT!!:)

I agree. I am a woman- And Men like that are always big-headed and they think that women are just objects/play things. Hate to break it to you guys....BUT WE'RE NOT!!:)

i quite like being treated like a play thing, especially by big, strong manly men, it's making my pulse race just thinking about it

Whatever gets you laid.

Right, because people who don't want to associate themselves with metrosexuals are really all closeted homosexuals.

I believe that the studies conducted on the topic indicate that about 80% of them are. Or at least they're as turned on by man on man porn as they are by man on woman porn.

Again, why is it that the disappearance of manly men only seems to bother the guys on this forum? I didn't realise there ar ethat many closet gays on here... Fass must be delighted. :D
Cabra, just look at the men who star in movies targeted to men vs the men who star in movies targeted to women.

Arnold? Men's movies.
Sylvester Stallone? Men's movies.
"The Rock" and other professional wrestlers would only be seen in movies targeted to men.
If a guy is described as "kick-***," like Samuel L. Jackson, Jackie Chan, John Wayne, or that quintessential hardcore ***-kicker, Bruce Lee... are you expecting to see him in a movie marketed to women?

Hypermasculinity is something that men mostly admire, not women.

i quite like being treated like a play thing, especially by big, strong manly men, it's making my pulse race just thinking about it

now that makes my pulse race as a man :D that's the point!
The way a woman hangs to your arm and feeling her weight such a strong emotion that I can't describe. She knows, you know that there is an erotic game between and she's letting you be the boss and enjoying it as you do. I had a friend that I lived such emotions together, she knew the art of womanhood so well I practically melted being together with her. She definetely had a strong character as I do and we felt completing, satisfied, confident with each other in our well defiend roles. I had never thought that things that looked liked cliches could be so effective and affecting until then.

Look it might be taken as homoerotic but as a man I look to those old pictures and see rugged features and a classy look at those mans faces. Old movie artists and old family photos. They are not like caveman, very well shaved and pretty much caring themselves but still 'a bit' rugged, a bit sharp and realy manly. I prefer to look more like them, somewhere in between of a caveman and a metrosexual with perfect lips :eek: It's more charismatic and satisfying to carry the figure of classical man with you even if requires some effort.

Cabra, just look at the men who star in movies targeted to men vs the men who star in movies targeted to women.

Arnold? Men's movies.
Sylvester Stallone? Men's movies.
"The Rock" and other professional wrestlers would only be seen in movies targeted to men.
If a guy is described as "kick-***," like Samuel L. Jackson, Jackie Chan, John Wayne, or that quintessential hardcore ***-kicker, Bruce Lee... are you expecting to see him in a movie marketed to women?

Hypermasculinity is something that men mostly admire, not women.

Good point... and a good answer for the OP's original question, actually. ;)

Gosh it disturbs me to see you, Gaston
Looking so down in the dumps
Ev'ry guy here'd love to be you, Gaston
Even when taking your lumps
There's no man in town as admired as you
You're ev'ryone's favorite guy
Ev'ryone's awed and inspired by you
And it's not very hard to see why
No one's slick as Gaston
No one's quick as Gaston
No one's neck's as incredibly thick as Gaston's
For there's no man in town half as manly
Perfect, a pure paragon!
You can ask any Tom, Dick or Stanley
And they'll tell you whose team they prefer to be on
Lefou and Chorus:
No one's been like Gaston
A king pin like Gaston
LeFou:
No one's got a swell cleft in his chin like Gaston
Gaston:
As a specimen, yes, I'm intimidating!
Lefou and Chorus:
My what a guy, that Gaston!
Give five "hurrahs!"
Give twelve "hip-hips!"
LeFou:
Gaston is the best
And the rest is all drips
Chorus:
No one fights like Gaston
Douses lights like Gaston
LeFou:
In a wrestling match nobody bites like Gaston!
Bimbettes:
For there's no one as burly and brawny
Gaston:
As you see I've got biceps to spare
LeFou:
Not a bit of him's scraggly or scrawny
Gaston:
That's right!
And ev'ry last inch of me's covered with hair
Chorus:
No one hits like Gaston
Matches wits like Gaston
LeFou:
In a spitting match nobody spits like Gaston
Gaston:
I'm espcially good at expectorating!
Ptoooie!
Chorus:
Ten points for Gaston!
Gaston:
When I was a lad I ate four dozen eggs
Ev'ry morning to help me get large
And now that I'm grown I eat five dozen eggs
So I'm roughly the size of a barge!
Chorus:
Oh, ahhh, wow!
My what a guy, that Gaston!
No one shoots like Gaston
Makes those beauts like Gaston
LeFou:
Then goes tromping around wearing boots like Gaston
Gaston:
I use antlers in all of my decorating!
Chorus:
My what a guy,
Gaston!

I believe that the studies conducted on the topic indicate that about 80% of them are. Or at least they're as turned on by man on man porn as they are by man on woman porn.

These studies: have any proof of their existance?

Your version of what a "real man" should be is not only wrong, but rather harmful. I can draw no other conclusion then you're nothing more than a child who watched too many westerns, and never spent time in any real world situations. Life isn't like what you watch on TV kid, and you don't go saddlin your horse and ridin off in the sunset when all is said and done.

When you actually begin to experience life, REAL life, not your sheltered college student existence that you THINK is real life but is in fact one of the coziest bubbles you'll ever find yourself in, I hope you begin to realize this.

Let me tell you what a "real man" is, ok kiddo? A real man is not afraid to feel, feel happy, feel sad, feel lonely. A real man does not shut out the world when he's not at his best. A real man is not afraid to tell the person he loves that he's feeling sad. A real man is not afraid to show emotion. And if you are uncomfortable letting the people you care about know how you feel, then YOU are not a real man.

And a real man is not made squemish by others showing their feelings. A real man doesn't judge people by how they live their life, as long as nobody gets hurt. A real man doesn't get uncomfortable just because they're in the presence of "teh gayz". And if you are uncomfortable watching people show their feelings of being upset, of crying, or even loving, yes, other men, then YOU are not a real man.

A real man gives defference to his partner whom he loves. A real man builds relationships out of compromise, not authoritarianism. A real man does not consider himself inferior or superior to his partner. A real man realizes that sometimes his female partner might know more than he does about something. A real man recognizes when someone knows something he doesnt, and knows when to shut the hell up and listen. A real man recognizes that in the 21st century his female partner might well make as much, if not more than he does, and a real man accepts that. And if you believe that by virtue of being male you get the last say, all the time, your the provider, you're the male, your choice is final, if she doesn't disagree too bad, then YOU are not a real man.

A real man works on rationality, and calm thinking. A real man solves his problems without the need for violence. A real man when he sees someone in distress worries more how to help that person, then punish the one who put them there. A real man resorts to violence only at the last resort. A real man, when forced to commit violence, regrets that this was the only option he was left with. A real man values his mind, his ability to think, to care, to reason. And if you chose brawn over brain, if you see the first way to fix the problem is trying to go beat someone up, if you worry more about making someone "pay" then making someone right, if you get a hardon for violence and relish the opportunity rather than enter into it regretfully as the last choice, then YOU are not a real man.

A real man recognizes that the face he presents to the world is the way he is viewed. A real man recognizes that people judge him on the way he looks, and the way he presents himself. A real man recognizes that the best way to succeed is impress people, work his way up, and do better. A real man recognizes that the way to do this is to dress well, look good, smell good, smile nicely, and have a good haircut. A real man recognizes that the unwashed, unshaven, disheveled look might work for being around the house on a weekend, it doesn't cut it in the office monday morning. And if you think a real man should be in jeans, bearded, wearing smelling, grease clothing and not recognize that to be a professional you must look sound and act like a professional, then YOU are not a real man.

A real man kid, gives his whole self to the people he loves, he isn't afraid to tell them he loves them, he isn't afraid to give them emotional support. He isn't afraid to sometime just give a hug. And he isn't afraid to ask for one when he needs one.

And most importantly, a real man doesn't live his life in some way just because some john wayne move, some paper towel actor, or some punk ass kid on the internet tells him he should.

In short junior, a real man means something in THIS century a WHOLE lot different then what your mysoginistic, woman hating cowboy glorifying world view thinks it does. In others words kid, you ain't no real man.

accully, I know plenty of strong, independent women who greatly enjoy the "manly man" type.

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer. A good example of this is Dr. Phil, who is basically Oprah's bitch. Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard. A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass! My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still. A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind. A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself. A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family. A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house. A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children. Sorry for getting into a rant, but I believe what I stated above is what a real man is suppose to be. Not the metrosexual style men that we have today. Bring back the old school men!

What do y'all think?

There's no such thing as "Real Men" (or "Real Women").
There are decent people though, and some (some) of the things you said would just go into that category. Standing up for what's right, treating your partner with respect, providing for and protecting your family, passing on knowledge, caring for your children... they're all admirable things, and shouldn't be things encouraged soley in men. Do you not want women to also stand up for what's right, provide for their family, care for their children etc etc?

If we didn't have all these stupid gender roles to live up to, and people just strived to be better people in general, we'd all get a lot further.

Also if people made the most of the positive traits they held, rather than striving for other traits they "should" have. If a man is great with children, is crap at business deals, but gets a more "manly" job to live up expectation, who gains anything from that? If a woman is a fantastic scientific thinker, but is forced to stay at home and clean dishes, we are all only missing out.

Gender roles are not only useless but pretty damn crappy.

Also... why do you only value "masculine" traits? Why are "feminine" traits so awful and to be prevented? You have a very narrow-minded view of things... Some traditionally "masculine" traits such as being arrogant, sexist, aggressive and unable to communicate feelings aren't really so geat. Some traditionally "feminine" traits such as creativeness, empathy, eloquence and being able to communicate with others well are pretty great. There are, of course, good and bad traits with each gender role. As I've said, it'd make far more sense to simply value good traits over bad traits. Of course, that can be kinda subjective, but at least discussion over that would be worthwhile.

(ooo, Godfather 2 is on! my post will be continued later... :p *rushes off*)

Metrosexual- A poser. A hetrosexual male who mimics stereotypical views of ,or pretends to be, a homosexual male so as to attract hetrosexual womens attention.

I'm not "metrosexual" - I care too little for my appearance, and I actually am attracted to males - but if we're talking about "posers" I think "manly men" take the cake.

I don't think that there is one way someone should act all of the time. Many people who know me might consider me somewhat of "metrosexual", which is strange cause I spend almost no time paying attention to how I look, but most people who have seen me play sports might say I am very fearless and "manly". I have fought with people and I have cried, and out of those two things, I am not that ashamed of either. I will defend myself and the people around me if I can, but will never go looking for a fight. People have mistaken me for being gay, and some people have mistaken me for being a girl, and I don't really care. If a girl is looking for someone more "manly" or more "metro", I don't care, cause that means I probably wouldn't have cared for them anyway. I don't understand why the OP suggest that men or women should act a certain way, I find if I just act like myself, I will find myself hanging around people that I get along with. No need to try and force your morals and values on other people.

but if we're talking about "posers" I think "manly men" take the cake.

Do you find something wrong with a man being strong, reliant, providing, and protective? Is there something "fake" or "poserish" about a man being responcible, taking care of his own self and mistakes without burdening others, and doing right by his friends, partner, and family, of any?

You're just threatened because those men are what women really want, not your boorish self.

Cabra, just look at the men who star in movies targeted to men vs the men who star in movies targeted to women.

Arnold? Men's movies.
Sylvester Stallone? Men's movies.
"The Rock" and other professional wrestlers would only be seen in movies targeted to men.
If a guy is described as "kick-***," like Samuel L. Jackson, Jackie Chan, John Wayne, or that quintessential hardcore ***-kicker, Bruce Lee... are you expecting to see him in a movie marketed to women?

Hypermasculinity is something that men mostly admire, not women.

OK so according to Oprah's list of chick flicks women like:

Ralph Fiennes(The English Patient)
Ben Chaplin(The truth about Cats and Dogs)
Jimmy Stewart(The Shop Around the Corner)

Do you find something wrong with a man being strong, reliant, providing, and protective? Is there something "fake" or "poserish" about a man being responcible, taking care of his own self and mistakes without burdening others, and doing right by his friends, partner, and family, of any?

I know many women who fit that description, too.
There's nothing particularly "manly" about that.

Do you find something wrong with a man being strong, reliant, providing, and protective?

No, but my conceptions of what those traits constitute are not really compatible with the notion of a "manly man."

Is there something "fake" or "poserish" about a man being responcible,

No.

taking care of his own self and mistakes without burdening others,

Yes. That is impossible.

and doing right by his friends, partner, and family, of any?

Depends on what is meant by "doing right."

You're just threatened because those men are what women really want, not your boorish self.

No, they're threatened because that beer from the barefooted wifey in the kitchen during Monday Night Football doesn't come as quickly as it did during times of yore.

No, they're threatened because that beer from the barefooted wifey in the kitchen during Monday Night Football doesn't come as quickly as it did during times of yore.
Thats the description of a fat pig not a real manly man. My father had a saying '' Son, a fat belly is the gravestone of a dead penis'' Manly man are working man, not fatasses sitting all day while their wifes work for them.

Thats the description of a fat pig not a real manly man. My father had a saying '' Son, a fat belly is the gravestone of a dead penis''

Hey, don't you badmouth bellies. I happen to like them. :D

No, but my conceptions of what those traits constitute are not really compatible with the notion of a "manly man."

who's notion of a "manly man" are you going by then? Because those traits are what immediatly spring to my mind.



Yes. That is impossible.

Perhapse I should have said "without burdening other unduely," but in any event, I disagree. Depending on the situation, you can often handle your own problems without burdening others. Basically, not shirking your resoncibilities off on others.



Depends on what is meant by "doing right."

I should think it'd be pretty straightforward. Arthais101 had a pretty good definition one page back.

Thats the description of a fat pig not a real manly man. My father had a saying '' Son, a fat belly is the gravestone of a dead penis''

I mentioned nothing about weight and much about a man who does what he wants to do, orders his wife around and keeps her around as a baby maker and beverage dispenser.

Hey, don't you badmouth bellies. I happen to like them. :D
lol thats not the point I assure you as a former fat guy myself :p

I mentioned nothing about weight and much about a man who does what he wants to do, orders his wife around and keeps her around as a baby maker and beverage dispenser.

The point I was trying to make was not physical its my mistake. A man must be a man for the family bearing responsibility not laying on his back.

I mentioned nothing about weight and much about a man who does what he wants to do, orders his wife around and keeps her around as a baby maker and beverage dispenser.

Not anyone here is saying that this is a "manly man"

Girly-men are far sexier that manly-men! :fluffle:

I know what you mean by manly man
Not someone who thinks he is god's gift to women.
Someone who is selfless, a knight in shining armour, Not afraid to say "I love you" in front of other men, Would do anything for you, but at the same time has your complete respect.
I'm not sure manly is the best word to descibe it though. You can have long hair and no muscle mass and still be this kind of guy.

The point I was trying to make was not physical its my mistake. A man must be a man for the family bearing responsibility not laying on his back.

Not anyone here is saying that this is a "manly man"

Fair enough. But let me put it in other terms. I think that anyone taking responsibility for another or from another adult (outside of a consensual bdsm relationship) isn't right. I find the idea that a man referring to his house as a kingdom and his wife as queen and in second command is wrong. I just don't feel like it is right and it is something I would never subscribe to. I would never make an important decision without discussing it with my wife... not merely asking her opinion but having an actual discussion.

Fair enough. But let me put it in other terms. I think that anyone taking responsibility for another or from another adult (outside of a consensual bdsm relationship) isn't right. I find the idea that a man referring to his house as a kingdom and his wife as queen and in second command is wrong. I just don't feel like it is right and it is something I would never subscribe to. I would never make an important decision without discussing it with my wife... not merely asking her opinion but having an actual discussion.

And I completly agree with you here. Although I think that in a relationship, a husband and wife have certain responcibilities to each other, and they both have responcibilities to their kids, if they have any.

And I completly agree with you here. Although I think that in a relationship, a husband and wife have certain responcibilities to each other, and they both have responcibilities to their kids, if they have any.

Well.. oh. OK.


Um. Bye.

who's notion of a "manly man" are you going by then? Because those traits are what immediatly spring to my mind.

No, I didn't say they weren't traits of a "manly man," merely that the way they are expressed in a "manly man" does not synchronize well with my own conception of what those traits should encompass.

Take the whole notion of "protective." I think everybody, irrelevantly of sex, should help others in need, but I reject the notion that the "manly man" seems to carry around with this - the idea that the male must take upon this responsibility because he's big and strong and tough and "leader," and everybody else is too much of a weakling to protect themselves.

Not to mention the overwrought sense of pride that sees mere insults as deadly attacks.

Perhapse I should have said "without burdening other unduely," but in any event, I disagree. Depending on the situation, you can often handle your own problems without burdening others. Basically, not shirking your resoncibilities off on others.

Not "shirking," yes, but you must also recognize that you are not superhuman.

I should think it'd be pretty straightforward. Arthais101 had a pretty good definition one page back.

I agreed with everything in Arthais101's post except the association of those positive traits with some conception of "real masculinity."

I date a manly metrosexual, and it's not bad at all. I generally go for guys who can express themselves. I've never been into "Brawny" men.

*snip* OP...What do y'all think?

As usual, I think you're full of crap.

King and Queen? Please. I pay the mortgage, he covers the auto payments. Neither one of us can claim our SHARED HOME is our kingdom or queendom.

And frankly, women get to choose whatever kind of men they like...metrosexual, neanderthal, gay (well, okay, we don't actually get the choice there unfortunately) etc. So, I'm sure one day you're total lack of appeal to intelligent women will actually turn some subservient little bee-hive wearing woman totally on. Good luck with that.

how the hell do you tell who wears the pants in the relationship?
You're always so stuck on this...so threatened by anything that might take away from male dominance in the household. Well, you really should have been born in a different age, because frankly, you're just going to have to get over it.

Well I wouldn't say dominant, but the strong one yes. A man needs to be strong when his girlfriend/fiance/wife cannot. God knows having you cry with her isn't helping the situation.

Newsflash...a man needs his significant other to be strong when he cannot too. That really the reason we bother staying in a long-term relationship instead of just screwing anyone who happens to wander by.

Here's a cool little notion. If men and women are supposed to be equal, how about the act as equals. If a woman needs help with something, the man should be ready and willing to assist. Likewise if the guy could use some help, the woman should be equally helpful.

Here's a cool little notion. If men and women are supposed to be equal, how about the act as equals. If a woman needs help with something, the man should be ready and willing to assist. Likewise if the guy could use some help, the woman should be equally helpful.

As long as said 'something' is no pulling out ass hairs with a tweezer, or cleaning dirty leg-shaving devices. Some things should be done on your own;)

Haha, its funny you should mention this...

Last night my friend was gossiping with me, catching me up on all the drama that had happened over the summer when we were 3 or 4 states away. She was saying how she and her bf had made out on the floor. So I asked who was on top. And she said that both, at different points. And I said, "good, thats the key to every relationship." Another friend laughed and was like, "I love Dubsy's words of wisdom. Not, 'communication is the key to every relationship,' no, who is on top is the key to every relationship!"

But it is. Sometimes it's good to have a manly man. You know, the one who gently pushes you against the wall and kisses you passionately and possessively. Or pins you on the ground after a wrestling match,

But at the same time, he needs to be able to hold you when you cry, and hold your hand when you are scared.

And most of all, he needs to be able to handle when you take charge, and shove him into a chair and the stradle him.

In other words, I don't want a pushover, but I don't want a chauvanistic pig, either. I need a man, you know, with dimensions. Not a stereotype.

So, no, I don't like froofy guys. But I like guys who look decent. I don't like guys who are total slobs, either.

There's no such thing as "Real Men" (or "Real Women").
There are decent people though, and some (some) of the things you said would just go into that category. Standing up for what's right, treating your partner with respect, providing for and protecting your family, passing on knowledge, caring for your children... they're all admirable things, and shouldn't be things encouraged soley in men. Do you not want women to also stand up for what's right, provide for their family, care for their children etc etc?

If we didn't have all these stupid gender roles to live up to, and people just strived to be better people in general, we'd all get a lot further.

Also if people made the most of the positive traits they held, rather than striving for other traits they "should" have. If a man is great with children, is crap at business deals, but gets a more "manly" job to live up expectation, who gains anything from that? If a woman is a fantastic scientific thinker, but is forced to stay at home and clean dishes, we are all only missing out.

Gender roles are not only useless but pretty damn crappy.

Also... why do you only value "masculine" traits? Why are "feminine" traits so awful and to be prevented? You have a very narrow-minded view of things... Some traditionally "masculine" traits such as being arrogant, sexist, aggressive and unable to communicate feelings aren't really so geat. Some traditionally "feminine" traits such as creativeness, empathy, eloquence and being able to communicate with others well are pretty great. There are, of course, good and bad traits with each gender role. As I've said, it'd make far more sense to simply value good traits over bad traits. Of course, that can be kinda subjective, but at least discussion over that would be worthwhile.

(ooo, Godfather 2 is on! my post will be continued later... :p *rushes off*)

*claps his lovely and supersmart girlfriend for a great post* :)

Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard.


They were figments of one's imagination?

Marion Robert Morrison was an actor...in romantic comedies too! :eek:


:D (but mostly :rolleyes: )

I don't want to be a "manly man." The very thought is repulsive.

"Strong" men, with their posturing, their pride, their "strength"... how fake. How disgusting.

Sorry, I'd rather be soft - kind, loving, generous, and compassionate. And I'd rather treat females as actual equals, not as people who I must merely "consult" before making a decision.

May my heart always bleed.
So... you want to be a pitiful worm? A real man does both. If you can't do both you are either a 1)Bastard, or 2) a pitiful worm. If you want to be a pitiful worm, go ahead. I'll just be a real man.

So... you want to be a pitiful worm?

If what I said makes me a "pitiful worm," so be it.

A real man does both.

Does both... what?

So... you want to be a pitiful worm? A real man does both. If you can't do both you are either a 1)Bastard, or 2) a pitiful worm. If you want to be a pitiful worm, go ahead. I'll just be a real man.

Pitiful? Pitied by whom? Men? I think he can live with it, cause females will adore him.

A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind.


The only proper place for a king is with his neck in a noose, swinging under a tree.


Not the metrosexual style men that we have today.


Because if you shower and pull your pants up occasionally, you know what that means... :eek:

The only proper place for a king is with his neck in a noose, swinging under a tree.

Sigged.

What exactly is it about this thread that's made it such a hit?

So... you want to be a pitiful worm? A real man does both. If you can't do both you are either a 1)Bastard, or 2) a pitiful worm. If you want to be a pitiful worm, go ahead. I'll just be a real man.

sure sure, you go be the real man, and when I'm banging the hot chick who digs that I smell nice, look good in a suit, can talk about art and can actually talk about feelings, you'll be watching yet ANOTHER relationship fall apart after the girl walked out on you when you pulled the "hey, I'm the man, what i say goes!" line.

But go be the pitiful worm.

Oh, I'm sorry, I mean "real man".

What exactly is it about this thread that's made it such a hit?

It's a bit like the "I hate feminists" thread we had a while back. Only there's no single buzzword, so people are still arguing definitions.

Pitiful? Pitied by whom? Men? I think he can live with it, cause females will adore him.

I was gunna say, for a bunch of manly men, a very many of my male peers seem to be excessively concerned with impressing other men.

I'm not judging anyone, understand, I just prefer females. That's all. :D

sure sure, you go be the real man, and when I'm banging the hot chick who digs that I smell nice, look good in a suit, can talk about art and can actually talk about feelings, you'll be watching yet ANOTHER relationship fall apart after the girl walked out on you when you pulled the "hey, I'm the man, what i say goes!" line.
It seems to me, that you are every bit opposed to rougher men as Wilgrove is to metrosexuals, if no more so.

I mean really, where does all this hatred come from. Did you get beat up by a farm boy in high school or something?

Personally, there are things about both he-men and metros that I don’t like, but I tolerate and am friends with members of both groups.
It's a bit like the "I hate feminists" thread we had a while back. Only there's no single buzzword, so people are still arguing definitions.
:(

Sigged.

Actually, I only just now noticed an important detail:


A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion


hmmm...oops?

sure sure, you go be the real man, and when I'm banging the hot chick who digs that I smell nice, look good in a suit, can talk about art and can actually talk about feelings, you'll be watching yet ANOTHER relationship fall apart after the girl walked out on you when you pulled the "hey, I'm the man, what i say goes!" line.

But go be the pitiful worm.

Oh, I'm sorry, I mean "real man".

You didn't even read my whole post did you? Typical. I have nothing to say until you read my whole post and get the point thorugh your thick, neandrathol (sp) skull. Or maybe I should point it out again. I hate doing things for idiots.


A REAL MAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO BOTH.
Ahem. By the way, asshole, read the whole post and understand it before you go posting. And, respond to all parts of the post instead of just picking one part that can make someone look bad and respond to that. Only a pitiful worm does that.

I think he can live with it

You think wrong.

But I'm not worried, not about that anyway - I don't think I'm very "pitiful." Meekness and I do not get along.

But I am a bleeding heart - and quite proud of it.

Hmm, you know I don't think its good to admire people who fly off the handle and attack people. Surely there are more diplomatic ways to solve disputes. Then again, I am very slow to anger myself, so I tend to be very level headed. I can't picture myself "kicking ass," lest someone went just a little too far. How far? Well, it hasn't happened so I don't know.

Does my avoidance of violence and conflict make me less of a man? I don't think so. My God, I still have a penis after all! Perhaps if the world had less "men" there would not be so many wars or misunderstandings. A fight does not decide who is right, but who is stronger. What if the guy you're attacking stabs your ass and rapes your lady in front of you to teach you a lesson? Eh, not so good then.

There is a place for fighting, but not whenever you feel someone is wrong. "HEY YOU CAN'T DO THAT! I'M GONNA KICK YOUR ASS," is something that just pisses me off. Do something productive. Don't run about like a raving cowboy.

Also, a relationship should be a partnership where decisions can be made by both people involved. The man has no God-given right to have the final word! What would give him that right? He's bigger, sweatier, and stronger? Hmm, what an archaic way to decide things. "Screw compromise! I'm the man and my word in the end is all that matters!" I, for one, don't mind letting my girlfriend decide what we're going to do sometimes and she lets me pick things other times. No one has a "final authority."

As for the whole, men don't cry thing, men DO cry. I mean, I'm not a damned robot. Do I like crying? No, I don't. I frankly hate it when people see my cry and as such only three people have seen me do so, but to think less of me for having emotions is horrid. If I can't share my feelings or vent with my girlfriend, the relationship is one-sided. I need to get things off my chest too! If that makes me a weak man, well fine, I'm weak. But when I'm not having a fit of rage or a breakdown because I never let anything out while carrying everyone else, I'll be the stronger one.

Men don't have to be brutish oxen with stone hearts and an iron hammer of justice. Men can be people! I'm sick of the stupid cowboys who think just because they're stronger they can tell other people what to do or can just run around assaulting people who are "wrong." I despise the assumption that women need a stong man to support them. Why? Women can stand their own ground just fine without men. Society needs to leave behind this draconian system where the strong man props up a weak woman, who can't make the final decision. We need to have relationships were both people support eachother because everyone can fall down in life and it is always nice to have someone there to help you back up. What isn't nice is when people who are standing just fine are carried or when people are left on the ground out of foolish pride.

I hope this rant made some sense. It's late, after all.

I swear to god I've read that rant word for word before....

I mean really, where does all this hatred come from. Did you get beat up by a farm boy in high school or something?

Personally, there are things about both he-men and metros that I don’t like, but I tolerate and am friends with members of both groups.

:(

I'm not overly fond of he-men. I don't mind those who are actually secure enough to accept the fact that I don't appreciate being patronised, but so far I've only ever met one person who might somewhat fit this category.
All other he-men I met in my life were incarnations of things I despise.

If, by "manly men", you mean "abusive wife-murderers", no, they haven't gone, unfortunately. They've never even left in the first place. So how can you miss them?

It seems to me, that you are every bit opposed to rougher men as Wilgrove is to metrosexuals, if no more so.

I mean really, where does all this hatred come from. Did you get beat up by a farm boy in high school or something?:(

You need to understand it's not about being "rougher", it's about attitude, it's about disposition.

It wasn't so much "me" as "my mother", and not really "beat up" as "emotionally abused" and not a "farm boy" as it was "a phd in neurobiology". I can't change my father, but I can certainly reject the way he lives.

It is incorrect to say I am oppsed to "rougher men", I don't care how rough you are. I am VERY opposed to anyone who not only advocated, but actively celebrates a viewpoint of mysoginy, being closed off emotionally, and gender superiority. It doesn't matter male or female. Nobody should ever view himself OR herself the "king" (or queen) of any home, relationship or marriage. Nobody should ever see himself OR herself as "superior", or "the one who makes the final decisions" or "the one who wears the pants". And nobody should feel uncomfortable telling people they love how they feel, or being emotionally available to the ones they love. It is harmful, not only to that person, but the ones who care for him/her. So yes, I am very opposed to that.

You think wrong.

But I'm not worried, not about that anyway - I don't think I'm very "pitiful." Meekness and I do not get along.

But I am a bleeding heart - and quite proud of it.I love bleeding hearts. They make me horny.

I love bleeding hearts. They make me horny.

....

Oh baby. Ya wanna go back to my room and talk social welfare states?

Gosh it disturbs me to see you, Gaston
Looking so down in the dumps
Ev'ry guy here'd love to be you, Gaston
Even when taking your lumps
There's no man in town as admired as you
You're ev'ryone's favorite guy
Ev'ryone's awed and inspired by you
And it's not very hard to see why
No one's slick as Gaston
No one's quick as Gaston
No one's neck's as incredibly thick as Gaston's
For there's no man in town half as manly
Perfect, a pure paragon!
You can ask any Tom, Dick or Stanley
And they'll tell you whose team they prefer to be on
Lefou and Chorus:
No one's been like Gaston
A king pin like Gaston
LeFou:
No one's got a swell cleft in his chin like Gaston
Gaston:
As a specimen, yes, I'm intimidating!
Lefou and Chorus:
My what a guy, that Gaston!
Give five "hurrahs!"
Give twelve "hip-hips!"
LeFou:
Gaston is the best
And the rest is all drips
Chorus:
No one fights like Gaston
Douses lights like Gaston
LeFou:
In a wrestling match nobody bites like Gaston!
Bimbettes:
For there's no one as burly and brawny
Gaston:
As you see I've got biceps to spare
LeFou:
Not a bit of him's scraggly or scrawny
Gaston:
That's right!
And ev'ry last inch of me's covered with hair
Chorus:
No one hits like Gaston
Matches wits like Gaston
LeFou:
In a spitting match nobody spits like Gaston
Gaston:
I'm espcially good at expectorating!
Ptoooie!
Chorus:
Ten points for Gaston!
Gaston:
When I was a lad I ate four dozen eggs
Ev'ry morning to help me get large
And now that I'm grown I eat five dozen eggs
So I'm roughly the size of a barge!
Chorus:
Oh, ahhh, wow!
My what a guy, that Gaston!
No one shoots like Gaston
Makes those beauts like Gaston
LeFou:
Then goes tromping around wearing boots like Gaston
Gaston:
I use antlers in all of my decorating!
Chorus:
My what a guy,
Gaston!

I love you. Finally, someone who can quote Beauty and the Beast.

I was gunna say, for a bunch of manly men, a very many of my male peers seem to be excessively concerned with impressing other men.

I'm not judging anyone, understand, I just prefer females. That's all. :D
OOKA ook! You will bow down before my hypermasculinity, you vurm, you! Me bash head in else, then sex you vimmen!

It's really true, in almost every way. About two thirds of traditional masculinity is about impressing other men while only about one third of it actually relates to impressing women.

Same thing with conventional femininity. If anything, I'm underestimating the percentages.

....

Oh baby. Ya wanna go back to my room and talk social welfare states?And saving the rain forest? Oooh, I'm getting wet.

i dont think it is posible for a woman to know what she wants so altering your appearance for purpose is pointless.

Oink oink.
I can tell you what I DON'T want. ;)

And saving the rain forest? Oooh, I'm getting wet.

wait until you hear my theories on democratic socialism, you'll have trouble keeping your clothes on.

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer. A good example of this is Dr. Phil, who is basically Oprah's bitch. Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard. A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass! My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still. A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind. A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself. A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family. A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house. A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children. Sorry for getting into a rant, but I believe what I stated above is what a real man is suppose to be. Not the metrosexual style men that we have today. Bring back the old school men!

What do y'all think?

............okay.............*backs away slowly*

*returns*

what does any of that have to do with a man who isn't ashamed to take a shower and match his shoes to his belt?!

No, they're threatened because that beer from the barefooted wifey in the kitchen during Monday Night Football doesn't come as quickly as it did during times of yore.

Well, those women exist.... in the Connecticut hamlet of Stepford....

............okay.............*backs away slowly*

*returns*

what does any of that have to do with a man who isn't ashamed to take a shower and match his shoes to his belt?!

Oh oh!

And why can't we smell good too?!

*just bought orgasmic cologne today*

Oh oh!

And why can't we smell good too?!

*just bought orgasmic cologne today*

you can. I think that I respect a guy more if he is willing to put in some work, you know bathe, wear fcologne, clip his toe nails.......makes me think he likes me enough to take some time to look good, or you know he likes himself enough to take some time to look good........either way it's a good thing.

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer. A good example of this is Dr. Phil, who is basically Oprah's bitch. Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard. A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass! My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still. A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect. I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind. A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself. A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family. A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house. A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children. Sorry for getting into a rant, but I believe what I stated above is what a real man is suppose to be. Not the metrosexual style men that we have today. Bring back the old school men!

What do y'all think?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=metrosexual
^
for reference

Being I am not attracted to men, I could care less really.

Well, I guess by your definition I am a manly man then. I feel like a lumberjack I tell ye.

you can. I think that I respect a guy more if he is willing to put in some work, you know bathe, wear fcologne, clip his toe nails.......makes me think he likes me enough to take some time to look good, or you know he likes himself enough to take some time to look good........either way it's a good thing.

And all this time I thought good hygiene was common sense!

And all this time I thought good hygiene was common sense!

But common sense is stupid... :( :p

And all this time I thought good hygiene was common sense!

Who needs good hygiene? It is overated if you ask me. :)

Cologne is overrated.

Tends to make me nauseous. And if I'm all nice and clean, people usually seem to think I smell nice anyway, which is much better than how they react if I'm yarfing in the corner.

These studies: have any proof of their existance?

I read about one in FUBAR by Sam Seder and some other guy.

They gave a bunch of guys a questionaire to determine which of them were homophobic and which were not particularly so. Then they were all asked to watch 3 different pornographic film scenes:
One girl on girl.
One man on girl.
One man on man.

Both groups of men were hooked up to a machine that measured when their penises got harder and by how much. They were also asked to report which of the scenes turned them on.

The non homophobe group were turned on by the first two scenes, accuratly reported whether or not the third scene turned them on, and they were turned on in lower numbers. 80% of the homophobe group were as aroused by the third scene as the other two scenes, but failed to report as such. Much like when straight women watch any type of porn and say that they're not turned on, even though they are becoming lubricated.

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer.
My bf isn't like that at all. The man doesn't own a brush, let alone a hair dryer. Although he was discussing hair with another guy at a party last night. hmm....

A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass!
There's something wrong with discussing what the person did wrong in a civil manner?

I like some men the way they are now. If a guy told me he expected me to quit whatever job I had and become a full time wife and mother at some point, I'd kick his ass (or dump it, whichever).

Meh Manly men are simple twats who think with their wangs. Why on earth would anyone wnat to perpetuate such a stereotype>

In any case, metrosexual requires more skill to pull off.
Coming from the man with a hair staightener.:rolleyes:

This seems to be a general trend on this board, particularly from self-professed feminists: Why do so many want emasculated men? If you are actually homosexual, you have your own thing going that (after having the pleasure of rooming with one last year) confuses me sometime, but hey, what ever. Masculinity does not necessarily mean "Stereotypical outlaw biker-type who poses all day," and is not a bad thing, yet seems to be criticized as such by most every women here. Why? What is wrong with a man who is genuinely confident in their masculinity?
I don't care if a guy is "masculine" or not.
It's trying to force every guy to follow set rules of what makes someone a "real man". It's the whole bullshit idea of "masculinity".

If you happen to have positive "masculine" traits, good for you.
But that doesn't make you any better than anyone else, and doesn't give you the right to label other men as "not real men".
i dont think it is posible for a woman to know what she wants so altering your appearance for purpose is pointless.
until you've altered your attitudes towards women, no, there isn't any point in changing your appearance...

sure sure, you go be the real man, and when I'm banging the hot chick who digs that I smell nice, look good in a suit, can talk about art and can actually talk about feelings, you'll be watching yet ANOTHER relationship fall apart after the girl walked out on you when you pulled the "hey, I'm the man, what i say goes!" line.

But go be the pitiful worm.

Oh, I'm sorry, I mean "real man".
...that really shows your honourable, gentlemanly attitudes. I'm hoping you're just ironically using terms he might use - if not, all your talk about "real men" is just a pretense to get laid, and therefore kinda meaningless.

Cologne is overrated.

Tends to make me nauseous. And if I'm all nice and clean, people usually seem to think I smell nice anyway, which is much better than how they react if I'm yarfing in the corner.

*doesn't wear or like cologne either*

Here's an idea -- what's say we all act how we wish and leave the generalization to people who need boxes to put people into so that they don't have to invest any time thinking.

Not all of A is B and not all of B is A.

So-called "metrosexuals" likely didn't even coin the term, and are more than likely the kids you saw in school who dressed well already. If you get used to looking good at school, you'll probably continue to do so in adulthood.

So-called "manly men" aren't all assholes, either. The only way these kinds of generallizations sprout up is from the fallow intellects of those who've never been much of anywhere or met much of anyone.

Take everyone as they come, people -- it's the only way not to make the mistake of shoe-horning someone into a role YOU are comfortable imagining as opposed to taking the time to find out what someone's actually like. Trust me -- assholes take little time to reveal themselves, and good people are worth the search.

Cologne is overrated.

Tends to make me nauseous. And if I'm all nice and clean, people usually seem to think I smell nice anyway, which is much better than how they react if I'm yarfing in the corner.

Amen.

It makes me wanna hworph in a basin when I walk into a room of "guys" (which are to men what "chicks" are to women) and the Drakkar Noir or Tag or Axe or whatever the hell they think will get them laid is so thick, you actually walk slower through that room. When I think of the money wasted on artificial attractants, it makes me both laugh and weep.

Cabra, just look at the men who star in movies targeted to men vs the men who star in movies targeted to women.

Arnold? Men's movies.
Sylvester Stallone? Men's movies.
"The Rock" and other professional wrestlers would only be seen in movies targeted to men.
If a guy is described as "kick-***," like Samuel L. Jackson, Jackie Chan, John Wayne, or that quintessential hardcore ***-kicker, Bruce Lee... are you expecting to see him in a movie marketed to women?

Hypermasculinity is something that men mostly admire, not women.

That doesn't exactly make it less homoerotic.

Amen.

It makes me wanna hworph in a basin when I walk into a room of "guys" (which are to men what "chicks" are to women) and the Drakkar Noir or Tag or Axe or whatever the hell they think will get them laid is so thick, you actually walk slower through that room. When I think of the money wasted on artificial attractants, it makes me both laugh and weep.

I don't know about other women, but a nice man-perfume can make me go weak at the knees. ;)

*doesn't wear or like cologne either*

urgh no, me neither. i only just started using anti-perspirent with a scent only because i got sick of the mess of a roll-on. although all my friends insist that i'm silly and that scent is as attractive for girls as it might be for guys. personally i've only come across two types of perfume i'm aware of that don't make me gag and that's maybe only because of the people wearing them.

edit: i have now learned two great new words for hurling, thank you :) i especially liked 'hworphing', very expressive :)

Manliness is simply doing what needs to be done as a priority. That can include hauling steel bars out to a worksite AND holding your girlfriend/wife while she needs it. In the same timeframe. The metrosexual-unmanly thing stems almost certainly from the idea that spending hours on how you look is a waste of time, when a good suit and a sharp haircut will do the trick in about twenty minutes.

I don't know about other women, but a nice man-perfume can make me go weak at the knees. ;)

Which is the point -- we're all different and have different reactions to aspects of the personage of our objets desir. I like some female perfumes, too. The problem comes with injudicious use of the stuff, as if somehow swimming in it and infecting the whole building is better than a subtle approach.

*shnip*
edit: i have now learned two great new words for hurling, thank you :) i especially liked 'hworphing', very expressive :)

My pleasure. I love a good neologism, and onomatopoeias are a favorite.

Manliness is simply doing what needs to be done as a priority. That can include hauling steel bars out to a worksite AND holding your girlfriend/wife while she needs it. In the same timeframe. The metrosexual-unmanly thing stems almost certainly from the idea that spending hours on how you look is a waste of time, when a good suit and a sharp haircut will do the trick in about twenty minutes.

Exactly. Thanks for the clarity.

...that really shows your honourable, gentlemanly attitudes. I'm hoping you're just ironically using terms he might use - if not, all your talk about "real men" is just a pretense to get laid, and therefore kinda meaningless.

It was...though I admit that might be as clear as I wanted it to be.

Though...in fairness..she is pretty hot.

Cologne is overrated.

Tends to make me nauseous. And if I'm all nice and clean, people usually seem to think I smell nice anyway, which is much better than how they react if I'm yarfing in the corner.

Pfft.

My bf isn't like that at all. The man doesn't own a brush, let alone a hair dryer.
Am I dating you?

Am I dating you?

I sympathise with you, Cannot think of a name. I also often have short term memory problems.

Well I don't miss any kind of men. I'm not wired that way.

Am I dating you?
Do you eat meat? If so, then no.

Nowadays we have men who are umm well, let's face it, metrosexual. They are very "emotional" and they spend equal amount of time in the bathroom as the women or longer. A good example of this is Dr. Phil, who is basically Oprah's bitch. Whatever happen to the manly men? Whatever happen to men like John Wayne, and Brawny man before cooperations decided to make him shave off his beard.

If you think "manliness" is on a continuum from John Wayne to Dr. Phil, then I'm glad I don't live in your reality. *Shudder* Both ends of that spectrum are dull as hell.


A man is suppose to be strong, not only physically, but mentally, spiritually, in morals and in values. A man is suppose to stand up for what's right, and if he sees or knows another guy is doing something wrong, then he should kick some ass!

An adult person should be strong in the way you describe. Part of that strength is recognizing that violence is rarely the most effective means of dealing with the complex conflicts that adults deal with. Little boys who think with their fists are dull.


My grandpa was one of those men, he actually beaten up a guy because the guy hit his wife. Of course the wife started hitting grandpa with her purse, but still.

Better Living Through Hitting Things!

Sure, that sort of thing is funny, and I like to stop and giggle at people who walk around bashing one another, but it does get old after a while.

A man is suppose to be the head of the household, however he should not dominate, he is suppose to treat his wife as an equal partner and with respect.

If she's his equal partner, he's not the "head" any more than she is. If he's the head of the household, then he shouldn't bullshit around about how she's his "equal." He should at least have the dignity to admit that he's in an unequal relationship.


I know I contradict myself, but let me explain. A king is the head of his kingdom, however he does consult the queen and ask for his opinion, however, at the end of the day, he should make an inform decision that him and his wife/queen can stand behind.

Right. So not equals. Unless she is equally empowered to make decisions, they're not equals. Have the spine to admit what you advocate.


A Man is suppose to do right by God, by country, by family, by friend and then by himself.

Any grown adult who ranks superstition as more important than the well-being of their family or themselves is a person who I wouldn't trust to clean my bathroom.


A man is a protector, a provider, and is willing to do anything (as long as it's legal) to provide for his family.

Again, these are good qualities for any person, male or female, to have. I don't see why you think it is only good for men to be this way. Why would it be a bad thing for women to protect and provide for their families?


A man shouldn't be afraid to shoot another guy to protect his family, after all his family should come first, not some punk ass trying to break into his house.

A man should experience whatever emotions come naturally to him, and shouldn't worry about whether or not feeling scared means he's not a Real Man(tm). Fear is a normal, healthy emotion. Guys who think that being a Real Man(tm) means never being scared (or never crying, or never being tender) need to go back and play on the jungle gym for a few years until they grow up a little more.

As for being willing to shoot people in self-defense, again I fail to see why this is a quality that only men should have. Should women be unwilling to defend themselves or their families?


A real man also pass down his knoweldge, morals, values, and his way of life down to his children. A man is suppose to do right by his children. Sorry for getting into a rant, but I believe what I stated above is what a real man is suppose to be. Not the metrosexual style men that we have today. Bring back the old school men!

You've not provided a single example of a quality that Manly Men possess but "metrosexuals" do not. It mostly just seems like you're very anxious about your own gender identity, and you're upset that nobody else really gives a shit about your standards for manliness.

I love you. Finally, someone who can quote Beauty and the Beast.

It was just so perfect for the situation! :)


............okay.............*backs away slowly*

*returns*

what does any of that have to do with a man who isn't ashamed to take a shower and match his shoes to his belt?!

Matching is for queers.

I thought sport cars were penis extensions.

No if a guy has a car that is WAY bigger then what he needs, thats a Penis extension.

Im a Average guy im neither Metrosexual or 'manly men' the problem with you people is you think thats all there is.

I know when to be Confident and when to cower, when to Speak and when to Listen. i class myself as a 'Modern Gentlemen' and i take this title (originally given to me by my ex) with great esteem.

I know when to be Confident and when to cower, when to Speak and when to Listen. i class myself as a 'Modern Gentlemen' and i take this title (originally given to me by my ex) with great esteem.

Keen. I'll stick to opening root beer bottles with my eyesocket.

Hay i wont force my Opinion, you go on doing whatever you like.

i class myself as a 'Modern Gentlemen' and i take this title (originally given to me by my ex) with great esteem.

Do you still get to fight duels and shit?