NationStates Jolt Archive

I've kind of felt that we can't leave Iraq because if we do it will fall into a pit of civil war and killing, until years later, someone comes out on top and makes a new dictatorship. Some people say that the insurgency will lose steam if we leave right away. What do you think?

Slow standdown is the best bet for Iraq right now.

Slow standdown is the best bet for Iraq right now.Yeps. a slow and quiet standdown.... they never know you left!

I've kind of felt that we can't leave Iraq because if we do it will fall into a pit of civil war and killing, until years later, someone comes out on top and makes a new dictatorship. Some people say that the insurgency will lose steam if we leave right away. What do you think?
All troops out 6 months to one year.

An immediate pullout is a bad idea, what we should do is focus on getting the Iraqi gov't on its feet then gradually leave, making sure they can handle their newfound power.

We need to rebuild the country that we messed up invading. Once we do that we need to leave Iraq. We can not prop them up forever. The sectarian violence is something that only the Iraqis themselves are going to be able to solve anyway.

Yeps. a slow and quiet standdown.... they never know you left!

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HeheheheheI'm trying my darnest to discuss here...

Some sort of phased withdrawel, with a definite deadline.

I agree..
Even after the removal of troops from Iraq, because of the different groups (For want of a better word), there is still going to be conflict.. And like Utracia said, The violence is going to last until they work it out..

We can not change a country that we have no idea about.. So, yes, allow it to become more stable, (Which might also come from troops leaving) and get out of there, then leave Iraq alone to it's own devices. They aren't children who can't take care of themselves.. It is not like they need our help to run their country. They have a different way.. Democracy doesn't have to be the governing ideaology in every country in the world just because it is in the places where people have the most power.

pulling out now would be . . . premature.

I wonder what our allies would think about us pulling out now. I wonder how this might affect our relations with other nations to get involved with any necessary military engagements in the future. There's a few things to think about here.

Something on the order of a well managed golf tournement should be held to decide the matter.:)

pulling out now would be . . . premature.

yeah, but you don't want to get her pregnant.

just give her a pearl necklace and lie about calling her in the morning.

yar, near future definite withdrawal....US forces need to be directed toward securing the homeland, not in some masturbatory nation-building ""anti-terrorism"" fantasy.

the sad truth, as I see it, is that a nation such as Iraq, which has several ethnic-religious groups in competing for power, territory, and the upper-hand in future ethnic cleansing must be ruled by an iron fist dictatorship such as what Hussein had.

As 'democracy' is now the enforced regime, I do not believe they will ever have political sovereignty and peace/stability at the same time.
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I think, that considering the reputation the United States has in that area of the world(deserved or not), we're just a political irritant. If they need the aid of external security forces, I think they should get it from nations Iraqis will trust. *nod*

Right now, shared hatred of US occupation is keeping the Sunni-Shit'e level violence to local militia and skirmishes.

If every US serviceperson (see? I used the gender-neutral PC term) was to board an aircraft or ship out of Iraq tomorrow, there'd probably be a brief civil war since neither side has the logistical or monetary means to substain a long war.

The Iraqi parties probably divide Iraq into 2 or more zones. Sunni and Shit'e will fight like hell and high water to keep the Kurds running off with their own zone.

Taliban-esque Fundamentalists don't stand a chance of suceeding in Iraq. Simply because ordinary Iraqi are armed and willing to fight to defend what freedom (a frequently-abused term) they have. People with satellite TV, phones, running water and a few good things don't go fundamentalist just for the heck of it.

Of course, I cannot back of this up with numbers or sources. So its all IMHO.