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America as ‘The Knight in Shining Armour’?

Brickistan
10-11-2006, 08:19
This post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11926530&postcount=25) from Draiygen got me thinking. It is said, amongst many other things, that:

“If America Runs from Iraq why should anyone trust us to be their knight in shining armor?”

Has the Americans ever stopped and wondered: “gee, I wonder if the Iraqis really want us to ‘liberate’ them?”. Or: “hmm, I wonder what the Vietnamese really thought of our involvement?”.
It seems to me, from discussing politics on various forums,, that many Americans have this peculiar outlook on the world. America is ‘The Greatest Nation On Earth’, and everybody should be thankful when the marines storm ashore. And of course, ‘The American Way’ is the one and only way…

It sometimes feels, to me at least, that this notion is so prevalent that no-one ever questions it. No-one ever wonders if what America do is the right thing.


Draiygen also said that:

“The rest of the world does not play the game of diplomacy the way we do. Few countries do their international affairs with the same forthright honesty as the US”

That much is true. If America wants you dead, you’ll know it. But is this not the complete opposite of what diplomacy should be? Diplomacy is about solving your problems by discussing them peacefully. The American way of ‘diplomacy’ seems to be “do as we say, or your country gets flattened!”. That, in my own personal opinion, is not diplomacy – it’s simple and brutal domination by force.
Again, has the Americans ever wondered: “perhaps it would be better if we sat down and talked about it?”.


Where does this attitude come from? Is it truly as prevalent as the forums, and the real-life US politics, would suggest?
Cannot think of a name
10-11-2006, 08:22
This is a bit like trying to paint a portrait from a caricature.
South Lizasauria
10-11-2006, 08:25
I live in the US and we also seem to be dillusional in that we think EVERYONE is like us. I mean whenever a somewhat weird and perverted person comes along in America the onlooker says "There are alot of sick people in this world" when indeed stuff like that outside the US is rare. The people of the US refer to North America as "this world" and other countries as "some place". So its no wonder the whole night in shining armor started.
Soviestan
10-11-2006, 08:30
I dont quite understand this post, mainly because I'm in great need of sleep. Anyone care to sum up this seemingly rambling post?
Brickistan
10-11-2006, 08:38
I dont quite understand this post, mainly because I'm in great need of sleep. Anyone care to sum up this seemingly rambling post?

I'm not sure there really is a meaning with this. Driygen's post just got me wondering about his, and perhaps Americans in general, attitude in regards to the rest of the world.

It's just me being curious...
NERVUN
10-11-2006, 13:00
It's part of the cultural mythos that came from WWII and the cold war when we WERE the knight in shining armor.

And part of it is also the mythos of assuming that everyone wants to be like us.

It's just being the strongest right now, and knowing that as much as everyone complains about it, they also seem to be really interested in America as well.
Laerod
10-11-2006, 13:14
I'm not sure there really is a meaning with this. Driygen's post just got me wondering about his, and perhaps Americans in general, attitude in regards to the rest of the world.

It's just me being curious...Driygen seems a bit deluded, considering s/he referred to American foreign policy as "forthright" and "honest". The Iraq debacle shows how this is not the case.
Delator
10-11-2006, 13:43
Where does this attitude come from? Is it truly as prevalent as the forums, and the real-life US politics, would suggest?

I can't speak for others, but I am an isolationist in damn near everything except trade...in which case I'm all for the "free" style of said trade.

I'd prefer we stop sticking our nose where it isn't wanted. If people want to trade with us, great, if not, fine...

It's not like there's many nations that can get along without the mutual benefit of trade with the worlds largest economy...let's do what we do best and be hermit uber-capitalists...the world will thank us one day. ;)