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Nick Pope the UK Ex-Ministry of Defense Chief says "Aliens could attack anytime (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=415514&in_page_id=1770)". Pope also says "highly credible" sightings are simply dismissed. Pope also states that Brittain is virtually "wide open" to an Alien attack.

Forget the Aliens. The Zombies already have assembled armies...They only await a master.

Nick Pope the UK Ex-Ministry of Defense

He really used to be the MoD on his own?

That's pretty fucking impressive, they employ hundreds of people these days. Another sign of bureaucratic ballooning under Labour...

Forget the Aliens. The Zombies already have assembled armies...They only await a master.

Nay, your intel is thin, I hold them at bay with my will alone, they wait in darkness, with naught but my word restraining them!

Fortunately I like the Brits...for now...

Nick Pope the UK Ex-Ministry of Defense says "Aliens could attack anytime (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=415514&in_page_id=1770)". Pope also says "highly credible" sightings are simply dismissed. Pope also states that Brittain is virtually "wide open" to an Alien attack.
*Points and laughs at Britain*

Ahh-ha-ha! Ahh-ha-ha!

*moves to australia*

*Dies of a botched anal probing* :(

Sounds like someone has been watching signs *kills dog with fork and spits on skateboards*

He really used to be the MoD on his own?

That's pretty fucking impressive, they employ hundreds of people these days. Another sign of bureaucratic ballooning under Labour...

Sorry I left out MoD Chief.

Forget the Aliens. The Zombies already have assembled armies...They only await a master.

I shall be their master. Muhuwahahaha!!!!11 :eek:

I shall be their master. Muhuwahahaha!!!!11 :eek:

Might want to check the pay scale and benefits package first. I have the feeling that zombie armies have crap all for medical and dental coverage.

Sorry I left out MoD Chief.

I thought as much :p

I have the feeling that zombie armies have crap all for medical and dental coverage.

Only the non-union ones.

and I for once welcome our new supreme overlord!

Only the non-union ones.

I thought they were all non-union? And how does a zombie pay union dues?

First you have to ask ones self. What the hell would aliens want with Earth? There has to be much better planets that haven't been overrun by humans out there. I am sure if they are coming here they are only here as a tourist stop. I would think they would have already taken over if they really wanted to.

I thought as much :p

Well some people are very good at multi-tasking.

I would think they would have already taken over if they really wanted to.

Maybe they do not want to be entangled in a planetary occupation (http://youtube.com/watch?v=g6skfbT42lU) without an exit strategy.

Well, this is certainly different than a creationist thread . . .

You know Regan once made a more veiled reference to something like this saying something a long the lines of that a threat from out side might be what it would take to unite the world. Reminds me of the Watchmen:D

Damnit they know I'm here.

Here are some helpful pages explaining what SPACEWARS would really be like:
Space War: Introduction (http://projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3t.html)
Space War: Detection (http://projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3w.html)
Space War: Weapons (http://projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3x.html)
Space War: Defenses (http://projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3y.html)
Space War: Strategy and Tactics (http://projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3z.html)

"There Ain't No Stealth In Space" so if there were an enemy ship we'd see it long before it got anywhere near us, giving us plenty of time to send a friendly hello and run out the long nines.

"There Ain't No Stealth In Space" so if there were an enemy ship we'd see it long before it got anywhere near us, giving us plenty of time to send a friendly hello and run out the long nines.]

Of course there is. Space is just too damned big for anyone to be able to watch all parts of it. Look at the recent flybys of fairly massive chunks of spacegoing debris that they didn't know were there until they were near or within lunar orbit. We'd only see a ship, which unless it happens to be the size of a small moon, is goona be too small for pretty much any optical or radiotelesopes to detect easily, if we happened to be looking directly at it for sometime.

You know Regan once made a more veiled reference to something like this saying something a long the lines of that a threat from out side might be what it would take to unite the world. Reminds me of the Watchmen:D

I remember watching that on tv and thinking to myself "What the hell is he talking about". Thought that maybe he knew something that we didn't.

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Of course there is. Space is just too damned big for anyone to be able to watch all parts of it. Look at the recent flybys of fairly massive chunks of spacegoing debris that they didn't know were there until they were near or within lunar orbit. We'd only see a ship, which unless it happens to be the size of a small moon, is goona be too small for pretty much any optical or radiotelesopes to detect easily, if we happened to be looking directly at it for sometime.
Uh no, there isn't. There really isn't. You'd need some sort of near infinite heat dump to avoid detection from the heat emitted from the cabin of your ship. This could be done with an artificial black hole but it'd need to be more massive as the moon or more or it'd blow up with the force of a few megatons in a fraction of a second. If you radiated everything toward the aft of the ship in a 30-60 degree cone it'd look like you were covering up a dim star that appeared out of nowhere. Cloaking armor only works on a specific wavelength so if you don't know exactly what wavelength your enemies' sensors operate at it'll be useless.

Orbital ships are huge things that require days to months of preperation before launch. Getting to the moon and back took the sacrifice of a sky-scrapers worth of fuel and a mansions worth of equipment. We've ruled out other intelligent life in our own system so it'd need to come from another and the closest one is over 74,000 years away at 17.46 km/s, which just so happens to be the velocity of the fastest man-made object, the Voyager 1 probe.

Space travel is a lot harder than you think. Space war is even harder.

Uh no, there isn't. There really isn't. You'd need some sort of near infinite heat dump to avoid detection from the heat emitted from the cabin of your ship. This could be done with an artificial black hole but it'd need to be more massive as the moon or more or it'd blow up with the force of a few megatons in a fraction of a second. If you radiated everything toward the aft of the ship in a 30-60 degree cone it'd look like you were covering up a dim star that appeared out of nowhere. Cloaking armor only works on a specific wavelength so if you don't know exactly what wavelength your enemies' sensors operate at it'll be useless.

Orbital ships are huge things that require days to months of preperation before launch. Getting to the moon and back took the sacrifice of a sky-scrapers worth of fuel and a mansions worth of equipment. We've ruled out other intelligent life in our own system so it'd need to come from another and the closest one is over 74,000 years away at 17.46 km/s, which just so happens to be the velocity of the fastest man-made object, the Voyager 1 probe.

Space travel is a lot harder than you think. Space war is even harder.
Presuming they got here in the first place means that they've figured out a bunch of crap that we haven't, so it would stand to reason that there is a bunch of other crap that we haven't figured out. At best you've proven that we couldn't sneak up on us.

Forget the Aliens. The Zombies already have assembled armies...They only await a master.

aye. the Zombies are ready to attack.....on my command*evil laugh*

Presuming they got here in the first place means that they've figured out a bunch of crap that we haven't, so it would stand to reason that there is a bunch of other crap that we haven't figured out. At best you've proven that we couldn't sneak up on us.
*sigh* The laws of physics have to apply to everyone and everything everywhere and at all times. There is no evidence yet of inetelligent life existing anywhere in the universe except here. Does it exist? The universe is a big place so chances are that life does exist elsewhere and that somewhere the is life is intelligent. But it's not likely for it to be right next door. What is likely is that life is a rare thing and live systems or even stray worlds are spaced pretty far apart. That means that for us to get from here to there or for them to get from there to here would be technically impossible unless one of us had an FTL drive of some kind.

Faster Than Light (http://projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3v.html)

Slower than light, while following all the laws of physics, takes a really damn long time. We're talking thousands to millions of years and unbelieveable mass ratios even with the most advanced nuclear engines. Even anti-matter can't make it practical becaus of the huge amounts of power require to manufacture even the smallest amounts of the substance.

Slower Than Light (http://projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3aj.html)

And as for size, let's not forget all the tings that will be needed on a ship. The engines and fuel storage will take up the most space, in fact everything else will pretty much be tacked on to those 2 key components. Then there's the cabin, the food stores, the food production, the sheilding, the raw material stores, communications and astrogation, exploratory equipment like sensors and probes, landing craft--the list goes on and on and on. And that's just the bare minimum, who knows what else a totally alien race might need in addition to all that.

Oh, and if you think it will be a flying saucer, think again. The engines alone would look something like this:
http://www.bisbos.com/rocketscience/spacecraft/daedalus/images/daedalus_departs1l.jpg
Only they'd be bigger. Now add everything else I mentioned and flying saucers that change in outward appearance every few years to look more stylish suddenly sound like a ridiculous design for a starcraft of any kind.

First you have to ask ones self. What the hell would aliens want with Earth? There has to be much better planets that haven't been overrun by humans out there. I am sure if they are coming here they are only here as a tourist stop. I would think they would have already taken over if they really wanted to.

http://www.neophilia.de/onlinehome/calvin/intelligent_life.gif

I have a book of his...complete and utter bull.

Alien invasion? Hah!

We are already among you...

...I mean...

THEY are already among you.

<_<

>_>

:)

*sigh*

Oh sigh yourself, big guy. At one point our understanding of the laws of physics didn't allow for flight. So presuming that they got here they figured a bunch of things out that we haven't. So all of your stuff then becomes moot. Chances are if they exist they aren't going to do things the way we do for a variety of reasons. All your still proving is that a)you are way too uptight for this discussion and still b)we can't sneak up on ourselves.

Oh sigh yourself, big guy. At one point our understanding of the laws of physics didn't allow for flight. So assuming that they got here they figured a bunch of things out that we haven't. So all of your stuff then becomes moot. Chances are if they exist they aren't going to do things the way we do for a variety of reasons. All your still proving is that a)you are way too uptight for this discussion and still b)we can't sneak up on ourselves. Corrected.
There was never anything at any time in physics that said flight was impossible. How do I know this? Because flight has always been observed whenever you look up at birds. Therefore no scientist would ever say that flight is impossible unless they were blind.

You can't just assume things like this.

If they exist, they will look very different from us but they will still need to obey fundamental laws of physics. Power doesn't come from nowhere and energy has to be moving for work to be done. That means waste heat. Which needs to be disposed of somehow. Radiating through a ships hull and some little fins on an RTG are enough for something like the shuttle and some Russian rockets but not for reactors and gonzo huge engines required for interstellar travel. There is very little matter in the vacuum of space so the only way to move forward is to expel matter and energy in the opposite direction. There are theoretical ways of bending space as a means of propulsion but there isn't any technology to do what's required to achieve the needed effects. And you can't just assume that someone else will have figured out a way. At best I have proven that there is no stealth in space unless you know how exactly your enemies sensors work, that interstellar travel is very long and difficult, and that STL (the only kind until you can show me an FTL) interstellar ships would need to be pretty damn big and would not look saucer-shaped.

If you have an opinion, back it up with facts, not assumptions. Reason not conjecture.

Dosuun, you realize that you have not refuted a single thing anyone has said?

Fact: Space is BIG. Spotting even an asteroid sized object entering our system is damned near impossible. And SpaceWatch can only cover a small portion of the sky at a time. And seeing as they are looking for comets and 'roids, the odds of them spotting an artificial object are even smaller.

Fact: Assuming an alien race were to show up within our system, it would be obvious that they know something concerning intergalactic travel that we don't. Even if they are using something like a generational ship. They are still way the hell ahead of current technology on this planet.

Fact: One skeptics website does not an argument make. You do know that there are quite a few scientists, of sound mind yet, who are currently researching ways around the lightspeed issue. They seem to think it is a possibility. Your skeptic needs to pay attention to current research.

Fact: As of yet, no one knows what long term space travel is like, nor do we have anything beyond the theoretical what combat between spacegoing vessels would be like. Its all theory, which means it could all be completely wrong. Until someone starts building combat spacecraft, it remains a theory too.

A century ago, scientist claimed than the human body could not withstand velocities greater than 60 mph. Two hundred years ago they said no heavier then air vehicle could be built. A millenia ago, they believed that the Earth was flat. They were limited by what they knew and understood about physical laws, as they were known at the time. Who's to say that in another few years, or decades, research will find that Einstein was missing something in his theories. whos' to say that in 50 years, they'll discover that our current perception of the Laws of Physics are so limited as to be utterly wrong.

It just may be, that a century from now, one of your decendants will step out of the airlock on their FTL-capable starship down onto the surface of a planet on the other side of the galaxy.

A century ago, scientist claimed than the human body could not withstand velocities greater than 60 mph. Two hundred years ago they said no heavier then air vehicle could be built. A millenia ago, they believed that the Earth was flat. They were limited by what they knew and understood about physical laws, as they were known at the time. Who's to say that in another few years, or decades, research will find that Einstein was missing something in his theories. whos' to say that in 50 years, they'll discover that our current perception of the Laws of Physics are so limited as to be utterly wrong.
This is a quible, but i just wanted to point out that that is a bit of a misconception
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Eratosthenes, however, had already calculated that the earth was a sphere as well as its rough circumference by the third century B.C. [3]

By the time of Pliny the Elder in the 1st century, however, the Earth's spherical shape was generally acknowledged among the learned in the western world. Around then Ptolemy derived his maps from a curved globe and developed the system of latitude, longitude, and climes. His writings remained the basis of European astronomy throughout the Middle Ages, although Late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages (ca. 3rd to 7th centuries) saw occasional arguments in favor of a flat Earth. The modern misconception that people of the Middle Ages believed that the Earth was flat first entered the popular imagination in the nineteenth century." WIKI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_earth)

If you have an opinion, back it up with facts, not assumptions. Reason not conjecture.

Wow. You don't ask for much, do you? :p

Short of dragging an extraterrestrial into your house in a burlap sack, all that exists is assumptions and conjecture. Or as many scientists like to call it: theory. Or speculation(which is theory lite).

Your own assumption, however, that nothing can be done unles we can do it is not exactly on stable ground either. Afterall, considering the size of the universe, the chances of us being the only intelligent life, or even the first is vanishingly small. Chances are at least even-up that there have been thousands of civilizations that have come and gone in the 14 or 15 billion years the universe has existed. *nod*

This is a quible, but i just wanted to point out that that is a bit of a misconception

WIKI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_earth)

Interesting stuff. Gracias Psyker, I stand corrected.

Though I am a bit puzzled about the longitude aspect of that. That article, and others I glanced at say that Ptolemy marked out longitude on a spherical map, yet another item I found says that longitude wasn't figured out until the 1700s'.

Interesting stuff. Gracias Psyker, I stand corrected.

Though I am a bit puzzled about the longitude aspect of that. That article, and others I glanced at say that Ptolemy marked out longitude on a spherical map, yet another item I found says that longitude wasn't figured out until the 1700s'.

It could be that they are talking about an instrument that could measure longitude for use on ships and such, I seem to rember that being one of the one of teh more complicated problems for navagating for sea travel for a period of time, it wouldn't however prevent the application of longitude to a map(edit: apparently that was a problem too, it could be that ptolomy cam eup with the concept since it says that he applied a 0 longitude mark to his world map, yeah going back it looks like he established the first mark and thaat the problem was figuring out the rest from there). That's just a guess though.

Makes sense to me.

Thank you, oh learned Sensei. You are truly a fount of knowledge, and I am grateful that you allow me to sip from your waters. :cool:
















Now that I think of it, that sounded kind of obscene, didn't?

Makes sense to me.

Thank you, oh learned Sensei. You are truly a fount of knowledge, and I am grateful that you allow me to sip from your waters. :cool:
















Now that I think of it, that sounded kind of obscene, didn't?


Pleasantly so. :)

I very much doubt there would be much we could do to defend ourselves against any alien form of life intelligent enough to get here in the first place. I say we sacrifice somewhere irrelevant to them, such as Australia, and hope that it appeases them.

I very much doubt there would be much we could do to defend ourselves against any alien form of life intelligent enough to get here in the first place. I say we sacrifice somewhere irrelevant to them, such as Australia, and hope that it appeases them.

Sounds good to me, afterall, it isn't like anyone is actually using it! Though I will miss those koala bears...... Cuddly little bastards. And good with a Cabernet.

http://turtledove.wikia.com/wiki/Colonization_Fleet

Yes, fiction. But good fiction.

Wow. You don't ask for much, do you? :p

Short of dragging an extraterrestrial into your house in a burlap sack, all that exists is assumptions and conjecture. Or as many scientists like to call it: theory. Or speculation(which is theory lite).

Your own assumption, however, that nothing can be done unles we can do it is not exactly on stable ground either. Afterall, considering the size of the universe, the chances of us being the only intelligent life, or even the first is vanishingly small. Chances are at least even-up that there have been thousands of civilizations that have come and gone in the 14 or 15 billion years the universe has existed. *nod*
Does alien life exist elsewhere? The universe is big enough to allow for life elsewhere but there is no proof of that life. Probability is not the same as fact. Probability is what likely is, fact is what is. And that's just for life. Do you know how long it took for us to go from a carpet of mold to the dominant lifeform on this planet?

Also, life could not have existed during the first few billion years of the universe because heavier elements weren't present in sufficient quantities. Yes, to get life on a planet you need stars to go boom and wipe out an entire system several times before you can get enough of what you need for life. That means that life can only go back 5-8(maybe 10) billion years. Anything before that and we're just talking about inanimate lumps of carbon or anything lighter.

Theory in science has some evidence supporting it. The idea that there is life elsewhere is an untested hypothesis. How do we test it? By flying out into the void and looking for it.

Fact: Space is BIG. Spotting even an asteroid sized object entering our system is damned near impossible. And SpaceWatch can only cover a small portion of the sky at a time. And seeing as they are looking for comets and 'roids, the odds of them spotting an artificial object are even smaller.
You don't really understand this do you? There is a world of difference between a hot ship that's either about 300 K all around and a 3-4 k lump of rock covered in light absorbing dust. There ain't no stealth in space with current technology, future detection tech will probably be better.

Fact: Assuming an alien race were to show up within our system, it would be obvious that they know something concerning intergalactic travel that we don't. Even if they are using something like a generational ship. They are still way the hell ahead of current technology on this planet.
There's that word again. Assumptions are not facts. No aliens have shown up within our system, and if they did it would not be in a flying saucer incapable of traversing the distance bewteen Earth and the moon.

Fact: One skeptics website does not an argument make. You do know that there are quite a few scientists, of sound mind yet, who are currently researching ways around the lightspeed issue. They seem to think it is a possibility. Your skeptic needs to pay attention to current research.
He does and so do I. There are several listed for those writers who insist on having an FTL, among them is Dr. Miguel Alcubierre's "Warp Drive" and Chris Van Den Broeck's improvement, along with many more plausible and not so plausible drives. No one has yet made a working model of any. And it's not just one skeptics site, it's the science backing it up that paints the bleak picture.

Fact: As of yet, no one knows what long term space travel is like, nor do we have anything beyond the theoretical what combat between spacegoing vessels would be like. Its all theory, which means it could all be completely wrong. Until someone starts building combat spacecraft, it remains a theory too.
Actually there have been studies to figure it out. We know from the Apollo missions that we'd need more radiation sheilding than we gave those ships. We know from long stays on Mir and the ISS that we'd need some kind of artificial gravity. We know that to get that we'd need to either spin a wheel with the crew inside or accelerate the ship or drag a whole planet along for the trip. We know that chemical rockets simply won't cut it and we've come up with new designs like NERVAs (which were tested) and NPRs and AM Plasma rockets. There are those who have put a great deal of thought into what space travel would really be like.

If aliens did have the capability to come here and wanted to get rid of us, this is what it'd look like:
A probe is sent to study this system. Then either they send a relativistic missile to wipe us out and then come in to pick up the pieces or they send a ship full up small thrusters to just outside the asteroid belt and start throwing them at Earth. Even with the average separation between asteroids being approximately 16 times the distance between the Terra and Luna there would still be more than enough ammo for a long and heavy bombardment. Then they'd move in to pick up the pieces just like with the R-bomb. Not a single alien soldier or tripod would set foot on Earth until after everything were wiped out.

First you have to ask ones self. What the hell would aliens want with Earth? There has to be much better planets that haven't been overrun by humans out there. I am sure if they are coming here they are only here as a tourist stop. I would think they would have already taken over if they really wanted to.

Simple fact is the Earth is on the galactic rim, middle of absolutely nowhere. We're very far away from anything. If alien life exists odds are they're more toward the center of the galaxy, and perhaps billions of years advanced beyond us.

There is no absolute truth in the universe, guys. As far as I know, we can be a bunch of virus being studied in some alien lab (makes a real lot of sense if you think about it...not the alien lab part, silly).

Oh, and by the way, kids, stop being silly. Most of the things scientists say aren't facts, but rather assumptions based on what we currently know. For example, how can they be sure that the dinosaurs were killed by a big ass asteroid if there wasn't anyone there to tell?

Did anyone read the comments? Idiot Daily Mail readers thinking they are so funny and original...

God, I hate the Daily Mail and its readership...

Did anyone read the comments? Idiot Daily Mail readers thinking they are so funny and original...

God, I hate the Daily Mail and its readership...

Yet you read it, willingly. Masochist.

http://www.kasterborus.com/tardis/baddies/daleks/dalondon.jpg

Ohnoes!!!1 It's true!!!11eleven :eek:

Isn't it obvious, we're the aliens! We are:
The only 'sentient' creatures on the planet so far (minus the mice)
The only creatures who have to cover their eyes when the sun is blazing down on us.
See?

...

Anyway, if there were some intergalactic tourists who were intelligent to have found us, why would they even bother attacking us? I mean, who would want a bunch of lazy, primitive things who are destroying their own planet as slaves?

I thought they were all non-union? And how does a zombie pay union dues?
Brains.
Alien invasion? Hah!

We are already among you...

...I mean...

THEY are already among you.

<_<

>_>

:)
This explains so much, LG was sent to search for a planet with plentiful mud supplies.


Actually that only explains a tiny amount and raises further questions. Crap.
http://www.kasterborus.com/tardis/baddies/daleks/dalondon.jpg

Ohnoes!!!1 It's true!!!11eleven :eek:

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How come everyone takes the head of MI5 seriously but no one takes the ex chief of the MOD seriously?

"Most of the witnesses were police and military personnel,"

hrm...

How come everyone takes the head of MI5 seriously but no one takes the ex chief of the MOD seriously?

The head of MI5 isn't saying anything this amusing.
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http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/aliens/borg_assimilation_faces.gif
http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/mad/boese028.gif
http://ugly.plzdiekthxbye.net/large/l999.gif

Its the end of the world as we know it! I wonder what the unknown world will be like.....

Its the end of the world as we know it! I wonder what the unknown world will be like.....

I suspect it'll be a cross between Toon Town and The Road Warrior. :)

Best shoot ill-written right-wing crap at them until they lose the will to read, and then press the 'self-destruct' buttons on all of their ships instead of "leave this shithole".

Bussard Ramjets anyone?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A600436

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Bussard

He is not the first person to suggest Aliens the Canadian Minister of Defense Paul Hellyer accused the United States of provoking Aliens and said the George W. Bush was going to start an intergalactic war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Peace_in_space_and_UFO_advocacy).

*sigh* Stupid bastard. Making Britain look bad...

Anyway, aliens won't invade because there's nothing here but a bunch of stupid humans and their shoddily-cobbled-together technology.

*sigh* Stupid bastard. Making Britain look bad...

Anyway, aliens won't invade because there's nothing here but a bunch of stupid humans and their shoddily-cobbled-together technology.

Unless they just want the real estate, then we are just in the way.......

I suspect it'll be a cross between Toon Town and The Road Warrior. :)

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Im heading for the hills.

Now

*flees to high ground and hopes the aliens travel on unpowered wheelchairs*

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Im heading for the hills.

Now

*flees to high ground and hopes the aliens travel on unpowered wheelchairs*

Sorry, old chap, but it is well known that aliens have all, to a being, trancended the Laws of Physics and are able to flit around on anti-matter powered anti-gravity pods, that look alot like miniature 1937 Packards. And they love a good hill climb.

Go ahead, you can call me crazy and tell me to put my tinfoil hat on, but I saw 3 F-18's in a dog fight with a metalic ball once about a mile outside of the town I live in. It was night, but I could tell what was going on becuase it lasted for awhile and was pretty low. And let me tell you, the F-18's got their asses kicked, it wasn't like a real dogfight where there was shooting but that metal ball outmanuvered the shit out of those F-18's like something ive never seen before. It would even lead them around like it was they were gonna get it, then it'd dissapere and a re-appear somewhere else and resume the chase. like freakin teleportation style. A couple more jets that I couldn't tell then flew in and the ball then dissappered for good, for the next week military jets constantly flew around the city.

But ya know, I guess I'm crazy because I saw something extraordinary.

Barbaric Tribes, did you happen to get it on video and ask about it at the closest air field? I know video of such simple objects can be forged but it'd be better than nothing.

I'll believe in aliens and UFOs as soon as someone beats the crap out of ET, steals his ship, and drags him into my living room in a burlap sack.

let 'em invade. I've lost my will to live. seriously. :headbang:

Barbaric Tribes, did you happen to get it on video and ask about it at the closest air field? I know video of such simple objects can be forged but it'd be better than nothing.

I'll believe in aliens and UFOs as soon as someone beats the crap out of ET, steals his ship, and drags him into my living room in a burlap sack.

Unfortunetly no, :( , it was very spectacular and I only have my word to back it up. But this is the internet however. So no one would believe me, If I had accses to a camera in time I would've loved to get footage. And there is an Air Force base about 50 miles NW of here, i'd say, maybe about 60 MI, theres is also an army base about 100MI SW of here, I dont know the name of the Air base the the Army base is Fort Mcoy (I'm in WI), the only thing that confuses me is that I dont believe the Air Force flies F-18's, So its possible they could've been F-15's, (which the AF does fly) it would be easy the mistake the two at night.

You wonder why he's the ex-Minister.

No, I actually don't know why. But the second I saw this, I thought The Day The Earth Stood Still, and then giggled.

I thought they were all non-union? And how does a zombie pay union dues?

With human brains of course. :rolleyes:

Space travel is a lot harder than you think. Space war is even harder.

Space war is considerably easier if your opponent is sitting at the bottom of a gravity well.

How come everyone takes the head of MI5 seriously but no one takes the ex chief of the MOD seriously?

Pushistymistan;11932199']You wonder why he's the ex-Minister.


Since when was Nick Pope either a minister or chief of the MOD? His highest rank in the civil service was Senior Executive Officer.

Aliens have always been able to attack anytime. We couldn't stand a chance against their superior technology.

Since when was Nick Pope either a minister or chief of the MOD? His highest rank in the civil service was Senior Executive Officer.

But he was HoD for this UK version of the Blue Book...

I still think its feasible to travel with the Bussard Ramjets...if you can take the radiation! ;)

Go ahead, you can call me crazy and tell me to put my tinfoil hat on, but I saw 3 F-18's in a dog fight with a metalic ball once about a mile outside of the town I live in. It was night, but I could tell what was going on becuase it lasted for awhile and was pretty low. And let me tell you, the F-18's got their asses kicked, it wasn't like a real dogfight where there was shooting but that metal ball outmanuvered the shit out of those F-18's like something ive never seen before. It would even lead them around like it was they were gonna get it, then it'd dissapere and a re-appear somewhere else and resume the chase. like freakin teleportation style. A couple more jets that I couldn't tell then flew in and the ball then dissappered for good, for the next week military jets constantly flew around the city.

But ya know, I guess I'm crazy because I saw something extraordinary.

Where do you live? I have also heard people tell me they have seen UFO's every one I know is from the South West US. I have never seen anything like that before. I wonder if people from other countries see UFO's because it seems like Americans see the majority of UFO sightings.