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I find it quite interesting that people accuse other posters like MeansToAnEnd a troll (which I agree with) and of course say that trolls should not be encouraged by responding to their inflammatory comments. Yet it seems that MTAE has some very successful threads. He finds a topic that is sure to get people real riled up and by saying crazy things about things like slavery and becomes real successful. Whatever happened to not feeding the troll? Perhaps we all enjoy his arguably trollish threads more then we want to admit? It certainly seems that way to me. So a troll he may be but he is certainly a successful one. Clearly he provides his own vital part to the workings of NS. The forum would arguably be more boring without him and others like him. Your thoughts?

I think NS has gotten a little bit "Troll-Crazy", that is excessive troll feeding and accusing anyone who holds unpopular opinions(usually conservative in nature) of being a troll.


Just an observation.

I've some rather recently found serenity and have learned to simply avoid the threads of the most aggravating posters completely.

Works like a charm. Except when it doesn't work. :/

I've some rather recently found serenity and have learned to simply avoid the threads of the most aggravating posters completely.

Works like a charm. Except when it doesn't work. :/

I'd like a /ignore function, for threads, or posters :eek:

Trolls are fun, you gotta remember that.

MTAE may be a troll, but at least he's an intelligent one. What I mean is, most trolls simply spew profanity-filled garbage dotted with spelling errors and gun smilies. MTAE, on the other hand, is usually quite articulate. I also find debating him to be good practice for one's debate skills. Sure, what he says is utter crap, but he doesn't let you take anything for granted. You have to continuously back everything you say up, even down to moral absolutes. At the end it breaks down, because MTAE is apparently amoral, but it's good practice nonetheless.

The forum would arguably be more boring without him and others like him. Your thoughts?
I used to respond to his posts until I realized that he was trolling. Now I might answer the odd post, but I certainly don't engage him in long drawn out discussions anymore. If he never posted again, it wouldn't bother me. :D

MTAE may be a troll, but at least he's an intelligent one. What I mean is, most trolls simply spew profanity-filled garbage dotted with spelling errors and gun smilies. MTAE, on the other hand, is usually quite articulate. I also find debating him to be good practice for one's debate skills. Sure, what he says is utter crap, but he doesn't let you take anything for granted. You have to continuously back everything you say up, even down to moral absolutes. At the end it breaks down, because MTAE is apparently amoral, but it's good practice nonetheless.
Naw....he only thinks he is good. I have nailed him on several contradictions. He does it all the time.

BTW....he sure is quiet the past two days....I wonder why? :D

I think NS has gotten a little bit "Troll-Crazy", that is excessive troll feeding and accusing anyone who holds unpopular opinions(usually conservative in nature) of being a troll.


Just an observation.

I'm going to have to agree. A lot of that stems from the subjectiveness of the term.

I'm going to have to agree. A lot of that stems from the subjectiveness of the term.

Indeed.

Trolls provide me with some of my best opportunities for silliness.

Take The Potato Factory's latest thread for example. :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506574

Trolls provide me with some of my best opportunities for silliness.

Take The Potato Factory's latest thread for example. :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506574

I noticed you posting about having a taco in another thread, and burritos in the one you linked to. On a Mexican food kick?

Trolls provide me with some of my best opportunities for silliness.

Take The Potato Factory's latest thread for example. :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506574


To which I am forever grateful....your comments always have me rolling on the floor....:D

I noticed you posting about having a taco in another thread, and burritos in the one you linked to. On a Mexican food kick?

Who isn't? To be honest, burritos are Cannot Think of a Name's motif.

Tacos are my trademark. But I have great respect for CToaN and for burritos. *nod*

Who isn't? To be honest, burritos are Cannot Think of a Name's motif.

Tacos are my trademark. But I have great respect for CToaN and for burritos. *nod*

LoL. You make me hungry.

Enjoy your tacos and burritos, tho. They are quite delicious. Maybe I should make some fajitas this week for dinner. *plots*

ah well, gnight. Hope the Goofettes are doing well :fluffle:

LoL. You make me hungry.

Enjoy your tacos and burritos, tho. They are quite delicious. Maybe I should make some fajitas this week for dinner. *plots*

ah well, gnight. Hope the Goofettes are going well :fluffle:

Thanks. :)

Who isn't? To be honest, burritos are Cannot Think of a Name's motif.

Tacos are my trademark. But I have great respect for CToaN and for burritos. *nod*

:eek: Praise from Caesar!

Although tacos have made it into my sig, thanks to The Onion, so cross over is good among the connoisseurs...;)

EDIT: Oh, and I never got to congratulate you on the newest Goofball-I remember that the first posts I saw of yours where about the little Goofball...so cool...

:eek: Praise from Caesar!

Although tacos have made it into my sig, thanks to The Onion, so cross over is good among the connoisseurs...;)

EDIT: Oh, and I never got to congratulate you on the newest Goofball-I remember that the first posts I saw of yours where about the little Goofball...so cool...

Newest goofballs. Wow, you have fallen behind. We had twins. :)

Troll threads provide excitement, because we can all get fired up about them, whichever side of the fence we're on.

Most of them make me laugh these days, because of the sheer absurdity of what is said.

I think NS has gotten a little bit "Troll-Crazy", that is excessive troll feeding and accusing anyone who holds unpopular opinions(usually conservative in nature) of being a troll.


Just an observation.

And a correct observation it is.

I think NS has gotten a little bit "Troll-Crazy", that is excessive troll feeding and accusing anyone who holds unpopular opinions(usually conservative in nature) of being a troll.


Just an observation.

I dont know ... could be that most trolls around here happen to take a republican persona (they like the us party are hardly "Conservitive")

I dont know I find it depressing we used to have some really good Far left trolls like TRA ... kind of miss thoes days

Though we dont seem to be invaded by the neo-nazies nearly as often as we used to

I've some rather recently found serenity and have learned to simply avoid the threads of the most aggravating posters completely.

Works like a charm. Except when it doesn't work. :/
*Okie charms WYTYG

To which I am forever grateful....your comments always have me rolling on the floor....:D
Come on now....maybe spewing coffee all over the monitor/keyboard, but rolling on the floor? Get serious. :p

Trolls are like sex. First you want to keep going and going with them but eventually you get tired and it becomes painful.

Trolls are like sex. First you want to keep going and going with them but eventually you get tired and it becomes painful.

Couldn't put it better myself. :cool:

Trolls are like sex. First you want to keep going and going with them but eventually you get tired and it becomes painful.

That's worthy of being sigged. :D

Hooray afterr 1120 posts I've been sigged :D

MTAE may be a troll, but at least he's an intelligent one. What I mean is, most trolls simply spew profanity-filled garbage dotted with spelling errors and gun smilies. MTAE, on the other hand, is usually quite articulate. I also find debating him to be good practice for one's debate skills. Sure, what he says is utter crap, but he doesn't let you take anything for granted. You have to continuously back everything you say up, even down to moral absolutes. At the end it breaks down, because MTAE is apparently amoral, but it's good practice nonetheless.

I agree with Rhaomi. MTAE will hold your feet to the fire in a debate. I think people need to not take his threads too seriously and realize that an outraged response is what he's after (and is he going to annoyed at us for saying so).

I find it quite interesting that people accuse other posters like MeansToAnEnd a troll (which I agree with) and of course say that trolls should not be encouraged by responding to their inflammatory comments. Yet it seems that MTAE has some very successful threads. He finds a topic that is sure to get people real riled up and by saying crazy things about things like slavery and becomes real successful. Whatever happened to not feeding the troll? Perhaps we all enjoy his arguably trollish threads more then we want to admit? It certainly seems that way to me. So a troll he may be but he is certainly a successful one. Clearly he provides his own vital part to the workings of NS. The forum would arguably be more boring without him and others like him. Your thoughts?

I come here for the fun of debate. Not that I don't believe what I write, but I enjoy defending my beliefs and sometimes I learn things. Whether the person I debate with is a troll or truely believes what they write doesn't change that. MTAE, however, is becoming too much of a cartoon to be fun anymore.

I come here for the fun of debate. Not that I don't believe what I write, but I enjoy defending my beliefs and sometimes I learn things. Whether the person I debate with is a troll or truely believes what they write doesn't change that. MTAE, however, is becoming too much of a cartoon to be fun anymore.

MTAE seems to often make arguements that fall apart very quickly. But the topics are so outrageous that we just have to respond so we can vent on him. His tactics are old now but I'm sure we will all continue to respond to his threads (yes, I'm including myself). His topics are so out of what normal society would ever suggest that it is something that people can respond to without feeling any kind of ambiguity. Life becomes simpler.

Of course his threads will end up ceasing any debate and will turn into simple screaming. I don't think debate is in the front of peoples minds when they click on a thread by MTAE anyway. More like the desire to gawk at a trainwreck.

MTAE may be a troll, but at least he's an intelligent one. What I mean is, most trolls simply spew profanity-filled garbage dotted with spelling errors and gun smilies. MTAE, on the other hand, is usually quite articulate. I also find debating him to be good practice for one's debate skills. Sure, what he says is utter crap, but he doesn't let you take anything for granted. You have to continuously back everything you say up, even down to moral absolutes. At the end it breaks down, because MTAE is apparently amoral, but it's good practice nonetheless.

True,you get people like Green israel who is just terrible and laughable,I mean he can't even spell,so half the time you can't debate with him because you don't understand him.At least MTAE can spell,and can definitely debate,he just debates REALLY bad points.Like breeding in order to stop Islamic immigration to Europe.:p

True,you get people like Green israel who is just terrible and laughable,I mean he can't even spell,so half the time you can't debate with him because you don't understand him.At least MTAE can spell,and can definitely debate,he just debates REALLY bad points.Like breeding in order to stop Islamic immigration to Europe.:p

It is points like that which make his threads so popular. Everyone wants to go take a look. Saying we need to outbreed Muslims is a view which will draw many responses. Simply saying we need to negotiate, or stay in Iraq, or have more religious tolerance doesn't exactly have the same pizazz. :)

I've missed a great deal of MTAE's history here in General, but the one thread that I did see him in, he was being berated for being a troll and a flamer before he even entered the thread. Even after that, he managed to remain rational for the rest of the discussion. His views were unorthodox, and perhaps a little extreme, but they were on topic, and he supported them rationally and logically. I would not necessarily say that I would have agreed with some of his views on torture, but the only real trolling I saw in that thread was the continual attacks made upon MTAE that were seemingly without any basis.

I understand that there is a great deal of past history surrounding this, so I don't know the whole story, but perhaps, just perhaps, he should be given the benefit of the doubt. Wait until he has actually joined a conversation before leaping down his throat for being a troll, at the very least.

It is also possible that people such as MTAE simply fill the role that everyone seems to expect them to fill. He is labelled as a troll, and treated as a troll, so why should he not act as a troll? Since it won't make any difference as to how he is treated, that is.

If we didn't have 'im, everyone would complain how there's "no good trolls anymore".

Unsurprisingly, a thread about trolling has degraded into a discussion about me. Well, you're not getting the benefit of my "trolling" anymore. From now on, I'm attempting to post only more mainstream threads so I can't be accused of being a troll. Unorthodox opinions are quickly branded as trolling around here, and I have learned my lesson.

Unsurprisingly, a thread about trolling has degraded into a discussion about me. Well, you're not getting the benefit of my "trolling" anymore. From now on, I'm attempting to post only more mainstream threads so I can't be accused of being a troll. Unorthodox opinions are quickly branded as trolling around here, and I have learned my lesson.

Unorthodox, eh? :D

Besides, despite what any of us may say, you have very successful threads as I've pointed out. A troll you might be but everyone has no problem posting and discussing on the topic you give. Which is the entire point. People accuse but they still enjoy it. Otherwise they would just ignore you. But they don't. Congrats, you have succeeded on NS. :)

We denizens of NSG absolutely love trolls, there's no way around it.

Unsurprisingly, a thread about trolling has degraded into a discussion about me. Well, you're not getting the benefit of my "trolling" anymore. From now on, I'm attempting to post only more mainstream threads so I can't be accused of being a troll. Unorthodox opinions are quickly branded as trolling around here, and I have learned my lesson.

Would you like a few nails to go with that cross, Jesus?

I love trolls, but only when they create their own threads. Bastards mess up the good threads sometimes but this place would be duller without the occasional idiot :)

Trolls are like potato chips. They are satisfying in a guilty kind of way, but they don't fill you up, and you'd be in a sad state if you relied on them for sustanence. I say, don't ban them, but limit your consumption.

We denizens of NSG absolutely love trolls, there's no way around it.

It's true! HerPower only lasted a mere three days, but she is still being talked about...Jessusaves practically has his own cult...oh the days...I heard talk that HerPower and Jessusaves were going to fall in love...

Unsurprisingly, a thread about trolling has degraded into a discussion about me. Well, you're not getting the benefit of my "trolling" anymore. From now on, I'm attempting to post only more mainstream threads so I can't be accused of being a troll. Unorthodox opinions are quickly branded as trolling around here, and I have learned my lesson.

Your views are more common then most people here would believe. I thought your views are very extreme but you did not use profanity and you were civil.

Clearly he provides his own vital part to the workings of NS. The forum would arguably be more boring without him and others like him. Your thoughts?

Gotta agree with ya, Utracia. Laughing at MTAE is fun, and provides my daily source of laughs.

Unsurprisingly, a thread about trolling has degraded into a discussion about me. Well, you're not getting the benefit of my "trolling" anymore. From now on, I'm attempting to post only more mainstream threads so I can't be accused of being a troll. Unorthodox opinions are quickly branded as trolling around here, and I have learned my lesson.

Oh come on. I have plenty of unorthodox opinions, and have been airing them on General and in the UN forum for years. And that hasn't resulted in me being branded a troll.

I will grant that people sometimes leap on you for trolling when you aren't, but the way you express your opinions does enter into the realm of trolling at times, so the label is understandable.

Congrats, you have succeeded on NS. :)

But failed at life. :D

Though we dont seem to be invaded by the neo-nazies nearly as often as we used to
Ah that's good, the last time I had a nation that actively posted on the forums there were hoards of them who just made me cringe. The only one I can think of that's on right now is 4th Holy Reich.

I don't mind other groups of trolls as much. It doesn't matter if they're left or right wing, it's fun to make 'em mad. :p

Well, given that one has a choice of either being absolute conformist or facing risk of being accused of trolling... I feel suspicious about people who have never been called trolls.

And real trolls are just funny.

This thread would be considerably more boring wihtout them.

This thread would be considerably more boring wihtout them.

Though Trin isn't going to be posting anytime soon ;)

Well, given that one has a choice of either being absolute conformist or facing risk of being accused of trolling... I feel suspicious about people who have never been called trolls.

Oh please. My politics are moderately conservative (in the same general area as Eutrusca's on a political compass), and my political ideals are anarcho-capitalistic. My take on my religion (and religion in general) is pretty unorthodox, and my philosophy unusual and I dare say rather unique. Hardly an absolute conformist in the context of this forum or any other context.

Despite all this, I've managed to not get labeled a troll.

Oh please. My politics are moderately conservative (in the same general area as Eutrusca's on a political compass), and my political ideals are anarcho-capitalistic. My take on my religion (and religion in general) is pretty unorthodox, and my philosophy unusual and I dare say rather unique. Hardly an absolute conformist in the context of this forum or any other context.

Despite all this, I've managed to not get labeled a troll.

Probably because in my memory you've never seemed to be trolling.

Oh please. My politics are moderately conservative (in the same general area as Eutrusca's on a political compass), and my political ideals are anarcho-capitalistic. My take on my religion (and religion in general) is pretty unorthodox, and my philosophy unusual and I dare say rather unique. Hardly an absolute conformist in the context of this forum or any other context.

Despite all this, I've managed to not get labeled a troll.

nah you delete posts and threads. thats too controlling.

nah you delete posts and threads. thats too controlling.

:eek:

And I thought Mods were against all forms of trolling! ;)

:eek:

And I thought Mods were against all forms of trolling! ;)

Nope. I'm perfectly fine with trolling being used by fishermen as a fishing technique. :)

Nope. I'm perfectly fine with trolling being used by fishermen as a fishing technique. :)

You just don't like uberconservatives/uberliberals using flamebait, eh? ;)

Would you like a few nails to go with that cross, Jesus?

Great, now there is Tootsie Pop all over my keyboard. :p

You just don't like uberconservatives/uberliberals using flamebait, eh? ;)

Well that too.

It's true! HerPower only lasted a mere three days, but she is still being talked about...Jessusaves practically has his own cult...oh the days...I heard talk that HerPower and Jessusaves were going to fall in love...

Don't forget Trinityness, though she was only playing a prank on me. *nod*

Don't forget Trinityness, though she was only playing a prank on me. *nod*

did you get back at her yet

Great, now there is Tootsie Pop all over my keyboard. :p


Please tell me 'Tootsie Pop' is some kind of foodstuff/beverage?:confused:

did you get back at her yet

Yep. :D LEt's just say she's not going to try that again. :p

Yep. :D LEt's just say she's not going to try that again. :p

good for you :D
oh and :fluffle:

good for you :D
oh and :fluffle:

:fluffle:

Please tell me 'Tootsie Pop' is some kind of foodstuff/beverage?:confused:

http://static.grupthink.com/question/e/ed3046be9420ad3fbd465580c0bf2fcd

lollipop w/ chocolate taffy inside.

i spit it out reading that.

:fluffle:
:D


http://static.grupthink.com/question/e/ed3046be9420ad3fbd465580c0bf2fcd

lollipop w/ chocolate taffy inside.

i spit it out reading that.

dam i had not have one of those in years

Trolls provide me with some of my best opportunities for silliness.

Take The Potato Factory's latest thread for example. :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506574

Speaking of your silliness, I've been searching for an old thread about 'Most reliable News Source', to which you replied something along the lines of "Watching the horizon for smoke signals." Can you link me to that thread if you come across it? I've had no luck finding it but I wanna' use that reply in my siggie; it was absolutely brilliant!!!

My thread was revived! I feel so lucky! Trolls must be on the minds of NS. And they want to use my thread to talk about it. The honor...

*swoons*

Please tell me 'Tootsie Pop' is some kind of foodstuff/beverage?:confused:

I don't know about that, but I just accidentally spilled some milkshake on my keyboard.

http://static.grupthink.com/question/e/ed3046be9420ad3fbd465580c0bf2fcd

lollipop w/ chocolate taffy inside.

i spit it out reading that.

Oh good, for a split second I thought it might be some sort of American euphemism! I wondered what sort of site this was!