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On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

I am male. Were I defending myself, I would use every advantage I could possibly attain against my opponent. When acting in self-defense, I have every right to do so.

If I was in a fight, I'd rip the other guy's balls off if I could get a shot at them.

Fighting isn't fair, it's to bring the other guys down quickly with as little damage to yourself as possible.

Go box if you want a fair fight in the noble art of fistcufts.

I am male. Were I defending myself, I would use every advantage I could possibly attain against my opponent. When acting in self-defense, I have every right to do so.

You could hit the guy in the stomach, or you could actually learn martial arts.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

Like I said in the other thread, 'Show me the Rulebook'. And assuming one existed, I would think that 'Guys hitting Girls' would be Rule #1; and that's obviously been broken.

I don't ever recall kicking a guy in the nuts (I know too well how that hurts), but if it were necessary....hell, I'd go there.

You could hit the guy in the stomach, or you could actually learn martial arts.

What did I say that precluded either option?

you could actually learn martial arts.
Where do you think I learned the the "Get the other guy's groin" bit?

Where do you think I learned the the "Get the other guy's groin" bit?

In a female defense class, unless it's a style I've never heard of.

What makes that so much more unfair than anything else? All fighting is unfair. When it comes to fighting, it is not a question of whether the fight is "fair", but who is at a greater advantage. Unless you are fighting in a match like NERVUN said, but that is a different story.

Again. In a real fight, fighting "fair" against someone bigger and stronger is stupid.

Frankly, the 'dont hit girls' philosophy is out of date now. It originated in a time where the worst physical violence a girl would inflict on you was a light slap. Now it seems to apply when a girl is trying to claw your eyes out.
The solution?
Hire a bigger girl to stand around and beat up any girls who hit you :P

Of course, the only time Ive been in a 'real' fight was when a rather psychotic kid from my middle school (looooooong time ago) came at me with a knife. Fourtunatly I was digging a hole in our yard for some reason, so I hit him with the shovel.

Frankly, the 'dont hit girls' philosophy is out of date now.

It was always out of date.

Self-defense is self-defense, against males, females, or whatever.

Frankly, the 'dont hit girls' philosophy is out of date now.

Hell, it was out of date about 25 years ago when I fought a girl (I was maybe 8; she was 2 years older, and she started it). I pinned her to the ground. I remember her saying "Stop! Don't hit me! My glasses!". So I let up. And she promptly kicked me in the nuts.

That Bitch. :p

The one time it would have been justified....and I wasted my opportunity...:)

Frankly, the 'dont hit girls' philosophy is out of date now.

Eh I would never hit a girl, I may grab her and slam her down if she attacks me, but that's not hitting, that's just subduing the person through non-threatening means. Of course I never really met a girl who had any reason to hit me so.

Wow, three quotes in a row.
I feel special :P

In a female defense class, unless it's a style I've never heard of.

I was taught to hit whatever was easiest. And it sure as hell wasn't a female self-defense class. Most of the students were men, and a lot of them ex-military.

It was always out of date.

Self-defense is self-defense, against males, females, or whatever.

Agreed. I'm sick of hearing "Oooh, you can't hit a girl" whenever I'm being hit by them and trying to fight back.

Agreed. I'm sick of hearing "Oooh, you can't hit a girl" whenever I'm being abused by females and trying to fight back.

I agree. I don't care who the person is, if I am being hit or assaulted, I will fight back.

Absolutely. And the instep, knee and throat are just as tender on a woman as a man.

depends on the situation. In situations where one is in serious danger of personal harm then fighting's fighting, you do everyhting yuo can to live. If your playfighting or fighting for fun, yeah for sure there aught to be rules of conduct. Though honestly virtualy every kind of organized fighting involves rules. From sword fenching to matrial arts to full scale war. rules are inforced and broken to different degrees but.. they are there. But to answer your question, can we really blame someone for kicking a guy in the nads if they are going to be raped or murdered?

depends on the situation. In situations where one is in serious danger of personal harm then fighting's fighting, you do everyhting yuo can to live. If your playfighting or fighting for fun, yeah for sure there aught to be rules of conduct. Though honestly virtualy every kind of organized fighting involves rules. From sword fenching to matrial arts to full scale war. rules are inforced and broken to different degrees but.. they are there. But to answer your question, can we really blame someone for kicking a guy in the nads if they are going to be raped or murdered?

Nah, not really. I dunno, I guess I'm a gentlemen fighter.

Ive always been a fan of the preassure points on the neck. On about %70 of people its almost as good as twisting their arm behind their back. The problem is the other %30 have a really good shot at your crotch and arent in any pain at all.

I also tend to rely on my natural fortitude. Ive had three kids jump on me in an effort to bring me down once. They managed to slow me down a bit :P

Fighting is not fair. Never in the history of mankind has their EVER been a fair fight.

The concept of a fair fight is a farce altoghether. One cannot have a fight without it being unfair.

Nah, not really. I dunno, I guess I'm a gentlemen fighter.
If someone was really trying to hurt you, then you'd be an injured gentleman fighter.

Obviously, if you're just playing around or fighting in a match, you have to fight fair. No low blows, and all that. I have never been in a play-fight or match-fight of any kind. I don't like hitting. I don't think it's fun, and I don't think it's much of a sport, either. I have never and will never do it.

But self-defense? That's another thing altogether. If some violent bastard is coming at me, then pacifism be damned. I will protect myself anyway I have to, and if that includes turning his balls to oatmeal, well then, it will suck to be him.

If someone was really trying to hurt you, then you'd be an injured gentleman fighter.

Obviously, if you're just playing around or fighting in a match, you have to fight fair. No low blows, and all that. I have never been in a play-fight or match-fight of any kind. I don't like hitting. I don't think it's fun, and I don't think it's much of a sport, either. I have never and will never do it.

But self-defense? That's another thing altogether. If some violent bastard is coming at me, then pacifism be damned. I will protect myself anyway I have to, and if that includes turning his balls to oatmeal, well then, it will suck to be him.

Remind me not to pick a fight with you.:D

Oatmeal, ouchies. :eek:

I'm with you on this. Sparing and screwing around is one thing, yo udon't sucker punch your friends. But in a self-defense situation, I am gonna be doing my best to knock their ass down.

A definition of a fair fight is, a fight you win. It's only unfair if your opponent wins.

in any fight (other than a regulated boxing/martial arts match) a smart fighter will find any means as to subdue their opponent. it's basic human evolution. you aren't able to do something, find another way to do it. that's how the human race came up with using guns to kill things. (if you've even seen or read 2001: a space odyssey you can remember when the monkey picks up the bone to kill the other monkey, that's evolution.) therefore in self defense a girl hitting below the belt, or guy for that matter, is alright fighting in my book. (it's almost impossible to have a completely fair fight, that would require each person to not be hurt and call it a draw cause they weren't getting anywhere with it)

and as for hitting girls, it's alright to fight back, but just not as hard. do what ya must, but fighting a girl like you would a man of equal size is just overkill. that is unless this girl happens to be a very manly and of a sturdy build

and as for hitting girls, it's alright to fight back, but just not as hard. do what ya must, but fighting a girl like you would a man of equal size is just overkill. that is unless this girl happens to be a very manly and of a sturdy build

I disagree, it doesn't matter who or which gender your opponent is, pulling your punches brings the risk of them being able to get in a disabling shot before they receive enough damage to put them down.

Remind me not to pick a fight with you.:D

Oatmeal, ouchies. :eek:

I'm with you on this. Sparing and screwing around is one thing, yo udon't sucker punch your friends. But in a self-defense situation, I am gonna be doing my best to knock their ass down.

A definition of a fair fight is, a fight you win. It's only unfair if your opponent wins.
You know, it's funny, but I don't really need to remind guys not to pick fights with me. I wonder why... *stirs oatmeal*

One of my favorite self-defense anecdotes was something I read in NY Newsday many years ago. A serial rapist/burglar was caught when he broke into an old woman's house and attacked her. She was a very elderly lady, but she defended herself by, in her words, "I just shut my eyes, grabbed that man's nuts, gave them a good twist, and hung on as hard as I could." She was still doing that when the cops arrived (the neighbors had heard the noise of the fight and called 911).

Every cop I've ever known has told me that, if attacked, you don't worry about form or appropriateness. You do whatever you can and whatever you have to do to incapacitate your attacker enough for you to escape. Incapacitate = put that scumbag DOWN. That's all that matters if someone really means you harm. This is true for both sexes and all ages.

You know, it's funny, but I don't really need to remind guys not to pick fights with me. I wonder why... *stirs oatmeal*

I don't either. :)

One of my favorite self-defense anecdotes was something I read in NY Newsday many years ago. A serial rapist/burglar was caught when he broke into an old woman's house and attacked her. She was a very elderly lady, but she defended herself by, in her words, "I just shut my eyes, grabbed that man's nuts, gave them a good twist, and hung on as hard as I could." She was still doing that when the cops arrived (the neighbors had heard the noise of the fight and called 911).

Good! That's what I hope my grandma would do. She prolly wouldn't, but I can still hope.

Every cop I've ever known has told me that, if attacked, you don't worry about form or appropriateness. You do whatever you can and whatever you have to do to incapacitate your attacker enough for you to escape. Incapacitate = put that scumbag DOWN. That's all that matters if someone really means you harm. This is true for both sexes and all ages.

Indeed. Far better to risk paying someone else's hospital bill than ending up there yourself.

In a female defense class, unless it's a style I've never heard of.
Nope, it was kenpo. My sensei said, and I quote, if someone takes a swing at you; they have given you permision to do whatever you need to do, up to and including their death, to get them to stop (And this guy was also my pastor).

If I'm sparing in a match, I'll hold off, if I'm playing around, or just between friends for fun, yeah. But if it's a fight, a real fight, I am sure as all hell not a gentleman. I will do what it takes to bring that person down so they stop attacking myself or those I am defending.

I disagree, it doesn't matter who or which gender your opponent is, pulling your punches brings the risk of them being able to get in a disabling shot before they receive enough damage to put them down.

well i didn't say layoff completely once ya put a little effort into it but if a girl just slaps you in aggression i don't think it's right to go all out balls to the wall bruce lee on them and cause that much damage. but if she's got some type of weapon or something that can seriously hurt you, yeah fighting with all you can to keep um from hurting you is alright

Girl's are, biologically, likely to be weaker than men, all else being equal. But that doesn't mean that in a true fight they aren't allowed do everything they can. It's basically as other have said, fighting isn't fair.

Then again, I don't know much about it. There are one or two people in my school who have it in for me, but our "fights" are more like:

Them: Robin, you called me a bitch on MSN?

Me: I called you B I dot dot dot big. There's a differance.

Them: Eh?

Me: Feets, don't fail me now!

*Flees into huge crowd*

well i didn't say layoff completely once ya put a little effort into it but if a girl just slaps you in aggression i don't think it's right to go all out balls to the wall bruce lee on them and cause that much damage. but if she's got some type of weapon or something that can seriously hurt you, yeah fighting with all you can to keep um from hurting you is alright
There's a difference between, "I HATE you! You JERK!" *slap* and "I WILL kill you" and actually trying.

Me: Feets, don't fail me now!

You have more than one pair of feet? :p

But at my junior school, and sometimes now at senior school you can get kicked in the groin (by a few bitches) for next to no reason at all... girls obviously dont understand how painful it is :(

There's a difference between, "I HATE you! You JERK!" *slap* and "I WILL kill you" and actually trying.

well yeah i know what yer sayin

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?
I think you just don't like getting kicked in the nuts. Deal with it. You're a man. Suck it up. I mean, that's what we men are supposed to do, right? Be manly, macho, take pain like it's nothing, like we eat it for breakfast, eh?

Women can fight however they please when it comes to self-defense, as far as I'm concerned.

Dont be an idiot, OP.

If its is a matter of life and death and some filthy criminal hoodlum is attacking you, you should try to ram his balls so hard they go up his ass.

If he bends over, try to kick him in the neck or head, if not, move on to the eyes with your thumbs.

If you have a knife, go immediately for the throat.

A person is justified in using any ammount of force to protect his or her life. If you're willing to shoot someone to death, you have to be willing to tear him apart.

You have more than one pair of feet? :p

But at my junior school, and sometimes now at senior school you can get kicked in the groin (by a few bitches) for next to no reason at all... girls obviously dont understand how painful it is :(
Take your thumbs and aim about an inch in from their hip bones. That's right around their ovaries.

I'm told that, for women, it feels the same as a kick in the nuts for guys.

If there's any chance of me being really injured, I fight as dirty as possible. The worse I can hurt them with minimal injury to me, the better.

Agreed. I'm sick of hearing "Oooh, you can't hit a girl" whenever I'm being hit by them and trying to fight back.

Hahaha if i'm in a fight with a girl and I hear that i'll be more tempted to take it up a notch than stop. Just because i'm so tired of girls expecting special treatment.

Unless you are taking part in a martial arts tournament there are NO rules.

If someone has attacked you then you should use ANY means possible to defend yourself. In the most severe cases the prize for a fair fight is death.

If someone attacks me I will do whatever it takes to ensure I live and walk away with as little harm as possible to myself.

This includes, but is not limited to, using improvised weapons, hitting him in the balls, stomping on insteps, going for the eyes, biting, headbutting, hitting while they're down to stop them getting back up.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

Hit them where it hurts. Where it really hurts.
Assuming that this is a self-defense situation, get that guy down and then get out of there. What good does it do you to stick by the rules and only hit him where it is less effective, if as a result you get raped or killed?

And assuming you're the attacker, wouldn't you prefer a good kick in the balls to a bullet through your brain???

In a female defense class, unless it's a style I've never heard of.

Monkey steals the peach!

http://www.digitalfog.com/gallery/images/monkey_steals_peach.jpg

:p

What I said in the other thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11923246&postcount=37

Hit them where it hurts.

I refrain from kicking because I'm tall and don't know any flashy kung-fu-style kicks - it is most likely that my opponent will unbalance me and throw me dow. If I have to fight, I prefer using fists, targeting face and stomach; open hands to grab the opponent's forearm; fingers going for the neck. It's easier and you can keep a better guard, and it is difficult to deal permanent damage on the opponent - I don't want to be charged with excess of defence, permanent injury or manslaughter, you know.

When in doubt go for a Limerick shoulder(make like you're going to shoulder them, they'll probably brace against it, then knee the outside of their knee) or a Glasgow kiss(headbutt).

If i were ever in a fight with a man - i'm going to assume that its because he's going to rape me or do something not very nice.

i have had discussions with my bf of the "you're a girl, you're a weaking" type which has been drawn to conclusion with him offering his body to determine my strength by means of punshing. I cannot hurt him by punching.

Therefore, if i did happen to be in a fight with a man that attacked me - the gonads are my only form of defence. it would be a necessity.

women are dirty fighters anyhoo. cat fights are nasty, hair pulling and nails sinking into flesh.

at the end of the day however, i'm a lover not a fighter:fluffle:

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

I kick guys in the nuts for fun. Why shouldn't women kick them for self defense? :)

When in doubt go for a Limerick shoulder(make like you're going to shoulder them, they'll probably brace against it, then knee the outside of their knee) or a Glasgow kiss(headbutt).

Its pronounced "Glesgie" kiss

Ladies, actually I was told by an instructor at a woman's self defense class that you should hit wherever you can reach first, THEN go for the balls.

women are dirty fighters anyhoo. cat fights are nasty, hair pulling and nails sinking into flesh.
I've seen some pretty violent cat fights, with no scratching or hair pulling.


I think it was over one girl bumping into the other in the corridor.

Its pronounced "Glesgie" kiss

Yeah, but if I wrote Glesgie nobody would know what I was on about.

I kick guys in the nuts for fun. Why shouldn't women kick them for self defense? :)
Yes, but we already know you have somehow acquired Superman's testicles. ;)

I kick guys in the nuts for fun. Why shouldn't women kick them for self defense? :)

That's not fair, we don't all have indestructible testicles like you.

Yes, but we already know you have somehow acquired Superman's testicles. ;)

That's not fair, we don't all have indestructible testicles like you.

Since when are fights supposed to be fair? :)

Since when are fights supposed to be fair? :)

Kicking guys in the balls for fun isn't a fight. What follows when they manage to get up and catch you might be though.

Kicking guys in the balls for fun isn't a fight. What follows when they manage to get up and catch you might be though.

I'm not a very large guy, so it's usually more of a beating. *nod*

Yeah, but if I wrote Glesgie nobody would know what I was on about.
I know it as the Liverpool Kiss.

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I know it as the Liverpool Kiss.
I've heard that too, I just thought Glasgow Kiss would be somewhat more well known. To balance out the Limerick shoulder thing, which I only heard of last night, so I assume not many people know about it.

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Ooooo, Dean got burned.

You want a fair fight, you take it to a ring with a ref. On the street the only thing that matters is who walks away and who doesn't.

You want a fair fight, you take it to a ring with a ref. On the street the only thing that matters is who walks away and who doesn't.

Or rather who runs away and whether or not the person running after them catches up or not.

Or rather who runs away and whether or not the person running after them catches up or not.

But it is hard for an attacker to catch someone if they are disabled.

But it is hard for an attacker to catch someone if they are disabled.

Exactly. If you can hurt your attacker enough so that you can run away to safety without being caught then you win.

as a father of three girl's why shouldnt they be able to defend them selfs any way they can ......little boys are an evil creature pick up a stick and beat tem down if need be:sniper:

I've heard that too, I just thought Glasgow Kiss would be somewhat more well known. To balance out the Limerick shoulder thing, which I only heard of last night, so I assume not many people know about it.
I had never heard of the Limmerick Shoulder at all, i' mnot sure i'd risk it's use though.
Ooooo, Dean got burned.
Indeed he did.

as a father of three girl's why shouldnt they be able to defend them selfs any way they can ......little boys are an evil creature pick up a stick and beat tem down if need be:sniper:
Little boys are evil? A strange first post to say the least.
I had never heard of the Limerick Shoulder at all, i' mnot sure i'd risk it's use though.
Well it's more of a tactic for playing dirty football.

Indeed he did.

Though at least he didn't get kicked in the balls.

If anyone, male or female, takes a swing at me, I'm more then willing to go fisticuffs with them.

I'm not really sure how relevent that is...

Anyways, as I'm quite opposed to using violence except to prevent myself from being harmed, I don't anticipate having to deal with someone trying to kick me in the groin, if it happens, unless it's my little brother, they're getting socked in the mouth.

If it's my brother, he's getting stuck in a sleeper hold. =D

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?
Is shooting someody supposed to be more humane and civilised than kicking the in the groin???

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

If you are worried about a girl fighting dirty, don't attack her.

Girls, and guys, have to protect themselves. If that means a girl kicks a guy in the jewels, he shouldn't be getting all predatory. If that means a guy grabs a handful of dangling things and twists his hand round full circle... again, don't start the crap if you don't want it finished.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

As a male that usually is outclassed by 20 pounds and six inches by most people, men and women, I fight dirty. Hitting above the belt is for people that don't have to punch above their height to hit someone in the face. I hit what I can reach, including balls. It's not worth getting beaten, and by that I mean physically pounded, just to say the fight was "fair".

If women want to take advantage of the groin shot, I say go for it and remember to kick him when he's down so he won't be up anytime soon.

As a male that usually is outclassed by 20 pounds and six inches by most people, men and women, I fight dirty. Hitting above the belt is for people that don't have to punch above their height to hit someone in the face. I hit what I can reach, including balls. It's not worth getting beaten, and by that I mean physically pounded, just to say the fight was "fair".

If women want to take advantage of the groin shot, I say go for it and remember to kick him when he's down so he won't be up anytime soon.

The groin shot isn't a sure thing, some people shrug them off better then others. And, if you kick someone who was 'fighting fair' in the groin, they might just decide to punch you in the throat, or return the groinshot.

I'd try to keep it as a back-up, there's always less 'dirty' places with a similar impact on the attacker, bridge of the nose, solar plexus, instep, knee...

The groin shot isn't a sure thing, some people shrug them off better then others. And, if you kick someone who was 'fighting fair' in the groin, they might just decide to punch you in the throat, or return the groinshot.

I'd try to keep it as a back-up, there's always less 'dirty' places with a similar impact on the attacker, bridge of the nose, solar plexus, instep, knee...

Well, I didn't want to get into a discussion of the best weak points for fighting. I've used those more than the groin, since guys tend to keep their balls guarded, but nothing will floor a bigger fighter faster than an unexpected blow to groin. Not just a light tap, mind, but usually a blow I put my weight behind so that it can't be shrugged off. At least, no one I've had to hit like that has shrugged it off.

But, it is better to start with places like joints, the bridge of the nose, the eyes if you can reach, and few others. My father shares my physical disadvantages in fighting, so I was taught plenty of places that can bring down a larger opponent quickly. The groin is just the best known, and the one Wilgrove seems to be worried about.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?
I believe that if you're fighting to defend yourself then there's no such thing as "dirty fighting." If somebody attacks you, you get to stop them. Period.

Kicking a guy in the nuts is a very efficient way to stop him from attacking you. I also recommend the solar plexus, the instep, and the nose as potential targets.

I believe that if you're fighting to defend yourself then there's no such thing as "dirty fighting." If somebody attacks you, you get to stop them. Period.

Kicking a guy in the nuts is a very efficient way to stop him from attacking you. I also recommend the solar plexus, the instep, and the nose as potential targets.

The nose is always good, as a good hit to the nose usually causes a person's eye to water, making it that much easier to get the next punch in or just turn and leg it.

What's that statement? "If someone accuses you of fighting dirty then you weren't fighting dirty enough." Something like that.

The nose is always good, as a good hit to the nose usually causes a person's eye to water, making it that much easier to get the next punch in or just turn and leg it.
I'm the sort of person who prefers to fight battles with scathing insults, but since I'm female and small of stature I also have found it necessary to know how to defend myself.

Frankly, I have never remotely considered the possibility that I should "hit above the belt" when dealing with the kind of creep who would pick a physical fight with me. I don't want to physically fight anybody, so by definition any person who is physically fighting me is somebody who intentionally provoked that state of affairs. If they didn't want to have their nutsack twisted off, then they shouldn't have started shit with me.

In a female defense class, unless it's a style I've never heard of.

Well I learn karate and while I've not been doing it for that long, I can say with certanty that groin strikes are an important part of the discipline. They are even included in the katas. i think you should study up on martial arts more before making such sweeping statements.

I'm the sort of person who prefers to fight battles with scathing insults, but since I'm female and small of stature I also have found it necessary to know how to defend myself.

Frankly, I have never remotely considered the possibility that I should "hit above the belt" when dealing with the kind of creep who would pick a physical fight with me. I don't want to physically fight anybody, so by definition any person who is physically fighting me is somebody who intentionally provoked that state of affairs. If they didn't want to have their nutsack twisted off, then they shouldn't have started shit with me.

I'm with you. I've always been tall, but most of my life was also spent being painfully skinny. Add to that, I've never much liked fighting.

What you have is the perfect picture of someone who got in probably an average of a fight a day, all the way through school. Then, in my mid to late teens, I got sick of being the target (the 'big' guy always gets blamed, even if there are two guys fighting him) and trying to 'play nice'... and I started fighting a little dirty.

Like you say, a guy shouldn't start shit with me, unless he's weighed up the pros and cons of having the bridge of his nose bitten hard, or his nuts twisted.

If you are worried about a girl fighting dirty, don't attack her.

I think it would be a much better world if every female human being was willing and able to deliver a shot to the groin to any guy who tried to hurt them. We'd all be better off if the creeps knew that women were more than happy to shatter their kneecaps for them.

I believe that if you're fighting to defend yourself then there's no such thing as "dirty fighting." If somebody attacks you, you get to stop them. Period.

Kicking a guy in the nuts is a very efficient way to stop him from attacking you. I also recommend the solar plexus, the instep, and the nose as potential targets.

It's ok. Thing is that it's a dull pain that takes a few seconds to really hit. I think sharp pain like the instep would be better, or go for the eyes. Or bite wherever you can.

As a man who has been kicked in the groin I can testify that it will not slow down a determined attacker (or in my case defender...) until after they have had time to attack/defend with a lot of force. Adreneline (spelling) is amazing.

Another problem with going for the groin by kicking is that it is easy to block with your knee (i learnt this after...) and then puts the guy being kicked in the perfect position to kick the other persons knee very hrad from the side.

I'm not saying it's not a good target but I think many people have the opinion that it will almopst KO a man instantly, which is not the case. Hit it if you can and it will help you, but don't expect the fight to be over then or else you will get badly hurt.

If you have the strength another thing you can do if grappeling is grab the guy by the balls (through clothing), crush as hard as you can and yank upwards HARD. This *should* discourage him from further attack. But best avoid grappeling with a more powerful opponent.



EDIT: The OP seemed to be of the opinion that it is 'dirty' for a small and physically weaker woman to go for a guys groin. As a 230pound male who stands a little over 6'4" - I don't view it as dirty to defend myself through such measures. I see no reason why someone smaller than me should be made to feel it is wrong for them to use such measures to defend themselves.

If you are attacked it is your duty to yourself to defend yourself using whatever means you have available to you. Your attacker forefits ALL rights to have a fair firght the moment they attempt their assult. Or even just before.

I think it would be a much better world if every female human being was willing and able to deliver a shot to the groin to any guy who tried to hurt them. We'd all be better off if the creeps knew that women were more than happy to shatter their kneecaps for them.

I don't think I know any girl who wouldn't give me a swift kick to the nuts if I gave her a reason too.

I'm with you. I've always been tall, but most of my life was also spent being painfully skinny. Add to that, I've never much liked fighting.

What you have is the perfect picture of someone who got in probably an average of a fight a day, all the way through school. Then, in my mid to late teens, I got sick of being the target (the 'big' guy always gets blamed, even if there are two guys fighting him) and trying to 'play nice'... and I started fighting a little dirty.

Like you say, a guy shouldn't start shit with me, unless he's weighed up the pros and cons of having the bridge of his nose bitten hard, or his nuts twisted.
It's certainly a little easier for me in the social sense, because any guy who whined about me not "fighting fair" would be a laughing stock...in our society, you can't really cry about "fair play" if you are big strong manly man who picks a fight with a 5-foot-tall girl. :P

I don't think I know any girl who wouldn't give me a swift kick to the nuts if I gave her a reason too.
That's the only kind of girl worth knowing, in my opinion. :D

I think it would be a much better world if every female human being was willing and able to deliver a shot to the groin to any guy who tried to hurt them. We'd all be better off if the creeps knew that women were more than happy to shatter their kneecaps for them.

Oh indeed. If they want to right an allotment into the taxes for educating the girls to do it, I'll consider that part of my taxbill well spent.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

what is it with you guys and 'dirty ways to fight'?

it's like I used to say in highschool, guys fight to look good, girls fight to win.

You men are too busy making up silly rules for violence. :p

It's ok. Thing is that it's a dull pain that takes a few seconds to really hit. I think sharp pain like the instep would be better, or go for the eyes. Or bite wherever you can.

As a man who has been kicked in the groin I can testify that it will not slow down a determined attacker (or in my case defender...) until after they have had time to attack/defend with a lot of force. Adreneline (spelling) is amazing.

Another problem with going for the groin by kicking is that it is easy to block with your knee (i learnt this after...) and then puts the guy being kicked in the perfect position to kick the other persons knee very hrad from the side.

I'm not saying it's not a good target but I think many people have the opinion that it will almopst KO a man instantly, which is not the case. Hit it if you can and it will help you, but don't expect the fight to be over then or else you will get badly hurt.

If you have the strength another thing you can do if grappeling is grab the guy by the balls (through clothing), crush as hard as you can and yank upwards HARD. This *should* discourage him from further attack. But best avoid grappeling with a more powerful opponent.
Oh, I absolutely agree that going for the groin isn't always the best choice. But it works surprisingly well in many situations, and I don't think girls (or guys!) should ignore it as an option just because it's supposedly "dirty fighting." If you're being attacked, you go with whatever works.

One advantage to groin kicking is the element of surprise. I'm always amazed at the number of real assholes who honestly think that you won't kick them in the nuts when they deserve it. They think they can come at you, grab you, hurt you, and yet for some reason they also think you'll be nice enough to not give them a shot in the pills. It's like they think there's some kind of victim-attacker code of honor or something.

That's the only kind of girl worth knowing, in my opinion. :D
I like to think so.
what is it with you guys and 'dirty ways to fight'?

it's like I used to say in highschool, guys fight to look good, girls fight to win.

You men are too busy making up silly rules for violence. :p

Competetive sport as we know it is almost exclusively men making up silly rules for violence.

It's certainly a little easier for me in the social sense, because any guy who whined about me not "fighting fair" would be a laughing stock...in our society, you can't really cry about "fair play" if you are big strong manly man who picks a fight with a 5-foot-tall girl. :P

:D I suddenly broke my 'streak' of getting my ass kicked, though. Oh sure, there were a couple more fights... but for the most part, I've had a much more combat-free existence since I decided yes-it-IS-wrong-to-try-to-knee-a-guys-nuts-into-his-lung... but also he-did-kinda-ask-for-it.

Have people complained about my 'fair fighting'? Sometimes. However, since I don't end up on the floor getting kicked by six or eight guys anymore, I can take a little teasing.

what is it with you guys and 'dirty ways to fight'?

it's like I used to say in highschool, guys fight to look good, girls fight to win.

You men are too busy making up silly rules for violence. :pSometimes I really, really love you, Smunkee.

It's such a good point. If you're in a situation where it is "fair" to hit somebody in the nose, why shouldn't it be "fair" to hit them in the groin? Hitting is hitting. In the context of this discussion, the only purpose of hitting is to inflict pain and/or disable the attacker. You're not doing it for shits and giggles. You're not doing it to impress anybody. You're defending yourself. Why make up bullshit rules about what is and is not "fair"?

Sometimes I really, really love you, Smunkee.

It's such a good point. If you're in a situation where it is "fair" to hit somebody in the nose, why shouldn't it be "fair" to hit them in the groin? Hitting is hitting. In the context of this discussion, the only purpose of hitting is to inflict pain and/or disable the attacker. You're not doing it for shits and giggles. You're not doing it to impress anybody. You're defending yourself. Why make up bullshit rules about what is and is not "fair"?

Psst... Smunkee... it looks like that 'play' you made for Bottle, yesterday is paying off... ;)

Competetive sport as we know it is almost exclusively men making up silly rules for violence.
Ahh, but that's different, and I can kind of understand it.

There are legitimate reasons why one would institute rules for entertainment-based fighting. There are plenty of good reasons to establish a code that all participants agree to follow, for their mutual benefit.

But in the situation this thread is talking about, one of the parties involved in the fight did not sign on willingly. They didn't "agree" to be attacked. They didn't enter into a voluntary encounter. I don't see why anybody should expect the attackee to follow any "rules," since they didn't agree to the fight in the first place!

Ahh, but that's different, and I can kind of understand it.


Even Cricket?

.....I don't see why anybody should expect the attackee to follow any "rules," since they didn't agree to the fight in the first place!

Because most people who are likely to attack you are also likely to be idiots.

Because most people who are likely to attack you are also likely to be idiots.
I cannot argue with this.

Even Cricket?
I'ma level with you. I have no fucking clue what is up with Cricket. The game baffles me.

I'ma level with you. I have no fucking clue what is up with Cricket. The game baffles me.

Not alone. I have no idea, and I played it for three years.

I'ma level with you. I have no fucking clue what is up with Cricket. The game baffles me.

oh you poor thing

I'm a level with you. I have no fucking clue what is up with Cricket. The game baffles me.

*must resist explaining*

Where are you from again? I thought you were Australian?

oh you poor thing
There was this one time that I was hanging around with a couple of buddies of mine from Trinidad and they explained Cricket to me. I totally got it, and we had a lively discussion about the sport for like 4 hours.

The next morning, when I sobered up, my knowledge and understanding had fled. Ever since, I have been unable to understand even the rudaments of the game.

*must resist explaining*

Where are you from again? I thought you were Australian?
Nope, I'm from the USA. I've used up all of my sports-brain learning the rules to baseball and the kind of football that nobody plays except us.

There was this one time that I was hanging around with a couple of buddies of mine from Trinidad and they explained Cricket to me. I totally got it, and we had a lively discussion about the sport for like 4 hours.

The next morning, when I sobered up, my knowledge and understanding had fled. Ever since, I have been unable to understand even the rudaments of the game.

Bottle that is the only time some peolpe understand it is when they are pissed

Bottle that is the only time some peolpe understand it is when they are pissed
Hmm. So, what you're saying is that I should get drunk more often, right? I mean, it will be a kind of cultural-outreach thing, since I can connect with Cricket players from around the world. I'll be like a cultural ambassador!

Superb. One can never have too many justifications for getting pissed.

Nope, I'm from the USA. I've used up all of my sports-brain learning the rules to baseball and the kind of football that nobody plays except us.

Ah...

I've tried explaining Cricket to 5 Americans (all asked first...) and they just dont get it. It seems to go against the national psyche.

Which is weird as they have baseball which has a very similar gameplay/action level.

Hmm. So, what you're saying is that I should get drunk more often, right? I mean, it will be a kind of cultural-outreach thing, since I can connect with Cricket players from around the world. I'll be like a cultural ambassador!

Superb. One can never have too many justifications for getting pissed.

if you like
oh have a glass for me

You could hit the guy in the stomach, or you could actually learn martial arts.

There are no rules in fighing, period. I want to hit you with a chair so be it. I find a way to grab a tie rod from the gutter and belt you in the head with it then good for me. Self defense allows you to use appropriate force and damn well I'll use it. Note: I also have boxed and know martial arts. However, there are no rules in fighting and maybe it would make you think twice before making someone defend themselves against you again. Now going over and stomping your nuts after I've brought you to the ground would just be wrong, funny but wrong.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?
Uh... fuck that shit. If I'm being attacked by someone bigger and stronger than me, I'm using every advantage I can. I will kick him in the nuts and stab him in the thigh with the pen I keep in my coat pocket and then run like hell. This assumes I don't punch him with my fist with keys sticking out of it either.

Also, you talk about girls fighting dirty and you're carting around a gun?! That's a much pussier way to fight.

You could hit the guy in the stomach, or you could actually learn martial arts.

I am a 230pound male who is 6'4" with a working knowlege of Karate. I see NO reason to be a gentleman to someone attacking me in the street. In the ring then there are rules. On the street there are none.

I see even less reason for a smaller person who may or may not have any martial arts experience to fight 'nice' either.

Only an idiot would restrict how they defend themselves.


The thing I find most amazing however is not your mass stupidity in believing a mugging/assult is a 'fair' fight with 'rules' but the fact you seem to think using a Gun on an unarmed attacker is more 'honerable' than kneeing a guy in the balls then biting his nose off. Personallly I am not bothered by the 'honor' of a street fight, but for someone who is I find this attitude astounding.

In a street fight all rules are off. In a self defense situation you break that fucker in half. I personally favor breaking the knees, one good kick and SNAP.

I once was in a fight when half a dozen guys attacked me for no reason - I carried a knife and decided to use it. I hit one of the guys (half an inch away from his heart) and the assault ended immediately. They just thought they'd get an easy victim. Well - they didn't.

At first I accused myself of not living up to my standards ( I think Ghandi was a gread guy),
but after some days of thinking I realized that a victim in an assault has every right to defend itself. If you don't want to be killed - simply don't attack.

There is no difference about gender or whatever. If someone seriously attacks you, do whatever you think will end the fight with the least chance of getting hurt yourself.

You could hit the guy in the stomach, or you could actually learn martial arts.

I habe been in Tae Kwon Do for over 8 years now...even when you can kick above everyones head, when it comes to a fight, you still aim for the kneecaps (or whatever other weak point is available.)

Also, if a girl kicks you in the balls because she thinks its cute, punch her in her brest...hard. She will stop giggling.

Also what's this fair fight crap? If they're trying to inflict bodily harm on you why in the sam hell would any sane person fight fair? If I've got a 50% chance of losing why would I fight? If you don't have a plan to definitely win you ought not be fighting at all.


Fair fight, honestly, how grade school.

I habe been in Tae Kwon Do for over 8 years now...even when you can kick above everyones head, when it comes to a fight, you still aim for the kneecaps (or whatever other weak point is available.)

Also, if a girl kicks you in the balls because she thinks its cute, punch her in her brest...hard. She will stop giggling.

I was thinking of a boxshot with a knee, but I suppose that works too. ^.^

I was thinking of a boxshot with a knee, but I suppose that works too. ^.^

Lol, boxshot.

I would only kick you in the nuts if I couldn't reach my shotgun. :sniper:

If I was in a fight, I'd rip the other guy's balls off if I could get a shot at them.

Fighting isn't fair, it's to bring the other guys down quickly with as little damage to yourself as possible.

Go box if you want a fair fight in the noble art of fistcufts.

I agree-unless you are in some match with rules.

If its a fight or I'm defending myself from an agressor, there is no "fair" there is only one rule- to WIN.

I'll tear your sack off and choke you to death with it if I can. Ears rip right off and that will stop many agressive people.

Keep in mind I'm large and I'm not the type people have an urge to fight or attack. And I've avoided more fight than I've been in. I have no plans to stand and trade punches with someone, nor to I want to roll around on the ground with them-or get kicks from their buddies.

Chances are good I'd smack your ear(s) really hard, head-butt or palm your nose and get out of the area before I'm arrested or positively identified by anyone. I really dont want to cut or break my knuckles on your teeth. I want to stop you cold by any means neccesary and get away. And I dont want to hang around to chat with the police or deal with your friends.

Everything is fair to accomplish this goal, as far as I am concerned.

There are no rules in fighing, period. I want to hit you with a chair so be it. I find a way to grab a tie rod from the gutter and belt you in the head with it then good for me. Self defense allows you to use appropriate force and damn well I'll use it. Note: I also have boxed and know martial arts. However, there are no rules in fighting and maybe it would make you think twice before making someone defend themselves against you again. Now going over and stomping your nuts after I've brought you to the ground would just be wrong, funny but wrong.

I'll add that I agree here- Any weapon of opporotunity within reach. A beer mug, a rolled up magazine or a piece of 2X4.

Anything that can prevent direct contact, provide a hard edge and prevent the exchange of DNA.

A tie rod would be like a dream come true. With my luck, all that would be in my gutter would be a filthy old sock and some cigarette butts. *L*

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

Shut up. Someone attacks me, I'm going to fight as dirty as possible to get away. I certainly won't plan to cause serious harm, but if a kick to the nuts or a punch to the tits is my ticket out a bad situation, and the only way to stop further violence, that's what I'm going to do.

If we want to be seen as equal to men? We need to start pumping iron so we can kick your ass? How retarded is that?

Sometimes self-defence requires a little bit of offence during the ordeal.

In a female defense class, unless it's a style I've never heard of.

The idea in female defence is that they are BEING ATTACKED BY SOMEONE WHO REALLY WANTS TO HURT THEM. And you want women to 'play fair'?

How about, you don't try to rape or beat a woman, and you don't get kicked in the nuts? Sound good? Good.

If we want to be seen as equal to men? We need to start pumping iron so we can kick your ass? How retarded is that?
Yeah, don't you love his line of reasoning?

"If women want to be seen as equals, then they have to only use specific means of defending themselves when a man attacks them."

As if it's just inevitable that OF COURSE men will attack women, and that what we really should worry about is making sure that women know that they can only fight back according to a very specific set of rules. These rules will not actually include something like, "Men should bloody well stop attacking women," of course, because it would be silly to have rules like that. No, it's far more important to make sure everybody knows to be really fair and considerate when fighting off an attacker.

And, of course, this is all as if women should care about being seen as "equals" with the kind of man who is going around ATTACKING PEOPLE.

Yeah, don't you love his line of reasoning?

"If women want to be seen as equals, then they have to only use specific means of defending themselves when a man attacks them."

As if it's just inevitable that OF COURSE men will attack women, and that what we really should worry about is making sure that women know that they can only fight back according to a very specific set of rules. These rules will not actually include something like, "Men should bloody well stop attacking women," of course, because it would be silly to have rules like that. No, it's far more important to make sure everybody knows to be really fair and considerate when fighting off an attacker.

And, of course, this is all as if women should care about being seen as "equals" with the kind of man who is going around ATTACKING PEOPLE.

Since it's probably the woman's fault that she's being attacked - she's probably dressed like a whore, you know the type - she should be required to "fight fair."

This is the same sort of logic involved in making women cover themselves up completely, so men won't be distracted by them. The fault is not with the men, who apparently can't control themselves, but in us, who provoke them (poor dears) by our very existence. *sigh* I haven't the energy today to get really angry over this. It's just pathetic.

Since it's probably the woman's fault that she's being attacked - she's probably dressed like a whore, you know the type - she should be required to "fight fair."

This is the same sort of logic involved in making women cover themselves up completely, so men won't be distracted by them. The fault is not with the men, who apparently can't control themselves, but in us, who provoke them (poor dears) by our very existence. *sigh* I haven't the energy today to get really angry over this. It's just pathetic.
If somebody wants to insist that men aren't capable of simply not attacking people, then I don't have any interest in being "equal" to men.

Personally, I think most men are more than capable of understanding the kindergarten lesson about keeping your hands to yourself. As for the minority of jackasses who can't deal with that concept, I have no interest in lowering myself to be on an "equal" level with them, nor am I remotely concerned about whether they will be ticked off after I remove their genitals for them.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?


Heh what a load of rubbish. I'm quite a small chap, at 5'6 i'm fully grown, when I left school I was 4'6 yep that's right I have only grown a foot. My Dad always said to me, look son if you are fighting a taller, or stronger man, there is no shame in picking up a brick and hitting him with that.

The same of course is try for any woman fighting a man. We are stronger than them, so there is absolutly no shame in them kicking us right in the nuts.

On a personal level if as a man you attack a woman then a swift kick in the balls is the very least you deserve anyhoo.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

If you are in a real fight, not one of the 'I don't like you, so I'm going to punch you' fights that high schoolers get into, but one where someone is trying to cause you serious harm and you are defending your life; you have to be willing to inflict as much damage to your assailant a possible, as quickly as possible, without allowing any notions of 'fair play' to get in the way.

If you are in a real fight, not one of the 'I don't like you, so I'm going to punch you' fights that high schoolers get into, but one where someone is trying to cause you serious harm and you are defending your life; you have to be willing to inflict as much damage to your assailant a possible, as quickly as possible, without allowing any notions of 'fair play' to get in the way.

Spot on!

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

All fighting is dirty if you do it right. If it's self defense the rules you use in the ring or on the mat don't apply. Use weapons, stick your thumb in the guy's eye, attack the balls if you can. The only rule is don't get killed or crippled if you can help it.

You could hit the guy in the stomach, or you could actually learn martial arts.

Hi, I've studied martial arts. Boxing, Lee Jun Fan kung fu, grappling, Fillipino Kali, Indonesian Pentjak Silat, and a little tiny bit of Muay Thai. Last fight I was in the guy tried to tackle me and I got him off me by putting my thumb in his eye before he could take me down. Martial arts are great. Good martial arts are full of "dirty" tricks.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense".


I disagree with that poster. In actuality, she should be doing her best to remove the appendage in question completely. I'm male, and yes, I would do exactly the same thing. Oh no! I'm not a man!

I'm probably the one walking away from attack in one piece, too.


I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight.


Attacking a fellow human being, to the extent that the victim is require to fight in self-defense, is a pretty "dirty" thing to do as well. (edit: If my attacker breaks the social contract, by failing to respect my right to not be the victim of aggression, I have no obligation or need to show any respect of any kind toward him/her. It's that simple.)


I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt.


I'd go for the knees myself. Not only would breaking the kneecap backwards (or sideways, or anyways) be fantastically painful, but sufficient injury will severely reduce mobility, making continued defensive measures (or my escape if necessary) more likely to succeed. Seeing as how that is the only relevant concern.

You can make up all this imaginary, romantic, hollywood crap about "honorable combat" or whatever all you want. The plain truth of the matter is that, when one's life or safety are in question, the only goal is to severely injure or kill the attacker while minimizing injury to one's self. Period. End of story. This is the only rational course of action; being worried about fighting "fair" is a great way to get needlessly distracted, and thus injured or killed.


I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men,


I expect her to make it very clear to her attacker that she does not intend to be a victim ever again. My primary concern is ensuring the continued safety of my fellow human beings. "Equality" is irrelevant. "Manliness" (talk about imaginary, romantic, hollywood bullshit :rolleyes: ) is irrelevant.

The first rule of Fight Club....

Is shooting someody supposed to be more humane and civilised than kicking the in the groin???

Big boom-boom stick make more manly!

**random gunting and feces throwing, etc**

:D :p

(edit: not that I'm opposed to the application of such deadly force [where warranted and justified, of course]. Again, there is no "dirty," only survival.)

If you are worried about a girl fighting dirty, don't attack her.



I've had a fairly violence filled past and not much occasion to "fight" a girl.

Maybe some blocking smacks or kicks, but when does the OP or any male have to "fight" a girl?

The average guy couldnt succesfully kick me in the balls. And I could probably hold most women's wrists together with one hand and block any knees or kicks with my knee.

I'm just not sure where the fighting women comes from. Maybe I didnt read enough.

How does everyone feel about kicking a girl in the crotch?

Hi, I've studied martial arts. Boxing, Lee Jun Fan kung fu, grappling, Fillipino Kali, Indonesian Pentjak Silat, and a little tiny bit of Muay Thai. Last fight I was in the guy tried to tackle me and I got him off me by putting my thumb in his eye before he could take me down. Martial arts are great. Good martial arts are full of "dirty" tricks.

No such thing as "dirty". I think its dirty to expect to throw the haymaker right hook knockout punch and break fingers on a moron's head. Or cutting your knuckles up on teeth.
You do that once and learn that flicking your finger tips against their corneas and smacking their ear or ears with a cupped hand requires less force, just a little side-step and finesse. And if they are too dumb to respond to that, follow either with a sound head-butt on their nose.

How does everyone feel about kicking a girl in the crotch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZQLeeNo6Qw

And the Banjo remix for those of a Southern persuasion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAI8T_KSzFU

Before or after she aims her 12 gauge at you?

How does everyone feel about kicking a girl in the crotch?

I'd rather put the other end of my body there.


Anyone that wants to kick a girl in the crotch has serious issues.

No such thing as "dirty". I think its dirty to expect to throw the haymaker right hook knockout punch and break fingers on a moron's head. Or cutting your knuckles up on teeth.
You do that once and learn that flicking your finger tips against their corneas and smacking their ear or ears with a cupped hand requires less force, just a little side-step and finesse. And if they are too dumb to respond to that, follow either with a sound head-butt on their nose.

Exactly. Lee Jun Fan kung fu uses those tactics and more. All good martial arts use stuff like that. They make it look all pretty in movies, but when used for fighting, it's ugly, brutal and effective.

That's the only kind of girl worth knowing, in my opinion. :D

I agree completely. I specifically advise my female friends to kick a guy in the balls if he's threatening them, and have taught several of them how to punch effectively. I hope they never have to use it, but just in case, I want them to be able to kick some ass.

My Dad always said to me, look son if you are fighting a taller, or stronger man, there is no shame in picking up a brick and hitting him with that.
Damn straight. If I find myself in a fight, it's no holds barred from me.

And after I've subdued the guy, I'm calling the police.

That's how I avoided fights in school. The other kids knew that I would file a report with the cops if they beat me up. Assault is assault.

I agree completely. I specifically advise my female friends to kick a guy in the balls if he's threatening them, and have taught several of them how to punch effectively. I hope they never have to use it, but just in case, I want them to be able to kick some ass.

It's not always easy to get a clean kick at someone's balls, but if you can do it, take advantage of it. Also it won't always stop someone cold. Some guys will fight through the pain and nausea. Don't tell them to rely on it as a magic bullet.

Exactly. Lee Jun Fan kung fu uses those tactics and more. All good martial arts use stuff like that. They make it look all pretty in movies, but when used for fighting, it's ugly, brutal and effective.

Thats the goals- speed,not being beaten, not breaking or cutting your hands on them, not swapping bodily fluids and leaving quickly before you have to do the same dance routine with their friends, bouncers, dudley dooright or the police.
I dont look for trouble and I take reasonable steps to avoid it. I've said before that I am good at talking to difuse a situation. But I wont risk a beating to fight "fair".

Fair to me is going home unmolested, with my body, property and ego intact.

It's not always easy to get a clean kick at someone's balls, but if you can do it, take advantage of it. Also it won't always stop someone cold. Some guys will fight through the pain and nausea. Don't tell them to rely on it as a magic bullet.

Indeed. Guys who have been hit there a fair amount or are on certain drugs probably won't be stopped by it, so the punching will probably be needed.

Not if she can rack a load with authority. :sniper:

It's not always easy to get a clean kick at someone's balls, but if you can do it, take advantage of it. Also it won't always stop someone cold. Some guys will fight through the pain and nausea. Don't tell them to rely on it as a magic bullet.

So many people expect it and are prepared to turn or block it-your thighs and knees are the best things you've got to block blows with.

I would never reccomend women or people with a disadvantage to kick at balls for a few reasons- The likelihood of an effective shot is too low, a good square shot may not do the trick (I know for a fact it wont stop me) and you are also revealing how serious you are-making someone bigger and stronger more angry,more dangerous and now more spiteful.
Eyes and throat are more effective.

If you are close enough to kick my balls, and try,and arent completely effective, I am likely going to maul you badly and feel more justified.


Plus- there is an art to kicking balls that involves more of an upward angled toe and a snap back towards you that needs to be practiced- not just a straight out kick.
If you arent practiced, you shouldnt be doing any kicking, unless you'd like me to be holding your foot.

How does everyone feel about kicking a girl in the crotch?

Mostly I just think there are far better ways to hurt a woman if I need to do that for some strange reason.

Mostly I just think there are far better ways to hurt a woman if I need to do that for some strange reason.

But is kicking a girl in the crotch considered "fighting dirty"?

i suppose if someone attacks you, you can do what you want on the basis that they broke the main rule, dont go around starting fights.
i dont know about every woman around the world, but i'm aware that women here tend to kick in the coutch even when not physically assaulted. thats breaking the rules.

I believe that if you're fighting to defend yourself then there's no such thing as "dirty fighting." If somebody attacks you, you get to stop them. Period.
Well, there's a limit to self-defence of course, such as killing someone.

But is kicking a girl in the crotch considered "fighting dirty"?

If "So, I Married an Axe Murderer" is any indication, it is high comedy.

But is kicking a girl in the crotch considered "fighting dirty"?

Personally, I don't think so. I'd just call it "fighting stupid".

Well, there's a limit to self-defence of course, such as killing someone.
Depends how persistent they are.

And whether you're in Texas.

Personally, I don't think so. I'd just call it "fighting stupid".

Just so, although the astonishment factor - that a guy actually did that - might buy him a few extra minutes to escape.

Depends how persistent they are.

And whether you're in Texas.

Very true. I miss Texas.

Just so, although the astonishment factor - that a guy actually did that - might buy him a few extra minutes to escape.

Good point. It's hardly an expected tactic.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

Muggers and the like don't deserve to be fought fairly. As for women, they don't have as much upper body strength, so they have to use strategy.

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome. The whole idea of a street fighting is to use every advantage you have in order to either get the opponent to submit or to allow a means of escape. Kicking someone in the pills is a good strategy, whether you are a man or womyn.

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.

Thats a word-for-word quote from IDF Close Quarter Combat manual...

Thats a word-for-word quote from IDF Close Quarter Combat manual...

I think SEALS too...

I've had a fairly violence filled past and not much occasion to "fight" a girl.

Maybe some blocking smacks or kicks, but when does the OP or any male have to "fight" a girl?

The average guy couldnt succesfully kick me in the balls. And I could probably hold most women's wrists together with one hand and block any knees or kicks with my knee.

I'm just not sure where the fighting women comes from. Maybe I didnt read enough.

I think, looking back, I had one 'fight' with a girl. She was about 15, I was about 11... she and her friends decided to 'beat me up'. They were school bullies, and picked on everyone.

Maybe I travel in different circles to the OP, but I haven't actually had to fight any girls since then...

On another thread, a poster talks about how a girl should kick a guy in the nuts for "self defense". I don't know about you guys, but that seems to be a dirty way to fight. I mean if I'm going to defend myself and I didn't have a handgun with me, I would hit him above the belt. I believe that it's just wrong for girls to do that, and really if they want to be seen as equal to men, then they should learn how to fight above the belt like the men do. Your thoughts?
If a guy comes up trying to mug/rape/grope/whatever me, I'll use every advantage I have to get away. I'm not gonna start fighting fair against someone whos attacking me.

My Dad always said to me, look son if you are fighting a taller, or stronger man, there is no shame in picking up a brick and hitting him with that.


Yeah, thanks for that dad. This kind of reasoning got the shit kicked out of me, often with weapons, for years.

Just because I committed the terrible crime of being 'bigger' than the kids that started the fights.

I think, looking back, I had one 'fight' with a girl. She was about 15, I was about 11... she and her friends decided to 'beat me up'. They were school bullies, and picked on everyone.

Maybe I travel in different circles to the OP, but I haven't actually had to fight any girls since then...

Thats what I mean- very few instances where you have to fight a girl.

Man- fighting a 15 yr old when you were 11-thats like a dream come true... I would have been grabbing,groping and fondling- she would have paid dearly. My hands would have been under her clothes in a heart beat- what better excuse for a grope-fest could you have?

Even if they beat me up, I would have left after having man-handled her budding body. And my fiends would have seen her titties.
You'd be up to a hero status.

If I ever let someone with evil intentions and a hundred pounds heavier than me get close enough for kicking, that would be my first mistake.

If I'm downwind and uphill thats what the Browning is for, if you actually make it thru my door, thats time for the Franchi.

Don't mess with Texas.

Thats what I mean- very few instances where you have to fight a girl.

Man- fighting a 15 yr old when you were 11-thats like a dream come true... I would have been grabbing,groping and fondling- she would have paid dearly. My hands would have been under her clothes in a heart beat- what better excuse for a grope-fest could you have?

Even if they beat me up, I would have left after having man-handled her budding body. And my fiends would have seen her titties.
You'd be up to a hero status.

Hmmm... maybe it's because there was no descriptive text... I think, in the case in question, getting the crap kicked out of me was the lesser of two evils.

I mean - I fully admit I could have repainted the history of everything in my head, but I seem to recall this 'young lady' looking like a fairly good representation of Jay Leno in a skirt.

:o

Thats a word-for-word quote from IDF Close Quarter Combat manual...

You got me! I was a KGB spy embedded in the IDF during the Yom Kippur War. Just please, don't waterboard me! ;)

Hmmm... maybe it's because there was no descriptive text... I think, in the case in question, getting the crap kicked out of me was the lesser of two evils.

I mean - I fully admit I could have repainted the history of everything in my head, but I seem to recall this 'young lady' looking like a fairly good representation of Jay Leno in a skirt.

:o


Gaaaack! Then you do just have to take your beating like a man.

Hope there was no scarring-mental or otherwise.

I am male. Were I defending myself, I would use every advantage I could possibly attain against my opponent. When acting in self-defense, I have every right to do so.

Damn true.

You could hit the guy in the stomach, or you could actually learn martial arts.

Martial arts are FULL of groin strikes :)

Fighting isn't about being fair, it's generally about staying alive, if you gotta punch/kick a guy in the nads or stomp on a knee then so be it. Personally if I was in a violent situation a nad strike would be a priority maneuveur;)

Groinshots are ridiculously easy to defend against. Just clamp your knees together like someone was making a shot on the five-hole.

Maybe I'm unique, but they don't really hurt that much until after a fight, too...

Groinshots are ridiculously easy to defend against. Just clamp your knees together like someone was making a shot on the five-hole.

Maybe I'm unique, but they don't really hurt that much until after a fight, too...

doesn't stop a cockpunch!

*LMAO*

Yes.....you are unique - just like everyone else!:D

Big boom-boom stick make more manly!

**random gunting and feces throwing, etc**

:D :p

When I'm holding an AK47 my dick gets so big I can use it as a cudgel, and not have to shoot my attacker. But I do anyways. :mp5:

You've got to realise that it is expected.

Solution angle your hip into the 'action' that is intended to injury the genital area.
Then they are doomed!

Groinshots are ridiculously easy to defend against. Just clamp your knees together like someone was making a shot on the five-hole.

Maybe I'm unique, but they don't really hurt that much until after a fight, too...

If your thighs are on a hair-trigger a kick to the nuts isn't going to get landed.

A straight-on punch in the cock'll hurt and get landed though. :(

Martial arts are FULL of groin strikes What the hell type of martial arts did you take?

What the hell type of martial arts did you take?
Suk Sum Cok:)