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Well, I think I'll regret this, letting you know so much about my personal life.

My 15 year-old daughter is a high school cheerleader, but in a way she is like her father in that she is highly political and an independent thinker. I get the impression this particular high school is divided 50/50 in the political line.

Before the HOR / Senate race, her cheerleader squad made up a couple of cheers for when the Democrats take back the House and Senate. They were going to perform it if the Dems take back both houses.

The cheer is highly inflammatory in its lyrics (or the wording?), first by rubbing in the Democrat victory and then expressing various Liberal views on same-sex unions, taxes and the current state of affairs Iraq.

They are planning on making a public performance on school grounds sometime this week, in the morning before first period.

Knowing how some mature Republicans are taking this current lost (with much anger) I fear possible physical assault from young, aggressive Republican supporters who happen to be on campus.

How do I persuade my daughter not to take part in this little show?

No, I'm not sending you photos of my daughter!

Tell your daughter that even though the Dems won, you can still be a bad winner. Gloating and rubbing the win in the face of the Republican is a bad winner, and she'll be thought of as snobby and basically a bitch, her social life will take a hard hit, trust me.

Let her do it. Remind her the nuts, instep, knee and Adam's apple are tender on any guy, not matter how big. She'll be able to take care of herself.

Let her do it. Remind her the nuts, instep, knee and Adam's apple are tender on any guy, not matter how big. She'll be able to take care of herself.

Gloating is immature, and so is kicking guys in the nuts.

Let her do it. Remind her the nuts, instep, knee and Adam's apple are tender on any guy, not matter how big. She'll be able to take care of herself.

She already knows that, and according to her, so does every guy that ever tried to cop a feel.

Is the Cheer Advisor / Coach aware of this ? I'm just a little surprised that he / she would let them do it, assuming that at least one of the 'administrators' would take offense, raise a hissy-fit, etc....

She already knows that, and according to her, so does every guy that ever tried to cop a feel.

Ever thought about teaching your daughter to fight fair, you know above the belt? It's basic equality really, two guys fight above the belt, and if women want to be considered equal to guys, then they should learn how to fight above the belt. *nod*

Gloating is immature, and so is kicking guys in the nuts.So.

Sounds unnecessarily and pointlessly provocative to me.

I would ask her what she expects to accomplish with it.

Ever thought about teaching your daughter to fight fair, you know above the belt? It's basic equality really, two guys fight above the belt, and if women want to be considered equal to guys, then they should learn how to fight above the belt. *nod*
In a real fight, "fair" is stupid against someone bigger and stronger.

Ever thought about teaching your daughter to fight fair, you know above the belt? It's basic equality really, two guys fight above the belt, and if women want to be considered equal to guys, then they should learn how to fight above the belt. *nod*

Equality would mean little when the male in question would have extensively larger lifting and muscle-force capacities.

There is no such thing as fighting fair unless it is sporting - you always fight to win by all means necessary.

In a real fight, "fair" is stupid against someone bigger and stronger.

And I've yet to see the 'Rulebook'...

Ever thought about teaching your daughter to fight fair, you know above the belt? It's basic equality really, two guys fight above the belt, and if women want to be considered equal to guys, then they should learn how to fight above the belt. *nod*

When defending yourself from someone trying to beat you up, anything is fair.

Equality would mean little when the male in question would have extensively larger lifting and muscle-force capacities.

There is no such thing as fighting fair unless it is sporting - you always fight to win by all means necessary.

She could try other moves like kicking his feet out from under her. If she's a cheerleader then that must mean she keeps in top physical shape, and if that is true, then why not talk about martial arts to her?

How do I persuade my daughter not to take part in this little show?

Do like I did and say, "No Cheerleading"

Hands down rule. No daughter of mine will *ever* be a cheerleader.

So.

You do realize that if she does do this cheer, she would be thought of as a bitch and be considered as such. I know I would if I was going to her school. Sometimes you just have to take the high road and be mature about this. Doing cheers in front of the school gloating about the win when all you really do was fill in the oval seems stupid and immature to me.

Do like I did and say, "No Cheerleading"

Hands down rule. No daughter of mine will *ever* be a cheerleader.

I'm very surprised you would make that rule...mind if I ask why?

She could try other moves like kicking his feet out from under her. If she's a cheerleader then that must mean she keeps in top physical shape, and if that is true, then why not talk about martial arts to her?

Why should one go through all that trouble if it is not needed? When you are confronting a bully you should not be concerned with "fairness" when dealing with that bully. You take care of yourself however you need to. If a kick in the nuts is what is required then perhaps it is what the bully deserves.

Besides, LG seems to be perfectly fine with the idea of assaults on that area, what he says goes. :)

Ever thought about teaching your daughter to fight fair, you know above the belt? It's basic equality really, two guys fight above the belt, and if women want to be considered equal to guys, then they should learn how to fight above the belt. *nod*

Bah, women are just as sensitive in those weak points. Back in highschool I would often see girls incapacitated from a knee to the crotch or a punch to the adams apple.

It’s just that men are not as likely to use such attacks since a) It isn’t as well known and b) there’s no reason to drop to the same level as women.

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On topic: Talk to her about it and tell her that there could be a backlash and if she wants to do this she should be careful afterwards.

I'm very surprised you would make that rule...mind if I ask why?

I think as a parent (more so as a a father) some of us don't like the thought of our sexually maturing daughters wearing a revealing outfit while dancing in public. We (as in fathers in general) are all constantly worried and cautious when it comes to our own daughters.

Bah, women are just as sensitive in those weak points. Back in highschool I would often see girls incapacitated from a knee to the groon or a punch to the adams apple.


Women do not have Adam's Apples. One thing to check about your date in the future, sonny boy.

Women do not have Adam's Apples. One thing to check about your date in the future, sonny boy.

ROFL! 10!

I'm very surprised you would make that rule...mind if I ask why?

Because that cheerleader pretended to like me in Jr. High ...


Hehe ... no ... I'm kiddin' ... if they want to do it, whatever. If it makes them happy, I'm all for it.

I think as a parent (more so as a a father) some of us don't like the thought of our sexually maturing daughters wearing a revealing outfit while dancing in public. There's the Cheerleader Slut stereotype you have deal with too.Welcome to dancing. Cheerleading outfits cover up just as much as jazz costumes...often more...

But honestly, I'm just curious because it is Keru.

Because that cheerleader pretended to like me in Jr. High ...


Hehe ... no ... I'm kiddin' ... if they want to do it, whatever. If it makes them happy, I'm all for it.

haha...alright. There's the Keru I know and love:fluffle:

Women do not have Adam's Apples. One thing to check about your date in the future, sonny boy.

It is more common in men, but they appear in biological women as well. I have known girls with them who would have had to have become a transexual before the age of 15.

Common misconception really.

For starters, never take advice on self defence from forum threads. Fighting is something a lot of people claim to do well, and not a lot of people actually do. If you want her to actually learn to defend herself, send her to a martial arts class.

There is such thing as being a sore loser. Let her do the cheer if she wants, but I'd encourage her not to.

For starters, never take advice on self defence from forum threads. Fighting is something a lot of people claim to do well, and not a lot of people actually do. If you want her to actually learn to defend herself, send her to a martial arts class.

There is such thing as being a sore loser. Let her do the cheer if she wants, but I'd encourage her not to.

However, there is such a thing as a sore winner, gloating and rubbing a win in your face that you didn't really have anything to do with is a sore loser, and is just poor sportsmanship.

No, I'm not sending you photos of my daughter!
How about photos of the other cheerleaders then?

How about photos of the other cheerleaders then?

lol! :p

Gloating is immature, and so is kicking guys in the nuts.

she's 15. let her gloat. party politics isn't much above a cheerleader's usual subject matter anyway.

I think as a parent (more so as a a father) some of us don't like the thought of our sexually maturing daughters wearing a revealing outfit while dancing in public. We (as in fathers in general) are all constantly worried and cautious when it comes to our own daughters.

heh, I often observed that the school-issued cheerleading outfits were in violation of the dress code. cheerleader wears a skirt you can practically see up and a tight shirt revealing clevage, and the school will *pay* for it. girl wears the same cut and size of clothing without the school mascot on it, she's sent to the vice-principle's office to get new clothes. I have a very low opinion of cheerleading, but that's just me.

she's 15. let her gloat. party politics isn't much above a cheerleader's usual subject matter anyway.

Well, I just hope she's ready to take that hit to her social standings, because doing a cheer like this will def. have people see her as a very rude and snobby woman.

Well, I just hope she's ready to take that hit to her social standings, because doing a cheer like this will def. have people see her as a very rude and snobby woman.

not to be rude to the OP or anyone in general, but the stereotypical cheerleader does not have a reputation for being anything but rude and snobby to begin with. I tested out of high school exactly because people care about idiocy like this, and it's not worth putting up with. she's still a kid. nobody should care...it's not as if her "social standing" will change with anyone who was sincerely her friend to begin with.

Someone mentioned not to take fighting advice off of this forum.

I'd like to make a similar statement towards high school politics, as, no offense, but the majority of people here probably didn't quite "fit in" in high school.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't fit in at school until half-way through high school, and not that great afterward. But I've always been a realist with these kinds of things.

All I can say is, most guys liked the cheer-leaders because they were hot. Most girls liked the football guys for the same reason. Other than that, it was pretty much very individualistic. Very, very few people were put into categories. The smokers were, but thats because we hung out behind the school, so we weren't violating school rules. The blending that went on was so great that to make almost any generalization would be idiocy.

And people aren't nearly politically charged as most of you seem to think. They are very opinionated, but at the same time, incredibly apathetic. The "geeks" were usually the most politically oriented, and even then, they just whined alot(I was part of the whining, yes). Trust me, I would bet large sums of money that this cheer would do nothing more than get a few very opinionated republicans to get slightly angry for one night, at the democrats as a whole.

Well, I just hope she's ready to take that hit to her social standings, because doing a cheer like this will def. have people see her as a very rude and snobby woman.

She's in high school for christs sake....

The home of pettynss and snobbery.

If anything - her social circle would probably largely be her cheerleading friends and if they are all doing this then I don't see how they will think badly of her if she does it too.

Cheerleaders are not noted for being unpopular.

Highschoolers are not noted for having conservative leaning political views.

If she's that much anti-republican then how many of her friends will be hardcore republicans?

Seriously - I don't think her social life will take a hit.

In a real fight, "fair" is stupid against someone bigger and stronger.

Damn straight! Who needs stupid concepts like honour when there's a risk of physical harm? If someone tries to attack me, you damn right i'll be going for any unprotected soft area that I can find. Testicles, eyeballs, jugular veins, they're all fair game. :)

I say let her do it if it her wish to do it but i never really see the point overtly celebrating victories in elections

lol! :p

Actually, photos would help determine your daughter's level of endangerment. how are we supposed to give advice without knowing her extent of self-defense ability?

I recommend having your daughter shot unless she also attacks politicians in the cheer.

Actually, photos would help determine your daughter's level of endangerment. how are we supposed to give advice without knowing her extent of self-defense ability?
Pervs. :p

Pervs. :p

I am offfended. Why do you consider that perverted?

Well, I just hope she's ready to take that hit to her social standings, because doing a cheer like this will def. have people see her as a very rude and snobby woman.

Knowing the control level of most Republicans, I have to agree that social standing would the least of her worries.

let her go through with her rant, and see how much it changes things (she will probaly be more hated but thats it) cheerleaders and politics, bad combo.

Women do not have Adam's Apples. One thing to check about your date in the future, sonny boy.

Actually women just have much much smaller(and almost always unnoticable) ones.

Why not let her do it? Even thou you are her father she should be able to chose how to oppinion her political choise.

I did also start being political active at 15, its a great age to find your political stand.

Why not let her do it? Even thou you are her father she should be able to chose how to oppinion her political choise.

I did also start being political active at 15, its a great age to find your political stand.

I don't think gloating about the democrat win has anything to do with "finding her political stand".

I don't think gloating about the democrat win has anything to do with "finding her political stand".

Agreed, it's just being rude, and really why would she celebrate, did she actually do anything? Did she hold political rallies, help candidate in their campaigns, anything?

I think this would be a good opportunity to teach your daughter about sportsmanship.

It's important to be a gracious winner as well as a gracious loser.

I think this would be a good opportunity to teach your daughter about sportsmanship.

It's important to be a gracious winner as well as a gracious loser.

Agreed.

In a real fight, "fair" is stupid against someone bigger and stronger.

True enough. However, nut shots are almost never justified, unless a rape or a murder or something similar is in progress. It is not, nor has it ever been, a Constitutionally protected right of free speech. In a perfect world, anyone who does that should expect a similar and appropriate retaliation. Tit for tat, you might say.

True enough. However, nut shots are almost never justified, unless a rape or a murder or something similar is in progress. It is not, nor has it ever been, a Constitutionally protected right of free speech. In a perfect world, anyone who does that should expect a similar and appropriate retaliation. Tit for tat, you might say.

They are legal when that is the least harmful and quickest way to subdue the opponent.

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Ever thought about teaching your daughter to fight fair, you know above the belt? It's basic equality really, two guys fight above the belt, and if women want to be considered equal to guys, then they should learn how to fight above the belt. *nod*

Right. Because guys have the right to intimidate and grope women, and women, by virtue of being smaller and less strong, have to take it?

Please.

Agreed, it's just being rude, and really why would she celebrate, did she actually do anything? Did she hold political rallies, help candidate in their campaigns, anything?

I tend to agree. It's akin to the people who claim to "care" about politics...by joining Facebook/Myspace groups. That is their biggest political contribution.

Zoinks.

Right. Because guys have the right to intimidate and grope women, and women, by virtue of being smaller and less strong, have to take it?

Please.

No, they can shank them...or shoot them....or boot them in the nuts.

No, they can shank them...or shoot them....or boot them in the nuts.

"boot them in the nuts"?
You seem to have missed the point of the argument.

EDIT: Aside from that, could you tell us the lyrics of the chant? Don't just describe them, I want the actual lyrics.

"boot them in the nuts"?
You seem to have missed the point of the argument.

And you seemed to miss the point of my, albeit unfunny, rhyming joke.

And you seemed to miss the point of my, albeit unfunny, rhyming joke.

Guess we're even, then.:p

Guess we're even, then.

^_^

Doesn’t sound like a good idea to me. There is a much larger chance of a negative outcome than a positive one, and those possible positive outcomes that do exist hardly merit the risks of the majority of the negative ones.

Right. Because guys have the right to intimidate and grope women, and women, by virtue of being smaller and less strong, have to take it?

Now you're starting to understand, kat!

Right. Because guys have the right to intimidate and grope women, and women, by virtue of being smaller and less strong, have to take it?

Please.

No, I believe that is wrong too, I just think that women will benefit more from a martial arts class than retorting to nut kicking, I mean pretty soon guys will catch on and just grab the woman's foot and flip her down on the ground. However if she knew how to kick ass Kung-Fu style, well that's a woman even I wouldn't want to piss off.

No, I believe that is wrong too, I just think that women will benefit more from a martial arts class than retorting to nut kicking, I mean pretty soon guys will catch on and just grab the woman's foot and flip her down on the ground. However if she knew how to kick ass Kung-Fu style, well that's a woman even I wouldn't want to piss off.
Who the hell has time to take kung fu when they're in the middle of getting groped or raped or whatever? :headbang:

Who the hell has time to take kung fu when they're in the middle of getting groped or raped or whatever? :headbang:

*sigh* You take the classes just in case.....:headbang:

True enough. However, nut shots are almost never justified, unless a rape or a murder or something similar is in progress. It is not, nor has it ever been, a Constitutionally protected right of free speech. In a perfect world, anyone who does that should expect a similar and appropriate retaliation. Tit for tat, you might say.
Let her do it. Remind her the nuts, instep, knee and Adam's apple are tender on any guy, not matter how big. She'll be able to take care of herself.

She already knows that, and according to her, so does every guy that ever tried to cop a feel.

To put things in context, bitchkitten and Jianquo advocated physical retaliation to a physical assault. If someone attacks you physically, you have the right to physically retaliate to protect yourself. Kneeing some guy in the balls, while painful, is not going to kill the attacker. It’s not even going to hospitalize the attacker. She’s unlikely to do real damage, just hurt him temporarily. But it will make the attacker stop and let her get away. She could do worse. What if she broke his arm instead?

Neither poster is advocating that young girls should kick a man in the sack just for the entertainment value. And for the record, an assault, whether it’s a punch or a jerk copping a feel, is not freedom of speech. The cheer for the Democrats is freedom of speech, as is any verbal response that someone might make. Neither should engender a physical attack.

Good grief. If a guy doesn't want to get kicked in the balls, maybe he shouldn't attack or grope a woman.

Let her do it. Remind her the nuts, instep, knee and Adam's apple are tender on any guy, not matter how big. She'll be able to take care of herself.

ow. Not the family jewels!!

I gotta say that nut shots are justified in cases of physical attack... primarily because it ends it without injury (except a lot of pain in the guy's balls) and it is quick. It is actually the most honorable way for a woman to end a fight.

No, I'm not sending you photos of my daughter!

Video?

Video?

Sounds good to me. :)

Sounds good to me. :)

I third this motion.

So.

So, how do you expect her to ever grow up and become a mature, responsible adult if she never learns what's expected of her as a respectable human being?

EDIT: You think on that. I've got to bamf for a while.

Pushistymistan;11928400']So, how do you expect her to ever grow up and become a mature, responsible adult if she never learns what's expected of her as a respectable human being?

Magic :)

Pushistymistan;11928400']So, how do you expect her to ever grow up and become a mature, responsible adult if she never learns what's expected of her as a respectable human being?

EDIT: You think on that. I've got to bamf for a while.

Who says she has to?

[How do I persuade my daughter not to take part in this little show?]

What makes the Republicans and their major power base, the evangelicals, so bad is that they refuse to allow anyone else any say whatsoever when they are in power. They are rude, snide, exclusionary, and arrogant. Her cheer sure sounds like it is rude, snide, exclusionary, and arrogant as well. What's the difference? They both are acting the same way - just on different sides of the fence. Why on earth would she want to act exactly like a Republican would if they had won? She's the same as them if she does this thing - the very same as what she professes to hate - and deserves to be dismissed just as thoroughly.

Obviously, by the sheer fact that she's a cheerleader, she's a follower and can't make up her own mind. She wouldn't know a political issue from a pack of bubblegum, I'm sure.

This is what you get from public schools; brain washing. Her little oatmeal brain has been molded into whatever her teachers wish it to be. That's too bad.

As for the little protest cheer thing, I'd let her do it just so she makes a fool out of herself.

Obviously, by the sheer fact that she's a cheerleader, she's a follower and can't make up her own mind.
I don't see how that follows.
She wouldn't know a political issue from a pack of bubblegum, I'm sure.
Nor that.

This is what you get from public schools; brain washing. Her little oatmeal brain has been molded into whatever her teachers wish it to be. That's too bad.
You didn't like school, did you? At least now you have that tinfoil hat to protect you from the vil teachers.

As for the little protest cheer thing, I'd let her do it just so she makes a fool out of herself.
Well her father might not want her to make a fool out of herself.

You didn't like school, did you? At least now you have that tinfoil hat to protect you from the vil teachers.


The tinfoil hats were proven to INCREASE the government's ability to tap into your mind. So HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The tinfoil hats were proven to INCREASE the government's ability to tap into your mind. So HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I don't see what's funny about that at all.

I don't see what's funny about that at all.

It is SO funny!

The old "I support some of your issues... like freer gun laws *DAKADAKADAKA*" etc. could work, I suppose.

Or possibly tell her that there are going to be a lot of angry, irresponsible men which she will have to deal with if this goes through, and that she might get hurt. I dunno.

The old "I support some of your issues... like freer gun laws *DAKADAKADAKA*" etc. could work, I suppose.

Or possibly tell her that there are going to be a lot of angry, irresponsible men which she will have to deal with if this goes through, and that she might get hurt. I dunno.

Hurt... :eek:

I don't really understand why Americans take politics so personally, especially given that politicians from any party are only out to screw us all over. Perhaps it's different in other countries, and perhaps it's just the group of people I know, but I don't know of anybody who can get so personally involved in any one party. I mean, sure, we have discussions about politics, but we never insult each other for supporting any particular party, or treat each other as though we're from different countries or something... discuss the policies, agree to disagree, then move on to other subjects. And I've never witnessed anybody around here gloating when their party of choice wins an election, for that matter. Is there some cultural thing I'm missing?

I don't really understand why Americans take politics so personally, especially given that politicians from any party are only out to screw us all over. Perhaps it's different in other countries, and perhaps it's just the group of people I know, but I don't know of anybody who can get so personally involved in any one party. I mean, sure, we have discussions about politics, but we never insult each other for supporting any particular party, or treat each other as though we're from different countries or something... discuss the policies, agree to disagree, then move on to other subjects. And I've never witnessed anybody around here gloating when their party of choice wins an election, for that matter. Is there some cultural thing I'm missing?

meh, it's just americans methinks, they take everything really seriously

politics, religion, property etc... (i mean shootin some1 for stealin ur tv:confused: )

here in britain even religion and the fate of ur own soul is seen as a joke by many

i suppose it explains the huge political apathy over here

meh, to each his own i suppose

Well, I think I'll regret this, letting you know so much about my personal life.

My 15 year-old daughter is a high school cheerleader, but in a way she is like her father in that she is highly political and an independent thinker. I get the impression this particular high school is divided 50/50 in the political line.

Before the HOR / Senate race, her cheerleader squad made up a couple of cheers for when the Democrats take back the House and Senate. They were going to perform it if the Dems take back both houses.

The cheer is highly inflammatory in its lyrics (or the wording?), first by rubbing in the Democrat victory and then expressing various Liberal views on same-sex unions, taxes and the current state of affairs Iraq.

They are planning on making a public performance on school grounds sometime this week, in the morning before first period.

Knowing how some mature Republicans are taking this current lost (with much anger) I fear possible physical assault from young, aggressive Republican supporters who happen to be on campus.

How do I persuade my daughter not to take part in this little show?

No, I'm not sending you photos of my daughter!

They're not mature republicans if they're angry about losing these houses. They'd be happy that the politicians who are wiping their ideology through the mud are finally being made aware of their failings.

Sigh! Why weren't cheerleaders that sophisticated when I was in high-school?

Ever thought about teaching your daughter to fight fair, you know above the belt? It's basic equality really, two guys fight above the belt, and if women want to be considered equal to guys, then they should learn how to fight above the belt. *nod*

wait, coming from a guy who advocates gun ownership?

If a guy came at you with a knife would you refuse to shoot him because it's "not fair"?

The words "fair" and "fight" are mutually exclusive. If you're in a fight, you fight to win, and you win by disabling your adversary, even if that means kicking them square in the balls.

This ideotic machismo of "fight above the belt" is just that, idiotic. You don't fight for fun, and you don't fight to prove a point, you fight to defend yourself, and you do what you have to to accomplish that.

It is SO funny!
yeah, it really is. particularly, The Centurion. The Fez is favourite too.

When defending yourself from someone trying to beat you up, anything is fair.

Except if you're have it coming due to being an asshole beforehand.

I am offfended. Why do you consider that perverted?

I read that as "Why do you know I'm perverted?".

I read that as "Why do you know I'm perverted?".

That was a scientific post, that was. In order to analyze the threat level, one has to know the ability of her and her friends to defend themselves. Not to mention the possible addition of sexual motive to increase the damage.

Threat analysis requires much knowledge. Don't think it's perverted when it's just science.

Except if you're have it coming due to being an asshole beforehand.



You know the difference between being an asshole and assaulting someone?

I have the right to be an asshole to you. You have no right to place one finger on me.

I can by law exercise my constitutional right to free speech. However the minute you attempt to assault me, I will take every measure to defend myself, and make sure you feel pain.

Ever thought about teaching your daughter to fight fair, you know above the belt? It's basic equality really, two guys fight above the belt, and if women want to be considered equal to guys, then they should learn how to fight above the belt. *nod*


When defending yourself, you strike wherever you can until you are able to escape. Going any further would be unfair.

When defending yourself, you strike wherever you can until you are able to escape. Going any further would be unfair.

Not necessarily.

Escape=/= safety. You gotta make sure they don't get up before you can escape.

Ever thought about teaching your daughter to fight fair, you know above the belt? It's basic equality really, two guys fight above the belt, and if women want to be considered equal to guys, then they should learn how to fight above the belt. *nod*

We've already heard your opinion on this. Shut it.

heh, I often observed that the school-issued cheerleading outfits were in violation of the dress code. cheerleader wears a skirt you can practically see up and a tight shirt revealing clevage, and the school will *pay* for it. girl wears the same cut and size of clothing without the school mascot on it, she's sent to the vice-principle's office to get new clothes. I have a very low opinion of cheerleading, but that's just me.

Theres a reason for that, only the hot ones get to be cheerleaders;)

Theres a reason for that, only the hot ones get to be cheerleaders ;)

You almost say that like it's a bad thing.

You have no right to place one finger on me.

While this is true, I still question the idea to allow one's daughter to act like an idiot while at the same time telling her to kick the balls of anyone who attacks her afterwards. Even though the assault isn't justifiable.

...if I know you have a knife with you and equip myself with a gun, standing in front of you and provoking you until you attack me, I might shoot you in self defense, but that still doesn't shed a good light on me ;-)

political cheers are fine, as long as they support the good guys. of course if they were republican cheers then your daughter should be expelled for being a damn dirty bigot. I cant tell if im trolling or being sarcastic. time for bed I think.

If the school is happy to be a platform for political views then your daughter has every right to cheer, and be protected from angry republicans. free speech and whatnot.

Who says she has to?

I hope you're not serious.

Right?

Please tell me you're kidding.

Pushistymistan;11932147']I hope you're not serious.

Right?

Please tell me you're kidding.


This is NSG. That was a serious post.

or was it? I dunno. but it could very well have been serious...

While this is true, I still question the idea to allow one's daughter to act like an idiot while at the same time telling her to kick the balls of anyone who attacks her afterwards. Even though the assault isn't justifiable.

...if I know you have a knife with you and equip myself with a gun, standing in front of you and provoking you until you attack me, I might shoot you in self defense, but that still doesn't shed a good light on me ;-)

Were I a parent in these circumstances, I would inform my child of her rights to voice her opinion as much as she wishes. I would likewise inform her that while others may take offense, and that is their right, and may attempt to counter her ideas verbally, as is their right, at no point are they extended any right to touch her, and should they do so, I would also inform her that she has the right to defend herself in any way that would be reasonably to counter the assault.

So yes, i'd tell her she has the right to be an idiot, and give a good swift kick in the balls to anyone who tried to lay a hand on her.

My martial arts instructors always said never to go for the nuts, but not out of honor. Apparently, the pain doesn't travel fast enough to be debilitating to a really angry man. Further up the body is better -- throat or solar plxus. But, hey, if all she has free is a knee, better nuts than nothing.

More importantly, as someone else in this forum advised, never take advice from a forum.

Errr, wait a minute . . .