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To be a Jew in Denmark (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1162378339740&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)

It was Marcellus who asserted in the play Hamlet that "something is rotten in the state of Denmark," but one does not need the acumen of Shakespeare to discern that things have changed for the worse in the country that was once a symbol of European philo-Semitism.

As a result, the local Jewish community, which for decades could boast of the highest comfort level in Europe in terms of its acceptance, integration and absence of any deep-seated anti-Jewish hostility, now faces important battles on several fronts, not to mention a few extremely serious internal problems.

Upon arriving in the center of Copenhagen after an absence of a few years, one can immediately sense the palpable changes in the makeup of the population. Lily-white, blond Denmark has absorbed almost 200,000 Muslim immigrants from south Asia and north Africa over the past two decades and their physical presence is fairly pronounced in the streets of the capital; whether it is women and teenagers with various head-coverings, individuals whose skin color stands out in comparison to the rest of the local population, or the numerous fast-food stands selling shishlik and/or shishkebab.

Their arrival and the growing Islamic militancy of segments of this population have led to a worrying increase in anti-Semitic incidents in a country in which such incidents were practically unthinkable a few years ago. Jewish children are often the object of taunting and harassment by Muslim neighbors and there has been increasingly strident anti-Zionist rhetoric by local Muslim leaders in response to events in the Middle East.

Med Ryggen Mod Murren - With our Backs to the Wall - was the name of a day-long conference on anti-Semitism which I was invited to address. It reflects the deep angst among local Jews and supporters of Israel. Held in a hall in Christianborg, the Danish parliament, the program featured presentations on a wide range of topics related to contemporary anti-Semitism worldwide, Israel-bashing and Holocaust denial; but the dominant undercurrent was one of deep concern regarding the local situation.

TWO FORMER Israelis living in Denmark openly expressed their fears.

Tziyona, who works as a teacher in Copenhagen, and Elisheva, who lives in Jutland, spoke about their palpable concerns for their safety. The latter, for example, refuses to allow her teenage daughter to wear a Magen David necklace, although she herself does. When I humbly suggested that perhaps the time had come to return "home," she pointed to her Danish husband as if to say it wouldn't work.
A visit to the local Jewish school (Carolineskolen) only reinforced the sense of a community under pressure. The obvious security measures are a given, like practically everywhere else in Europe, but here in exchanges with the children, one felt their anxiety about prosaic matters. After a lecture on the life of Simon Wiesenthal (not a single student knew who he was!) and contemporary efforts to catch Nazi war criminals, my audience of eighth- and ninth-graders (there is no high school) were particularly interested in my views on anti-Semitism.

For them, as their teacher explained to me, this is no longer an abstract issue, but rather an omnipresent nuisance, if not an actual physical threat. Just recently some of the children were accosted by Muslim youths who knew they were Jewish since they had competed for a Jewish soccer team.

So the threats by Iranian President Ahmadinejad may sound scary, but the neighborhood Muslim bullies pose much more of an immediate problem.
On a visit to a friend who lives in the relatively tranquil suburb of Albertslund, my host, by no means a coward, warned me not to make eye-contact with a group of Muslim youths hanging out on a street corner on our way to his home. He also insisted on accompanying me back to my hotel since "People wearing a kippa are not necessarily safe these days in the city center."

Although the Jewish community is well-organized and relatively financially secure, its small numbers make local Jewish life less than appealing for many of its younger members. Add an extremely high intermarriage rate on the one hand and the aliya of many of the more committed Jewish youth raised in Denmark on the other, and the future of Danish Jewry does not appear very promising.

Or, as Hamlet himself asked in that same country: "To be or not to be, that is the question."

Well, this is basically brings to light the increasing hardships of being Jewish in the more and more Muslim Europe, whos Muslim immigrants dont share the values of liberalism, freedom of religion, and such. This is not limited to Denmark, but occurs (for Jews) in many other western/central European countries, to the point where more and more Jews are voting for far right parties, because they are the only parties speaking out against the problems associated with Islam in Europe.

What do you guys think about this?

I think you should ask this guy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11918516&postcount=75), not the rest of us who really have no idea.

Or write emails to the various Jewish councils in Europe and ask them. They'd be glad to answer your questions.

yes, you can see it happening now. everyone hating all these arabs just cuz they're muslim.

To be a Jew in Denmark (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1162378339740&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)



Well, this is basically brings to light the increasing hardships of being Jewish in the more and more Muslim Europe, whos Muslim immigrants to share the values of liberalism, freedom of religion, and such. This is not limited to Denmark, but occurs (for Jews) in many other western/central European countries, to the point where more and more Jews are voting for far right parties, because they are the only parties speaking out against the problems associated with Islam in Europe.

What do you guys think about this?
If they don't like it in Europe and don't want to go to Israel I'm sure they're welcome here in the USA. From my experience Jews tend to be good people and I'd be glad to welcome them as new neighbors.

Yes, but not greatly. I think that actions of Israel, and Jews whoa re seen to support them, are equally to blame. (Yes, I know that equating Jews with Israel is stupid, but then again, all anti-Semitism is stupid. A lot of people are stupid.)

The Muslims will assimilate with time. Western culture is far too appealing for anything else to occur.

I liked how the article didn't have any statistics or concrete evidence in it. Made me feel all warm and cozy. I'm not gonna deny that stuff like this doesn't occur but without any sort of real fact as opposed to anecdotal evidence, we can't really say whether or not the articles talking shit can we?

I also liked how the article casually associated anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. Very sly, very clever.

I liked how the article didn't have any statistics or concrete evidence in it. Made me feel all warm and cozy. I'm not gonna deny that stuff like this doesn't occur but without any sort of real fact as opposed to anecdotal evidence, we can't really say whether or not the articles talking shit can we?

I also liked how the article casually associated anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. Very sly, very clever.

You don't need statistics when you can describe the natives of a land as "lilly white" and the savage, barbaric immigrants as "individuals who's skin color stands out".

If they don't like it in Europe and don't want to go to Israel I'm sure they're welcome here in the USA. From my experience Jews tend to be good people and I'd be glad to welcome them as new neighbors.
I dont think its Europe that these Jews dont like, I think its their new neighbors which seem to make life all the more difficult and unpleasent for them.

To be a Jew in Denmark (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1162378339740&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)



Well, this is basically brings to light the increasing hardships of being Jewish in the more and more Muslim Europe, whos Muslim immigrants dont share the values of liberalism, freedom of religion, and such. This is not limited to Denmark, but occurs (for Jews) in many other western/central European countries, to the point where more and more Jews are voting for far right parties, because they are the only parties speaking out against the problems associated with Islam in Europe.

What do you guys think about this?

If the jews feel threatened they should just leave and move to Israel or Siberia or something and stop complaining.

It sounds to me that the main person segregating the Jews is themselves. And most people complain about muslims not integrating...

It sounds to me that the main person segregating the Jews is themselves. And most people complain about muslims not integrating...
Oh shut up, tool. Didnt you even read the article? "Although the Jewish community is well-organized and relatively financially secure, its small numbers make local Jewish life less than appealing for many of its younger members. Add an extremely high intermarriage rate on the one hand...":rolleyes:
If the jews feel threatened they should just leave and move to Israel or Siberia or something and stop complaining......and if the non-Jewish Danes feel threatend, (which many do, which is why the Danish Peoples Party, an anti-muslim party is so popular in Denmark) should they just leave and move to Siberia or Israel?:rolleyes:

These days, people use anti-Zionism as a euphemism for anti-Semitism. And things seem to be much better in the US. Not just less anti-Semitism, but more friendliness with the Muslim community.

Here's one example: This summer, a Muslim attacked the Jewish Federation building in Seattle, killing one woman. The Muslim community was very quick to condemn his actions, and Muslim leaders attended the funeral of Pamela Waechter, the woman who died (other attendees included Jews from across the religious spectrum, Christian leaders, the mayor of Seattle, and myself). I have not seen anyone attempting to justify the shooting.
Incidentally, the Muslim himself is apparently mentally unstable - bipolar, depressed, etc. - so this has not even been taken as an indication of anti-Semitism.

.....and if the non-Jewish Danes feel threatend, (which many do, which is why the Danish Peoples Party, an anti-muslim party is so popular in Denmark) should they just leave and move to Siberia or Israel?:rolleyes:

No, they should stop being xenophobes. The US has a Muslim population of about 10 million if not more yet it has no problems with Muslims. Why? Because the US is far more tolerant of religion than Europe. So if the Danes don't want to be fearful of Muslims I suggest they treat them not like 2nd class citizens creating unnecessary tension.

.. the Danish Peoples Party, an anti-muslim party is so popular in Denmark.I say Le Pen is more popular (than the Danish Racist Party).

I say Le Pen is more popular (than the Danish Racist Party).
Isn't the DPP more popular than Msieur Le Pen? If anything, Sarkozy is the French favourite.

Isn't the DPP more popular than Msieur Le Pen?.No

*hint* there is more people in France... ;)

No, they should stop being xenophobes. The US has a Muslim population of about 10 million if not more yet it has no problems with Muslims. Why? Because the US is far more tolerant of religion than Europe. So if the Danes don't want to be fearful of Muslims I suggest they treat them not like 2nd class citizens creating unnecessary tension.
Why are you comparing to America? I could just as easily say that Europe is actually good to its Muslims compared to India and Russia, who fight Muslims.....See how that drags off what we are talking about? No need to bring America into this.

Do you really not know why Danes are fearful of Muslims? Have you been living under a rock? Heres are some reasons why Jews, Danes and other Europeans are fearful of Muslims.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=11767

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11569485/site/newsweek/

No

*hint* there is more people in France... ;)
Lol way to employ a jeu de mots. :)

Why are you comparing to America? I could just as easily say that Europe is actually good to its Muslims compared to India and Russia, who fight Muslims.....See how that drags off what we are talking about? No need to bring America into this.
what not? because that would hurt your jewish agenda.
Do you really not know why Danes are fearful of Muslims? Have you been living under a rock? Heres are some reasons why Jews, Danes and other Europeans are fearful of Muslims.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=11767

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11569485/site/newsweek/

Lets see them make cartoons about Moses or jesus, then you can tell me that Europe and the danes aren't hostile to Muslims which in turns leads to anger among Muslims.

No

*hint* there is more people in France... ;)
Yes, but perhaps in comparison to how many people are in the country, Danish Peoples Party is more popular.

Why are you comparing to America? 2 words

free
speech

Lol way to employ a jeu de mots. :)
Glad you liked it.

what not? because that would hurt your jewish agenda.
Because there is a different geo-political climate in America. Just as there is a different climate in Russia and India than Europe. It doesnt work.

Lets see them make cartoons about Moses or jesus, then you can tell me that Europe and the danes aren't hostile to Muslims which in turns leads to anger among Muslims.
...Uh....people make cartoons with Jesus and Moses all the time. Havnt you ever watched Family Guy or American Dad or something funny like that? Also...Iran had a whole anti-semetic cartoon contest and a holocaust denail convention, and I didnt see Jews slaughtering Iranians and burning down the embassies and such.

..Uh....people make cartoons with Jesus and Moses all the time.or Holocaust Cartoons.

or Holocaust Cartoons.

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From what I have seen, most Muslim communities in Europe are hotbeds of radicalism, which lends itself to anti-Semitism.

This is merely an observation. I do not believe that it is in the nature of the Muslims, just what has happened in Europe.

From what I have seen, most Muslim communities in Europe are hotbeds of radicalism, which lends itself to anti-Semitism.

This is merely an observation. I do not believe that it is in the nature of the Muslims, just what has happened in Europe.

Where do you live and where have you noticed this?

(Not disagreeing with you, just wondering)

Where do you live (Goonswarm) ?I bet he is going to say something like North Dakota.

or Holocaust Cartoons.

Heh, this reminded me of something I read, I think it might have been here, about an art school in Israel where a group of the students in response to the Iran cartoon contest thing called on the other students to send in cartoons to the contest, because they didn't wan't to let anyoone do a beter job out of making fun of jews then they do themselves. No idea if it had any truth to it, but it was funny all the same.

Add an extremely high intermarriage rate [/B]on the one hand..."[/I]:rolleyes

How are the Muslims at fault for the Jews assimilating into the non-Jewish Danish population? :confused:

If the jews feel threatened they should just leave and move to Israel or Siberia or something and stop complaining.Or just drop their mental disease called Judaism.
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Or just drop their mental disease called Judaism.
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So...


...flaming, huh? How's that working out for you?

So...


...flaming, huh? How's that working out for you?It does not need to work out for me.
If you took a more thorough look at Judaism, its origins and its implications, you would come to the same conclusion. Judaism was created out of a tiny group's inferiority complex against the real high cultures of ancient times. They were just copying whatever theology and ideology they could find and made them into their own small monotheistic heresy that would upvalue and elevate them over the rest of humanity. And Christianity as well as Islam just continued this arrogant attitude. Look at history.
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It does not need to work out for me.
If you took a more thorough look at Judaism, its origins and its implications, you would come to the same conclusion. Judaism was created out of a tiny group's inferiority complex against the real high cultures of ancient times. They were just copying whatever theology and ideology they could find and made them into their own small monotheistic heresy that would upvalue and elevate them over the rest of humanity. And Christianity as well as Islam just continued this arrogant attitude. Look at history.
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Possibly old chum, but calling Judaism (And indeed any religion), a mental disease really isn't that good of an idea on these forums. I mean, I'm no huge fan of religion myself, but to essentially call several billion people 'diseased' is rather...flame-y.

Possibly old chum, but calling Judaism (And indeed any religion), a mental disease really isn't that good of an idea on these forums. I mean, I'm no huge fan of religion myself, but to essentially call several billion people 'diseased' is rather...flame-y.What else would you call them? Mentally poisoned? And btw I was not refering to any religion, but to those that are rooted in the distorted Jewish perspecitve on Enki/Ea/Yah.
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What else would you call them? Mentally poisoned?
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How about 'People'? Just because religious people believe in some sort of higher power doesn't automatically make them insane or mentally deficent. Odd, perhaps, or perhaps even gullible. But to call them mentally deficent is just stupid.

How about 'People'? Just because religious people believe in some sort of higher power doesn't automatically make them insane or mentally deficent. Odd, perhaps, or perhaps even gullible. But to call them mentally deficent is just stupid.Oh, the religions based on Judaism consist of more than just the belief in "some sort of higher power". They propagate a very unique system of assumptions about their god and they also propagate a certain view of man and his value depending on descent and faith.
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Oh, the religions based on Judaism consist of more than just believing in "some sort of higher power".
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Why do I get the feeling that a conversation on 'The Protocols of the Elder Zions' is coming up very shortly?

If they don't like it in Europe and don't want to go to Israel I'm sure they're welcome here in the USA. From my experience Jews tend to be good people and I'd be glad to welcome them as new neighbors.

Then again...

"Throw the Jew down the well, so my country can be free!"

I dont think its Europe that these Jews dont like, I think its their new neighbors which seem to make life all the more difficult and unpleasent for them.

And I think a lot of the reason some might feel uncomfortable is by the hype, bullshit and semi-racist hate mongering of a few fuck wits whose grasp on the facts is questionable.

If they don't like it in Europe and don't want to go to Israel I'm sure they're welcome here in the USA. From my experience Jews tend to be good people and I'd be glad to welcome them as new neighbors.

Then again...

"Throw the Jew down the well, so my country can be free!"hmmm

DCD is welcoming you to the USA with open arms.
and.. you are equate that with "Throwing you down the well"

????

hmm
DCD is welcoming you the the USA with open arms.. and you are equating that with "Throwing you down the well"

????Yeah, drowning in a flood of gentiles...
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People say that is Islamic radicalism is growing among Europe's Muslims, nonsense. Islamic radicalism is growing among Europe's male teenaged Muslims, by that I mean that it is simply a phase, eventually these kids who torment Jews will grow up, realise that they have been assholes and learn how to live in peace with their surroundings.

Radicalism is a phase of growing up, it is deliberate media manipulation to say that this radicalism is indicative of a trend that threatens to engulf the continent.

hmm
DCD is welcoming you the the USA with open arms.. and you are equating that with "Throwing you down the well"

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It's a reference to Borat. Sacha Baron Cohen overturns the American assumption that they are somehow superhumanly tolerant by going to a bar in character and singing a Country Western song including the verse 'in my country there is problem / and that problem is the jew ... throw the jew down the well / so my country can be free', the audience seem hesitant at first, but eventually the whole audience is guided along by Borat into enthusiastically singing along.

Sacha Baron Cohen overturns the American assumption that they are somehow superhumanly tolerant by going to a bar in character and singing a Country Western song...-as long as you keep in mind- Its just a movie.

Yeah, drowning in a flood of gentiles...
.Creating Israel in the hearth of Arabland?

Creating Israel in the hearth of Arabland?For one. But generally having Israel (the old and the new one) in mind anywhere.

btw you surely meant heart? Or what hearth do you speak of?
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For one. But generally having Israel (the old and the new one) in mind anywhere.

btw you surely meant heart? Or what hearth do you speak of?
.yes, I meant heart.

thx

Then again...

"Throw the Jew down the well, so my country can be free!"

Dude, in New Jersey there aren't many bars where you could sing that without a Jew or two objecting. In fact, I only know one bar where you'd get away with it for sure. It's frequented by some skinheads.

Yeah, drowning in a flood of gentiles...
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Not necessarily. Ever go to Lakewood, NJ? Jews as far as the eye can see. It looks like someone lifted an Israeli city out of the middle east and moved it to New Jersey. There are communities like that in the northeast USA and I think also on the west coast.
Lakewood is one of the hubs of Orthodox Judaism and is home to one of the largest yeshivas in the world. The large Orthodox population wields considerable political clout in Lakewood Township, commanding a block of about 10,000 votes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakewood,_New_Jersey

From what I have seen, most Muslim communities in Europe are hotbeds of radicalism, which lends itself to anti-Semitism.

No.

Of course, the more radical, fundamentalist islamic groups in Europe make the front page of many newspapers, while integrated islamic communities do not even appear, even in the local news. That's why you are under the impression that muslim communities in Europe are a bunch of criminals: it is because bad news make the newspapers sell more, to put it in a nutshell, fear sells better than peace.

Right-wing parties gaining more support each day from the jewish communities, that's an effect of it. The jews' fear is easily exploited by right-wing parties - even those parties who almost directly stem from the nazi-fascist parties of WW2 .
example:
Alleanza Nazionale, Italy is the offspring of Mussolini's Partito Nazionale Fascista. AN's leader, Gianfranco Fini, used his role as Italy's FM in the Berlusconi cabinet to visit Israel and "clean" his party's image from the fascist heritage - anyway, any visit to AN-linked websites, can tell you that they still worship Mussolini and the fascist regime.
It surprises me that many jews don't recognise that they're being exploited by the heirs of those who killed their grandfathers in the Holocaust. Stupid people can be found everywhere, alas!

Anyway, most muslims throughout Europe are just making the same path any other immigrant makes: initially they live in a ghetto and cannot integrate, because of difference of language and tradition and the locals' xenophobia (quite normal). In some time (two or three generations) they become integrated.
example: the italian immigrants to the US. Initially all Italians lived in the same area (Little Italy, anyone?) - thus making it a sort of ghetto. Then the Mafia - the "italian=mafioso" stereotype still holds, doesn't it? Not different from the "muslim=terrorist" stereotype. Also WASP xenophobia - italians stink of garlic was one of the nicer ones. Religious issues: in many southern US states, since the italians were catholic, they were target of suspect, hate and even physical attacks. But, who's the only Mayor of N.Y. whose name was given to an aiport? Italian Fiorello La Guardia. And everyone knows about Mario Cuomo and Rudy Giuliani - they're examples of how the italians, in time, have integrated in the US society. This will happen with the muslims in Europe, too: it will take some more time, because of greater differences of culture and religion, but it will eventually happen.

Some influential people are also working very well to lessen the problems linked to the presence of the islamic religion in Europe. Cardinale Dionigi Tettamanzi, archbishop of Milan (the largest catholic diocesis, and also a city with a huge muslim immigration), holds very often inter-religious talks between all religious groups of Milan: Catholics, Lutherans, Calvinists, Valdesi (an ancient haeresis of northern Italy), Rumanian and Greek Orthodoxes, Egyptian Christians (Copti ???), Ashkenazy and Sefardite Jews - more or less orthodox , Shia and Sunni Muslims, Sikhs, various Buddhist groups... and the thing looks like it's working well.

yes, I meant heart.

thx

Wouldn't the heart be around Mecca and Medina?

Wouldn't the heart be around Mecca and Medina?No. The heart of Arabland has always been considered the region around Damascus, from where the Umayyads used to rule. Mecca and Medina are at the heart of the Muslim world.
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-as long as you keep in mind- Its just a movie.

It's not acting. Well, Cohen acts as Borat, but everything else is 100% not acted or staged.

No. The heart of Arabland has always been considered the region around Damascus, from where the Umayyads used to rule. Mecca and Medina are at the heart of the Muslim world.
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Oh, so the heart of Arabland is old Christian territory.

Oh, so the heart of Arabland is old Christian territory.And? Any problem with Arabs being Christians before the arrival of Islam?
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And? Any problem with Arabs being Christians before the arrival of Islam?
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No, it's just that in my mind Arabs are so associated with Islam that it seems weird.

It's not acting. Well, Cohen acts as Borat, but everything else is 100% not acted or staged.dude.. sometimes even some "News" reporters do staged stuff..

No, it's just that in my mind Arabs are so associated with Islam that it seems weird.Adjust your mind then ;)
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what not? because that would hurt your jewish agenda.


Lets see them make cartoons about Moses or jesus, then you can tell me that Europe and the danes aren't hostile to Muslims which in turns leads to anger among Muslims.


Greetings

We, the Danes, makes cartoons and pictures about everything including Jesus, Moses, the royal familie, the PM , etc. etc. .

One artist ( Jens Jørgen Thorsen ) painted a vey big picture of Jesus on a cross with a giant hard on, so please don´t pretend that you know how things
are here in Denmark. He also made a movie about Jesus which wasn´t very popular with the christians.

Off course some were offended but he did not have to live under cover and he was never threatened on his live.

Resently a morningpaper in Copenhagen send a reporter through a part of Copenhagen called Nørrebro with a jewish hat on his head, just to se what happened. He was spitted at and threatened by immigrants and had to leave the nabohood without the hat on his head. Not very tolerant!

Good behavior and tolerance works both ways

dude.. sometimes even some "News" reporters do staged stuff..

Yeah, like in the documentary Pallywood. The Palestinian "news" reporters stage fake killiings, even massacres and coach the people they interview to lie when the camera is rolling.

So...


...flaming, huh? How's that working out for you?
how is it flaming?

Greetings

We, the Danes, makes cartoons and pictures about everything including Jesus, Moses, the royal familie, the PM , etc. etc. .

One artist ( Jens Jørgen Thorsen ) painted a vey big picture of Jesus on a cross with a giant hard on, so please don´t pretend that you know how things
are here in Denmark. He also made a movie about Jesus which wasn´t very popular with the christians.

Off course some were offended but he did not have to live under cover and he was never threatened on his live.

Resently a morningpaper in Copenhagen send a reporter through a part of Copenhagen called Nørrebro with a jewish hat on his head, just to se what happened. He was spitted at and threatened by immigrants and had to leave the nabohood without the hat on his head. Not very tolerant!

Good behavior and tolerance works both ways
Yes, I agree! Thank you for your imput! Please, post my often. Soveitstan..Ocean...East of Nod....you guys see what this guy wrote?

Yes, I agree! Thank you for your imput! Please, post my often. Soveitstan..Ocean...East of Nod....you guys see what this guy wrote?

More arguments in favor of your "n00k t3h eb1l |\/|0zl3|\/| 80rg ⌐0113⌐71\/3" diatribe. There's a surprise. Deep Kimchi and New Mitanni absolutely adore you.

More arguments in favor of your "n00k t3h eb1l |\/|0zl3|\/| 80rg ⌐0113⌐71\/3" diatribe. There's a surprise. Deep Kimchi and New Mitanni absolutely adore you.
Yes well, I have to get my support from somewhere. :D

Anyway, since this is a Danish article, discussing Danish sociology and such, and the person I was quoting is a Dane, couldnt it be atleast a LITTLE possible that he knows what hes talking about?