NationStates Jolt Archive

And they are back. Take a close look at exactly who won and who lost in yesterdays Elections (America) and you will see something that goes beyond your general Republican and Democrat as well as the Iraq War. The old Blue Dog Democrats have come back and are in positions of power. The liberal Republicans of the Northeast were almost cleaned out, but elsewhere in the country, moderate to even conservative Republicans were replaced by conservative, pro-life, pro-gun, pro business, anti-taxes, anti gay marriage and pro God and Country Democrats which were thought to be extinct. Social Conservative propositions such as bans on Gay marriage, limits on affirmative action and anti-illegal immigration laws were passed all over the country.

If Bush has any true leadership skills (which for the sake of the country I hope he does) he will reach out to these newly elected democrats (many of them former republicans) and build a coalition which can limit spending, encourage growth and refocus our efforts in Iraq. Reagan accomplished this, even Clinton was able to work with Newt Gingrich, let's see if Bush can take the initiative and do the same.

As for Republicans, though I personally do not like the idea of Pelosi, Conyers, Rengal, etc. moving into leadership positions, I feel they were drunk with power and needed this wake up call. I wonder how long Pelosi will be able to keep the new Democrats on her leash before they start to resist her agenda? It is going to be a relatively interesting couple of years in the Congress.

So the Neocons took a big hit, but a type of Neo-Democrat has emerged in their place.

and Lieberman is still in power after pounding the poster boy for the left-wing cut and run from Iraq movement. Lieberman is now not alone anymore and bipartisanship might actually be accomplished.

Until you see the voting patterns in Congress of these new Democrat Representatives/Senators that will be difficult to really prove one way or the other.

I'm glad the Ne-Cons took a hit, maybe now we can get some real Conservative back in there.

I'm glad the Ne-Cons took a hit, maybe now we can get some real Conservative back in there.

Neocon is just another way to say Fascist.

Neocon is just another way to say Fascist.

I wouldn't go that far, but yea, they do suck.

I wouldn't go that far, but yea, they do suck.

I would. Who was the last President who had this much disregard for the law and for standard operating procedure?

I would. Who was the last President who had this much disregard for the law and for standard operating procedure?

Johnson? Nixon? Reagan? Each had their own disregard for law and procedures.

Johnson? Nixon? Reagan? Each had their own disregard for law and procedures.

OK, fair enough. Reagan's disregard was mainly in foreign policy, it seems (Iran-Contra.) Nixon...good answer. Johnson I can't speak for. A lot of what FDR tried to do that was illegal was shot down (yes, he ran for a third term, but no one said he couldn't.) Nixon actually considered the idea of ignoring the 22nd Amendment and seeking more terms in office; however, when Watergate came crashing down on him, he wouldn't have had a chance.

Bush...well, the fact that he put a bunch of things that aren't really quite Constitutional into the Patriot Act and insists on running wiretaps without a warrant shows his disregared for the law. Oh yeah, and there's the whole detention of prisoners without a charge. Bush is just a lot more in-your-face about it than most.

Until you see the voting patterns in Congress of these new Democrat Representatives/Senators that will be difficult to really prove one way or the other.

But we have seen the voting patterns of the libs. They are pro-tax, anti-business, and will undoubtedly pass an immigration amnesty bill.

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seriously, is there like a mailing list that distributes this crap to you guys?

But we have seen the voting patterns of the libs. They are pro-tax, anti-business, and will undoubtedly pass an immigration amnesty bill.

Read the OP, he's trying to say the new Democrat Congressmen and Senators ARN'T liberals.

Read the OP, he's trying to say the new Democrat Congressmen and Senators ARN'T liberals.

though oddly enough, just a few days ago the fascists were saying that every single one of those people were so 'liberal' that they would outlaw religion and force everyone to have abortions, etc. amazing how quickly the line changes, no?

here's what i see - for the first time in, um, possibly ever there is a socialist in the u.s. senate.

I would. Who was the last President who had this much disregard for the law and for standard operating procedure?

Honest Abe?

Honest Abe?

maybe. though at least he had a half plausible excuse.

Johnson? Nixon? Reagan? Each had their own disregard for law and procedures.

Roosevelt, Wilson, Taft, Roosevelt, McKinley, Johnson, Lincoln and Jacson too.

I thought this was a nice bit of spin. "We ... we didn't lose, they just elected ... Reagan Democrats! Yeah, that's it, they're really Republicans in disguise!" Better than "You didn't win, we lost!" in some ways.

And they are back. Take a close look at exactly who won and who lost in yesterdays Elections (America) and you will see something that goes beyond your general Republican and Democrat as well as the Iraq War. The old Blue Dog Democrats have come back and are in positions of power. The liberal Republicans of the Northeast were almost cleaned out, but elsewhere in the country, moderate to even conservative Republicans were replaced by conservative, pro-life, pro-gun, pro business, anti-taxes, anti gay marriage and pro God and Country Democrats which were thought to be extinct. Social Conservative propositions such as bans on Gay marriage, limits on affirmative action and anti-illegal immigration laws were passed all over the country.

If Bush has any true leadership skills (which for the sake of the country I hope he does) he will reach out to these newly elected democrats (many of them former republicans) and build a coalition which can limit spending, encourage growth and refocus our efforts in Iraq. Reagan accomplished this, even Clinton was able to work with Newt Gingrich, let's see if Bush can take the initiative and do the same.

As for Republicans, though I personally do not like the idea of Pelosi, Conyers, Rengal, etc. moving into leadership positions, I feel they were drunk with power and needed this wake up call. I wonder how long Pelosi will be able to keep the new Democrats on her leash before they start to resist her agenda? It is going to be a relatively interesting couple of years in the Congress.

So the Neocons took a big hit, but a type of Neo-Democrat has emerged in their place.

and Lieberman is still in power after pounding the poster boy for the left-wing cut and run from Iraq movement. Lieberman is now not alone anymore and bipartisanship might actually be accomplished.


Hear Hear and Amen Brother..!!

2008,... It'll be Reagan all over again.


Leftist Democrats are incapable of leading Regan Democrats, and both the Leftist Dem's and Reagan Dem's know that.

Reagan Democrats will allow themselves to be led by Reagan Republicans.

What does that scenario sound like to you?

I thought this was a nice bit of spin. "We ... we didn't lose, they just elected ... Reagan Democrats! Yeah, that's it, they're really Republicans in disguise!" Better than "You didn't win, we lost!" in some ways.

The question, Farn, is whether it's an accurate assesment.

If you're so sure of your position that it's an illegitimate argument, prove it wrong.

IE Put up or shut up.


Unless your like me, and would rather simply make unsupportable yet plausible statements and see how people react to them. :)

But we have seen the voting patterns of the libs. They are pro-tax, anti-business, and will undoubtedly pass an immigration amnesty bill.

Awww your free ride is over?

immigration? I think you will see the shrubs plan getting a look at again. There is now room to have things that both sides like....

The Demos in power is great because now oversight will return.

Anything is better than crazed Republicans. Not-so-crazed Republicans, Reagan Democrats, Democrats - these are all better than far right Republicans. Abortion is safe (for the most part), gay marriage is something that can't be stopped (though it probably won't gain any speed for a while), the problems of the Iraq war will be seen to.

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how are you still here?