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I'm sure this has been done before, but meh.


For me it's Soheran. Intelligent, rational, level-headed, uses facts and reasons and not a firebrand temper to get his point across, sticks to his principles, and is respectful of other NSers no matter how farfetched their views may be or how wayward their conduct is.

Which opposing views NSer do you think the most highly of?

I like Soheran too, actually. I think he's a pretty swell and intelligent person.

Probably one of the level-headed women. WYTYG, Smunkee, someone like that...

I'd say Bodies Without Organs, among those who are still around. Xenophobialand is a close second.

Lunatic Goofballs.

Too many of his jokes are about self harm, while I'm more about nailing others. Still, I respect a man who can take one for the team.

In the politics of practical jokes, natch.

I like Soheran too, actually. I think he's a pretty swell and intelligent person.

He is. He's the kind of guy I wouldn't mind kicking back with on my front porch and sharing a (cordial) argument with over cold beers.

Still too new to the 'club'; don't feel as if I 'know' anyone that well yet...

I'm still waiting to be called a Bushevite / Fascist / Troll....maybe I'm not trying hard enough ??? :(

He is. He's the kind of guy I wouldn't mind kicking back with on my front porch and sharing a (cordial) argument with over cold beers.

I concur.

Still too new to the 'club'; don't feel as if I 'know' anyone that well yet...

I'm still waiting to be called a Bushevite / Fascist / Troll....maybe I'm not trying hard enough ??? :(

Bushevite!

Fascist!

Troll!

The wait is over. :D

Bushevite!

Fascist!

Troll!

The wait is over. :D

<< sobs tears of joy.

"You LOVE me !! You REALLY love me !!"

"I AM SOMEBODY !!!" :) :)

Bushevite!


Bushevik, dude, not Bushevite. You have to use the proper rhetoric to get him used to the insults that will be flying his way.

<< sobs tears of joy.

"You LOVE me !! You REALLY love me !!"

"I AM SOMEBODY !!!" :) :)

*hugs*

Welcome to the family. :p

*gives Todsboro a beer*

Soheran...I've had some absolutely thought-provoking discussions, and I do believe that he has changed my views on some issues.

I respect most of my opponents; because I've named most of the rest of them in prior threads, I'll name one who's recently been a very frustrating opponent, and in a way that is to his credit: Vittos the City Sacker.

Soheran, definetely.

Just because I'm a nationalist and she's (he's?) an anarchist doesn't mean I can't repsect her (him?).

Damn! I wanted to say Soheran! :(

As far as politics rather than economics is concerned though, that's a little bit more difficult...hmmm...weird for me to say this, but it might actually be Deep Kimchi. Sometimes (few and far between) he said very insightful things. really practical things. I think that's when his real personality shone through, rather than this trollish thing he created on the web.

Another one for Soheran here. Hmm, maybe you should have just made this a poll. Soheran actually convinced me of the validity of aurguments that I had never before taken seriously. I dont reply to him much, but read him quite often. He can also suffer fools with far more patience than me.

Everyone loves Soheran. :)

*hugs*

Welcome to the family. :p

*gives Todsboro a beer*

*hugs back* // *pushes away, "Dude !! I don't swing that way !!"*

**chugs beer, belches; eyes cross**

***focken Lybs ist da Debul, smelliey-patchouli hyppies...*** :p

*BELCH*

(Sorry, bad day, the only guy I voted for who won ran unopposed. At least I saw it comin'.)

Everyone loves Soheran. :)

No, not "everybody."

People who count me as a friend have always been low in number, an exclusive, marginalized group looked upon by everyone else as abnormal.

Except here. I'm honestly mystified.

(And it's a "he.")

Probably Smunkee. While I could never agree with a lot of her politics, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that she believes them for all the right reasons, and is an admirable person.

I like Wilgrove, cause he never descends into petty name-calling or bickering over minor points.

I like Wilgrove, cause he never descends into petty name-calling or bickering over minor points.

'Tis how I strive to be. That's why I have my pets; I can always win a name-calling contest with them (my vocabulary pwns theirs).

Which opposing views NSer do you think the most highly of?

how opposed do we need to get?

I would have to say:

Daistallia 2104

Smunkee.

I would have to say:

Daistallia 2104

What? No mention of Corny?

Why has no-one said MeansToAnEnd yet, that's what I'd like to know.

Why has no-one said MeansToAnEnd yet, that's what I'd like to know.

Yes its very strange. :rolleyes:

What? No mention of Corny?
Ummm the keyword was respect? :p

Hard for me to say. Honestly, I rarely read who posts what, just the posts. I usually get the feel for who's posting which posts, without registering the names much. And when I do, its usually the flamebaiters, etc.

My views are also a bit out there, so most people have moderate disagreements with me. Being an extremist is like the opposite end of being a moderate! It makes no sense!

Ummm the keyword was respect? :p

Oh! I missed that word!

*coughs*

In a way I can respect IDF.

Havn't been here that long. But so far, Soviestan.

I feel like Rodney Dangerfield over here. ;)

Still too new to the 'club'; don't feel as if I 'know' anyone that well yet...

I'm still waiting to be called a Bushevite / Fascist / Troll....maybe I'm not trying hard enough ??? :(

Meh, you none, as you are respectable.

From what I have read of you, though, you are quite sensible. Unlike some, who shall not be named.

Soheran
bottle

These are my top two for those I respect with differing views to mine that I have recently noticed from reading threads. Though as I don't post much, always arrive too late to threads to get involved in the good arguments/debates.

bottle is my top one currently as I find some of her views the most infuriating while her arguments for her views are sound.

Which opposing views NSer do you think the most highly of?

You, actually. While i'm sure we would disagree on many things, I consider your views to be reasonable and certainly not worthy of emnity. Your posts never make me roll my eyes (which is certainly a good sign :p), and you demonstrate an actual understanding of ideologies that are different from your own (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11838490#post11838490), rather than simply resorting to preconceived and cliched notions - a sure sign of an intelligent mind. Plus, you generally seem like a pretty nice guy. :)


Others worthy of note (not counting lefties who I share basic ideals with, but differ on the means of execution and possibly end-goals) are Daistallia 2104, Bottle, Vittos Ordination (or whatever moniker he's going by now), Neu Leonstein and The Nazz. I'm sure there are others, though.

Hm. I like Vittos the City Sacker and Dissonant Cognition, but I'm not certain how opposed to me their views are...I'm thinking the reason I like them is because their views aren't too too opposed. So, instead, I will say it alternates between Vetalia, Neu Leonstein, and Llewdor.
There are other righties, such as Congo-Kinshasa and Europa Maxima, but I don't find myself debating with them too often, though they also show promise.

As far as social issues go...hm...well, Jocabia and I clashed on an abortion-related topic, so I will name him.

I can never keep track of who I disagree with on what. So I love everybody!

I have steered clear of political debate in this incarnation, but respect as always goes to Pure Metal for the ability to keep the discussions honest.

(And D'Homme for being a true ideologist)

It's gotta be MeansToAnEnd.

I think I argue with everyone about something at some point.

So ... I guess all of you ... but especially Jesussaves. I sure miss that guy. Oh, and JohnnyWadd ... he was awesome ... awesome to the max.

I disagree with most people here, as I find almost everyone of you to be trapped in either an anglocentric or heterosexist worldview, which is something I can never "respect," so...

I dont keep a notebook of people that impress or disgust me in here.

One person that I cant forget that has consistantly earned my respect on several occasions is Grave n Idle. No petty bullshit there. And often opposes my viewpoint. Has often brought facts to the table I hadnt been aware of and made me re-evaluate my positions on things.
Without name calling and other stupidity.

Most others would earn my punching their face if we were in person.

With Grave n Idle, I'd be buying the next round.

I disagree with most people here, as I find almost everyone of you to be trapped in either an anglocentric or heterosexist worldview, which is something I can never "respect," so...

And, perhaps oddly enough, this is the guy I've always repsected the most here.

I disagree with most people here, as I find almost everyone of you to be trapped in either an anglocentric or heterosexist worldview, which is something I can never "respect," so...
I'm often guilty of the first, but I at least can sympathize with your frustration on the second.

I haven't yet met anybody around here who didn't have at least a few political views opposed to my own. I respect Graves, Demi, Joc, Steph, Smunkee, Keruvalia, and more that I'm sure I'm forgetting.

As a matter of fact, I hate these threads, because they prey upon my poor ability to remember names, and make me look like a jackass for forgetting to mention people I like/respect. Curses.

I dont keep a notebook of people that impress or disgust me in here.

One person that I cant forget that has consistantly earned my respect on several occasions is Grave n Idle. No petty bullshit there. And often opposes my viewpoint. Has often brought facts to the table I hadnt been aware of and made me re-evaluate my positions on things.
Without name calling and other stupidity.

Most others would earn my punching their face if we were in person.

With Grave n Idle, I'd be buying the next round.

And with any luck I'll be drinking it ;)

Well... I guess I don't need to be respected by Fass to respect him (or try to anyway), so Fass it is.

You make me laugh my ass off on a regular basis. Don't run off for long periods again mate. You're half the reason I keep comming back here.

Ummm I dunno, is it right to talk of respecting people that one has never meet.
Has respect got to be earnt?

I like talkin' with Smunkee, and bottle, and perhaps even that strange VFiking person(sorry name escapes me) Heh Hell I just like talkin', venting, argueing. So I guess me answer would be anybody that wants to get into it with me!:eek:

And, perhaps oddly enough, this is the guy I've always repsected the most here.

My commiserations.

I'm often guilty of the first, but I at least can sympathize with your frustration on the second.

It's OK - you know your faults, and that's the first step to rectifying them. ;)

I haven't yet met anybody around here who didn't have at least a few political views opposed to my own. I respect Graves, Demi, Joc, Steph, Smunkee, Keruvalia, and more that I'm sure I'm forgetting.

Respect is a funny word. One or two of those you mention are people I like, but do I respect their stances? The pause I need to consider if I do should be answer enough.

As a matter of fact, I hate these threads, because they prey upon my poor ability to remember names, and make me look like a jackass for forgetting to mention people I like/respect. Curses.

Ah, but one of my many reasons not to condone these threads of popularity/ignominy.

My commiserations.

No shite, huh? ;)

And with any luck I'll be drinking it ;)

Well, yes- a pint is better than a punch, in most cases.

Respect is a funny word. One or two of those you mention are people I like, but do I respect there stances? The pause I need to consider if I do should be answer enough.

I can respect an individual even if I do not respect some of their choices or beliefs.


Ah, but one of my many reasons not to condone these threads of popularity/ignominy.
I don't really condone them either, it's just that I'm an attention whore who can't help but enjoy a good ego-stroking. ;)

Respect is a funny word. One or two of those you mention are people I like, but do I respect there stances? The pause I need to consider if I do should be answer enough.

"Respect" is not half as funny as "mishugina", but nonetheless ....

Different cultures, different nations, different backgrounds, upbringings, etc etc. Once all of that is taken into account, who has time to worry about respect?

I'm more concerned about whether someone actually *believes* what they say rather than what they're saying. Someone once told me that wisdom is not in the answer, but the question.

Well, yes- a pint is better than a punch, in most cases.

Beer>knuckle sammich

Gruenberg, though he's not seen much 'round here. Nor am I.* ... Where the fuck am I anyway? :eek:

* and it's a good thing (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11918947&postcount=44) too.

I'm often guilty of the first, but I at least can sympathize with your frustration on the second.

I haven't yet met anybody around here who didn't have at least a few political views opposed to my own. I respect Graves, Demi, Joc, Steph, Smunkee, Keruvalia, and more that I'm sure I'm forgetting.

As a matter of fact, I hate these threads, because they prey upon my poor ability to remember names, and make me look like a jackass for forgetting to mention people I like/respect. Curses.

Surely, you've forgotten my name?

Ah, but one of my many reasons not to condone these threads of popularity/ignominy.

Indeed.

"Respect" is not half as funny as "mishugina", but nonetheless ....

Yiddish does have a nice assortment of funny-sounding words. :)

Gruenberg, though he's not seen much 'round here. Nor am I.* ... Where the fuck am I anyway? :eek:

* and it's a good thing (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11918947&postcount=44) too.

You're in...

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Andaluciae, Potarius, and Vetalia all have different political views than me and I respect all three a great deal. In fact, I often confuse with whom I've had different debates because all three strike me as extremely similar in regards to the manner with which they conduct themselves.

"Respect" is not half as funny as "mishugina", but nonetheless ....

Don't kvetch, schlemiel.

Different cultures, different nations, different backgrounds, upbringings, etc etc. Once all of that is taken into account, who has time to worry about respect?

I'm more concerned about whether someone actually *believes* what they say rather than what they're saying. Someone once told me that wisdom is not in the answer, but the question.

I tend to be more concerned about the opposite, that some people actually do believe what they spout, but that's just the incredulous me.

Surely, you've forgotten my name?
DAMN YOU, POPULARITY THREADS!!!

Yes.

Don't kvetch, schlemiel.

A bi gezunt, bubbala.

I tend to be more concerned about the opposite, that some people actually do believe what they spout, but that's just the incredulous me.

Yes, but that's wherein lies the comedy. It's all about the chuckles, the smiles, the little bits of good cheer.

I don't really condone them either, it's just that I'm an attention whore who can't help but enjoy a good ego-stroking. ;)

Oh, Bottle, you are like a shooting star, you shine brighter than them all.

Oh, Bottle, you are like a shooting star, you shine brighter than them all.
*Purring*

Oh, Bottle, you are like a shooting star, you shine brighter than them all.

Shooting stars, though, are not long-lived.

A bi gezunt, bubbala.

Gay ga zinta hate, faygala.

Yes, but that's wherein lies the comedy. It's all about the chuckles, the smiles, the little bits of good cheer.

*hallmark moment*

Shooting stars, though, are not long-lived.

Bottle is the exception that confirms the rule.

DAMN YOU, POPULARITY THREADS!!!

Yes.

*L* I was kidding and expecting harsh ridicule.


I never want popularity- I like to be a shadow in people's subconscious better.

Bottle is the exception that confirms the rule.
Oh my god, you actually used that phrase correctly.

*Swoon*

Bottle is the exception that confirms the rule.

Riiiiight...

Shooting stars, though, are not long-lived.
All I ask is to be the absolute center of the universe for one little century. After that, I can die happy.

All I ask is to be the absolute center of the universe for one little century. After that, I can die happy.

:rolleyes:

Oh my god, you actually used that phrase correctly.

You'd expect anything less from me?

*Swoon*

And so graceful in accepting compliments, too.

All I ask is to be the absolute center of the universe for one little century. After that, I can die happy.

You'd have to be mighty obese to have that type of gravity.

I get this more slender image of you.

There aren't many people here that I can't agree on something with, I agree with Fass about not smacking kids, I agree with Bottle about not lying to your kids about their bodies and reproduction and such, I agree with Grave about not blindly following your faith, etc.

I guess the one person that I can't really agree with anything about, yet respect is Pure Metal, we are way opposite about just about everything, and even though we haven't been in a debate in months......I am pretty sure I remember him being patient and quite polite through the whole thing last time we were.

There aren't many people here that I can't agree on something with, I agree with Fass about not smacking kids, I agree with Bottle about not lying to your kids about their bodies and reproduction and such, I agree with Grave about not blindly following your faith, etc.

Dammit, you're one of those "glass is half full" people. I talked about how I tend to disagree with pretty much everybody from time to time, but you view it as how you agree with pretty much everybody from time to time! :D

You'd expect anything less from me?

At this point, I just expect less from humanity in general. (Or humanity in General, if you like.)


And so graceful in accepting compliments, too.
It's not easy to be graceful when you've got an ego like a rampaging rhino, I tell you what.

Dammit, you're one of those "glass is half full" people. I talked about how I tend to disagree with pretty much everybody from time to time, but you view it as how you agree with pretty much everybody from time to time! :D
it comes from my training as a marriage counselor, they say "find one speck of common ground and build on that"

sometimes (most times) the one speck of common ground I could find with people is 'I like sex' LOL, it was a good fall back if people really were at that point where they hated eachother so much they couldn't communicate at all.

It's not easy to be graceful when you've got an ego like a rampaging rhino, I tell you what.

thats why you're getting all these carrots.

it comes from my training as a marriage counselor, they say "find one speck of common ground and build on that"

sometimes (most times) the one speck of common ground I could find with people is 'I like sex' LOL, it was a good fall back if people really were at that point where they hated eachother so much they couldn't communicate at all.

Sex: Bringing people together since the dawn of time :)

It's not easy to be graceful when you've got an ego like a rampaging rhino, I tell you what.

Couldn't tell...

Alien Born or maybe Eut :)

it comes from my training as a marriage counselor, they say "find one speck of common ground and build on that"

sometimes (most times) the one speck of common ground I could find with people is 'I like sex' LOL, it was a good fall back if people really were at that point where they hated eachother so much they couldn't communicate at all.

I might be reading too much into it... are you propositioning Bottle? :O

;)

I might be reading too much into it... are you propositioning Bottle? :O

;)

not consciously ........:eek: <---- okay that just looks wrong in this context

I dont keep a notebook of people that impress or disgust me in here.

One person that I cant forget that has consistantly earned my respect on several occasions is Grave n Idle. No petty bullshit there. And often opposes my viewpoint. Has often brought facts to the table I hadnt been aware of and made me re-evaluate my positions on things.
Without name calling and other stupidity.

Most others would earn my punching their face if we were in person.

With Grave n Idle, I'd be buying the next round.

Make it Jack and I'm in. :)

I was flicking through the thread - I couldn't think of many people I actually debate political issues with (I seem to gravitate more towards torturing people with religion, for preference... people whom I respect across THAT fence would have been a lot easier to come by). I was finding it hard to come up with a name that I actually expect 'more' from - and here you are. :)

So - my 'respected adversary' in the polical arena must be Carn. :)

not consciously ........:eek: <---- okay that just looks wrong in this context

The invisible man says "or ohhhh so right" :D

I think I've crossed terms with just about everyone here at one time or another. I've got to say, most of the regular posters are a good lot. I've only had one real argument degenerate into a flamewar - come to that, I can't remember who that was with...:confused:

I just hope the level of debate here stays as high as it is.

Hm. I like Vittos the City Sacker and Dissonant Cognition, but I'm not certain how opposed to me their views are...I'm thinking the reason I like them is because their views aren't too too opposed.



Member of the United Democratic Communist Party


The opposition is very strong. :D

I tend to view my political ideology as the necessary result of being a very strong one of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualist).

The opposition is very strong. :D

I tend to view my political ideology as the necessary result of being a very strong one of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualist).Lol. Well, yes, you are a stronger individualist than I, but the UDCP doesn't represent all of my views, just the majority of them.

Vetalia, but our views are starting to come closer and closer together as he loses his optimism about our energy future.

Probably whatever name Fass is using right now.

I respect everyone I cross words with tho I really cannot name any one with Opposed views since there are times where I will agree with one person in one thread and argue with them on another.

Make it Jack and I'm in. :)

I was flicking through the thread - I couldn't think of many people I actually debate political issues with (I seem to gravitate more towards torturing people with religion, for preference... people whom I respect across THAT fence would have been a lot easier to come by). I was finding it hard to come up with a name that I actually expect 'more' from - and here you are. :)

So - my 'respected adversary' in the polical arena must be Carn. :)

Jack it'll be,then. *salutes* ;)

Jack it'll be,then. *salutes* ;)

I am so there. :)

I tend to avoid the politics, because that seems the be the subject to be a troll in.

So, non-trollishness, a reasoned platform, a bit of civilisation... such things are appreciated. :)

The co-runners up would be Soheran and Jello Biafra. They are a like a two headed monster of infinite replies, with all of the replies being coherent and reasonable (even if they are also incorrect).

AnarchyeL would be my number one choice, as when I repeated pull posts and ideas straight out of my ass, he will reply with a disciplined, supported, and articulate answer. Plus he is a show off, and I am often impressed by intellectual show offs.


Honorable mention would be Dissonant Cognition. While we share a very similar set of values and would occupy a nearly identical spot on some political scales, we can come to rather opposing positions on some issues, and since he is one of the best posters on here, he gets a nomination.

I give Free Soviets a lot of respect as well, as he was pretty good before he gave up on the whole thing.

anyone who's able to let political differences (especially party politics) lie in normal discussions. can't think of anyone i've personally been desperately at odds with politically but i know i have very different economic opinions to smunkee and of course she is cool. and cluich is pretty funny when he's not fighting for eutrusca.

I really though Soheran was a woman. That's weird.

Soheran's my choice, as well. He doesn't denigrate me, even though we have fundamentally different views of the world.

A couple of months ago I would have chosen Sinehue.

Soheran for the most part -- about the only person who doesn't resort to ad-hominem attacks simply because you disagree with him (if he is indeed a he. <.<). Jello Biafra, although I only debate occasionally with him. The aforementioned are the only leftists here I garner much respect for. Dissonant Cognition although our views largely coincide on certain issues.

I can't say BAAWAKnights, Leonstein or Vittos because our views are near-identical.

For opposites, I'd have to say Deep Kimchi is one of the very few I actually respect.

*shakes head*

Bizarr-o world.

I don't respect anyone who isn't exactly the same as me.

I'd say Jello or Soheran.

For opposites, I'd have to say Deep Kimchi is one of the very few I actually respect.

*shakes head*

Bizarr-o world.

Deep Kinchi is actually a very good choice. I approve him as my own respected opposite as well.

*nods*

I just don't know anymore. At one time I might have said DK, but he finally went off in directions I just couldn't bring myself to respect any longer.

I give Free Soviets a lot of respect as well, as he was pretty good before he gave up on the whole thing.

Heh, you haven't seen smart anarchists burned out on internet arguments 'til you've seen "The Anarchist Collective" Myspace group. They've got the jaded, surly, potshot-taking down cold over there.

Heh, you haven't seen smart anarchists burned out on internet arguments 'til you've seen "The Anarchist Collective" Myspace group. They've got the jaded, surly, potshot-taking down cold over there.
I thought you're still an anarchist too.

how opposed do we need to get?

Up to you, but ideally someone who is the total or near total opposite of you in at least one area (whether it's social issues, economics, etc.).

You, actually. While i'm sure we would disagree on many things, I consider your views to be reasonable and certainly not worthy of emnity. Your posts never make me roll my eyes (which is certainly a good sign :p), and you demonstrate an actual understanding of ideologies that are different from your own (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11838490#post11838490), rather than simply resorting to preconceived and cliched notions - a sure sign of an intelligent mind. Plus, you generally seem like a pretty nice guy. :)

Wow...thanks a lot. I feel the same about you. :)

If ever we meet for real, it will be my honor to buy you a beer. Or two. Or three. :p

There are other righties, such as Congo-Kinshasa and Europa Maxima, but I don't find myself debating with them too often, though they also show promise.

*beams proudly* :D

sometimes (most times) the one speck of common ground I could find with people is 'I like sex' LOL, it was a good fall back if people really were at that point where they hated eachother so much they couldn't communicate at all.
*taking notes*

When in doubt, talk about sex. Gotcha.

:D

No, not "everybody."

People who count me as a friend have always been low in number, an exclusive, marginalized group looked upon by everyone else as abnormal.

Except here. I'm honestly mystified.

(And it's a "he.")

We've never talked - outside NS, I mean - but I consider you a friend.

Bushevite!

"Bushevite" sounds like some dodgy powder+hot water drink favoured by 50+ y.o. men in the building trade.

Havn't been here that long. But so far, Soviestan.

why thank you:) :fluffle:

I can never keep track of who I disagree with on what. So I love everybody!
I can never keep track of who I disagree with on what. So I am indifferent to everybody!*
*Except for those i detest and those that are worth keeping around.

Up to you, but ideally someone who is the total or near total opposite of you in at least one area (whether it's social issues, economics, etc.).

the problem is, is that the farther we get towards total opposites, the more likely it is that the person in question has openly called for genocide or torture or a general abandonment of reason.

i think this is probably why there is so much fighting between libertarians and free marketeers on the internet - at least we have a modicum of common ground to fight over.

I don't know of anyone here who has political views opposite mine... (What's opposite the center? The edge?) Even the people on my ignore list occasionally say things I agree with. :) But I try to respect everyone here equally.

I thought you're still an anarchist too.

i am. i just don't argue on here nearly as much (or as well) as i used to. i find it hard to remain interested in even my favorite topics when they come up these days. though we haven't had a good evolution fight in a while...